Re: NT Authentication?
I'd like to point out that I have erected an SEP field around both my environment and security at my current place of employment :) Therefore, all discussion of security is strictly "theoretical" wrt my current "real life" needs. (In other words, I'm interested in the security implications from an educational/theoretical POV only, since I can't really enforce or implement much security here. Besides, I'm behind a firewall! ;) In a message dated: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:21:40 EDT "Derek D. Martin" said: >In a really security-sensitive environment, I wouldn't allow NT >domain authentication at all... [...snip...] >Actually, in a really security-sensitive environment, I wouldn't allow >Microsoft products on my network. Their bug-o-the month software is >too flawed, by their own VP's admission. But that's me... But, according to the pam_smb website (http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied/pam_smb/faq/pam_smb_faq-2.htm), pam_smb has the following "feature": * Uses encrypted LANMAN passwords over the network And the development track is working on implementing: * A daemon to support caching and queueing of entries How you could you *not* feel secure with this? ;) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RH7.2 install question
In a message dated: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:37:27 GMT "Rich C" said: >> Anyone install RH7.2, have the X config go smoothly, have it tell you >> that GNOME would be your desktop, choose a graphical login, and still >> have it present you with a text login? >> > >I think you may have missed a tiny little check box that asks if you >WANT to start X on bootup... That's what I suspect, though I thought I checked that. Of course, it's a little too late now, it's not like there's a "Back" button once you've finished installing :) I'm *re-installing* just to make sure that's what it is. Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: NIS stuff
In a message dated: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:03:20 EST "Tom Buskey" said: >O'Reilly just came out with the 2nd edition of NFS and NIS. The 1st >edition is 1991 & SunOS specific. I haven't looked at the new one as I >don't do NIS nowadays, but I sure prayed for it to cover something >other then SunOS in the days of Solaris 2.5.1. I'd grab it in a second >if I was doing NIS. Hmmm, never had a problem with NIS under Solaris 2.5.x, don't know why. Mighta been my servers were either always SunOS or Linux :) >The Nemeth Purple (red previously) has a section on NIS too. You >should have that book if you're doing sys admin anyways. Geez, another plug for that damn book! I'm getting so sick of hearing about that book. You'd think it was the sysadmin bible or something! Oh, wait, it is. Sorry. (seriously though, maybe we should add to the standard "to unsubscribe" footer of every e-mail a plug for that book so we don't have to always type it. Though I can't seriously believe that there's anyone left on this list who doesn't have a copy yet ;) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RH7.2 install question
In a message dated: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:28:31 PST Ken Ambrose said: >On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Anyone install RH7.2, have the X config go smoothly, have it tell you >> that GNOME would be your desktop, choose a graphical login, and still >> have it present you with a text login? > >Well, I've never had a problem with it, but then, I usually select text >for my login -- I hate waiting for X to come up if I don't need it. >However, it's an easy fix, regardless of what the root cause might be. Yeah, you'd think so, however, as I stated, getting it to work wasn't my priority, figuring out if what I was seeing was normal for a 7.2 install was. >Add the following line to the end of your /etc/inittab file: > >x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > >Unless I'm mistaken, that'll fix the whole shebang -- it puts you into >runlevel 5, which is just techno-babble for "GUI login". Yeah, that was my first guess too. However, that's already in the initab file. prefdm is a shell script which then looks in /etc/ sysconfig/desktop for the DESKTOP entry, which was blank. In theory, this should be okay, and it should default to GNOME if that's available and if /usr/sbin/gdm exists, should start that up. It didn't. I don't know why. I'm in the process of writing install directions for X via a normal installation of the OS, and for some reason, it b0rk3d :( -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: NIS stuff
In a message dated: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:57:32 EST Rich Payne said: >It's not RedHat specific, but O'Reilly has an NFS and NIS book. That's how >I got started (it also helps to have a few machines you can set it up on). I have to agree with Rich, the only decent book out there on NFS/NIS is the O'Reilly book. I'm not sure how out-dated it is. The version I have is getting on in age, and I don't know if they ever came out with an update version. The version I have is quite SunOS-centric, and somethings don't apply to Linux very well, like the automounter section, and it's discussion of direct vs. indirect maps. Linux's automounter only supports indirect maps, not direct. But that's all NFS related stuff, not really NIS :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Java resources
In a message dated: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:00:38 EST "Derek D. Martin" said: >I also wonder if someone can explain to me how one becomes an >experienced programmer when employers all want someone who has 7+ >years of experience... The same way we got 7+ years of sysadmin experience. Someone, somewhere needs to believe you can do it, be willing to take a chance on you, and give you a break! -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
MELBA Meeting TOMORROW at Martha's Exchange 19:00
Who:Paul Iadonisi What: All that is RPM (or at least what he can get between heckles directed at Ben ;) When: 19:00 (Dinner 18:00) Where: Martha's Exchange, 2nd floor Why:Beer, Linux, Heckling Ben, what more reason do we need? Directions to Martha's available at: http://www.gnhlug.org Please RSVP, and let me know how many you are RSVP'ing for! RSVP: Either click on the link below: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=27%20Mar%202002%20Number: or send mail to plussier + rsvp at mindspring dot com with a Subject line of: Subject: 27 Mar 2002 Number: Thanks! -- Paul Lussier Senior Systems and Network Engineer Co-Chairman, Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group (GNHLUG) Chairman, Nashua Chapter GNHLUG http://www.gnhlug.org Events: http://www.gnhlug.org/lug_cal/month.php * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug-announce' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: .xsession vs .xinitrc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a message dated: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:06:30 EST "Derek D. Martin" said: >Well either you didn't read what I wrote (what, Paul not read a post >completely?), or you've never experienced what I'm talking about, >which I find hard to believe, since I'm pretty sure I've watched you >do it. ;-) Well, it's 2:00 in the morning, and I've been up since 7:30 am *yesterday* morning, so cut me some slack :) Actually, I didn't understand what you were referring to, but now I do based upon your more lucid explanation. Thanks :) And yes, I have experienced this, and it's a pain! >and AFA the failsafe login goes, if [xgk]dm never gives you a login >box, it ain't gonna happen. =8^) Right :) >> >There are potentially other uses for having different sessions too. >> >> I don't disagree with that, I just don't see why one needs separate >> .xinitrc and .xsession files. > >Under the above circumstances, you may want to start different >programs than those you normally start from your .xsession. I >personally don't generally do this, but I have in the past, and >someone else might want to. I have to, but it's been quite rare, and at the time I was doing this, I think I dealt with it by having either command line args handled by the script, or I just quickly created a copy of the first, changed it, and fed the new file name to startx as an arg. I think I did the later, not the former, but don't really remember. Good night, er, morning :) - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8ns6DPMkOzOrc6sMRAsk8AJ9UHegVTtPaKST+Prz9cfYfG5O5OwCcDm0u UuqOS0gf3g6C47oJVZOeQdA= =NctE -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: .xsession vs .xinitrc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a message dated: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 01:28:34 EST "Derek D. Martin" said: >> And why don't startx/xinit and the session managers just use the same >> config file? > >Because they don't do the same thing. Well, but they do, sorta. >One is for when your X session is started by a session manager like xdm, and >the other is for when X is started manually. I understand that, however, for as long as I can remember, my .xinitrc file has been a symlink to my .xsession file, and I have always maintained just 1 file, and it's always "just worked" (tm). >This comes in handy for such things as, say, debugging why your X session >won't start, or when X exits as soon as it starts. Why do you need 2 separate files to debug why your X session won't work? >When this happens, often the only way you can fix the >problem (because of X constantly respawning) is to log in remotely and >reboot to a runlevel that doesn't use X. Then, to test, you use a >fairly basic startx, and make incremental changes until you figure out >what's broken. That's a fairly complex and convoluted way of debugging X, especially if the problems are specific your config files. Why not just use the built-in failsafe log in, or, with Linux, a virtual terminal? >There are potentially other uses for having different sessions too. I don't disagree with that, I just don't see why one needs separate .xinitrc and .xsession files. >I may be mistaken (since I'm too lazy to go look at the standalone >HP-UX box two rooms away from my desk) but AFAIK .Xclients is NOT >specific to Red Hat; I believe it's part of the standard start-up >scripts for both xinit (xinitrc, which can be in one of about 100 >directories on Unix systems) and xdm (Xsession, likewise). Those >programs prefer $HOME/.xinitrc and $HOME/.xsession, respectively; but >if the respective file doesn't exist, BOTH programs will look for >$HOME/.Xclients. Yup, my later man page perusal confirmed this. >The only other file of interest from the perspective of X, besides >those three, which might appear in your home directory is the >.Xdefaults file, to set resources. Right, got that one covered! >Well, there's also the .Xauthority file, but well-configured systems deal >with that automatically, because dealing with X-MIT-MAGIC-COOKIEs is too >esoteric for most typical computer users (and perhaps even most atypical computer >users). Yeah, I'll agree with that. That crap is too esoteric for *ME*, and I usually thrive on esoteric :) - -- Seeya, Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 (debian 2.2-1) iD8DBQE8nsauPMkOzOrc6sMRAqQfAJ4meGmpzn5KKhG38qaHqtTONfNgbQCfTSWj PA0SaK53PB92WRyMNVeVJ98= =TG41 -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Thinking of firewire?
