Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Hi. On Sat, 12 May 2007 00:44:15 +0900, Neil Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Ok, I'm building a new tarball with GLUT and C++. The OpenAL/ALUT stuff >> > looks a >> > bit daunting at the moment. If someone tells me exactly what I need to >> > install >> > to make it work, then I'll do that. OK, I see, >> This tarball has GLUT and C++: >> >> http://haskell.org/ghc/dist/6.6.1/ghc-6.6.1-i386-unknown-mingw32.tar.bz2 >> >> (48M) >> >> GLUT doesn't actually work for me, becuase I apparently don't have the right >> DLL, but the package built without any problems after I copied the missing >> glut.h header over. I confirmed GLUT works with this dll. http://www.xmission.com/~nate/glut.html On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:50:05 +0900, shelarcy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But MinGW continues to use old one now. > > http://www.mingw.org/MinGWiki/index.php/Glut Above URL links that page, so I think that is right one, >> If someone could update the installer using that tarball, that'd be great. > > New installer uploaded, as the standard Windows installer. Neil, Simon, thank you very much for discussing binary distribution with me and providing new better binary and installer. Best Regards, -- shelarcy http://page.freett.com/shelarcy/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Hi > Ok, I'm building a new tarball with GLUT and C++. The OpenAL/ALUT stuff looks a > bit daunting at the moment. If someone tells me exactly what I need to install > to make it work, then I'll do that. This tarball has GLUT and C++: http://haskell.org/ghc/dist/6.6.1/ghc-6.6.1-i386-unknown-mingw32.tar.bz2 (48M) GLUT doesn't actually work for me, becuase I apparently don't have the right DLL, but the package built without any problems after I copied the missing glut.h header over. If someone could update the installer using that tarball, that'd be great. New installer uploaded, as the standard Windows installer. Thanks Neil ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Simon Marlow wrote: > shelarcy wrote: >> Hi >> >> On Thu, 10 May 2007 18:36:22 +0900, Neil Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I've attached the installer source to this message, for you to play >>> with/patch to your hearts content. I sent a copy to Ian a few days, so >>> it should be appearing in the GHC tree at some point. >> I succeed to build installer with C++ files by it. >> include/mingw/c++/ doesn't cause any problem. >> >> So, now we're ready to include C++ files. > > Ok, I'm building a new tarball with GLUT and C++. The OpenAL/ALUT stuff > looks a > bit daunting at the moment. If someone tells me exactly what I need to > install > to make it work, then I'll do that. This tarball has GLUT and C++: http://haskell.org/ghc/dist/6.6.1/ghc-6.6.1-i386-unknown-mingw32.tar.bz2 (48M) GLUT doesn't actually work for me, becuase I apparently don't have the right DLL, but the package built without any problems after I copied the missing glut.h header over. If someone could update the installer using that tarball, that'd be great. Cheers, Simon ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
shelarcy wrote: > Hi > > On Thu, 10 May 2007 18:36:22 +0900, Neil Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've attached the installer source to this message, for you to play >> with/patch to your hearts content. I sent a copy to Ian a few days, so >> it should be appearing in the GHC tree at some point. > > I succeed to build installer with C++ files by it. > include/mingw/c++/ doesn't cause any problem. > > So, now we're ready to include C++ files. Ok, I'm building a new tarball with GLUT and C++. The OpenAL/ALUT stuff looks a bit daunting at the moment. If someone tells me exactly what I need to install to make it work, then I'll do that. Cheers, Simon ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
On Thu, 10 May 2007 18:11:52 +0900, Simon Marlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> So to summarise, the following are missing from the binary distribution that >>> Neil used as the basis for his installer: >>> >>> (snip) >>> >>> right? >> >> Yes. And Sigbjorn's one provides these packages. > > Ok, but I don't know how to build these libraries. You mentioned copying the > files from the old GHC distribution, but that sounds exceedingly dodgy, since > they're from a different version of mingw. And I can't find these libraries > to > download on the mingw site. Any ideas? * ALUT and OpenAL We can download freeALUT and OpenAL SDK (and runtime) from OpenAL site's link. http://www.openal.org/downloads.html MinGW supports to link .dll files (yes, we know that) and .lib files directory now. So I belive that we can use these library. http://www.mingw.org/MinGWiki/index.php/FAQ http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/1243 * GLUT MinGW has GLUT library files, but ... distributor forgot to include GLUT header. So this problem is solved by just copying glut.h file. Now we can use newer extention of GLUT - freeGLUT. http://freeglut.sourceforge.net/ http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/hopengl/2006-December/000679.html But MinGW continues to use old one now. http://www.mingw.org/MinGWiki/index.php/Glut * readline I don't know about readline library. When I use newer version form WebSite (I forgot where that is), but I can't build readline package by it. I think Sigbjorn can answer that. Best Reards, -- shelarcy http://page.freett.com/shelarcy/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Hi On Thu, 10 May 2007 18:36:22 +0900, Neil Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've