Re: bash scripting arcana

[Steven W. Orr]

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Michael O'Donnell wrote:

=>
=>Today I ran across this usage of the 'Process Substitution' trickery
=>supported by BASH:
=>
=>
=> { command1 ; command2 ; command3 } > >( tee -a $someLogFile ) 2>&1
This doesn't look legal. Period.
=>
=>
=>...and wondered how it differs from (or is preferable to) this:
=>
=>
=> { command1 ; command2 ; command3 }  | ( tee -a $someLogFile ) 2>&1
This is also illegal unless you are running a really old version of bash. 
The last cmd inside the braces needs to be terminated by a semicolon:

{ command1 ; command2 ; command3; }  | ( tee -a $someLogFile ) 2>&1

The tee command is being executed inside a subshell for no good reason 
that I can discern and the stderr of the tee is duped to stdout, except 
that tee produces nothing to stderr.
Also note that > > is not a legal parse. If you're going to append to a 
file, you must use the two angle brackets together: >>

=>
=>
=>Probably some subtle named-pipe versus unnamed-pipe difference, ya?
=>
=>
=>If you haven't messed with this 'Process Substitution' stuff
=>before, examples like the following could (as my favorite oracle
=>might say) "bake your noodle":
=>
=>  ls -l <( echo  )
=>  echo  <( ls -l )
=>
=>...my noodle is currently al dente.  (I mean, all denty...)

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Need some help getting started with SpamAssassin.

[Steven W. Orr]

Red Hat linux 7.3 with sendmail-8.12.2-7
Razor-2.09
spamassassin-2.20-1

The install seems ok. All the components that are needed are installed.

I run 
  spamassassin -t < sample-nonspam.txt > nonspam.out
  spamassassin -t < sample-spam.txt > spam.out
and get the desired results. No problem

Then I created my /etc/procmailrc with content:
:0fw
  | spamc

I modified my init.d/spamassassin to add the -F 0 option to the spamd 
commandline and started spamd. BTW, I tried with and without the -F0 
option.

Then I run into problems. I sent myself a test message whose body is
sample-spam.txt and it gets delivered to me with no indication that sa
thought anything bad happened. Am I missing something here?

Also, under Red Hat, for every message that passes through spamd, I get 
this message:

Still running as root: user not specified, not found, or set to root.  
Fall back to nobody.

Is this bad?

Thanks guys. I'm really hoping this works out. :-)

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What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?

[Steven W. Orr]

I just discovered this existed and was wondering what I need to do to 
listen.

TAI

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Re: SOLVED: Problem with X resources on upgrade to RH-7.3/KDE-3.0.0-5

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On Sat, 18 May 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote:

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=>At some point hitherto, Derek D. Martin hath spake thusly:
=>> However, while Steven's having added this to the startkde script may
=>> fix his problem, I'll note that the startkde script does not use xrdb
=>> to load resources on RH 7.1 or RH 7.2 either.  So while something is
=>> clearly broken, I don't think that's the "correct" fix for it.
=>
=>In thinking about this, I remember having a similar problem with KDE
=>when I breifly used it a few years ago.  KDE was ignoring all my
=>resources.  The culprate turned out to be that KDE, by default, wants
=>to make non-kde applications use similar settings to what you have
=>defined as your KDE theme.  There is (or was) a place in the KDE
=>configuration application where you could disable this behavior, and
=>then KDE would use your X resources.  
=>
=>I wonder if that's not the problem.  It may be that upgrading to KDE3
=>resets this value to the default of using KDE-like settings for
=>non-KDE applications.  I neither use KDE nor do I have either RH 7.3
=>or KDE3, so I can't (easily) investigate.
Way ahead of you. That setting only affects color. I suspect they 
implement by modifying the X*FILESEARCHPATH variables as used by the 
window manager. But I could be way off. 