In a message dated: 23 Mar 2002 16:27:54 EST Mark Komarinski said: >In the end, FW is a pretty nice way to expand the storage of your system >without requiring a reboot (if you already have the drivers), not have >to pay for SCSI prices, and not fool around with IDE drives. The cost >to entry is pretty low (cards run from $39-$99, 60G drive for $229) and >the performance is adequate and hopefully improving. Can you use these devices in a RAID and/or LVM configuration? I can definitely see this slowing things down a little, but for something like storing ISOs or mirroring kernel.org etc. it would be nice :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: slide show software (fwd)
In a message dated: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:29:22 PST Ken Ambrose said: >Eh-hem. Read them thar threads. ;-) [Note that I, too, skip the odd >message; I guess this is one we are all guilty of, occasionally.] Yeah, fetchmail wasn't finished downloading my mail yet. The next message popped up in my gnhlu folder just as I hit the send button :) >Also, I have little doubt that, with some sweat, Gimp could be made to do >most anything up to and including your dishes. Someday, I'll actually >-learn- the darn application. I don't think I have enough time left in my life to do that. The average life expectancy is only to about 85-90 years or so, right? ;) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: slide show software
In a message dated: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:30:06 EST "Mansur, Warren" said: >>xv -wait 3 *.gif >> >> would cycle through all the images with a 3 second delay... >> >> (gee - you might have to say "-loop" as well..) > >Thanks to all for their answers. I ended up using xv and it's working >great! Though I know and love 'xv', is there any truely free software that's equivalent, and can be used in this manner? I haven't checked lately, but at one time 'xv' was only free (as in beer) for personal use, and came with a license which restricted chages and redistribution. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Benefits of owning a domain (was Re: Cross Yahoo off the list of free e-mail services!)
In a message dated: 21 Mar 2002 17:26:17 EST "Kenneth E. Lussier" said: >It is good, even on a dial-up. I know for certain that DomainDiscover >will forward mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to a pre-specified e-mail >address. In other words, you can register foo.com and have e-mail that >is sent to foo.com forwarded to your earthlink address. That way, if you >lose your dial-up account for any reason, just change the forwarding >e-mail address to your new e-mail address. You don't have to worry about >telling everyone about your new address. Hmmm, that's actually not a bad idea. Maybe I'll look into that :) >Agreed. You have everything you need. Until Mindspring tells you that >they are changing the doamin name for your e-mail to earthlink.net >(NOTE: This is fairly unlikely to actually happen in this case). Considering you can go to the Earthlink site and choose e-mail addresses in *any* of the domains they've acquired over the years, you're right, it's fairly unlikely. I can't get [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for now), but I did get pll at lanmind dot com, which is just one of the 38 billion domains they now own :) (I haven't actually *used* that e-mail address for anything, but I do have it :) >> Running my own domain, as I'm sure is true for most internet users, >> is actually *more* trouble than it's worth, especially considering >> I'm restricted to dial-up access, as is the majority of the U.S.! > >For most internet users, yes. But that is why 20Million of them are >using AOL ;-) Which was my point :) >I use mine to collect spam. Whenever I need to enter an e-maill address >on a website, I use that one. I go in once every few months to keep it >active, and delete everything that's there. Oh, for websites I use 'sales@'. Occasionally I run into the sales address being previously registered, so I'll enter [EMAIL PROTECTED], or use marketing@, etc. :) I figure if they're going to send spam, they may as well get their own. Although, you know. Maybe I'll start cross-subscribing e-mail addresses of companies I hate. Like [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Benefits of owning a domain (was Re: Cross Yahoo off the list of free e-mail services!)
In a message dated: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:04:17 EST Angus D Madden said: >You could always get an account on a shared server and point your domain >at that server. I find that having an always-on machine that I can log >into somewhere has many advantages. I'm not disputing it usefulness or advantage, especially being a sysadmin and needing to often check my environments the outside on occasion. My only point is that the costs, both financial and in terms of time and effort, of owning/running a domain are more than most people are willing to accept, especially if it's only or mostly for POP e-mail access. I'm paying for dial-up internet access right now. I get pop access with that. Owning/running a domain isn't worth the effort or money to me. It definitely would be if I had high-speed, always-on internet access. I don't, therefore, it's not worth all that effort plus more to make it all work with a dial-up connection. If I really need an outside account I can log into, I know plenty of people who do ownn their own domain that would be willing to set me up with an account (actually, I already have this with at least one person :) My only point was that Kenny gave many advantages to owning your own domain. All of which I agree with. I was merely pointing out that without high-speed, always-on internet access, none of those are worth the effort. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Benefits of owning a domain (was Re: Cross Yahoo off the list of free e-mail services!)
In a message dated: 21 Mar 2002 13:19:17 EST "Kenneth E. Lussier" said: >Domains are cheap these days, so anyone can afford it. Setting up the >servers really only requires a few old PC's, a Linux distro, and some >documentation. You forgot one important thing: Affordable, high speed, always-on internet access. I could easily afford to register my own domain, but without xDSL or cable modem access to the net, what good is it? A dial-up connection just isn't a feasible means of running a domain. Can it be done? Absolutely. Is it worth the trouble? No, not really. Especially if the only reason is to gain POP3 e-mail access. My $21/month for an ISP gets me upto 8 POP3 mailboxes if I really need them. If I *really* want to run a website, I get 10MB or so of space. Running my own domain, as I'm sure is true for most internet users, is actually *more* trouble than it's worth, especially considering I'm restricted to dial-up access, as is the majority of the U.S.! The fact that Yahoo is restricting free e-mail access to it's web interface just means that I'll occasionally (once every couple of months) check that mail box. I'll access that address just often enough to keep it active, while leaving the mail on their systems indefinitely costing them even more money! POP3 access actually *saves* them money, because people like me who use them basically provide free advertising services through the use of their name in our e-mail addresses, *and* cost them little in terms of IT costs (use of storage, backups, tapes, etc.). Sure, we cost them in terms of bandwidth usage, but I'm willing to bet the average POP3 user places far fewer demands upon their infrastructure than a web interface user does! Oh, well, I'll just continue using my mindspring account (now Earthlink), which has provided me Linux-friendly, POP3 access without complaint or problem for over 5 years now! -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Two quick questions.
In a message dated: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:54:46 EST
Benjamin Scott said:
>On 20 Mar 2002, at 5:23pm, Scott Garman wrote:
>> What is the command to list the perl modules I have installed?
>
> I do not think there is an "easy" way to answer this question. When a
>Perl program imports a Perl module, the Perl compiler/interpreter searches
>for the module file in the directories listed in the @INC array (similar to
>an executable $PATH search).
perldoc perllocal
This will tell you only the modules you've installed above and beyond
the standard perl installation base. i.e., for 'perldoc perllocal'
to be of any help, you have to have manually (or via CPAN) installed
the modules your self.
Unfortunately, this does not work for modules installed via Debian's
apt-get mechanism, since these all install under the standard
install-base hierarchy, not the 'local' tree, which is where
modules above and beyond the core set get installed.
> Here is a quick hack (emphasis hack) that may serve your needs:
>
>perl -e 'foreach $dir (@INC) { system("ls -1 $dir/*pm"); }
>
>> What is the address for the GNHLUG-announce list? I have Bradley Kuhn from
>> the Free Software Foundation coming to UNH next week that I'd like to let
>> folks know of.