attached the installer source to this message, for you to play > with/patch to your hearts content. I sent a copy to Ian a few days, so > it should be appearing in the GHC tree at some point. I succeed to build installer with C++ files by it. include/mingw/c++/ doesn't cause any problem. So, now we're ready to include C++ files. Best Regards, -- shelarcy http://page.freett.com/shelarcy/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Hi I don't have InstallerShield, so I don't fix its problem. But Inno Setup is OpenSource, so, although Neil doesn't fix this problem on current time, we can fix this (Of cource, installer's source must be available). I've attached the installer source to this message, for you to play with/patch to your hearts content. I sent a copy to Ian a few days, so it should be appearing in the GHC tree at some point. Thanks Neil ghc.iss Description: Binary data ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
shelarcy wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 09 May 2007 17:31:51 +0900, Simon Marlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So to summarise, the following are missing from the binary distribution that >> Neil used as the basis for his installer: >> >> * readline >> * ALUT >> * OpenAL >> * GLUT >> * C++ support in the bundled GCC >> >> right? > > Yes. And Sigbjorn's one provides these packages. Ok, but I don't know how to build these libraries. You mentioned copying the files from the old GHC distribution, but that sounds exceedingly dodgy, since they're from a different version of mingw. And I can't find these libraries to download on the mingw site. Any ideas? Cheers, Simon ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
On Wed, 09 May 2007 17:42:11 +0900, Neil Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Custom/complete: yes, typical: no. What on earth does "typical" mean? The >> user has no idea whether it will install the features they need or not, so >> it's >> a meaningless option. > > From all I can tell, GHC 6.6 has all these options, but they all do > the same thing! If you select custom you can choose whether or not to > install "GHC", but thats as fine-grained as the control gets. > > The options I was thinking off were: > > * GHC (always required) > * Profiling libraries > * HTML documentation > * Register .hs and .lhs extensions > * Set the GHC %PATH% > * Set the Cabal %PATH% > > With the Complete (recommended and default) install being all of them, > Minimal (lacking HTML and profiling) and custom for anything else. I think we can also ignore theirs on future. * all extra libraries (we don't have caball-install now) * C++ files (if someone doesn't want to compile C++. But we don't support these yet) Best Regards, -- shelarcy http://page.freett.com/shelarcy/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
On Wed, 09 May 2007 17:31:51 +0900, Simon Marlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You forgot to include GLUT and readline packages. >> I think you can't build these packages, so you don't include it. >> >> This is well-known problem, if build GHC your self. >> Because MInGW doesn't have these headers and library files in its directory. >> >> http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2006-October/011253.html >> http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell/2006-December/018919.html >> >> So you must copy these files from old GHC's directory first, and >> then building new GHC. > > That sounds scary - what about incompatible versions? OpenGL is just Rendering Engine, and it doesn't provide any UI. So if someone want to use OpenGL, he must install other packages. GLUT or wxHaskell, Gtk2HS, HSDL, etc So I think GLUT is important package, before we get caball-install. I don't know about readline package. Best Regards, -- shelarcy http://page.freett.com/shelarcy/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Hi, On Wed, 09 May 2007 17:31:51 +0900, Simon Marlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So to summarise, the following are missing from the binary distribution that > Neil used as the basis for his installer: > > * readline > * ALUT > * OpenAL > * GLUT > * C++ support in the bundled GCC > > right? Yes. And Sigbjorn's one provides these packages. It lacks just C++ files. http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2007-May/012538.html >> There is no C++ files in your installer. >> But if anyone want to build C++ source code by GHC, he disappoint >> about that. >> >> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/1024 >> http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2007-April/thread.html#12408 > > The reason I didn't enable C++ support in prep-bin-dist-mingw is because of > that > comment, and because I don't know how to test it. Basically I chickened out. > Are you saying it should just be uncommented in prep-bin-dist-mingw? Yes, and if new installer also cause that problem, I want to know it. I don't have InstallerShield, so I don't fix its problem. But Inno Setup is OpenSource, so, although Neil doesn't fix this problem on current time, we can fix this (Of cource, installer's source must be available). And I think it's good time to fix installer's problem when someone release binary distribution. Because we aren't insterested in chanaging installer source before release time. I think a few of its reason is we can't fix installer easily, and if someone want to use development version, she can build binary herself or download snapshot build. And she want to use installer only at that very moment when new version is released. Best Regards, -- shelarcy http://page.freett.com/shelarcy/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Hi > GHC 6.6's installer (MSI) has three Installation Mode, Typical, > Custom, Complete. These mode doesn't work GHC 6.6's one, but some > other installer uses these Installation Mode, to suport install > options. Custom/complete: yes, typical: no. What on earth does "typical" mean? The user has no idea whether it will install the features they need or not, so it's a meaningless option. From all I can tell, GHC 6.6 has all these options, but they all do the same thing! If you select custom you can choose whether or not to install "GHC", but thats as fine-grained as the control gets. The options I was thinking off were: * GHC (always required) * Profiling libraries * HTML documentation * Register .hs and .lhs extensions * Set the GHC %PATH% * Set the Cabal %PATH% With the Complete (recommended and default) install being all of them, Minimal (lacking HTML and profiling) and custom for anything else. Thanks Neil ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
shelarcy wrote: > GHC 6.6's installer (MSI) has three Installation Mode, Typical, > Custom, Complete. These mode doesn't work GHC 6.6's one, but some > other installer uses these Installation Mode, to suport install > options. Custom/complete: yes, typical: no. What on earth does "typical" mean? The user has no idea whether it will install the features they need or not, so it's a meaningless option. Cheers, Simon ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
So to summarise, the following are missing from the binary distribution that Neil used as the basis for his installer: * readline * ALUT * OpenAL * GLUT * C++ support in the bundled GCC right? I can try to roll another binary distribution, but I don't know much about these packages or C++ support so I'm guessing a bit. shelarcy wrote: > You forgot to include GLUT and readline packages. > I think you can't build these packages, so you don't include it. > > This is well-known problem, if build GHC your self. > Because MInGW doesn't have these headers and library files in its directory. > > http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2006-October/011253.html > http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell/2006-December/018919.html > > So you must copy these files from old GHC's directory first, and > then building new GHC. That sounds scary - what about incompatible versions? > There is no C++ files in your installer. > But if anyone want to build C++ source code by GHC, he disappoint > about that. > > http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/1024 > http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2007-April/thread.html#12408 The reason I didn't enable C++ support in prep-bin-dist-mingw is because of that comment, and because I don't know how to test it. Basically I chickened out. Are you saying it should just be uncommented in prep-bin-dist-mingw? Cheers, Simon ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Hi So I want to know "What version of MinGW do you use?" and "Is your MinGW has C++ files?" None, I don't have it installed. I took the binaries straight from the GHC 6.6.1 .tar.bz on haskell.org, I guess Ian would know how they build that. I think these tasks are easy, and they don't become bottleneck to release installer. As before, its not something I have any power over. GHC 6.6's installer (MSI) has three Installation Mode, Typical, Custom, Complete. These mode doesn't work GHC 6.6's one, but some other installer uses these Installation Mode, to suport install options. I'll add that, its not overly hard, but I want something functional, robust and now. For the next version you'll have options over what to install. Thanks Neil ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
On Tue, 08 May 2007 19:04:33 +0900, Neil Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You forgot to include GLUT and readline packages. >> I think you can't build these packages, so you don't include it. > > I have built an installer for the binary package produced by the GHC > Team, including whatever they included, and excluding whatever they > excluded. If the GHC Team change their build so these are built, I > will happily include whatever they tell me. It's wrong about buildable packages and C++ files. First, "make binary-dist" includes these packages in binary distribution if you can build theirs. GHC 6.4 and GHC 6.6.1 or above installers include theirs. And if you can build OpenAL and ALUT, you can include these packages to your installer. Second, I can include C++ files (except header files) in binary by "make binary-dist" command with MinGW-4.1.1. http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2007-April/012410.html http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2007-April/012413.html So I want to know "What version of MinGW do you use?" and "Is your MinGW has C++ files?" If you don't find C++ files in your MinGW directory, I think you probably choice not to install C++/g++ things. So if you find your MinGW doesn't include C++ files, you must install these files first. And then you try to use "make binary-dist" command and make installer again. >> There is no C++ files in your installer. >> But if anyone want to build C++ source code by GHC, he disappoint >> about that. > > As before, what goes in the package is someone elses choice. This > installer is intended as something quick to get a working installer > out the door. I'd like to think about beefing it up, offering extra > options (possibly C++ support) in the next version (i.e. 6.8, 6.6.2) So above tasks will be complete just checking and correcting your build enviornment. An lack is C++ header files, but you can fix this