[Gimp-user] Export as PDF all messed up

[BillieSnow]

>GIMP 2.10.14
>OS WIN 10
>
>Issues when exporting XCF as PDF PDF is all messed up
>Installed and reinstalled GIMP 2.10.14 twice ... same issue 
>Installed GIMP on another computer WIN 7  same issue
>
>Any ideas?
>

I think I figured out the issue. 
In 2.10.14 I edited an XCF that I had originally created in 2.10.12
When exporting as PDF it was all messed up.
I created the XCF in 2.10.14 and all was fine.
So, at least for me, I can't use XCFs originally created in 2.10.12

Thanks for your replies, and your help.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Export as PDF all messed up

[Liam R E Quin]

On Fri, 2020-01-17 at 19:54 +0100, BillieSnow wrote:
> GIMP 2.10.14
> OS WIN 10
> 
> Issues when exporting XCF as PDF PDF is all messed up
> Installed and reinstalled GIMP 2.10.14 twice ... same issue 
> Installed GIMP on another computer WIN 7  same issue
> 
> Any ideas?

We have a known bug: fonts installed per-user are not visible to the
gimp pdf ecport plugin - the plugin can only see system fonts installed
for all users.

I don't know if that's what's affecting you.

The way fonts are managed changed in some subtle ways for Windows 10.

I am not sure if this helps - can you install your fonts in the system
folder instead?? I am not a Windows user.

Liam (slave ankh)


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Re: [Gimp-user] Export as PDF all messed up

[Rick Strong]

Hard to say why the cover text is so small in the PDF.
Was the text layered above or below the photograph?
Are the text and the photo at two different resolutions? Could the photo be 
interfering with the type?

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Rick S.


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From: BillieSnow

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Subject: [Gimp-user] Export as PDF all messed up

GIMP 2.10.14
OS WIN 10

Issues when exporting XCF as PDF PDF is all messed up
Installed and reinstalled GIMP 2.10.14 twice ... same issue
Installed GIMP on another computer WIN 7  same issue

Any ideas?

(Sorry posted incorrect PDF on previous message)


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https://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/1342/original/BOOK_6_Paperback_Cover_PDF_ERROR.pdf


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[Gimp-user] Export as PDF all messed up

[BillieSnow]

GIMP 2.10.14
OS WIN 10

Issues when exporting XCF as PDF PDF is all messed up
Installed and reinstalled GIMP 2.10.14 twice ... same issue 
Installed GIMP on another computer WIN 7  same issue

Any ideas?

(Sorry posted incorrect PDF on previous message)


Attachments:
* 
https://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/1341/original/BOOK_6_Paperback_Cover_PNG.png
* 
https://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/1342/original/BOOK_6_Paperback_Cover_PDF_ERROR.pdf

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[Gimp-user] Export as PDF All Messed Up

[BillieSnow]

GIMP 2.10.14
OS WIN 10

Issues when exporting XCF as PDF
PDF is all messed up
Installed and reinstalled GIMP 2.10.14 twice ... same issue
Installed GIMP on another computer WIN 7  same issue

Any ideas?

Attachments:
* 
https://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/1339/original/BOOK_6_Paperback_Cover_Image.png
* 
https://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/1340/original/BOOK_6_Paperback_Cover.pdf

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Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Konrad Bauersachs]

Hi Dwain,

my only intention for printing was to have a "first sight" on a printout 
of my script to make layout corretions,
not to get a first-class product on high qualitiy paper. (not on a 115g 
/ m² paper :-)
I told my printer beforehand what I'm  wanting but he finally surprised 
me with with an exorbital price.

But at least I negotiated and paid for the low-price-version.

I just wrote to the forum to inform others that choosing "automatic" 
text may cause unexpeted high-end-costs


Have a fine day!