While I love Ben's approach for providing that information, I'd have to
say that it's almost not necessary now :)
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Re: Please remove all 'mediaone.net' addresses
In a message dated: 18 Mar 2002 17:39:20 EST "Kenneth E. Lussier" said: >In order to use Yahoo's smtp, you need to be a member of "Yahoo >Deliveries", which I believe is free. Errr, what's Yahoo! Deliveries? > The URL with the instructions is: >http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/pop/pop-04.html. Now that I look at this site, I remember trying these directions from within Evolution's client, and they didn't work, basically because Evolution doesn't support whatever kind of authenticated smtp that Yahoo inisist upon. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Please remove all 'mediaone.net' addresses
In a message dated: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:21:35 EST "Tom Buskey" said: >Does Yahoo have POP? Anyone know of a free, long term, POPable, web >enabled email site? Ayup! I've been using yahoo for a while now. And, supposedly, you can relay off their servers for outgoing too, provided you enable some authentication mechanism. However, I haven't figured out how to do that yet, and it's none of the auth methods provided with Evolution, and it's not smtp+auth either. But yahoo.com does do POP3 mail accessible with fetchmail! -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: samba config
In a message dated: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:28:02 EST Robert Casey said: >Good afternoon all, > >I'm setting up a Samba server and I want to configure SWAT. Documentation >says to modify your /etc/inetd.conf file so the swat service will start but >I don't have a /etc/inetd.conf file. I'm running Linux 7.2 and Samba was >installed with the OS. Could someone point me in the right direction or >maybe some links to setting up Samba on Linux 7.2. Whose Linux 7.2. The kernel is currently at 2.4.18, so I'm assuming you're referring to some distribution with the current release number of 7.2 (most likely Red Hat, since I think Mandrake and SuSE are both well past that by now) You best bet is to get the official Samba book, obtainable from the Samba website or buy it a local bookstore (I believe it's published by O'Reilly). As for SWAT? Don't know anything about. I avoid GUI admin tools like the plague, *especially* things like SWAT which want to over-write your config file every time you make a simple change. I would definitely check the docs available on your system (check out /usr/docs or /usr/share/docs, etc.) and the official Samba book. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Please remove all 'mediaone.net' addresses
In a message dated: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:18:06 EST mike ledoux said: >On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:10:11AM -0800, Karl J. Runge wrote: >> > It appears that AT&T has finally done away with the 'mediaone.net' >> > domain, and now, e-mails to the GNHLUG list are bouncing to any >> > '@mediaone.net' address. >> >> Could also do a s/mediaone.net/attbi.com/ in the list file. >> This is the change that AT&T Broadband Internet (attbi) did. > >No, it isn't. Many former MediaOne subscribers had their accounts >renamed to avoid collisions with existing attbi.com accounts. Which is why I said: >>>>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, "pll" == [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> wrote: pll> If they really want to be on this list, they'll have to pll> re-sub with their new address, since it's not necessarilly pll> just a domain change. In many cases their username has pll> changed as well. :) -- Paul Lussier Senior Systems and Network Engineer Co-Chairman, Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group (GNHLUG) Chairman, Nashua Chapter GNHLUG http://www.gnhlug.org Events: http://www.gnhlug.org/lug_cal/month.php * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Question about resolve.conf
In a message dated: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:21:28 EST "Steven W. Orr" said: >I have dhcpcd set up so that it will not overwrite the resolve.conf on the >server. But conceivably, RCN is allowed to change the nameserver I use >every time a lease gets started. What I have been doing is to set the >resolv.conf on the client machine to be the same as the one on the server. >Is there a way for the resolv.conf on the client to query the server so >that the server will act on his behalf? I am *not* running a nameserver >since I am a dhcp client. Also, I did try setting the client resolv.conf >to point to the server's 192.168 address but it would not work. Is there a >way to do this? You could run a recursive, caching DNS server on your server system and have the DHCP server hand out it's own address as the DNS server to clients. Or, you could have the DHCP server hand out your local DNS server's IP to DHCP clients and have the DNS server, which would be authoritative for your zone only, refer to the recursive/caching server running on the DHCP server for all non-local queries. This separation would provide a modicum of security, since if your DNS server is hacked, they wouldn't get any local/internal information off of it wrt your network design. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What's the best way to optimize lithium-ion battery life?
In a message dated: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:18:07 EST Alex Hewitt USG said: >I'm expecting to buy a replacement battery (not cheap) and was wondering if >there's a better way to extend the life of the battery? I think perhaps a bett >er strategy for extended battery life might be to run off AC most of the time and >perhaps do a full power cycle once a month or so. Also of interest would be, what exactly do you do with the old batteries? They are recyclable, but where/how do you do this? -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux Success And Less
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:54:57 EST "Tom Buskey" said: >FWIW, Sun only uses solaris internally. That's not completely true, at least it wasn't a couple years ago, despite Scott McNealy's decree. I've known several different sales reps and SEs, all of whom went around with laptops running Windows. The sales/mktg groups all communicated via Outlook (not an exchange server though!) and used Office. Additionally, the VPN clients the sales/mktg people used to access the corporate net from the internet was a Windows client, therefore requiring a windows system. Of course, with the acquisition of Star Office, this may have all changed since then, and maybe now the laptops are all running Linux with SO. (one can hope, anyway :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux Success And Less
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:56:26 EST Martha Jo McCarthy said: >Hey there! > >My last request was a little vauge and narrow and I received >some good material but I need more. I thought I'd be more >specific and give it another shot. > >This is what just came down the wire to me from the VP. >If you have any input we can use it would be really, really appreciated. MJ, Can you explain a litte more about what your goals are here? What is being proposed? What is desired, etc. There are a lot of companies using Linux in various manners, and I'm aware of different companies using Linux for very specific things, and others for very general purposes. Maybe telling us more about who this VP is, and what he's looking for and *why* will help us provide you with the data you need. Thanks. -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Nore on spam
In a message dated: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:18:39 EST "Derek D. Martin" said: >On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 11:13:07AM -0500, Mark Komarinski wrote: >> Or can procmail do this? > >Procmail can do *anything* because you can use it to filter mail >through programs of your choosing. The question is, has anyone >written code to do this, and if not, are you willing to do it? > >FWIW I know of no programs that do this... but you might try searching >freshmeat or the other usual places. I'd actually be a little >surprised if someone hadn't already written this... There are some plug-in modules for procmail which do "weighting" of e-mail. If an e-mail scores some number of points, it's counted as spam, and redirected to a folder of your choosing (/dev/null *is* a valid folder :) There's also 'ifile' mentioned here the other day by Tom Buskey. I started looking at it yesterday, but got distracted with my adventures in Postfix :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Paul Lussier's mail is messed up
In a message dated: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:22:44 EST John Abreau said: >A few years ago I tried getting this working under sendmail, and I >eventually gave up on it; I never got it working. > >Recently I replaced sendmail with postfix, primarily for the enhanced >security (chrooted, non-privileged user), and found that the virtual >user table worked well right out of the box. I made the switch to Postfix this afternoon and had everything up and running within 15-20 minutes, and that *included* RTFM time! Unbelievable! I spend about 10 hours with sendmail trying to accomplish the same thing and failed! -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Paul Lussier's mail is messed up
In a message dated: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:59:07 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >I suspect you're logging in as user 'pll' instead of user 'plussier'. Ergo (I >think), you should use sendmail's virtual user table instead of masquerading. >(map 'pll' to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' in virtusertab). And I think there may > >be another table you should turn on (generics?) and use. > >If you really are logging in as plussier, then I give up. I am logging in as 'pll'. I've tried using both virtusertable and genericstable and can't seem to figure it out. I'm going to try and set this host up as a nullclient with a minimal config, and failing that, I'm going to move over to Postfix (since I've been meaning to look at it for sometime anyway :) Thanks, -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Paul Lussier's mail is messed up
In a message dated: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:36:42 EST Bayard Coolidge USG said: > >For those of you like Ed Robbins (and myself), trying to reply to >Paul Lussier's e-mails, please be advised that his proper e-mail >address is: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For whatever reason (although it's an interesting and amusing bug >for us to collaborate on using the list :-), it's shipping his e-mail >out with the wrong From/Reply-to headers. > >So, for now, ignore that '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' behind the curtain, >it's really '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' :-) Hmmm, I'm not sure what's going on here, but sendmail -bt says my name doesn't get re-written: > 3,1,10,4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] canonify input: plussier @ mindspring . com Canonify2 input: plussier < @ mindspring . com > Canonify2returns: plussier < @ mindspring . com . > canonify returns: plussier < @ mindspring . com . > 1 input: plussier < @ mindspring . com . > 1returns: plussier < @ mindspring . com . > 10 input: plussier < @ mindspring . com . > 10 returns: plussier < @ mindspring . com . > final input: plussier < @ mindspring . com . > finalreturns: plussier @ mindspring . com I've noticed differing behavior as well. Sometimes the Reply-to: and From: lines are re-written, and sometimes they're not. I can't seem to explain it. My sendmail.mc file looks like this: divert(0) define(`_USE_ETC_MAIL_')dnl include(`/usr/share/sendmail/sendmail.cf/m4/cf.m4')dnl VERSIONID(`@(#)sendmail.mc 8.9.3-21 (Debian) 2309') OSTYPE(`debian')dnl DOMAIN(`debian-mta')dnl LOCAL_CONFIG define(`SMART_HOST', `mail.mindspring.com') FEATURE(nocanonify)dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl FEATURE(allmasquerade) FEATURE(`masquerade_entire_domain') MASQUERADE_AS(mindspring.com) FEATURE(always_add_domain)dnl FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl FEATURE(use_ct_file)dnl FEATURE(`nouucp', `reject')dnl FEATURE(bestmx_is_local)dnl FEATURE(`smrsh')dnl define(`confME_TOO', True)dnl define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `4h') MAILER_DEFINITIONS MAILER(local)dnl MAILER(smtp)dnl Upon first glance, I don't see any problems, but then again, I don't claim to be a sendmail expert :) Anyone out there see anything blatantly wrong with this config? Points of interest: I'm using an intermittant, dial-up connection to my ISP, which mindspring.com (know owned by Earthlink, but the domain still exists). Also, I've manually set my Reply-to: and From: lines to be '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Please let me know if you see anything wrong with this, thanks. -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: More span discussion
In a message dated: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:59:31 EST Ed Robbins said: >Has anyone given a talk on Spam control? No, but I sure could use someone to give a talk at the April or May MELBA meetings! I hope this an offer to do so :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: More spam discussion
In a message dated: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:04:45 EST
Bayard Coolidge USG said:
>This morning, I had 54 new mail messages, 8 of which were spam.
>I was able to use a separate xterm window to cd into my 'inbox'
>directory, do an 'rm' of the offending messages, and then tell exmh to
>'rescan folder'.
I guess you're not aware of the Search->Pick method, huh?
Go to "Search->All messages in current folder (Pick)"
Select "Choose Pick Attribute" (Subject, From, To, Cc,ToCC, etc.)
Enter in the regex you want to "pick" out of the FTOC.
Click on Pick
You'll likely notice there's an "Or" button next to the attribute,
and an "--Or--" buttun *under* the attribute.