problem by changing to comment out or remove dist/prep-bin-dist-mingw's below line. rm -rf include/mingw/c++/ || echo "c++/ not there" I think these tasks are easy, and they don't become bottleneck to release installer. >> And can you add Installation Mode to your installer? > > There is already a silent install mode, /SILENT or /VERYSILENT do > something - but I have no idea what. Is that what you meant by > Installation Mode? GHC 6.6's installer (MSI) has three Installation Mode, Typical, Custom, Complete. These mode doesn't work GHC 6.6's one, but some other installer uses these Installation Mode, to suport install options. I want to say that. But that is difficult task, so I wait that for the next version. Best Regards, -- shelarcy http://page.freett.com/shelarcy/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Hi You forgot to include GLUT and readline packages. I think you can't build these packages, so you don't include it. I have built an installer for the binary package produced by the GHC Team, including whatever they included, and excluding whatever they excluded. If the GHC Team change their build so these are built, I will happily include whatever they tell me. And can you add Installation Mode to your installer? There is already a silent install mode, /SILENT or /VERYSILENT do something - but I have no idea what. Is that what you meant by Installation Mode? There is no C++ files in your installer. But if anyone want to build C++ source code by GHC, he disappoint about that. As before, what goes in the package is someone elses choice. This installer is intended as something quick to get a working installer out the door. I'd like to think about beefing it up, offering extra options (possibly C++ support) in the next version (i.e. 6.8, 6.6.2) So I think we will become happy, if adding Installation Mode and maintain that on GHC's darcs repository. I'm still not entirely sure what you mean by this? Thanks Neil ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Hi Neil, On Tue, 08 May 2007 00:34:10 +0900, Neil Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've prepared a GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer. Before I offer this up as > an official installer, could people please test it? > > http://www.haskell.org/ghc/dist/6.6.1/ghc-6.6.1-i386-windows-test1.exe You forgot to include GLUT and readline packages. I think you can't build these packages, so you don't include it. This is well-known problem, if build GHC your self. Because MInGW doesn't have these headers and library files in its directory. http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2006-October/011253.html http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell/2006-December/018919.html So you must copy these files from old GHC's directory first, and then building new GHC. > The new features of this installer (relative to the 6.6 one) are: > > * Prettier .hs icons > * Automatically adds GHC and Cabal binaries to the %PATH% > * 10Mb smaller (better compression) > > Thanks to Duncan for answering installer related questions. And can you add Installation Mode to your installer? There is no C++ files in your installer. But if anyone want to build C++ source code by GHC, he disappoint about that. http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/1024 http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2007-April/thread.html#12408 On the other hand, if anyone want to install sommaller GHC, he doesn't want to install unnecessary things. And we can point out that for other things. For example, we want to include extra libraries or not, we want to include OpenAL and ALUT or not (these package can buid only when building GHC now. because OpenAL and ALUT libraries are built by ccall convention, but these package use stdcall convention on Windows now. And -fvia-C convert stdcall to ccall). http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/glasgow-haskell-users/2006-September/02.html http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/hopengl/2007-March/000715.html http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/1140 http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/1243 So I think we will become happy, if adding Installation Mode and maintain that on GHC's darcs repository. Best Regards, -- shelarcy http://page.freett.com/shelarcy/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Neil Mitchell wrote: Hi, I've prepared a GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer. Before I offer this up as an official installer, could people please test it? http://www.haskell.org/ghc/dist/6.6.1/ghc-6.6.1-i386-windows-test1.exe Thanks for that. It seems to install and compile the collections package OK so I guess it's working. Regards -- Adrian Hey ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Neil Mitchell wrote: Hi, I've prepared a GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer. Before I offer this up as an official installer, could people please test it? http://www.haskell.org/ghc/dist/6.6.1/ghc-6.6.1-i386-windows-test1.exe Thanks Neil, This works perfectly! Best regards, Brian. ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer, test version
Hi, I've prepared a GHC 6.6.1 Windows installer. Before I offer this up as an official installer, could people please test it? http://www.haskell.org/ghc/dist/6.6.1/ghc-6.6.1-i386-windows-test1.exe The new features of this installer (relative to the 6.6 one) are: * Prettier .hs icons * Automatically adds GHC and Cabal binaries to the %PATH% * 10Mb smaller (better compression) Thanks to Duncan for answering installer related questions. Neil ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