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SOLVED: Problem with X resources on upgrade to RH-7.3/KDE-3.0.0-5

[Steven W. Orr]

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Steven W. Orr wrote:

=>This is complicated to explain, but please bear with me.
=>
=>I just upgraded from RH-7.2 to 7.3. My problem is that, for some reason, 
=>my backspace key no longer works in pine (as well as other problems). 
=>Here's my setup:
=>
=>I have a correct value set for my XFILESEARCHPATH and my 
=>XUSERFILESEARCHPATH variables. In my $XUSERFILESEARCHPATH I have a file 
=>called XTerm-color and in my .xinitrc I have this one line
=>
=>xrdb -load ~/.Xresources 2> /dev/null &
=>
=>My .Xresources simply sez:
=>*customization: -color
=>*StringConversionWarnings: on
=>
=>* In my XTerm-color I have (among other things)
=>*VT100*backarrowKey: true
=>*VT100.geometry: 80x72
=>
=>For some reason, now when I start an xterm, it comes up with 24 lines 
=>instead of the desired 80 and the backarrow key no longer works in pine. 
=>Instead I have to use the ^H key. In fact all of the resource setting I 
=>specify no longer seem to work. The odd thing is that the resources seem 
=>to work fine in gnome. Under KDE, the behavior seems to be broken. I know 
=>there used to be a setting someplace that said something about how 
=>resources should be controlled by kde for non-kde apps. 
=>
=>Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong here?
=>
=>TIA
Turns out to be a bug in the startkde script. Make your own personal copy 
of the script and add the following line *after* the call to kdeinit:

xrdb -merge "$HOME/.Xresources"

A bug has been submitted to bugzilla #65137 and can be viewed at

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65137

Red Hat: Please fix this. Lots of things depend on X resources working 
properly. This bug broke all of the resources that I set in my resource 
files including xterm, emacs, xmris, xload, xlogo, xdvi, and bitmap. It is 
unacceptable to have to do an xrdb -load on a resource file at startup.

TIA

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Problem with X resources on upgrade to RH-7.3/KDE-3.0.0-5

[Steven W. Orr]

This is complicated to explain, but please bear with me.

I just upgraded from RH-7.2 to 7.3. My problem is that, for some reason, 
my backspace key no longer works in pine (as well as other problems). 
Here's my setup:

I have a correct value set for my XFILESEARCHPATH and my 
XUSERFILESEARCHPATH variables. In my $XUSERFILESEARCHPATH I have a file 
called XTerm-color and in my .xinitrc I have this one line

xrdb -load ~/.Xresources 2> /dev/null &

My .Xresources simply sez:
*customization: -color
*StringConversionWarnings: on

* In my XTerm-color I have (among other things)
*VT100*backarrowKey: true
*VT100.geometry: 80x72

For some reason, now when I start an xterm, it comes up with 24 lines 
instead of the desired 80 and the backarrow key no longer works in pine. 
Instead I have to use the ^H key. In fact all of the resource setting I 
specify no longer seem to work. The odd thing is that the resources seem 
to work fine in gnome. Under KDE, the behavior seems to be broken. I know 
there used to be a setting someplace that said something about how 
resources should be controlled by kde for non-kde apps. 

Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong here?

TIA

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Re: Another (simpler) bash scripting question...

[Steven W. Orr]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote:

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=>At some point hitherto, Kevin D. Clark hath spake thusly:
=>> >result=badness# init with failure default
=>> >spewSomeKindOfOutput | while read input
=>> >do
=>> >result=goodness
=>> >done
=>> >echo $result
=>> > 
=>> > What is the output?
=>> 
=>> In general, the inner part of the loop is run in a sub-shell.
=>
=>Not exactly... it's more subtle even than that.  For example:
=>
=>result=badness# init with failure default
=>while read input
=>do
=>result=goodness
=>done
=>echo $result
=>
=>What is the result in this case?  The shell script outputs "goodness"
=>instead of "badness" as in the previous example.
This is a classic example of why I prefer doing actual script work in ksh 
and have my login shell as bash. The first example above will *not* have 
this side-effect in ksh.