Konrad

Am 19.05.2019 um 16:34 schrieb Dwain Alford:

hi konrad,
2 euros a page for a manuscript isn't so bad. what would the price 
have been if the printer used four colors instead of one? were there 
any color images (photos, graphs, etc)? if there were color images as 
well as text set to black, then the color increased the price and also 
caused a double print session, one (plate) for the color and one 
(plate) for the text. btw, did you ask for an estimate on the cost of 
the job when you took the manuscript to the printer? finally, in most 
software, the text color default is automatic. maybe you might want to 
check your text color settings before your next printing job and get 
an estimate before the job is printed. that way, there are no 
surprises on your end.


scribus sets the output to cmyk when you set the color tab in the pdf 
export to print. the screen / web is for screen use or printing with 
an inkjet printer. as i mentioned to uwe, your commercial printer will 
help you if you ask. it is to the their benefit to help you work 
within their workflow.


cheers,
dwain

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:25 AM Konrad Bauersachs 
mailto:konrad.bauersa...@t-online.de>> 
wrote:


Hi Uwe,

I am not familiar with Scribus. But if you create a pdf  there
could be
a problem:
Please take care that the text in your script is marked "black"
and NOT
"automatically".
If text is "black" only the black toner / ink is used.
"Automatically"
means that
black is mixed together with cmyk. I almost had a heart attack
when my
copy-shop
demanded about 200 Euros for  a pdf text-manuscript of 400 pages.

Best regards

Konrad


Am 12.05.2019 um 23:26 schrieb Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list:
> uwe, et. al.,
> one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more
> proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to
subscribe to
> the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users
along with
> the developers ready to help resolve design problems with
accurate how-to
> information, just like on this list.
>
> best,
> dwain
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski
mailto:uwesassnow...@web.de>> wrote:
>
>> Hello Jehan and Dwain,
>>
>> I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this makes
realy
>> sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had
some program
>> crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first steps
:)) and
>> some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it is
easy to
>> handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct program
to make our
>> print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy good.
It will
>> take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp. I
hope that
>> our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling,
they are
>> professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you
again! Nice to
>> have such professional help!
>>
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Uwe
>> Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:
>>
>> john and uwe,
>> here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based
>> program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which
produces
>> "smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that
handles the job of
>> combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat
package that a
>> good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your
design.
>>
>> scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that
is "print
>> ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw
driver to try
>> and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate
tool for the
>> job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page,
inkscape is a
>> better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a
good program
>> to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow
you to import
>> text from an open document format (open office or libreoffice);
it will
>> also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic)
image or an
>> adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain
illy files
>> after illustrator 9 will not import. but be 

Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Archeo]

Am 19.05.2019 um 19:18 schrieb Konrad Bauersachs:


Hi Dwain,

my only intention for printing was to have a "first sight" on a 
printout of my script to make layout corretions,
not to get a first-class product on high qualitiy paper. (not on a 
115g / m² paper :-)
I told my printer beforehand what I'm  wanting but he finally 
surprised me with with an exorbital price.

But at least I negotiated and paid for the low-price-version.

I just wrote to the forum to inform others that choosing "automatic" 
text may cause unexpeted high-end-costs


Have a fine day!

Konrad

Am 19.05.2019 um 16:34 schrieb Dwain Alford:

hi konrad,
2 euros a page for a manuscript isn't so bad. what would the price 
have been if the printer used four colors instead of one? were there 
any color images (photos, graphs, etc)? if there were color images as 
well as text set to black, then the color increased the price and 
also caused a double print session, one (plate) for the color and one 
(plate) for the text. btw, did you ask for an estimate on the cost of 
the job when you took the manuscript to the printer? finally, in most 
software, the text color default is automatic. maybe you might want 
to check your text color settings before your next printing job and 
get an estimate before the job is printed. that way, there are no 
surprises on your end.


scribus sets the output to cmyk when you set the color tab in the pdf 
export to print. the screen / web is for screen use or printing with 
an inkjet printer. as i mentioned to uwe, your commercial printer 
will help you if you ask. it is to the their benefit to help you work 
within their workflow.


cheers,
dwain

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:25 AM Konrad Bauersachs 
> wrote:


Hi Uwe,

I am not familiar with Scribus. But if you create a pdf there
could be
a problem:
Please take care that the text in your script is marked "black"
and NOT
"automatically".
If text is "black" only the black toner / ink is used.
"Automatically"
means that
black is mixed together with cmyk. I almost had a heart attack
when my
copy-shop
demanded about 200 Euros for  a pdf text-manuscript of 400 pages.

