Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Ofnuts]

On 05/13/18 19:12, Michael Schumacher wrote:

On 05/13/2018 06:54 PM, Ofnuts wrote:


Another reason is that it is not in Windows users' mentality (and
perhaps in non-programmers' mentality) to report bugs... Consider things
broken and abandon silently, often, whine in forums, sometimes, but
report bugs, never.  And it's not only with Gimp... Maybe we should find
a middle ground between the useless "It's broken, fix it" and the
intimidating formality of the bug report on Bugzilla.

You mean "people", not "Windows users". Being able to describe anything
in a way that is easy to understand is an acquired skill.

The middle ground is already there - there are regulars on every list
and forum with experience in the tools involved, and they can make it
their task to convert "it is broken!"-type message into useful bug
reports, or refer to existing ones.


A recent example would be

https://old.reddit.com/r/GIMP/comments/8ixiij/annoying_bugs_in_2100_with_selection_tools/

which resulted in the following two new bug reports:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796071
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796073


Also that one: 
https://www.gimp-forum.net/Thread-Text-Along-Path-Problem--1988


that became: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796021

Still, a rather small team of regulars.

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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Michael Schumacher]

On 05/13/2018 06:54 PM, Ofnuts wrote:

> Another reason is that it is not in Windows users' mentality (and
> perhaps in non-programmers' mentality) to report bugs... Consider things
> broken and abandon silently, often, whine in forums, sometimes, but
> report bugs, never.  And it's not only with Gimp... Maybe we should find
> a middle ground between the useless "It's broken, fix it" and the
> intimidating formality of the bug report on Bugzilla.

You mean "people", not "Windows users". Being able to describe anything
in a way that is easy to understand is an acquired skill.

The middle ground is already there - there are regulars on every list
and forum with experience in the tools involved, and they can make it
their task to convert "it is broken!"-type message into useful bug
reports, or refer to existing ones.


A recent example would be

https://old.reddit.com/r/GIMP/comments/8ixiij/annoying_bugs_in_2100_with_selection_tools/

which resulted in the following two new bug reports:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796071
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796073


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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Ofnuts]

On 05/11/18 16:35, Kevin Payne wrote:

On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote:


Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on
Windows, only specific to Windows?

Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't
detected by various people running GIMP-2.9/GIMP-2.10-rc/GIMP-2.10 on
Linux?

I'd suggest that one of the reasons is the relative lack of availability of 
executables during the 2.9 development 
phase - self compilation not 
really being an option on Windows.


Another reason is that it is not in Windows users' mentality (and 
perhaps in non-programmers' mentality) to report bugs... Consider things 
broken and abandon silently, often, whine in forums, sometimes, but 
report bugs, never.  And it's not only with Gimp... Maybe we should find 
a middle ground between the useless "It's broken, fix it" and the 
intimidating formality of the bug report on Bugzilla.

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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Kevin Payne]

On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote:

> Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on
> Windows, only specific to Windows?
>
> Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't
> detected by various people running GIMP-2.9/GIMP-2.10-rc/GIMP-2.10 on
> Linux?

I'd suggest that one of the reasons is the relative lack of availability of 
executables during the 2.9 development 
phase - self compilation not 
really being an option on Windows.

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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Kevin Payne]

>That would explain a lot. Though people do manage to compile GIMP on
>Windows, it's apparently not easy to do.

>Partha's 2.9/2.10 builds for Windows have been available for a long time
>(https://www.partha.com/), without giving rise to nearly so many bug
>reports as the official release of 2.10. But maybe most Windows users
>don't know about Partha's builds.

The problem with Partha's builds is that he changes things to suit himself and 
therefore it's not a reliable reference for creating bug-reports against.

A case in point is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795855 which 
apparently Partha's build isn't suffering from: 
https://www.gimp-forum.net/Thread-opening-from-and-saving-to-local-folders?pid=8074#pid8074

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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Jason Armstrong]

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* Elle Stone <ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com> [05-11-18 11:29]:
> On 05/11/2018 10:36 AM, Tom Williams wrote:
> >On 05/11/2018 07:24 AM, Elle Stone wrote:
>
> >>I have no clue whether more people use GIMP on Windows than on Linux.
> >>But either way my questions remain:
> >>
> >>Are most of these "post release of 2.10" bug reports specific to GIMP
> >>on Windows? or do they also affect GIMP on Linux?
> >>
> >>Was there such an influx of Windows(-only?) bug reports for 2.8,
> >>compared to 2.10?
>
> >My initial reaction to the GIMP 2.10 bugs on Windows vs Linux is:  have
> >many Linux distros started offering GIMP 2.10 as an upgrade/update?   I
> >run Mint 18.3, on my laptop, and GIMP 2.10 isn't available as an update,
> >yet.  I don't have the time to try updating GIMP manually, so I wait for
> >the distribution to update the software for me.  Now that I think about
> >it, my mom's Ubuntu 16.04 system hasn't received a GIMP 2.10 update either.
> >
> >Maybe as the distros start making GIMP 2.10 available, more Linux users
> >will use it.  I'm just thinking out loud.  :)
>
> OK, that makes sense. Maybe a flood of bug reports from Linux users will
> come in when/as GIMP-2.10 is included in more Linux distributions.

it is available on openSUSE Tumbleweed and I have it installed.  for the
small uses I have made, it loads quicker than 2.8 and appears more
responsive.  no crashes.  some difficulty finding some actions, but
nothing major.

appears a good job was done.

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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Liam R E Quin]

On Fri, 2018-05-11 at 14:32 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> 
> it is available on openSUSE Tumbleweed and I have it installed.  for
> the
> small uses I have made, it loads quicker than 2.8 and appears more
> responsive.  no crashes.  some difficulty finding some actions, but
> nothing major.