The one *next* to the attribute allows you to 'or' regexs *within*
that attribute, while the "--Or--" button underneath allows you to
'or' attributes. IOW, if you choose "Subject" as your attribute to
search on, you can "pick" out Subject lines of 'This subject' "Or"
'that other subject'.
The "--Or--" button allows you to "pick" messages which match
'This Subject' and "--Or--" it with another attribute. So you can
build up quite complex "or" statements like:
Pick all messages with a Subject line containing:
"Spam" or "Postmaster" or "Returned Mail"
--Or--
with a From line matching:
"plussier" or "pll" or "Paul Lussier"
--Or--
with a To line matching
"gnhlug@" or "gnhlug-org" or "twiki"
Assuming you need to "And" something, just pull down the
"Choose pick attribute" again:
Pick all messages which match:
Subject:"GNHLUG Christmas party" or "Dec 12th"
From: "pll" or "plussier"
To: "gnhlug" or "gnhlug-org"
When you're finished filling you your "pick" criteria, hit the "Pick"
button. This will select all the messages in that mailbox which match.
you can then hit 'delete' if you want to delete them all, or, if you
just match 700 messages and aren't sure you want to delete them all
for fear of accidently deleting something that matched, but isn't
really something you want to lose, hit the "New FTOC" button and exmh
with rescan the mail box using the "Pick" criteria.
(this is equivalent to using the command line:
scan `pick -from foo -or -from bar -and -subject foobar`
)
Well, that's much of what you can do with the "Pick" option.
Oh, by the way, did you know that you don't have to use the mouse to
navigate folders? If your exmh window has focus, then hit the '+'
sign. In the middle of the window you should see the words "Change
Folder:" appear. You can now begin entering the name of a folder.
The space bar performs folder name completion.
Well, that's my exmh tutorial for the day.
Hope it was helpfule :)
--
Seeya,
Paul
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Re: Linux Based Successes
In a message dated: 27 Feb 2002 12:15:03 EST "Ken D'Ambrosio" said: >> That, combined with the fact that MCLX is essentially ceasing to >> exist as we know it as of 6 March 2000, leads me to wonder if that >> qualifies as "success" story :) > >Oh, my... I'd been wondering what the story was. Well, at least you've >got your time machine to help you out! Whoops :) That should have been 2002. Regardless, I'm still out of work :( * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
New e-mail address
For those of you who care, I will no longer be able to be reached at my old, MCLX-related e-mail address after today. If you need to get in touch with me for what ever reason, please use my home e-mail address (which I'm *NOT* going to list here for fear of web-crawlers which may get it from the archives!) If you don't already have my home e-mail address, any number of people on this list can provide it, or you can get it from the majordomo server yourself. -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux Based Successes
In a message dated: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:58:04 EST Martha Jo McCarthy said: >I am on a quest! A very important quest. > >I am researching the use of Linux in small to mid-sized companies (50-150 >users) in the region, particularly NH. What I need most is to find companies >where Linux has been successfully implemented on desktops of end users, not >just on servers. I need as many success stories I can get, and any contact >information would be beautiful. > >This is a noble cause worthy even of Miracle Max. I figured GNHLUG was a >good start. Well, at one point MCLX had roughly 60-70 people with Linux on their "desktops". The caveat is that it was mostly engineer types who were incredibly technical (kernel hacker technical). That, combined with the fact that MCLX is essentially ceasing to exist as we know it as of 6 March 2000, leads me to wonder if that qualifies as "success" story :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Amusing "Skills required" job posting
I came across a job posting which has an "interesting" (to say the least), set of desired skills: Demonstrated ability in one or more of the following areas: search, surveillance, tracking, target classification, discrimination, ECCM, Space Time Adaptive Processing, digital beam forming, antenna/receiver/signal processing analysis. Experience with SPY-1 and a solid understanding of Aegis Weapon System preferred. Working knowledge of MS Office tools desired. Maybe it's me, but I just don't see where that last skill set has much relevance to the job they're looking for :) I can operate the SPY-1 and I know a little about Aegis, but I won't qualify if I don't know MS Office ! ;) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: `tar` question
In a message dated: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:29:31 EST "Jerry Feldman" said: >Remember that ssh will add a significant overhead. More or less than the overhead of NFS? The nice thing with tar is that if you have a pretty hefty CPU in the local system, you can run it though gzip and compress it *before* sending the data across the network. With NFS, you don't really have that option. -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Suspending process started in a new X terminal window
In a message dated: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:04:22 EST Michael O'Donnell said: >Signals, process groups, sessions, orphans, >controlling terminals, etc. Here Be Dragons. > >As an experiment, I'd suggest trying the exact >same scenarios but with vim instead of pine, >and then with xterm instead I tried that and got exactly the same behavior Ben described! -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Audrey Hacking
Does anyone know anything about this, and if so, can you tell me where to begin? I just got one of these things yesterday (a gift) and have gone to audreyhacking.com, but the documentation there seems to be far less abundant than what I'm used to in the Linux world :( If you don't know what I'm talking about, just delete this e-mail ;) Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Suspending process started in a new X terminal window
In a message dated: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:01:39 EST Benjamin Scott said: >Hey folks, > > I use GNOME. I have a few icons on my panel set to spawn processes in a >terminal window. The commands look something like this: > > gnome-terminal -e 'pine -i' I believe that wben you use -e, you're exec'ing the process and thereby *replacing* any shell that may have existed beforehand. It would be the same as if you did: gnome-terminal 'bash' exec pine > The problem is, when I hit [CTRL]+[Z] in any of these windows, the >foreground process suspends, but I do not get a shell prompt. The process >just hangs, and I basically have to nuke the window. I'm surprised it even suspends. CtrlZ is a shell interupt, isn't it? If there's no shell to interupt, the you shouldn't have anything happen! For example, when I do: xterm -e vi Then try and hit CtrlZ, nothing happens at all! > I have tried things like this: > > gnome-terminal -e 'bash --login -i -c pine -i' > >but get the same behavior. However, if I do this: > > gnome-terminal -e 'bash' > >and then start 'pine' from the shell prompt, job control works fine. Right, because you're not "exec'ing" pine, you're running it from within the shell. Therefore you have job control. > I get the same behavior for any program I have tried, not just Pine. I Makes perfect sense to me. > Normally, I just open new windows, but I'm so used to hitting [CTRL]+[Z] >to get back to the prompt that sometimes my fingers type it before my >conscious mind can remember not to, and I lose my Pine session (or >whatever). > > Anyone have any ideas on what I can do to fix this? Don't hit CtrlZ :) Though, really, I don't understand why it's even causing you a problem. I've tried everything you've said, and CtrlZ has no affect at all on the program I run via: -e other than to just beep at me. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
MELBA meeting next Wednesday, 27 Feb 2002, 19:00ish
Short version: Where: Martha's Exchange, 2nd floor What: Heckle Ben while he tries to get a wireless lan working (with my help, and anyone else who wants to show up with a laptop) Why:This is suspected to be relatively interesting and educational Fall-back plan: Sit around and drink beer (and heckle Ben) Dinner: 18:00ish, rsvp to 'plussier at mindspring dot com' Long version: I couldn't find anyone to speak, and I did my best with my completely impromptu exmh talk last month, so Ben and I decided it would be fun to try and get a laptop wireless LAN working in ad hoc mode. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Amanda Howto?
In a message dated: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:15:29 EST Rich Payne said: >I for one, think this would be an excellent topic for a meeting. Amanda is >one of the things that's been on my list to learn for quite a while now. > >Now, seeing as you seem fairly well versed in it Paul. Yeah, Rob Lembree's been after me for quite a while to do something like this. I'll see what I can put together at some point and maybe we'll schedule that for April's meeting. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: KDE/GNOME Customization?
In a message dated: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:44:59 EST "Tom Buskey" said: >You can customize the keys & mouse buttons in control center -> sawfish >-> shortcuts. I use middle mouse button on the title to raise/lower, >F7 to iconify, etc. > >I don't use the menus but I bet if you dig into it, there is a way to do >it from shortcuts. You can set it to pop the apps menu or the main >menu (the foot). Yeah, I knew that. I want completely customized menus though, and I can't figure out how to do that. Maybe it's time to join the sawfish mailing list! -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: GPG and different mailers
In a message dated: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:09:47 EST Michael O'Donnell said: >I sincerely believe that PGP-signed email messages have a >legitimate use. No, I'm serious! I really do. I will >probably someday send or receive a message about which >(with a straight face) I can say, "Yep!! that there >was one IMPORTANT message - I sure am glad I had some >serious encryption befitting its significance." And I'll >probably transmit it as a MIME-encoded, TNEF-garbled, >RichText-enhanced thing of beauty with a redundant HTML >version attached, too, just to celebrate the occasion. >And I'll ROT13 the headers - yeah! that's the ticket! To all on this list, please note that the above was NOT in fact composed or sent by Michael O'Donnell. Some imposter has hijacked his e-mail address and spoofed the headers. Had this *really* come from 'mod', we'd have a GPG signature to authenticate this message with. Please disregard all mail sent from this imposter in the future, as real 'mod' postings will be easily identifiable and authenticated. :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: KDE/GNOME Customization?