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Re: Shell scripting tips and tricks (was: I need a date! )

[Steven W. Orr]

=>"Jerry Feldman" said:
=>>Actually, [ is a link to test. Linux uses a symlink, some Unixes use hard 
=>>links. 
=>>-rwxr-xr-x1 root root17496 Sep 20  2001 /usr/bin/test
=>>lrwxrwxrwx1 root root4 Dec  1 13:42 /usr/bin/[ -> test
=>>
=>>And yes, BASH has it built in, but on some of the older Bourne shells it is 
=>>not built in. 
=>
=>As I said in not so many words, modern shells have it built in.  I don't
=>consider Bourne a modern shell.  If I want test, I use test, not [.  
=>I've also used versions of Bourne that didn't have functions for 
=>instance (Ultrix).
Just to muddy the waters even further...
Bourne shell under Linux is actually a link to bash. Both the [ operator 
and the test command are both builtins to both Bourne and bash. The [[ 
operator is actually different from a builtin; it is considered a keyword. 
It also has different syntax in that certain operators are not legal and 
vice versa. If you ever really and truly ever want to run the binary test 
(though I have no idea why you would), you have to explicity invoke it via 
pathname. e.g.,

if /usr/bin/test "${x}" -eq 44
then
echo walla
fi

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Re: Shell scripting tips and tricks (was: I need a date! )

[Steven W. Orr]

On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote:

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=>At some point hitherto, Tom Buskey hath spake thusly:
=>
=>> I've had problems with [[ ]] on pdksh in the past.  [ ] is also 
=>> internal on modern unixen.
=>
=>You can get the real ksh from David Korn's website.  It's now freely
=>available, though I don't know what the licensing terms are.  If
=>you're a Korn shell fan, you can have the real thing.
=>
=>Don't know the URL...  I'm sure a search will turn it up.
The official site for ksh is oddly enough  
http://www.kornshell.com/software/

But somewhere I managed to find a src.rpm of it. This is the real deal: 
ksh93

If anyone wants it, I put up a copy on 
http://www2.syslang.net:8080/ksh93-2000.10.31.0-1.src.rpm

Ksh93 is subtley different from bash and even more subtley different from 
ksk88. But for my money, the shells come in the following ranking:

* csh (all flavors) Dangerous junk.
* bash The best of the login shells
* ksh (Both flavors, 88 and 93) The best choice for industrial script 
  programming.
* sh An old evil that sometimes still forces itself to be used.

The differences are easily worth hours of lecture time over the right dark 
adult malted beverage.

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Re: I need a date!

[Steven W. Orr]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote:

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=>At some point hitherto, Steven W. Orr hath spake thusly:
=>> gunzip < /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz | groff -pte -man | lpr
=>> 
=>> Try it :-)
=>
=>This is essentially identical to Matt's man -t bash, only with a lot
=>more typing.
=>
=>The other difference is that it uses the deprecated "an" troff macros,
=>as opposed to the more current "andoc" troff macros.  These macros are
=>kept in /usr/share/groff//tmac in the files an.tmac and
=>andoc.tmac, respectively.  The latter is supposedly a newer, nicer set
=>of macros for formatting man pages.
=>
=>- -- 
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Not at all. When you pipe man to lpr all you get is typewriter font going 
to the printer, same as what you see on the screen.

My way, you are producing a mucgh more attractive PostScript which uses 
proportional fonts and uses different ones for the different components of 
the document. Try this

gunzip < /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz | groff -pte -man > bash.ps
gv bash.ps

You probably wouldn't want to do this on the screen, but it really is 
better for printing.

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Re: I need a date!

[Steven W. Orr]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote:


=>Anyone have the ol' "scripting in csh is evil" link handy?  :)

http://gonzo.tamu.edu/csh.whynot.html


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Re: I need a date!