Best regards

Konrad


Am 12.05.2019 um 23:26 schrieb Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list:
> uwe, et. al.,
> one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more
> proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to
subscribe to
> the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users
along with
> the developers ready to help resolve design problems with
accurate how-to
> information, just like on this list.
>
> best,
> dwain
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski
mailto:uwesassnow...@web.de>> wrote:
>
>> Hello Jehan and Dwain,
>>
>> I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this
makes realy
>> sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had
some program
>> crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first
steps :)) and
>> some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it
is easy to
>> handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct
program to make our
>> print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy
good. It will
>> take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp.
I hope that
>> our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling,
they are
>> professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you
again! Nice to
>> have such professional help!
>>
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Uwe
>> Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:
>>
>> john and uwe,
>> here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel)
based
>> program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program
which produces
>> "smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that
handles the job of
>> combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat
package that a
>> good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your
design.
>>
>> scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that
is "print
>> ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw
driver to try
>> and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate
tool for the
>> job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page,
inkscape is a
>> better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a
good program
>> to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow
you to import
>> text from an open document format (open office or
libreoffice); it will
>> also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic)
image or an
>> adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain
illy 

Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list]

hi konrad,
2 euros a page for a manuscript isn't so bad. what would the price have
been if the printer used four colors instead of one? were there any color
images (photos, graphs, etc)? if there were color images as well as text
set to black, then the color increased the price and also caused a double
print session, one (plate) for the color and one (plate) for the text. btw,
did you ask for an estimate on the cost of the job when you took the
manuscript to the printer? finally, in most software, the text color
default is automatic. maybe you might want to check your text color
settings before your next printing job and get an estimate before the job
is printed. that way, there are no surprises on your end.

scribus sets the output to cmyk when you set the color tab in the pdf
export to print. the screen / web is for screen use or printing with an
inkjet printer. as i mentioned to uwe, your commercial printer will help
you if you ask. it is to the their benefit to help you work within their
workflow.

cheers,
dwain

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:25 AM Konrad Bauersachs <
konrad.bauersa...@t-online.de> wrote:

> Hi Uwe,
>
> I am not familiar with Scribus. But if you create a pdf  there could be
> a problem:
> Please take care that the text in your script is marked "black" and NOT
> "automatically".
> If text is "black" only the black toner / ink is used. "Automatically"
> means that
> black is mixed together with cmyk. I almost had a heart attack when my
> copy-shop
> demanded about 200 Euros for  a pdf text-manuscript of 400 pages.
>
> Best regards
>
> Konrad
>
>
> Am 12.05.2019 um 23:26 schrieb Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list:
> > uwe, et. al.,
> > one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more
> > proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to subscribe
> to
> > the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users along
> with
> > the developers ready to help resolve design problems with accurate how-to
> > information, just like on this list.
> >
> > best,
> > dwain
> >
> > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Jehan and Dwain,
> >>
> >> I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this makes realy
> >> sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had some
> program
> >> crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first steps :)) and
> >> some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it is easy to
> >> handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct program to make
> our
> >> print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy good. It will
> >> take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp. I hope
> that
> >> our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling, they are
> >> professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you again! Nice to
> >> have such professional help!
> >>
> >>
> >> With best regards,
> >> Uwe
> >> Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:
> >>
> >> john and uwe,
> >> here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based
> >> program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which produces
> >> "smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that handles the
> job of
> >> combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat package
> that a
> >> good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your design.
> >>
> >> scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that is "print
> >> ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw driver to
> try
> >> and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate tool for
> the
> >> job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page, inkscape
> is a
> >> better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a good
> program
> >> to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow you to
> import
> >> text from an open document format (open office or libreoffice); it will
> >> also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic) image or an
> >> adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain illy files
> >> after illustrator 9 will not import. but be not dismayed, illustrator
> will
> >> convert your image to the .svg format for importation.
> >>
> >> for my work flow, i use a raster editor (gimp, photoshop, etc.) to size,
> >> color correct, etc. photographs; i use a vector editor (inkscape,
> >> illustrator, corel draw, etc.) to produce and size vector drawings and
> >> usually export to the .tif format (tif files contain more information
> than
> >> jpeg or png files - most commercial print shops prefer tif files for
> this
> >> reason); and i use a page layout program (scribus, indesign, quark
> express,
> >> etc.) to put the design elements together for the purpose of producing a
> >> print ready pdf file that produces a quality finished product.
> >>
> >> i need to mention that "properly" sizing a raster image is most
> important.
> >> most commercial printers 

Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Konrad Bauersachs]

Hi Uwe,

I am not familiar with Scribus. But if you create a pdf  there could be 
a problem:
Please take care that the text in your script is marked "black" and NOT 
"automatically".
If text is "black" only the black toner / ink is used. "Automatically" 
means that
black is mixed together with cmyk. I almost had a heart attack when my 
copy-shop

demanded about 200 Euros for  a pdf text-manuscript of 400 pages.

Best regards

Konrad


Am 12.05.2019 um 23:26 schrieb Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list:

uwe, et. al.,
one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more
proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to subscribe to
the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users along with
the developers ready to help resolve design problems with accurate how-to
information, just like on this list.

best,
dwain

On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski  wrote:


Hello Jehan and Dwain,

I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this makes realy
sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had some program
crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first steps :)) and
some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it is easy to
handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct program to make our
print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy good. It will
take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp. I hope that
our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling, they are
professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you again! Nice to
have such professional help!


With best regards,
Uwe
Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:

john and uwe,
here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based
program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which produces
"smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that handles the job of
combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat package that a
good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your design.

scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that is "print
ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw driver to try
and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate tool for the
job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page, inkscape is a
better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a good program
to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow you to import
text from an open document format (open office or libreoffice); it will
also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic) image or an
adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain illy files
after illustrator 9 will not import. but be not dismayed, illustrator will
convert your image to the .svg format for importation.

for my work flow, i use a raster editor (gimp, photoshop, etc.) to size,
color correct, etc. photographs; i use a vector editor (inkscape,
illustrator, corel draw, etc.) to produce and size vector drawings and
usually export to the .tif format (tif files contain more information than
jpeg or png files - most commercial print shops prefer tif files for this
reason); and i use a page layout program (scribus, indesign, quark express,
etc.) to put the design elements together for the purpose of producing a
print ready pdf file that produces a quality finished product.

i need to mention that "properly" sizing a raster image is most important.
most commercial printers use a certain image resolution for different types
of paper and the "use" of the image. for instance, a fine art print would
be printed at 175 dpi while a newsprint image would be printed at 75-80
dpi. all this depends on the paper used for the job. i usually use 300 dpi
for raster images and size the image according to the size i want to
produce on the page. most vector images are either 300 or 600 dpi,
depending on the program i use to produce them.

scribus will allow you to draw a container for an image and the program
can size a large or small image to the container, but a 72 dpi image
enlarged by this process will produce an ugly final image on the paper.
there are some commercial printers that cannot print a scribus pdf file.
since adobe is the "industry standard" software they calibrate their
printers to adobe. small print shops use corel draw as their standard
software. in this case, you can provide a native file with accompanying
fonts in the file for printing. for most jobs where i use corel draw, i
will convert text to curves so i don't have to provide fonts to the
printer. and don't assume a printer knows how to print from a pdf. i have
run across one that didn't understand that he didn't have to import my pdf
into draw to print it. i guess he didn't know he could print from a pdf
viewer to his chosen printer. but i digress. a page layout program is also
a type setter. you can kern letters and paragraphs for "readability". 

Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Ofnuts]

You are using the wrong tool, Gimp is only a raster graphics editor. If
you have a lot of text, use a typesetting application such as Scribus,
and keep Gimp to edit the images. Then the PDF/PS from Scribus will keep
the text information.

On 5/3/19 2:56 PM, Uwe Sassnowski wrote:

Hello,
I designed a brochure in gimp with several picture and text levels / layers. 
Then I combined all pictures and texts to one layer and exported it to pdf. I 
sent the pdf to the printing company for printing. The print was not in a 
perfect quality. The printing company told us that they normally get pdf's from 
their clients where they can make changes to improve the quality. I tried to 
export to pdf without combining all layers. But then all texts are changed in 
format. I can create pictures from the text layers. But then I and the printing 
company cannot go into the text anymore. Is there a way to export to pdf all 
single pictures and texts without combining all layers so that the printing 
company can touch all pictures and texts and to reach a higher quality print?


With best regards,
Uwe
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[Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Uwe Sassnowski]

Hello,
I designed a brochure in gimp with several picture and text levels / layers. 
Then I combined all pictures and texts to one layer and exported it to pdf. I 
sent the pdf to the printing company for printing. The print was not in a 
perfect quality. The printing company told us that they normally get pdf's from 
their clients where they can make changes to improve the quality. I tried to 
export to pdf without combining all layers. But then all texts are changed in 
format. I can create pictures from the text layers. But then I and the printing 
company cannot go into the text anymore. Is there a way to export to pdf all 
single pictures and texts without combining all layers so that the printing 
company can touch all pictures and texts and to reach a higher quality print?


With best regards,
Uwe
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Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list]

uwe, et. al.,
one final thought. your commercial printer can help you work more
proficiently with them, all you have to do is ask. be sure to subscribe to
the scribus mailing list. there is an active community of users along with
the developers ready to help resolve design problems with accurate how-to
information, just like on this list.

best,
dwain

On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:36 PM Uwe Saßnowski  wrote:

> Hello Jehan and Dwain,
>
> I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this makes realy
> sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had some program
> crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first steps :)) and
> some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it is easy to
> handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct program to make our
> print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy good. It will
> take some time to be on the same point where I was with gimp. I hope that
> our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good feeling, they are
> professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank you again! Nice to
> have such professional help!
>
>
> With best regards,
> Uwe
> Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:
>
> john and uwe,
> here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based
> program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which produces
> "smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that handles the job of
> combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat package that a
> good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your design.
>
> scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that is "print
> ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw driver to try
> and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate tool for the
> job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page, inkscape is a
> better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a good program
> to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow you to import
> text from an open document format (open office or libreoffice); it will
> also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic) image or an
> adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain illy files
> after illustrator 9 will not import. but be not dismayed, illustrator will
> convert your image to the .svg format for importation.
>
> for my work flow, i use a raster editor (gimp, photoshop, etc.) to size,
> color correct, etc. photographs; i use a vector editor (inkscape,
> illustrator, corel draw, etc.) to produce and size vector drawings and
> usually export to the .tif format (tif files contain more information than
> jpeg or png files - most commercial print shops prefer tif files for this
> reason); and i use a page layout program (scribus, indesign, quark express,
> etc.) to put the design elements together for the purpose of producing a
> print ready pdf file that produces a quality finished product.
>
> i need to mention that "properly" sizing a raster image is most important.
> most commercial printers use a certain image resolution for different types
> of paper and the "use" of the image. for instance, a fine art print would
> be printed at 175 dpi while a newsprint image would be printed at 75-80
> dpi. all this depends on the paper used for the job. i usually use 300 dpi
> for raster images and size the image according to the size i want to
> produce on the page. most vector images are either 300 or 600 dpi,
> depending on the program i use to produce them.
>
> scribus will allow you to draw a container for an image and the program
> can size a large or small image to the container, but a 72 dpi image
> enlarged by this process will produce an ugly final image on the paper.
> there are some commercial printers that cannot print a scribus pdf file.
> since adobe is the "industry standard" software they calibrate their
> printers to adobe. small print shops use corel draw as their standard
> software. in this case, you can provide a native file with accompanying
> fonts in the file for printing. for most jobs where i use corel draw, i
> will convert text to curves so i don't have to provide fonts to the
> printer. and don't assume a printer knows how to print from a pdf. i have
> run across one that didn't understand that he didn't have to import my pdf
> into draw to print it. i guess he didn't know he could print from a pdf
> viewer to his chosen printer. but i digress. a page layout program is also
> a type setter. you can kern letters and paragraphs for "readability". i'm
> sure you have seen where some of your letters in a particular font will
> look closer together than other letters when printed. although raster and
> vector programs have the same capability, page layout programs do it
> better, because that's how they are designed.
>
> color management is key to the whole process, but that's another
> conversation all together.
>
> 

Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Uwe Saßnowski]

Hello Jehan and Dwain,

I thank you very much for your helpful answeres! All this makes realy
sense. I now started to work with Scribus. To be honest I had some
program crashes (I think because of my unknowingness in the first steps
:)) and some color fields are difficult to design. But all in all it is
easy to handle. You are right that this seems to be the correct program
to make our print material. I made some test pdf's and it looks realy
good. It will take some time to be on the same point where I was with
gimp. I hope that our printer shop accept the pdf, but I have a good
feeling, they are professional. I look forward to my first print. Thank
you again! Nice to have such professional help!


With best regards,
Uwe

Am 10.05.2019 um 13:19 schrieb Dwain Alford:

john and uwe,
here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based
program while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which
produces "smooth" outlines. scribus is a page layout program that
handles the job of combining raster images, vector images and text
into a neat package that a good print shop can execute a quality
finished product of your design.

scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that is
"print ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw
driver to try and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the
appropriate tool for the job, correct? even though gimp can be used to
design a page, inkscape is a better choice of the two. however, even
though inkscape is a good program to use for page design, scribus is
better. scribus will allow you to import text from an open document
format (open office or libreoffice); it will also allow you to import
a .svg (scaleable vector graphic) image or an adobe illustrator image.
however, i have found that certain illy files after illustrator 9 will
not import. but be not dismayed, illustrator will convert your image
to the .svg format for importation.

for my work flow, i use a raster editor (gimp, photoshop, etc.) to
size, color correct, etc. photographs; i use a vector editor
(inkscape, illustrator, corel draw, etc.) to produce and size vector
drawings and usually export to the .tif format (tif files contain more
information than jpeg or png files - most commercial print shops
prefer tif files for this reason); and i use a page layout program
(scribus, indesign, quark express, etc.) to put the design elements
together for the purpose of producing a print ready pdf file that
produces a quality finished product.

i need to mention that "properly" sizing a raster image is most
important. most commercial printers use a certain image resolution for
different types of paper and the "use" of the image. for instance, a
fine art print would be printed at 175 dpi while a newsprint image
would be printed at 75-80 dpi. all this depends on the paper used for
the job. i usually use 300 dpi for raster images and size the image
according to the size i want to produce on the page. most vector
images are either 300 or 600 dpi, depending on the program i use to
produce them.