In a message dated: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:40:31 EST "Tom Buskey" said: >>I use Sawfish daily on 4 different systems, and I haven't written a >>lick of lisp. :) >> > >I've been using sawfish on Solaris 7, Solaris 8, and Mandrake for over >a year. I didn't know there was a .sawfishrc. I've been able to >customize everything through the control center just fine. Okay, then can you explain where I'm supposed to edit the root menu contents? I want to map mouse buttons 1-3 to diffent menus, the contents of which are defined by me. The menu editor doesn't seem to allow for any other menu customization than the "Foot" menu (and for some stupid reason I need to be root to do that!). -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: GPG and different mailers
In a message dated: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:48:32 EST John Abreau said: >Aside from the enhanced colorizing of reply text, what else has changed >since exmh 2.4? Nothing to my knowledge. Though I'm sure there's a changelog at Brent's site if you're really interested. There were probably bug-fixes as well. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Okay, this is just too amusing :)
There's a "Disco Tux" plugin for xmms, where Tux "dances" to the music! For those on debian, you can just apt-get install wm-discotux. Others can grab the source from: http://wmdiscotux.stc.cx/ Supposedly RH includes this in their distro, but I've never seen it. (It's really funny to watch Tux "head bangin'" to Joe Satriani :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
KDE/GNOME Customization?
Hi all, Would anyone be interested in giving a talk on either KDE or GNOME customization? It seems there's only so much you can do with the GUI, and if you want to go past that, you need to be able to dig into various files. Using the Sawmill window manager, for example, seems to require writing some lisp code in the .sawfishrc file. Does anyone know how to get this stuff to work to be able to demo it to the group? Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: GPG and different mailers
In a message dated: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:04:38 EST
Bayard Coolidge USG said:
>because Paul is running Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 instead of
>version 2.5 07/13/2001 like I am (on Tru64 UNIX, BTW...)
Ironically, I'm not. At home I really *am* using 2.5 (2.4 at work).
I don't know why the Exmh version says 2.2, it's not:
$ grep -i version exmh | grep set
set exmh(version) {version 2.5 07/13/2001}
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God Bless America!
If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right!
...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around,
and we never stop trying to be better.
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For the truly paranoid among us
In case you haven't wandered over to /. in the last 10 minutes, here's a link to "Tin Hat Linux": http://tinfoilhat.cultists.net/ Too cool, gotta play with this :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: KDE Question
In a message dated: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:32:11 EST Charles G Montgomery said: >When apps are iconified, they show up on the panel at the bottom of the >screen. That's its default location; it can be changed. From there >they can be maximized, closed, moved to a different desktop,... Righ, I got rid of that portion of the panel. In general, I hate panels, and mine is as small as possible. I'd rather have apps "iconfy" to the desktop if they're going to go anywhere. Any idea how to do that? >There are a lot of customization options in the "Control Center", >particularly under the "Look & Feel" section. I looked there, but couldn't find anything that specified that inconified apps should really be iconified. >Feel free to email me if you have KDE-specific questions that might not >be Of General Interest. I'm running KDE2.2.2, but there aren't huge >variations between versions. Thanks. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: X windows fails to start (I beleive)
Do you have something trying to start 'wine' at boot time? If so, I recommend disabling that and seeing if that solves the problem. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: KDE Question
In a message dated: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:24:38 EST "Steven W. Orr" said: >kstart --window gkrellm --alldesktops --ontop --skiptaskbar /usr/bin/xmms Gee, *that's* intuitive! Err, what's with the '--window gkrellm' option? What's a gkrellm? Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: KDE Question
In a message dated: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:21:40 EST "truffle" said: >You've probably noticed by now that XMMS has an option "Do >not hide Window Manager decorations." By applying that >option, then at the W/M drop-down menu in the border you can >toggle "sticky." (This is true using GNOME anyway.) Aha! Unfortunately, I can't seem to have it both "sticky" *and* without WM decorations :( Once again, I'm convinced that fvwm2 is the better window manager :) Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: KDE Question
In a message dated: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:57:01 EST "Matthew J. Brodeur" said: > I haven't used KDE in a while, but... You don't seem to be missing much :) >> - I have xmms playing, but it's only in one of my workspaces. Since it >>has no borders, I don't seem to be able to make it "sticky" > > XMMS has its own Sticky option. Hit CTL+S with the XMMS window >focused, or select "Sticky" from the options menu. IIRC, this used to >work with KDE 1.x. Yeah, I know, and KDE isn't honoring it. I have XMMS's sticky option enabled and it's not being sticky :( -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
KDE Question
Hi all, I'm mucking about with KDE (KDE2 I think). I'm having a little trouble figuring out how to accomplish certain tasks. For example: - I have xmms playing, but it's only in one of my workspaces. Since it has no borders, I don't seem to be able to make it "sticky" - I have the "Desktop Pager" running, but want to get rid of the decorations, but that doesn't seem to be an option anywhere - The desktop pager seems to be unconfigurable wrt rows and columns. I seem to only be able to get 1 row x X columns of workspaces. How can I configure this, or, is there a better desktop pager available? - When I "iconify" apps, I expect to see icons, hence the term "iconify", but I don't, the apps just seem to disappear, and are only accessible again through the WinList applet. - I have mouse button-3 (the right one) configured as "Custom Menu 1", but can't seem to figure out how to "Customize" it and add apps to it, any ideas? Thanks, -- Seeya, Paul (who, after playing with sawfish yesterday and KDE today, is more convinced than ever that fvwm2 is far better and easier to configure than either! :) e * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Satelite systems
In a message dated: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:53:18 EST Benjamin Scott said: > We don't normally think of TCP as an interactive application. Believe me, >when you've got latency like that, it is. Web browsing is agonizing. >Forget anything like Telnet, SSH, IRC, VoIP, etc. > > Also, the service is very heavily centered around MS-Windows, and they do >some goofy things with routing (like hand out default routes which are >unreachable without manual routing table updates). So what I'm hearing is, stay with dial-up :( Okay, next question then, anyone have any ideas on how to get Verizon or AT&T to get off their collective behinds and get either DSL or cable-modem access into a town? I currently can not get either service (local CO is *not* equipped for DSL by *anyone* and AT&T is not offering cable modem access in my town, which is a former cablevision town!). Seeya, Paul (who is starving for high-speed internet access) * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Satelite systems
Hey, With all the talk about about DSL throughput, I'm wondering if anyone out there has any experience with either Dish Network's or DirecTV's satellite internet connectivity offerings. Evidently DirecTV is partnering with the likes of Earthlink, and they're offering *seems* cheaper than Dish Network's. They advertise 400K down/128K up with 1/2 second of latency. How does that compare with DSL/Cable modem? (I know it beats my 56K dialup :) The down side is that it costs a little more than I want it to: $399up front satellite dish cost $199installation costs $69.95/monthservice charge Currently I'm paying $21.95/month for 56K dial-up service + $23.xx for a second phone line. So even after the up front costs of buying a dish and installation, I'd still be paying $25/month more than I am now :( Of course, $25/month extra would probably be worth it for the "always on" capability. Does anyone have satellite access out there? If so, what do you think about it? -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Port Vs. Vulnerability scanners (was Re: Network diagram information)
In a message dated: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:33:54 EST "Kenneth E. Lussier" said: >Nessus can do nasty things to a system, and to a network as a whole if >it isn't used correctly, wisely, and carefully. Oh, didn't know that. >> Can you explain a little more about the differences > >Nessus, on the other hand, is a vulnerability scanner. As part of it's >process, it performs a port scan to see what is open. Nessus has the >ability to use Nmap as it's plug-in port scanner. Port scaning is just >the first step. It scans for open ports, then once it knows what is >open, it checks the services that are running. For example, if it >finds port 21 open, it will check to see of an ftp server is actually >running on that port, and if so, which one. It will then attempt to >exploit holes in the given service (buffer overflows, file >permissions, anonymous exploits, etc.). If it finds holes, it will >tell you what the problems are, and most times, it will tell you how >to fix them. Ohh! H, sounds like fun at the very least, but you're right, not the right tool for what I was suggesting :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Sorta OT, but I'm stuck...