[Steven W. Orr]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote:

=>On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 9:32am, Thomas M. Albright wrote:
=>> Ack! That is to say: Eek! The man "page" for bash is a book of it's own!  
=>> For collections of that much text, I prefer dead tree media. :)
=>
=>  You can't grep dead trees.  :-)  But, if you feel you must contribute to
=>global deforestation
=>
=>  man bash | lpr
=>
=>will give you what you want.
An even better way to deforest is

gunzip < /usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz | groff -pte -man | lpr

Try it :-)

Also, people were talking about how much fun it is to read the bash man 
page in the first place. Hey people! This is Unix! You want to get 
anywhere, you gots to read the shell page over and over again. I'm not 
really done yet and I've read it at least 75 times.

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Re: PATH (was total newbie)

[Steven W. Orr]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Michael Bovee wrote:

=>Well, the encouraging replies from Derek M., Dan C., and Benjamin S. 
=>have turned my frown upside down! (thanks for tolerating my whiney 
=>tone yesterday)
I have long felt that the standard way for people to set their PATH 
variables (in fact all colon seperated lists which are environment 
variables) is generally screwed up.  How many times have you looked at 
someone's PATH only to see that there are duplicated entries, or sometimes 
even have the value doubled or triplied up?

The answer is to use envv. (http://www2.syslang.net:8080/envv.tar.gz)

envv is the ENVironment Variable editor. I use it in my bash init stuff to 
put values in  my PATH without duplicates.

Also, I recommend not setting PATH in .bash_profile. Instead, put it into 
a seperate .bash_path and source it in from the .bash_profile. That way 
you can also invoke it from your .bashrc *if* you are not interactive. 
That way, remote commands won't break. :-)

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Anyone know what P3P is?

[Steven W. Orr]

There's an article in this months Linux Journal which sez that I'm able to 
configure my browser to only allow visits to P3P certified sites. I can't 
find it in either Netscape or Mozilla. Anyone know where this is 
configured?

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Re: Benefits of owning a domain (was Re: Cross Yahoo off the listof free e-mail services!)

[Steven W. Orr]

On 21 Mar 2002, Mark Komarinski wrote:

=>I have ATTBI/M1/Comcast cable modem and am using TZO.COM as the DNS
=>provider for wayga.org.  All of wayga.org (web, e-mail, etc) is sitting
=>in my basement along with a client that hits TZO with my current IP
=>address.  If ATT changes my IP address, it will get registered with TZO
=>within the hour.
=>
=>On the down side, it's $60/yr for the DNS services, plus whatever
=>extortion^W fees netsol charges for the domain.
=>
=>-Mark
I'm on RCN cablemodem. To get my domain working, I use the following:

* http://www.zoneedit.com as my DNS provider. In addition, they also act 
  as my secondary mx record. Total cost for DNS is free. Cost for the mail 
  backup service is $10/year.

* ddclient to update zoneedit.

* dhcpcd. (Do *not* use pump. Use rpm -e pump)

* And the purcahse of the domain from godaddy was only 9/year. 

:-)

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Question about resolve.conf

[Steven W. Orr]

I have two Linux platforms. The server has two NICs and is the firewall 
and  NAT. The other is on the inside.  My question is this:

I have dhcpcd set up so that it will not overwrite the resolve.conf on the
server. But conceivably, RCN is allowed to change the nameserver I use
every time a lease gets started. What I have been doing is to set the 
resolv.conf on the client machine to be the same as the one on the server. 
Is there a way for the resolv.conf on the client to query the server so 
that the server will act on his behalf? I am *not* running a nameserver 
since I am a dhcp client. Also, I did try setting the client resolv.conf 
to point to the server's 192.168 address but it would not work. Is there a 
way to do this?

TIA

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Can we stand another iptables question?

