Re: [Gimp-user] Thank you developers, for your patience.
* Johannes anonfo...@gmx.org [01-01-70 12:34]: I can live with the new process, too. The only thing I am missing is to do the Exit (close without saving) step directly (after having overwritten the original BMP/JPEG/PNG/whatever). At the moment, Exit (close without saving) is a two-step step: Close - Close without saving Or is there a shortcut I am not aware of? altf4 -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Thank you developers, for your patience.
On Jul 2, 2012 9:21 PM, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote: I've been reading a lot of these down the nose developer vs user emails for what seems like a year now? And it strikes me how much this I guess is really a possible byproduct of open source development, though I think there are many OS packages, Red Hat, Ubuntu etc that are committed to customer satisfaction and retainment. But some of the things you say, Alexandre, you seem to have gotten a giant head from being like the sole spokesperson for Gimp. I'm sure it's a tiring and thankless role. Sure seems like it. I was just reading through this list and actually laughed out loud, considering if one called Adobe cust service department and they started out with: This is the core of your delusion. That's one of the things you get with paying for software, being treated like a person. Even if they are the evil empire and are all in it for the money. A lot of these lists have been about past users and keeping them vs. not. I'm pretty sure a lot of people have read this stuff and decided against. But like you said, that's ok too! Thank for the laughs. :) Dan s/person/customer Of course, I understand how some people actually like the world revolving around that, but open source is probably the greatest meritocracy existing today. It should stay that way, no matter how many snide emails detractors come up with. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Thank you developers, for your patience.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Daniel Smith wrote: I've been reading a lot of these down the nose developer vs user emails for what seems like a year now? And it strikes me how much this I guess is really a possible byproduct of open source development, though I think there are many OS packages, Red Hat, Ubuntu etc that are committed to customer satisfaction and retainment. But some of the things you say, Alexandre, you seem to have gotten a giant head from being like the sole spokesperson for Gimp. I'm sure it's a tiring and thankless role. Sure seems like it. I was just reading through this list and actually laughed out loud, considering if one called Adobe cust service department and they started out with: This is the core of your delusion. That's one of the things you get with paying for software, being treated like a person. Even if they are the evil empire and are all in it for the money. Well, first of all, I don't think I'm handling this extraordinarily well. So yes, there's room for improvement. OTOH, communication between vendors and users in commercial companies rarely smells of roses. So it's not all that typical for open source projects. What I've learned is that no matter how patiently you explain things or how carefully you choose words, someone somewhere will always get things utterly wrong, overreact and annoy. Over last two months I've heard quite a few amazing misconceptions with I’m sorry to say this, but it smells like “let’s force our users into our internal format nobody was really using”. being an obvious winner in the humour contest and I hope the XCF format dies getting a well-deserved 2nd place. (For the record, we've always been against the use of XCF by 3rd party apps, and Adobe takes the same position with regards to PSD. Also, we too want the existing XCF to die, just for different reasons.) Finally, what you are percieving as down the nose emails are basically attempts to bring some sense into the discussion that isn't supposed to be happening anyway, given the already explained status quo, which is: we will neither revert, nor make it optional. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Why I went back from GIMP 2.8 to 2.6.x
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 02:17:04 +0200 From: for...@gimpusers.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org CC: t...@gimpusers.com Subject: [Gimp-user] Why I went back from GIMP 2.8 to 2.6.x Why I switched back to 2.6: Sliders- too weird for digital painting with a tablet. I would like more visual feedback perhaps, like changing the color of the actual bar, or something more obvious. Still, it's tough to quickly just do what you need. Other options: shift or ctrl drag for fine tuning, or just slow it down once it gets below a user set size. I also really miss simple checkboxes for tablet dynamics, much quicker than a menu of presets. Personally I love everything else, but these two things are a bigger part of mt digital painting workflow than the rest, so 2.6 is back. 1 - The only weird part about the sliders (to me) is how dragging along the upper half adjusts the value along the slider's whole range, while dragging along the bottom half adjusts relative to the current value. That definitely takes getting used to. 2 - Indeed, brush dynamics are not as easy to adjust in 2.8 as they were in 2.6 :( You can hit the Edit button, unfortunately now that dynamics are made into their own resource type this means you can't just edit them any time you want, you have to Duplicate one of them before you will have a customizable dynamics matrix. Smooth sailing once you do that, though. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Thank you developers, for your patience.
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 18:18:00 +0400 From: alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Thank you developers, for your patience. ...the discussion that isn't supposed to be happening anyway, given the already explained status quo, which is: we will neither revert, nor make it optional. The not make it an option part is the part I just don't get. Don't bother explaining, I just ... don't ... get it. (Or maybe I do and just fundamentally disagree.) -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Thank you developers, for your patience.
On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 06:18:00PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: [...] What I've learned is that no matter how patiently you explain things or how carefully you choose words, someone somewhere will always get things utterly wrong, overreact and annoy. Yes that is a fact. Just accept it. Stop feeding trolls. GIMP is improving everyday and I really like how it is improving. -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Tips for digitising/tracing image with GIMP?
Sounds like using a vector based graphics application would be better. I will bring this question to the Inkscape folks. Thank you for your replies! -- View this message in context: http://gimp.1065349.n5.nabble.com/Tips-for-digitising-tracing-image-with-GIMP-tp33261p34174.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Paste single image in new doc pastes multiple times
When I cut, and copy an image to the clipboard and then paste the image into a new, blank page, it pastes the image multiple times (about 20) on the one page. How can I revert to it pasting just one image? Thank you for your help! Sent from my iPad ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] correct reference for the Gimp ?