In a message dated: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:28:23 EST Jack Hodgson said: >I confess that permissions is an aspect of linux/unix that >I've always been a little fuzzy on, so I spent last night trying to >learn more on that. But I'm not there yet. For are really in depth discussion on UNIX permissions, check out the Evi Nemeth book, "The UNIX System Administration Handbook". I can probably give you a quick overview though, that should clear up the basics of it. There are 3 combinations of permissions: Read Write Execute These can be applied to files or directories. When applied to directories, they have the following meanings: ReadYou can "read" the contents of the directory Write You can add/edit/delete contents of the directory, provided the permissions of the file are in agreement Execute You can 'cd' into the directory If the permission on a directory have Execute set, but not Read, you can 'cd' into the directory, but you can't look at the contents. There are 3 "owners" to which the 3 permissions apply: UserThe owner of the files Group The "group" owner of the files, or "group" of people who may (or may not) be allowed access to the files. Other Everyone else who's not the owner and not a member of the "group" The combination of 3 permissions with the 3 "owners" provides 9 possible permission "bits" which can be set, and therefore translated into binary representation: r-- Read100 = 400 = 4 -w- Write 010 = 020 = 2 --x Execute 001 = 001 = 1 rwx 111 = 421 = 7 Therefore, when all 3 permission "bits" are set on a file for one of the 3 owners, it is said to be set to '7'. Common "binary" settins are 644 rw-r--r-- 755 rwxr-xr-x 711 rwx--x--x 444 r--r--r-- Each number is nothing more than a sum of the "bits" for that group. With combinations of these basic permissions, you can pretty much grant or deny access to/from anyone you need. Some of the more esoteric "permissions" are the "Sticky Bit", the "Set UID Bit" and the "Set GID" bit. The sticky bit is hardly used anymore, but does occasionally come in handy. It's traditional meaning no longer has any use, so I won't go into it. Nowadays it's used in places like /var/spool/mail to allow each person access to their own mailbox file, but prevent people from deleting any file that's not their own. The SUID and SGID bits are used for similar things. The SUID bit allows someone to execute a file *as if* they were the owner. The SGID bit allows someone to execute a file *as if* they were in the group. Unless it's on a directory, in which case it forces the permissions of all files and directories within to be the same as that of the parent directory. For example, if I have a directory "foo" with the following permissions: drwxr-x---6 pll eng 8192 Feb 6 12:20 foo and I want all subsequent directories and files created within foo to have the same permissions as foo itself, I would add the SGID bit to the directory: > chmod 6750 foo > ls -ld foo drwxr-s---6 pll eng 8192 Feb 6 12:20 foo Note the permissions we set to *6* 750, not just 750. The 6 adds SGID capability (and, consequently, 4 sets SUID capability). So, now, anyone in the 'eng' group who creates a file or directory within 'foo', will do so and maintain the 'foo' permissions: > ls -l > ls -la total 16 drwsr-s---2 pll pll 4096 Feb 15 13:03 ./ drwxr-xr-x 97 pll pll 12288 Feb 15 13:02 ../ -rw-rw1 pll pll 0 Feb 15 13:03 foo1 > mkdir foo2 > ls -la total 20 drwsr-s---3 pll pll 4096 Feb 15 13:03 ./ drwxr-xr-x 97 pll pll 12288 Feb 15 13:02 ../ -rw-rw1 pll pll 0 Feb 15 13:03 foo1 drwxrws--x2 pll pll 4096 Feb 15 13:03 foo2/ Notice that the file 'foo1' has permissions set to 660, yet the directory has permissions of 6771. That's my 'umask' is set to '006'. So, that, combined with the SGID bit sets all files to 660, unless it's a directory, then it turns on the 'x' bit so everyone can at least 'cd' inside. Much more information can be gleened from the Evi Nemeth book, and the 'chmod' and 'umask' man pages. I hope that helped! -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. T
Re: Sorta OT, but I'm stuck...
In a message dated: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:43:03 EST "Rich C" said: >Also, do you have mod_perl compiled/loaded in Apache? Is mod_perl required for this? I thought he just wanted to be able to exec perl scripts as CGIs? -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Interesting Newbie article at CentraLUG.org
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:54:38 EST Ray Bowles said: >Somebody keeps saying it's been done this way for 30 >years...Well maybe it's time to update SOME things. Ray, you seem to have completely misunderstood everything everyone has said, at least on this side of the argument. This guy came saying he was looking for something which we told him doesn't exist. At no point did anyone say that "This is the way it's been for 30 years, and that's the way it has to be forever!" Not once! We have pointed out the long history of why Linux is the way it is, how it got to be that way, and pointed to several alternatives which fit *all* the criteria this person was asking for, just not necessarilly in the nice neat little package he requested it in. What he asked for just simply doesn't exist. That doesn't mean it can't or it won't, just that it doesn't now. And, chances are, you won't get many veteran UNIX users to work on such a project. Why? Because we don't need it and we have better things to do with our time. If this thing comes about at all, it will be because those who need it decide to band together and develop it themselves, just like everything else that already exists in the Free/Open Source software world. We are not at all against welcoming new people to the Linux community. Quite the contrary, we welcome with open arms. But we also warn them, this isn't Windows, this isn't point 'n' click, and you're likely to spend many hours with a computer that does nothing more than power on, so get ready for the learning roller-coaster ride of your life. What we do not welcome is people coming in and telling us that because something *they* want should be welcomed by everyone and that we should all get excited about *their* ideas because *they* want it! Sorry, life doesn't work that way. I'm sorry some people have a problem reading a book. I'm sorry some people get frustrated with the fact that Linux isn't as easy to use as Windows *appears* to be. But unless you're willing to learn using the *currently* available methods, then stop your whining. We've told you that what you're asking for doesn't exist, we've told you what *does* exist, and we've offered more than once to help you understand those things you're having trouble on. What more do you want? Sorry for the rant, but your stubborness and obtuseness are beginning to get to me. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: End of Frustrated Newbie thread?!
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:40:25 EST rabnud said: >I only ask (and want to see) that this OS can be ready to educate them, >if anyone in the community is willing to help. >I can''t (yet) write this, and I would if I could; it needs a majority >vote and a collaborative effort to proceed from here on. Without further >prompting, I''m presently dropping the concept right here. I''ll be >watching, but no longer promoting it, since everyone goes wacky over how >I am such a slacker for not buying books. Well, I disagree with your general impression of this thread, however, I'd like to point out that most free software was created by someone scratching their own itch. They had a need for something, they solved the problem themselves (you know the old adage, you want something done right, do it yourself, well they did.) You may not be capable of writing whatever it is you think you need now, but you seem to be the only one who understands what is you want. So I advise you to dig in and start designing this project. At least write the documentation you think you need, maybe someone will come along and help you write the program side of things. You never learn as much about something until you need to teach someone else about. So start figuring out what you need to learn and write it all down. Feel free to ask questions of us, we'll answer. Start the project and see who joins you, is the best advice I can provide. >Oh, one more thing... Midnight Commander is open source, no? Can this >idea start by gutting MC? I believe it is open source, you might be able to start there. Good luck, -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux copied Solaris (NOT)
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:42:00 EST Benjamin Scott said: >Most things have de facto standards, but a few do not. >In my case, "mt" comes to mind :-) You know, you really ought to merge them all into a "Super-mt" command :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:30:43 EST Benjamin Scott said: > While I think you are generally right, in Red Hat's defense, even in large >"enterprise environments", your average desktop workstation can generally be >shutdown by the user using it. Or do you encase all your workstations in >safes under the floor like Paul Iadonisi does? ;-) Well, short of hitting the power buttons, normal users couldn't shutdown a Sun box last time I checked. Of course when Sun hw quality went into the sewer with the Ultra5/10 line of desktops, they put that damn "suspend" button on the front, which made people think it was okay to shut the power off. I never had a user shut off a Sparc workstation, they were usually well trainied enough to know that was bad. With Linux, people are used to shutting off PCs by just hitting the power button. They don't seem to realize this is a Bad Thing(tm). -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Humor: NT and security
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:20:17 EST "Rich C" said: >Which is why I disable floppy and CD booting in the BIOS, and password >protect the BIOS setup. Still not safe, but why make it easy? Which is why "Security" is really the art of keeping honest people honest, and making dishonest people work long and hard enough for you to catch them and prevent too much damage :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Console security (was: Humor: NT and security)
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:06:09 EST Benjamin Scott said: > Red Hat's take on this is that the user logged in at the console of a >personal workstation should have the right to shut it down. As Derek and I have been heard to complain about many times, RH's biggest problem seems to be that they don't have any professional sysadmins working for them who have a clue about how things are done in large enterprise environments! :( -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux copied Solaris (NOT)
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:48:58 EST Benjamin Scott said: > For that case, your problem is your background. The command you provide >uses BSD syntax. Solaris is a based on System V, not BSD. Try "ps -ef" >instead. You will have this problem on any SysV-based system. Quite true. HP-UX and True64 used the same syntax IIRC. I'm pretty impressed with how Linux handles this though, if you use -elf, you get the SysV behavior. If you use 'aux' you get the BSD behavior. It seems that options preceded by a '-' are SysV and without are BSD. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Terminal Question
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:34:51 EST "Mansur, Warren" said: >how can I make sure that the delete key will always work when I log in to >the various machines? Is it something to do with stty? Yes, usually 'stty -erase ^H' will do the trick, or 'stty -erase ^?' >Also, while I'm at it, can someone point me to a good place to learn about re- >mapping my keys to do something useful (Example: re-mapping CapsLock to Ctrl), Well, for X, you can do this one of 2 ways: - either set up the X server with the option: XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps" - use xmodmap I have a script in my ~/bin dir that does: swap-caps #!/bin/sh xmodmap $HOME/bin/swap-caps.xmodmap swap-caps.xmodmap: ! Swap Caps_Lock & Control_L remove Lock = Caps_Lock remove Control = Control_L keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L add Lock = Caps_Lock add Control = Control_L This was blatantly stolen from 'man xmodmap' To swap caps and control on the console out side of X, man keymap. I haven't done this in a long, long time, but I think what I did was figure out which keymap was the default for my system, then copied it to my home directory and edited it, swapping caps for control. Then I added a clause to my .profile that said: if [ console == 'tty' ] then use ~/my.keymap.gz fi obviously it's a little more complicated, but not much. I only did this on my laptop, so I'll try and dig this out when I get home tonight and repost exactly what I did. > and even setting some of my keys to be 'macro' keys (Example: Hit F10 and > then some long convoluded command gets executed that usually I have to type over > and over)? This is usually done through the window manager. I have Ctrl-X set to launch an xterm, for example. Other things run scripts for me. Hope that helps. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux copied Solaris (NOT)