[Steven W. Orr]

I don't understand how the various iptables modules get loaded. I know 
that under ipchains, they had to be manually insmod'd but now under 
iptables they seem to get automagically loaded. The problem is that I'm 
not getting any complaints in either syslog of in functionality and yet 
there are modules that are not loaded that I would expect would need to be 
loaded. Here's my lsmod:

Module  Size  Used byNot tainted
ipt_REJECT  2848   1  (autoclean)
ipt_LOG 3392  12  (autoclean)
ipt_limit   1024  12  (autoclean)
ipt_state576  34  (autoclean)
iptable_nat14708   0  (autoclean) (unused)
ip_conntrack   15212   2  (autoclean) [ipt_state iptable_nat]
iptable_filter  1696   0  (autoclean) (unused)
ip_tables  11456   8  [ipt_REJECT ipt_LOG ipt_limit ipt_state 
iptable_nat iptable_filter]
sr_mod 13912   0  (autoclean)
cdrom  28416   0  (autoclean) [sr_mod]
mga99696   1 
agpgart14880   3 
emu10k1_new53664   2  (autoclean)
ac97_codec  9376   0  (autoclean) [emu10k1_new]
soundcore   3972   4  (autoclean) [emu10k1_new]
parport_pc 14596   1  (autoclean)
lp  5408   0  (autoclean)
parport24992   1  (autoclean) [parport_pc lp]
autofs  9604   1  (autoclean)
3c59x  26312   2 
serial 45696   0  (autoclean)
usb-ohci   19936   0  (unused)
usbcore51744   1  [usb-ohci]
rtc 6332   0  (autoclean)
ext3   59872   5 
jbd39012   5  [ext3]
aic7xxx   112992   6 
sd_mod 11292   6 
scsi_mod   93176   3  [sr_mod aic7xxx sd_mod]

I just don't understand why ftp works (as a client) if I don't have 
ip_conntrack_ftp loaded. Do I have a problem? Also, where can I find out 
what each module does?

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YAFWQ

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== Yet Another FireWall Question. I'm doing really well here so I'm going 
to the well one more time :-)

My new iptables firewall is up and seems to be running ok. I have a few 
bounced packets that I don't understand and I was wondering if someone 
might explain them to me. (I'm Mr. 146.115.228.77) Here are the example 
packets from my syslog:

Feb 25 21:20:20 saturn kernel: TCP drop IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=00:e0:81:05:43:80:00:30:19:31:73:a8:08:00 SRC=205.156.51.200 
DST=146.115.228.77 LEN=52 TOS=0x10 PREC=0x00 TTL=46 ID=32315 PROTO=TCP 
SPT=21 DPT=35312 WINDOW=65500 RES=0x00 ACK RST URGP=0

Feb 25 21:53:44 saturn kernel: TCP drop IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=00:e0:81:05:43:80:00:30:19:31:73:a8:08:00 SRC=207.171.169.19  
DST=146.115.228.77 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=52 ID=59014 DF PROTO=TCP 
SPT=80 DPT=1269 WINDOW=8760 RES=0x00 ACK RST URGP=0

In the first case I have the Bad Guy's (BG) packet originating from his
ftp server port. In the second case I have BG's packet originating from 
his http server port. Is this a case of clearly forged packets or is there 
any possible legitimate way that this can happen?

TIA

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Re: Need some iptables help please.

[Steven W. Orr]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote:

=>On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Michael O'Donnell wrote:
=>> Aren't there two IP broadcast addresses?
=>> One consisting of all zeroes and the other all ones?
=>
=>  Not exactly.
=>
=>  255.255.255.255 is the "universal" broadcast address -- any host which
=>receives a packet for that address is supposed to process it.  Routers are
=>not supposed to forward packets to that address.
=>
=>  Take a network address, and set the "node" part to all ones (binary), and
=>you have the broadcast address for that particular IP network.
=>
=>  The network address with the "node" part set to all zeros (binary) is
=>simply the network address.  Some early IP implementations used that as the
=>broadcast address, but that is not considered "correct".
=>
=>  For example, take network 192.168.123.0/24.  The first three bytes are the
=>network part, and the last byte is the node part.  Here are the important
=>numbers:
=>
=>Net mask   255.255.255.0...
=>Network192.168.123.01100.10101000.0011.
=>First node 192.168.123.11100.10101000.0011.0001
=>Last node  192.168.123.254  1100.10101000.0011.1110
=>Broadcast  192.168.123.255  1100.10101000.0011.
=>
=>  There is also the "all subnets" broadcast address which meant something
=>more interesting before CIDR/VLSM became common.  I'm not sure it is even
=>used anymore.  It is/was a way to send a packet to all nodes within an
=>entire subnet'ed network.  For example, take class A network 10.0.0.0/8 and
=>subnet it into a bunch of class C networks (10.0.0.0/24, 10.0.1.0/24 ...
=>10.255.254.0/24).  You could, in theory, send to 10.255.255.255 and get
=>every node in the entire class A network.
=>
=>  The above is subject to being wrong.  :-)
But it wasn't :-)