Cool. The / command helps to find things.

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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Elle Stone  [05-11-18 11:29]:
> On 05/11/2018 10:36 AM, Tom Williams wrote:
> >On 05/11/2018 07:24 AM, Elle Stone wrote:
> 
> >>I have no clue whether more people use GIMP on Windows than on Linux.
> >>But either way my questions remain:
> >>
> >>Are most of these "post release of 2.10" bug reports specific to GIMP
> >>on Windows? or do they also affect GIMP on Linux?
> >>
> >>Was there such an influx of Windows(-only?) bug reports for 2.8,
> >>compared to 2.10?
> 
> >My initial reaction to the GIMP 2.10 bugs on Windows vs Linux is:  have
> >many Linux distros started offering GIMP 2.10 as an upgrade/update?   I
> >run Mint 18.3, on my laptop, and GIMP 2.10 isn't available as an update,
> >yet.  I don't have the time to try updating GIMP manually, so I wait for
> >the distribution to update the software for me.  Now that I think about
> >it, my mom's Ubuntu 16.04 system hasn't received a GIMP 2.10 update either.
> >
> >Maybe as the distros start making GIMP 2.10 available, more Linux users
> >will use it.  I'm just thinking out loud.  :)
> 
> OK, that makes sense. Maybe a flood of bug reports from Linux users will
> come in when/as GIMP-2.10 is included in more Linux distributions.

it is available on openSUSE Tumbleweed and I have it installed.  for the
small uses I have made, it loads quicker than 2.8 and appears more
responsive.  no crashes.  some difficulty finding some actions, but
nothing major.

appears a good job was done.

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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Elle Stone]

On 05/11/2018 10:36 AM, Tom Williams wrote:

On 05/11/2018 07:24 AM, Elle Stone wrote:



I have no clue whether more people use GIMP on Windows than on Linux.
But either way my questions remain:

Are most of these "post release of 2.10" bug reports specific to GIMP
on Windows? or do they also affect GIMP on Linux?

Was there such an influx of Windows(-only?) bug reports for 2.8,
compared to 2.10?



My initial reaction to the GIMP 2.10 bugs on Windows vs Linux is:  have
many Linux distros started offering GIMP 2.10 as an upgrade/update?   I
run Mint 18.3, on my laptop, and GIMP 2.10 isn't available as an update,
yet.  I don't have the time to try updating GIMP manually, so I wait for
the distribution to update the software for me.  Now that I think about
it, my mom's Ubuntu 16.04 system hasn't received a GIMP 2.10 update either.

Maybe as the distros start making GIMP 2.10 available, more Linux users
will use it.  I'm just thinking out loud.  :)


OK, that makes sense. Maybe a flood of bug reports from Linux users will 
come in when/as GIMP-2.10 is included in more Linux distributions.


Best,
Elle
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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Elle Stone]

On 05/11/2018 10:35 AM, Kevin Payne wrote:

On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote:


Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on
Windows, only specific to Windows?

Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't
detected by various people running GIMP-2.9/GIMP-2.10-rc/GIMP-2.10 on
Linux?


I'd suggest that one of the reasons is the relative lack of availability of 
executables during the 2.9 development 
phase - self compilation not 
really being an option on Windows.




That would explain a lot. Though people do manage to compile GIMP on 
Windows, it's apparently not easy to do.


Partha's 2.9/2.10 builds for Windows have been available for a long time 
(https://www.partha.com/), without giving rise to nearly so many bug 
reports as the official release of 2.10. But maybe most Windows users 
don't know about Partha's builds.


Best,
Elle
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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Tom Williams]

On 05/11/2018 07:24 AM, Elle Stone wrote:
> On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote:
>
>> Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on
>> Windows, only specific to Windows?
>>
>> Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't
>> detected by various people running GIMP-2.9/GIMP-2.10-rc/GIMP-2.10 on
>> Linux?
>
> Someone sent me a private email in response to my list post,
> suggesting that more people use Windows, than use GIMP (I don't know
> if that person actually intended to send a private email or not, so
> I'm not quoting).
>
> I have no clue whether more people use GIMP on Windows than on Linux.
> But either way my questions remain:
>
> Are most of these "post release of 2.10" bug reports specific to GIMP
> on Windows? or do they also affect GIMP on Linux?
>
> Was there such an influx of Windows(-only?) bug reports for 2.8,
> compared to 2.10?
>
> Best regards,
>
My initial reaction to the GIMP 2.10 bugs on Windows vs Linux is:  have
many Linux distros started offering GIMP 2.10 as an upgrade/update?   I
run Mint 18.3, on my laptop, and GIMP 2.10 isn't available as an update,
yet.  I don't have the time to try updating GIMP manually, so I wait for
the distribution to update the software for me.  Now that I think about
it, my mom's Ubuntu 16.04 system hasn't received a GIMP 2.10 update either.

Maybe as the distros start making GIMP 2.10 available, more Linux users
will use it.  I'm just thinking out loud.  :)

Peace...

Tom

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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

[Elle Stone]

On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote:

Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on 
Windows, only specific to Windows?


Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't 
detected by various people running GIMP-2.9/GIMP-2.10-rc/GIMP-2.10 on 
Linux?


Someone sent me a private email in response to my list post, suggesting 
that more people use Windows, than use GIMP (I don't know if that person 
actually intended to send a private email or not, so I'm not quoting).


I have no clue whether more people use GIMP on Windows than on Linux. 
But either way my questions remain:


Are most of these "post release of 2.10" bug reports specific to GIMP on 
Windows? or do they also affect GIMP on Linux?


Was there such an influx of Windows(-only?) bug reports for 2.8, 
compared to 2.10?


Best regards,

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