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:02:22 EST "Mansur, Warren" said: >My biggest complaint is that half the tools, such as 'ps', 'tar', etc . >. ., only seem to accept half as many options as other UNIX platforms, >so I always have learn two versions of each command -- one for all >UNIXes except Sun, and Sun. Example: try tying 'ps aux' on Sun and see >what happens. I actually prefer ps -elf to aux. Maybe it's because I spent far too long in the Sun ;) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux copied Solaris (NOT)
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:02:22 EST "Mansur, Warren" said: >My biggest complaint is that half the tools, such as 'ps', 'tar', etc . >. ., only seem to accept half as many options as other UNIX platforms, >so I always have learn two versions of each command -- one for all >UNIXes except Sun, and Sun. Example: try tying 'ps aux' on Sun and see >what happens. It actually works just fine provided you have /usr/bsd/bin or something like that in your path. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux copied Solaris (NOT)
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:41:10 EST Rich Payne said: >It's good to know I'm not the only one who thinks that. I quite often >think that Sun, in laying out the file system not only used some random >path generator, but also made sure the file was not in the same place as >any other UNIX variant. You're close, that's actually where Solaris and Linux meet, they used Linux's /dev/random to compute the path placement of things ;) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Linux copied Solaris (NOT)
Amusingly, this morning I found myself reviewing the first chapter of the forthcoming Evi Nemeth, et. al, book, The Linux System Administration Handbook, and I came across this paragraph: ...the differences between UNIX and Linux are largely unimportant from the perspective of users and system admin-istrators. In fact, Linux systems generally behave more like traditional UNIX systems than do oddball UNIX variants such as Sun's Solaris. In light of that quote -rdp offered from Ed Zander at Sun yesterday, I found this particularly funny :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: ssh and security
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:18:58 EST "Joshua S. Freeman" said: >Speaking of which, is there a how-to somewhere that instructs one how to >harden sendmail by disabling VRFY and EXPN ? Sure: - check the sendmail README file that comes with the source - check sendmail.org - check "The UNIX System Administration Handbook" by Nemeth, et. al -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Humor: NT and security
[by Brian, no last name given] Them: Important user, NT box, lost admin password, sad, sad, sad. Me: No problem, change password with magic linux disk, offline NT password editor. Them: No, no, no. Never work. NT secure. Get real. Me: Watch. (reboot) Them: Gasp! This floppy is dangerous! Where did you get it? Me: Internet. Been around forever. Them: How do we keep students from using this? Me: Can't. Migrate. Linux. Mac. Them: No, no, no. Just make NT safe. Me: Can't. NT inherently unsafe. Them: Must be safe. NT good. We have never seen problems. Me: You just saw one now. Them: No, no, no. NT good. Win2k better. Me: Win2k is NT. Same thing. Should I give this floppy to a student? Them: No, no, no. Give here. Me: Whatever. What do you want me to do? Them: Change admin password. Me: Fine. To what? Them: "p-a-s-s-w-o-r-d" Me: No, no, no. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Interesting Newbie article at CentraLUG.org
In a message dated: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:23:50 EST "Derek D. Martin" said: >And how could I forget to mention Evi Nemeth's wonderful "Unix System >Administration Handbook" which now covers Linux (but focuses on Red >Hat). She will soon be releasing a Linux-specific version of the book >as well, though it's still being reviewed now, so it may be a while >before it's out. :) Actually they're pushing for a March release date. I have the last chapter for review in my hands, and it needs to go back tomorrow :) We'll see. It promises to be the best version to date of this age old favorite! -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Remote X problem (Linux to SCO Unix)
In a message dated: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:29:51 CST Thomas Charron said: > Alrighty then. It's one of two things then. Either the XDM login is >handling autolanching of apps, or Exceeed is setup to automatically log them >in, and start up the remote applications. Either is valid. If within Exceed, To my knowledge neither XDM nor Exceed can do this. Upon login, either will invoke your .xsession (or is it .xinitrc?) file. If that is configured to start up apps, then that's where it's happening. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Remote X problem (Linux to SCO Unix)
In a message dated: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:00:51 PST Vince McHugh said: >> What error do you get at this point? > >The error I get when I type xterm & or xclock & is >"error: can't open display" I don't have your original post, but I seem to remember you doing something like: export DISPLAY=something:1 Are you sure you're using :1? :1 would be some other server, other than the default running on that host. I think, but maybe wrong, that you really want to to use :0, not :1. But, like I said, I don't have your original post, and therefore can't go back to see what you're actually trying to do. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RH 7.2 bash 2.05.8(1) whacked?
In a message dated: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:01:32 PST "Karl J. Runge" said: >Sorry, I wasn't clear. Just a nit: I only meant 'export FOO=bar' is >bash specific. Some people work only on Linux where sh -> bash, but in >a heterogeneous environment it could make a difference... (no sh wars pls). O, sorry. Yeah, the 'export FOO=bar' is a holdover from my ksh days. I never actually think of that as a bash thing, rather a ksh thing that happens to work in bash :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RH 7.2 bash 2.05.8(1) whacked?
In a message dated: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:43:46 EST Benjamin Scott said: >On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote: >> The problem is that Red Hat, and probably other vendors, have changed the >> default locale. > > Expect this problem to get worse as more and more of the three billion or >so non-English-speaking people in the world begin using computers. > > Personally, I expect it to get much worse before it gets any better. >Wait until Unicode superceeds ASCII, and suddenly all the C programs that >assume one character == one byte stop working. I expect Unicode to supercede ASCII about the same time IPv6 supercedes IPv4. Actually, to make the transition go smoothly, they will probably implement both simultaneously. I expect to pushing up daisies long before either happen. But then again, I expected to be doing that long before the Patriots ever won a Super Bowl. Maybe I ought not to speak so soon :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RH 7.2 bash 2.05.8(1) whacked?
In a message dated: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:43:32 PST "Karl J. Runge" said: >That's not as portable as what Derek wrote. That may be so, but unless you're outside the US, or non-English speaking, how much would that matter? I've always had LANG=C, and I've never needed to change anything. Can you give an example where this would be limiting for someone who speaks english within the US? -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RH 7.2 bash 2.05.8(1) whacked?
In a message dated: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:19:21 EST "Derek D. Martin" said: >LANG=en_US >LC_COLLATE=C >export LANG LC_COLLATE Couldn't you just: export LANG=C ? -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RH 7.2 bash 2.05.8(1) whacked?
In a message dated: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:12:44 EST Rodent of Unusual Size said: >Something seems *really* whacked out with bash wildcards. Did you check your LANG setting? Make sure it's 'C'. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Credit Protection
--- Begin Message --- Thought you might all be interested in this. We often talk about security with respect to computers and networks, but most people never pay attention to their own personal security. Seeya, Paul Place the contents of your wallet on a photocopy machine. Do both sides of each license, credit card, etc., so you will know what you had in your wallet and all of the account numbers and phone numbers to call to cancel. Keep the photo- copy in a safe place. A corporate attorney sent this out to the employees in his company. I pass it along, for your information. We've all heard horror stories about fraud that's committed using your name, address, SS#, credit, etc. Unfortunately I (the author of this piece who happens to be an attorney) have firsthand knowledge, because my wallet was stolen last month and within a week the thieves ordered an expensive monthly cell phone package, applied for a VISA credit card, had a credit line approved to buy a Gateway computer, received a PIN number from DMV to change my driving record information online, and more. But here's some critical information to limit the damage in case this happens to you or someone you know. As everyone always advises, cancel your credit cards immediately, but the key is having the toll free numbers and your card numbers handy so you know whom to call. Keep those where you can find them easily. File a police report immediately in the jurisdiction where it was stolen, this proves to credit providers you were diligent, and is a first step toward an investigation (if there ever is one). But here's what is perhaps most important: (I never ever thought to do this) - Call the three national credit reporting organizations immediately to place a fraud alert on your name and SS#. I had never heard of doing that until advised by a bank that called to tell me an application for credit was made over the Internet in my name. The alert means any company that checks your credit knows your information was stolen and they have to contact you by phone to authorize new credit. By the time I was advised to do this, almost two weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done. There are records of all the credit checks initiated by the thieves' purchases, none of which I knew about before placing the alert. Since then, no additional damage has been done, and the thieves threw my wallet away this weekend (someone turned it in). It seems to have stopped them in their tracks. The numbers are: Equifax: 1-800-525-6285 Experian (formerly TRW): 1-888-397-3742 Trans Union: 1-800-680-7289 Social Security Administration (fraud line): 1-800-269-0271 We pass along jokes; we pass along just about everything. Do think about passing this information along. It could really help a friend or someone in your family! --- End of Forwarded Message --- End Message ---
Re: Configuring X
In a message dated: 02 Feb 2002 19:27:50 EST Derek said: >> Red Hat's current Xconfigurator >> In the past, Debian users have told me the easiest way to configure >> X on Debian is to install Red Hat and save their XF86Config file. ;-) Debian's deb-conf does a great job of configuring X as well. I only needed to make minor mods to my config file for my 1600SW. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Need to convert Latex to F*&@!$g Word format