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Need some iptables help please.

[Steven W. Orr]

I picked up an iptables firewall and I have a question in debugging it. 
It erroneously makes reference to two variables which are not defined: 
These are BROADCAST_0 and BROADCAST_1. I'm running dhcpcd as the firewall 
prescribes. My problem is that I just don't have any idea what the intent 
is of the first four iptables commands. I found ports 67 and 68 in my 
/etc/services file as bootps and bootpc (which I assume are used somehow 
by the DHCP protocol).

Obviously, this section below is just the fragment that's causing me 
trouble. EXTERNAL_INTERFACE is set to eth0. DHCP_SERVER is set to the ip 
address of my DHCP server. MY_ISP is set to "any/0".

if [ $DHCP -gt 0 ]
then
# INIT or REBINDING: No Lease or Lease Time Expired
iptables -A OUTPUT -o $EXTERNAL_INTERFACE -p UDP \
--sport 68 --dport 67 -s $BROADCAST_0 -d $BROADCAST_1 -j ACCEPT

# Getting renumbered
iptables -A INPUT -i $EXTERNAL_INTERFACE -p UDP \
--sport 67 --dport 68 -s $BROADCAST_0 -d $BROADCAST_1 -j ACCEPT

iptables -A INPUT -i $EXTERNAL_INTERFACE -p UDP \
--sport 67 --dport 68 -s $DHCP_SERVER -d $BROADCAST_1 -j ACCEPT

iptables -A OUTPUT -o $EXTERNAL_INTERFACE -p UDP \
--sport 67 --dport 68 -s $BROADCAST_0 -d $DHCP_SERVER -j ACCEPT

# As a result of the above, we're supposed to change our IP
# address with this message, which is addressed to our new
# address before the DHCP client has received the update.

iptables -A INPUT -i $EXTERNAL_INTERFACE -p UDP \
--sport 67 --dport 68 -s $DHCP_SERVER -d $MY_ISP -j ACCEPT

iptables -A INPUT -i $EXTERNAL_INTERFACE -p UDP \
--sport 67 --dport 68 -s $DHCP_SERVER -d $EXTERNAL_IP -j ACCEPT

iptables -A OUTPUT -o $EXTERNAL_INTERFACE -p UDP \
--sport 68 --dport 67 -s $EXTERNAL_IP -d $DHCP_SERVER -j ACCEPT

if [ $VERBOSE -gt 0 ]; then
echo "firewall: DHCP enabled"
fi

fi

Anyone have any suggestions? I know that GNHLUG is rich with people who 
think that vi is the best firewall editor out there :-)

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Re: KDE Question

[Steven W. Orr]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:

=>
=>In a message dated: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:24:38 EST
=>"Steven W. Orr" said:
=>
=>>kstart --window gkrellm --alldesktops --ontop --skiptaskbar /usr/bin/xmms
=>
=>Gee, *that's* intuitive!
=>
=>Err, what's with the '--window gkrellm' option?  What's a gkrellm?
=>
=>Thanks!
Oops. Just ignore the --window option or just change it to xmms.