scribus will allow you to draw a container for an image and the
program can size a large or small image to the container, but a 72 dpi
image enlarged by this process will produce an ugly final image on the
paper. there are some commercial printers that cannot print a scribus
pdf file. since adobe is the "industry standard" software they
calibrate their printers to adobe. small print shops use corel draw as
their standard software. in this case, you can provide a native file
with accompanying fonts in the file for printing. for most jobs where
i use corel draw, i will convert text to curves so i don't have to
provide fonts to the printer. and don't assume a printer knows how to
print from a pdf. i have run across one that didn't understand that he
didn't have to import my pdf into draw to print it. i guess he didn't
know he could print from a pdf viewer to his chosen printer. but i
digress. a page layout program is also a type setter. you can kern
letters and paragraphs for "readability". i'm sure you have seen where
some of your letters in a particular font will look closer together
than other letters when printed. although raster and vector programs
have the same capability, page layout programs do it better, because
that's how they are designed.

color management is key to the whole process, but that's another
conversation all together.

hope this helps.

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:49 AM Jehan Pagès via gimp-user-list
mailto:gimp-user-list@gnome.org>> wrote:

Hi!

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM Uwe Sassnowski
mailto:uwesassnow...@web.de>> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I designed a brochure in gimp with several picture and text levels /
> layers. Then I combined all pictures and texts to one layer and
exported it
> to pdf. I sent the pdf to the printing company for printing. The
print was
> not in a perfect quality. The printing company told us that 

Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Dwain Alford via gimp-user-list]

john and uwe,
here, here. i agree whole-heartedly. gimp is a raster (pixel) based program
while inkscape is a vector (number) based program which produces "smooth"
outlines. scribus is a page layout program that handles the job of
combining raster images, vector images and text into a neat package that a
good print shop can execute a quality finished product of your design.

scribus exports directly to pdf and produces a cmyk file that is "print
ready". design tools are just that, tools. would use a screw driver to try
and pry a nail from a board? you would choose the appropriate tool for the
job, correct? even though gimp can be used to design a page, inkscape is a
better choice of the two. however, even though inkscape is a good program
to use for page design, scribus is better. scribus will allow you to import
text from an open document format (open office or libreoffice); it will
also allow you to import a .svg (scaleable vector graphic) image or an
adobe illustrator image. however, i have found that certain illy files
after illustrator 9 will not import. but be not dismayed, illustrator will
convert your image to the .svg format for importation.

for my work flow, i use a raster editor (gimp, photoshop, etc.) to size,
color correct, etc. photographs; i use a vector editor (inkscape,
illustrator, corel draw, etc.) to produce and size vector drawings and
usually export to the .tif format (tif files contain more information than
jpeg or png files - most commercial print shops prefer tif files for this
reason); and i use a page layout program (scribus, indesign, quark express,
etc.) to put the design elements together for the purpose of producing a
print ready pdf file that produces a quality finished product.

i need to mention that "properly" sizing a raster image is most important.
most commercial printers use a certain image resolution for different types
of paper and the "use" of the image. for instance, a fine art print would
be printed at 175 dpi while a newsprint image would be printed at 75-80
dpi. all this depends on the paper used for the job. i usually use 300 dpi
for raster images and size the image according to the size i want to
produce on the page. most vector images are either 300 or 600 dpi,
depending on the program i use to produce them.

scribus will allow you to draw a container for an image and the program can
size a large or small image to the container, but a 72 dpi image enlarged
by this process will produce an ugly final image on the paper. there are
some commercial printers that cannot print a scribus pdf file. since adobe
is the "industry standard" software they calibrate their printers to adobe.
small print shops use corel draw as their standard software. in this case,
you can provide a native file with accompanying fonts in the file for
printing. for most jobs where i use corel draw, i will convert text to
curves so i don't have to provide fonts to the printer. and don't assume a
printer knows how to print from a pdf. i have run across one that didn't
understand that he didn't have to import my pdf into draw to print it. i
guess he didn't know he could print from a pdf viewer to his chosen
printer. but i digress. a page layout program is also a type setter. you
can kern letters and paragraphs for "readability". i'm sure you have seen
where some of your letters in a particular font will look closer together
than other letters when printed. although raster and vector programs have
the same capability, page layout programs do it better, because that's how
they are designed.

color management is key to the whole process, but that's another
conversation all together.

hope this helps.