In a message dated: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:52:09 EST "Steven W. Orr" said: >Anyone know if this is at all possible? I believe it is, but you might need to go to some intermediary format first list rtf or something. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Just for Fun... From LinuxWorld
In a message dated: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:20:21 EST "Derek D. Martin" said: >Yeah, but can it play Quake? =8^) Actually, it could. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: uptime is a drug
In a message dated: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:12:32 EST Benjamin Scott said: >On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Jack Hodgson wrote: >> I've just set up my first linux box (FYI I'm the guy who came to the >> Seacoast meeting this past month saying I was gonna put linux on a Mac >> Quadra. Well I did it!), and I'm kinda amused at how I'm unwilling to do >> a particular bit of system maintenance because it involves shutting down >> the machine, and I like seeing my uptime stats get bigger. > > LOL! I know exactly what you mean. I've been putting off installing USB >support on my desktop here at work. When I built my kernel, I did not >include USB support, because I didn't have any USB devices. Well, now I do, >but I need to reboot to activate the new kernel. It is such a bummer. I know how you feel, here's the uptime for my backup server: 1:58pm up 115 days, 52 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Unfortunately, it had one of the 2 holding drives fail about 90 days ago, but I don't want to ruin that uptime just to replace a disk :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: .forward
In a message dated: 28 Jan 2002 12:10:11 EST "R. Sean Hartnett" said: >I also believe in keeping it simple, and usually do if able. >A friend asked me if it was possible to setup .forward as such, so I >asked here. I could not recall how. But my friend is not going to do >anything with procmail or anything else. Make sure that the permissions on the home directory are no more open than 755 and that the .forward no more open than 644 otherwise sendmail will complain that it's unsafe. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: .forward
In a message dated: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:59:32 EST Benjamin Scott said: >On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Paul Lussier wrote: >> Quite true, but what if you only want *some* mail forwarded, and only >> *some* mail stored? > > Then, presumably, the OP would have said so. :-) > > However, it also means we tend to turn mole-hills into mountains. > The result is, people who are getting started (with email, with Linux, > with computers, with whatever) get a ton of complexity shoved down their > throat all at once, resulting in information overload. > > Moral being: A simple question deserves a simple answer, when possible. I'd like to point out that I provided both the exact answer he was looking for, *and* a pointer that procmail did both what he was looking for and a whole lot more, which provided him the option to go look at it *if* he so chose *after* implementing the exact solution I provided, which he requested. :^P -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Help needed: Problem with GNOME
In a message dated: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:40:43 EST Benjamin Scott said: >On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Paul Lussier wrote: >> I don't offer any help here, I just wanted to point out that the subject >> line really does just "sum it all up" wrt GNOME ;) > > Dude, you're baked! You really ought to try GNOME, it does everything >you're trying to do and more! Wow! Didn't see that coming! ;) I guess I asked for it though! -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: .forward
In a message dated: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:35:24 EST Benjamin Scott said: > While the "interesting" stuff is definitely easier with procmail (and not >even possible with .forward alone), if all the OP wants to do is >store-and-forward, the .forward method is likely both easier and more >efficient. Remember the KISS principle. :-)k Quite true, but what if you only want *some* mail forwarded, and only *some* mail stored? Maybe you want mail from your manager stored locally, but you want an e-mail from your buddies at work about meeting somewhere for lunch forwarded on to your pager. Can't make that happen with just a .forward. A more realistic example would be mailing list traffic. You might not want all of it forwarded. You might only want 1 or 2 lists forwarded. You can't make that determination without something like procmail. While I agree that KISS is a great philosophy to live by, I also understand that I have no real knowledge about what it is the OP or anyone else on this list *might* want to do. Therefore, I mention possibilities and opportunities where I see there might be a need for them on the off chance that something I'm doing might turn on a light bulb for someone else. OR, just as importantly, someone might read what I'm doing, and reply with something like: "Dude, you're baked! You really ought to try XXX, it does everything you're trying to do and more!" One thing I love about Procmail is that it allows for *all* possibilities. There are some really cool things that procmail enables you to do that just can't be done otherwise. For example, I have procmail not only filter my e-mail into different mail collections (e.g. I have GNHLUG folder), but I have it clean out certain mail boxes as well. We use a mail-based help request system here which formats each help request with a certain "ticket" number in the subject line. Based on that ticket number, and certain keywords in the body I have procmail run a script which automatically delete all mail relating to a ticket that's been closed, (of course, this is also dependant upon the mh mail system keeping each message in a separate file). -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Help needed: Problem with GNOME
I don't offer any help here, I just wanted to point out that the subject line really does just "sum it all up" wrt GNOME ;) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: .forward
In a message dated: 28 Jan 2002 10:20:55 EST "R. Sean Hartnett" said: >Is there a way to have a .forward setup to forward your email and still >leave a copy in your box? yeah, I think you do something like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \user Of course, doing things like this, and a lot more "interesting" stuff is oh so much easier with procmail :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: /. article
In a message dated: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:42:39 EST Jerry Feldman said: >Robert Bork was never a Judge on The Supreme Court. He was nominated, but >his nomination was not approved by the Senate. We was, however, US >Solicitor General as well as a judge and did have a distinguished career. My mistake. Regardless, interesting and informative article :) * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
LinuxWorld...
--- Begin Message --- Hi Jim, I just received the e-mail you sent to our chairman, Jerry Kubeck (who insists he's retired, and in denial about the fact that we haven't yet accepted his resignation! :) regarding your invitation to join the NYLUG for a pgp keysigning Thursday evening. Some friends of mine and I are coming into town on Wednesday morning via the Amtrak Acela train from Boston. Unfortunately, we're also leaving Thursday afternoon :( I greatly appreciate the invitation though. Maybe we can catch up with you at some point either for lunch or a pint at a decent brew pub? Anyway, thanks again for the invite, and I extend the same offer to you and any of the NYLUG members, should you ever find yourself in the Greater New Hampshire area. -- Paul Lussier Senior Systems and Network Engineer 100 Foot of John Street Mission Critical Linux Lowell, Ma, 01852 Chairman, Nashua Chapter, Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group (GNHLUG) --- End Message --- msg12581/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: NYLUG.org Invitation to LinuxWorld pub event in New York City Jan 31st
In a message dated: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:42:26 EST Jerry Kubeck said: >Here a nice invitation from the NYLUG to the GNLHUG members who might >be going to LinuxWorld Expo. Doh! I'll be leaving just before all the good stuff! Rats! -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
/. article
If you haven't already, read this article at Linux Planet. It's a discussion with form Supreme Court Justice Robert Bork about the PFJ in the Microsoft case: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/4020/1/ It's a very good read. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Linux/Novell client [ was Re: tetex -- needed for newbie users? ]
In a message dated: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:48:07 PST Michael Costolo said: >I'm stuck with Windows at work as well (at least until we get a linux Novell >client), but the above software makes it somewhat easier. Errr, Linux has had Novell support for years, hasn't it? -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: tetex -- needed for newbie users?
In a message dated: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:12:32 EST RABNUD said: >If I recall correctly, these seem to be intended for newspaper and other >typesetting firms. Tetex is a distribution of TeX with LaTeX macros. TeX and LaTeX are used for document processing on all scales, though primarily by those in the math and scientific communities. >From the TeX FAQ: TeX is a typesetting system written by Donald E. Knuth, who says in the Preface to his book on TeX (see books about TeX) that it is "intended for the creation of beautiful books - and especially for books that contain a lot of mathematics". Knuth is Emeritus Professor of the Art of Computer Programming at Stanford University in California, USA. Knuth developed the first version of TeX in 1978 to deal with revisions to his series "the Art of Computer Programming", but the idea proved popular and he produced a second version (in 1982) is the basis of what we use today. LaTeX is a TeX macro package, originally written by Leslie Lamport, that provides a document processing system. LaTeX allows markup to describe the structure of a document, so that the user need not think about presentation. By using document classes and add-on packages, the same document can be produced in a variety of different layouts. Lots of people use TeX and LaTeX for many different reasons. Here at MCLX (and at other places in the past), Derek and I have done all the network/systems documentation using LyX which is a great GUI frontend to TeX and LaTeX. I've done my resume in LaTeX, as have many others I know. I know a lot of people who have written theses using TeX,LaTeX, or LyX. So I wouldn't confine it to "be intended for newspaper and other typesetting firms", but rather, intended for anyone who wishes to produce nice looking and professional grade documents. Btw, I gave a talk on LyX a while back, and all my slides were done using LyX, converted to postscript and displayed using gv :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: tetex -- needed for newbie users?
In a message dated: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:09:31 EST Paul Iadonisi said: > Let's say I want to install Red Hat 7.2 on a bunch of older systems with >only 1.5Gb disks and maybe above. I'm trying to conserve disk space, but >don't want to remove any functionality needed for the newbie. Do the tetex >packages provide anything that newbie user is going to care about? I ask, >because I've never used it myself, and I can save 100Mb of disk space by >excluding it. The tetex packages are the TeX/LaTeX packages for Linux. If you don't need them to do anything with Tex/LaTeX, then feel free to save yourself 100MB of space :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: AOL to buy Red Hat?
In a message dated: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:34:10 EST "Rich C" said: >Pop-up ads on [Red Hat] Linux.YUK!!! Yeah, but just think, now, if you want the latest release, AOL will just mail you a CD every 6 months. Can't wait that long? Stop by Barnes and Noble and grab a stack of AOL/Red Hat CDs :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