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Re: KDE Question

[Steven W. Orr]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:

=>
=>Hi all,
=>
=>I'm mucking about with KDE (KDE2 I think). I'm having a little 
=>trouble figuring out how to accomplish certain tasks.  For example:
=>
=>  - I have xmms playing, but it's only in one of my workspaces.  Since it 
=>has no borders, I don't seem to be able to make it "sticky"
=>
=>  - I have the "Desktop Pager" running, but want to get rid of 
=>the decorations, but that doesn't seem to be an option anywhere
=>
=>  - The desktop pager seems to be unconfigurable wrt rows and 
=>columns.  I seem to only be able to get 1 row x X columns
=>of workspaces.  How can I configure this, or, is there a 
=>better desktop pager available?
=>
=>  - When I "iconify" apps, I expect to see icons, hence the 
=>term "iconify", but I don't, the apps just seem to 
=>disappear, and are only accessible again through the WinList applet.
=>
=>  - I have mouse button-3 (the right one) configured as
=>"Custom Menu 1", but can't seem to figure out how to 
=>"Customize" it and add apps to it, any ideas?
=>
=>Thanks,
=>--
=>Seeya,
=>Paul (who, after playing with sawfish yesterday and KDE today, is
=>  more convinced than ever that fvwm2 is far better and easier to 
=>  configure than either! :)
=>e 
kstart --window gkrellm --alldesktops --ontop --skiptaskbar /usr/bin/xmms

:-)

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I can play way files but I can't get au files to work.

[Steven W. Orr]

Red Hat 7.2 with a SB Live card. All the sound stuff seems to be ok except 
that .au files play as a single pitched note.

Anyone have an idea?

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Need to convert Latex to F*&@!$g Word format

[Steven W. Orr]

Anyone know if this is at all possible?

TIA

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Re: KDE and Gnome

[Steven W. Orr]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote:

=>On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Tom Rauschenbach wrote:
=>> It's Slackware,  but I think that doesn't matter.
=>
=>  Well, it does and it doesn't.  Under Red Hat, for example, you would just
=>issue the command
=>
=>  switchdesk gnome
=>
=>as that user.  :-)  Slackware might have a similar "easy" way.
=>
=>> I'm using startx after a non-graphical login.
=>
=>  Look for files called $HOME/.Xclients or $HOME/.xinitrc and edit them.  
=>If none exist, try creating $HOME/.Xclients as follows:
=>
=>  #!/bin/sh
=>  exec gnome-session
=>
=>If that does not work, try creating that as $HOME/.xinitrc instead.
=>
=>  For further reading, see the manual pages for X(1), Xserver(1), xinit(1),
=>startx(1), and xdm(1).
Actually, I'm curious about this as well. I was under the impression that 
you need to add all three lines to make sourself a gnomonian. Anyone know?

export WINDOW_MANAGER=enlightenment
gnome-wm &
exec gnome-session 


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Re: More on AMD Athlon/AGP stability issue

[Steven W. Orr]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Benjamin Scott wrote:

=>
=>  Yesterday, information became widely available that described possible
=>stability issues (system crashes, hangs, etc.) when using an AGP video card
=>under Linux in conjunction with an AMD Athlon processor.  It was generally
=>called a "bug" in the Athlon CPU.
=>
=>  More information is now available at , including an
=>analysis of AMD's response.  AMD's official response was posted to LKML, and
=>is available at .
=>
=>  There is apparently some kind of bad interaction between the AGP GART
=>("Graphics Address Remapping Table", I think?), speculative reads performed
=>by the Athlon processor, the memory mappings used by the kernel, and cache
=>coherency.  The details are beyond me, but the practical upshot appears to
=>be that the wrong data ends up being written back to main memory at some
=>point.
=>
=>  I recommend reading the above LKML thread if you suspect you are affected
=>by this issue.  Information is still being uncovered, and it is not
=>immediately clear how this occurs, what causes it, who is affected by it,
=>and how to work around it.
=>
=>  In particular, there is some uncertainty as to whether the "mem=nopentium"
=>option actually prevents the problem, or merely makes it less likely to
=>occur.

I'm not totally stoopid, but I really am not understanding this issue very 
well. I'd pay money to go to a GNHLUG meeting where someone could explain 
this to me with only a slightly restricted number of syllables per word.