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:49 AM Jehan Pagès via gimp-user-list <
gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM Uwe Sassnowski 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I designed a brochure in gimp with several picture and text levels /
> > layers. Then I combined all pictures and texts to one layer and exported
> it
> > to pdf. I sent the pdf to the printing company for printing. The print
> was
> > not in a perfect quality. The printing company told us that they normally
> > get pdf's from their clients where they can make changes to improve the
> > quality. I tried to export to pdf without combining all layers. But then
> > all texts are changed in format. I can create pictures from the text
> > layers. But then I and the printing company cannot go into the text
> > anymore. Is there a way to export to pdf all single pictures and texts
> > without combining all layers so that the printing company can touch all
> > pictures and texts and to reach a higher quality print?
> >
>
> I can't remember if our implementation for PDF export rasterize text or
> not. In any case, if you want to lay out various items and similar
> activities common for printed objects, I would suggest to use Inkscape
> and/or Scribus. I mean: you can still use GIMP for obviously raster parts
> (drawing, 

Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Jehan Pagès via gimp-user-list]

Hi!

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM Uwe Sassnowski  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I designed a brochure in gimp with several picture and text levels /
> layers. Then I combined all pictures and texts to one layer and exported it
> to pdf. I sent the pdf to the printing company for printing. The print was
> not in a perfect quality. The printing company told us that they normally
> get pdf's from their clients where they can make changes to improve the
> quality. I tried to export to pdf without combining all layers. But then
> all texts are changed in format. I can create pictures from the text
> layers. But then I and the printing company cannot go into the text
> anymore. Is there a way to export to pdf all single pictures and texts
> without combining all layers so that the printing company can touch all
> pictures and texts and to reach a higher quality print?
>

I can't remember if our implementation for PDF export rasterize text or
not. In any case, if you want to lay out various items and similar
activities common for printed objects, I would suggest to use Inkscape
and/or Scribus. I mean: you can still use GIMP for obviously raster parts
(drawing, photographs, etc.). But when it comes to complex designs,
Inkscape may be the most appropriate tool. And if you have objects to set
precisely on your page, Scribus may be better suited (it won't do that much
more than what Inkscape does, simply it's rather *how* it does it which may
make it much more straightforward when you think in term of print).

Now GIMP can also work very fine, even if you have texts. But then you have
to understand well the printing process to provide a perfect raster object
to the printshop and not expect them to edit it (we certainly don't want
printshops to edit our designs in fact!).

Jehan


>
> With best regards,
> Uwe
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Re: [Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2019-05-03 9:00 a.m., Uwe Sassnowski wrote:

But then all texts are changed in format. I can create pictures from the
text layers. But then I and the printing company cannot go into the text
anymore.


If the single layer PDF you generated had the right look to text outputting 
a multi-layer version should not change the appearance of the text. You need 
to do an export to PDF from the original multi-layer XCF file on a machine 
that has the fonts installed which are referenced by the XCF file.


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[Gimp-user] Export to pdf

[Uwe Sassnowski]

Hello, 

I designed a brochure in gimp with several picture and text levels / layers. 
Then I combined all pictures and texts to one layer and exported it to pdf. I 
sent the pdf to the printing company for printing. The print was not in a 
perfect quality. The printing company told us that they normally get pdf's from 
their clients where they can make changes to improve the quality. I tried to 
export to pdf without combining all layers. But then all texts are changed in 
format. I can create pictures from the text layers. But then I and the printing 
company cannot go into the text anymore. Is there a way to export to pdf all 
single pictures and texts without combining all layers so that the printing 
company can touch all pictures and texts and to reach a higher quality print?


With best regards,
Uwe
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