Sorry for the silly question, but... I'm using the Gimp quite heavily in my Ph. D. thesis redaction. I wish to reference it in the bibliography, as it should be. What is the correct/proper way of doing that ? Thanks in advance. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Paste single image in new doc pastes multiple times
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Jean Adelmann wrote: When I cut, and copy an image to the clipboard and then paste the image into a new, blank page, it pastes the image multiple times (about 20) on the one page. How can I revert to it pasting just one image? Thank you for your help! That shouldn't happen. Version of GIMP? Operating system and its version? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Editing Problem
Hi Akmahl, On 01 Jul 12 13:21 Akmahl Kalkalash akmahl.kalkal...@gmail.com said: The screenshots should help to understand. I have GIMP 2.6 on Windows 7. GIMP wont allow me to move anything around in the darker area of this image Trouble is your images don't indicate what layers are present, how many are visible, which layer is selected or whether any of them have been dragged away from the canvass. This looks like a case of multiple layers, one of which has been dragged off the canvass and an inappropriate layer is selected. Greg Chapman http://www.gregtutor.plus.com Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Editing Problem
Nope. If you play around with the attached file, you'll see that GIMP uses alpha channel to decide which layer to pick. If the value of alpha is less than 64, it will pick the layer below, if it's 64 or more, GIMP will pick the current layer. This being the case, perhaps the best thing to do would be, in the tool options for the move tool, to select move the active layer. Then you can move the layer from any point. Isabel ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problems with Gimp on Ubuntu
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:28 AM, beelissa wrote: Recently, I noticed that at least 2 features suddenly don't work (I say at least because there might be more that I'm just not aware of). These features are rotating a layer and making a drop shadow. And would you like to tell us what exactly happens whe you try to use those features? And how you use them? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org I use them the way I've always used them, by selecting the layer and -- for the rotate, selecting the rotate tool in the toolbar and clicking, then either using the slider or changing the angle value. For drop shadow, selecting that option from the Filters menu and putting in the values in the dialog box. For each of them, now, what happens is -- nothing. The layer is exactly the same -- not rotated, no shadow, nothing happens. No error message, no change, nothing. To clarify, I'm trying to apply each separately, not at the same time. It just seems to have happened suddenly that both no longer work. Could you please check if other transformation tools such a perspective work? Any other scripts, e.g. Xach-effect from the same submenu? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] how to preserve semi-transparency when converting to indexed
On 02.07.2012 02:49, temp-user wrote: I used to convert them to indexed so their size would be reduced. Since I installed a new version, the semi-transparency is cut off and I have just plain black on transparent background as if there were no antialiasing, very ugly. I too used to use the ability to create indexed color pngs with semi-ransparent pixels. this ability seems to have been either removed, lost or broken in the more recent release of gimp. the png format can support it but it looks like gimp just does indexed color conversion in a very GIF-like way. GIMP has no support for this - there's an ancient bug report about allowing real alpha channels in indexed files, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86627 The PNG plug-in should load the alpha channel from an indexed PNG file, but you'll have to et the mode to RGB in order to make use of it. HTH, Michael ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] not very much GIMP related, but... need help, dear Devs!
On 12-06-30 12:35 PM, Nik Omul wrote: When I used for a very short while 2.7 and 2.8 rc1 versions of GIMP on my Win7 64 system, I'd noticed a /Edit with GIMP/ line in the file context menu (note for dummies like myself - that is when you right-click on an image file). I don't remember which version it was. [snip] My request to the Devs is, could somebody, please, point out the file(s) in GIMP file system responsible for that feature? It'd be much much appreciated. That sounds to me like an issue for the Windows installer of GIMP. If the Windows installer for GIMP didn't set file associations, or ask if you wanted them set, you can do it yourself. IIRC, the procedure is right click an image, select Open With, select program (ie. GIMP), and click something to say always use the program with that file type. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful! #include disclaimer/favourite | --Chris Hardwick ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] correct reference for the Gimp ?
On 12-06-26 05:12 PM, Lyerra wrote: Sorry for the silly question, but... I'm using the Gimp quite heavily in my Ph. D. thesis redaction. I wish to reference it in the bibliography, as it should be. What is the correct/proper way of doing that ? I would suggest you check with your staff adviser to find out what they want to see. A good start would be to refer to the program as GIMP. :-) A link to GIMP's website would be a good idea along with the number of the version of GIMP you are using. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful! #include disclaimer/favourite | --Chris Hardwick ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] correct reference for the Gimp ?
On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:12 -0400, Lyerra wrote: Sorry for the silly question, but... I'm using the Gimp quite heavily in my Ph. D. thesis redaction. I wish to reference it in the bibliography, as it should be. What is the correct/proper way of doing that ? Thanks in advance. Depends on your subject area - e.g. MLA has guidelines to referring to Web sites in references, and you tend to see something like, [GIMP12] GIMP image editor http://www.gimp.org/ accessed July 2012 Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] correct reference for the Gimp ?
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 18:47 -0400, Lyerra wrote: I do not wish to refer to the website (although the reference will contain the website but that is a detail), but to the authors. You'd have an awfully long reference if you named all the contributors. I'd suggest something like, All who contributed towards the GIMP libre software image editing program. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