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Re: Anybody running 2.4 and AMD???

[Steven W. Orr]

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Rich C wrote:

=>
=>- Original Message -
=>From: "Michael Costolo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=>To: "GNHLUG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=>Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 9:43 PM
=>Subject: Re: Anybody running 2.4 and AMD???
=>
=>
=>> Hmm.  I'm running a 1 GHz Athlon with kernel version 2.4.3 (a la Mandrake
=>> 8.0) and a 32 MB NVidia TNT2 AGP video card (and XFree 4.0.3 if it
=>matters)
=>> on an ABIT KT7A-RAID mobo with 512 MB RAM.  I have not experienced any
=>random
=>> lockups.  I know nothing about the stock Mandrake kernel and haven't tried
=>> "rolling my own" yet (but I will, once I learn more about the process).
=>>
=>
=>You don't need to recompile to avoid the bug. From the article:
=>
=>"Fortunately, there is a quick and easy fix for this problem. If you have
=>been experiencing lockups on your Athlon, Duron or Athlon MP system when
=>using AGP video, try passing the mem=nopentium option to your kernel (using
=>GRUB or LILO) at boot-time. This tells Linux to go back to using 4K pages,
=>avoiding this CPU bug."
OK. I'm confused here. Is it that case that in certain circumstances the 
linux kernel will try to make a pagesize equal to 4 MEGABYTES and this 
patch restores it back down to 4 KILOBYTES? Everything I know about OS's 
says that something is badly out of whack. 

(I'm about to take delivery of a ULB with 1 gig of RAM and a pair of 
1600MHz Athlons.)

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Re: Random Sigs

[Steven W. Orr]

=>In a message dated: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:00:21 EST
=>"Thomas M. Albright" said:
=>
=>>Hi all.
=>>
=>>I use pine for email. Pine uses ~/.signature for my sig. I'd like to be 
=>>able to have a text file full of different sigs that Pine would use, 
=>>instead of the one static sig.
=>>
=>>Does anyone have any tips on how I could do this?

There's a package out there somewhere either called sig or signature. It's 
a daemon process that makes your .signature file be a named pipe. Then the 
daemon will provide a random sig under your control. rpmfind is down right 
now or I could tell you what its exact name is.

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Re: Business Card CD

[Steven W. Orr]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Ed Lawson wrote:

=>Quick question .  Does anyone have experience burning business card CDs 
=>using Linux tools.
=>If so, any special issues, percautions, tricks?
=>TIA
=>
=>Ed Lawson
Just use cdrecord. Also use cdparanoia for audio and xcdraost for its gui.

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Re: news.gnhlug.org is now operational!

[Steven W. Orr]

On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

=>
=>At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=221 is: 
=>
=>I agree that html sorta clutters things up. However, the web site does allow you 
=>to post in either plain text or html. But I''m sure most people posting from the
=>web site will also use html, so having all messages going to the mailing list
=>be html-free is a reasonable request.
=>
=>Anyone know of a good html to text translator that will do the job?
=>
=>--Bruce
How  brap  about  blatz  emacs?

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Anyone have a good dhcpcd-ethX.exe?

[Steven W. Orr]

I've never really ever gotten mine to work. If I run the stuff manually 
I'm ok when the lease fails to renew. But I was in communicado all day 
today when after 6 months or so, rcn decided to not renew at 9:30 AM :-(

Here's my current script that doesn't work. Anyone have a clue what I'm 
doing wrong?

TIA

#!/bin/bash

exec >> /tmp/dhcpd.log 2>&1
echo $* 
cat <

Why am I getting daily hits on my firewall on the nntp port?

[Steven W. Orr]

Is there some sort of nntpd vulnerablility that people are trying to 
exploit? I'm not running nntpd but I get this at least twice a day. It's 
sort of annoying. :-(

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:06:01 -0500
From: Cron Daemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Cron  /usr/local/bin/firewall_report.pl -n 1

IP Chains rejections on host 'syslang'
For Tuesday, December 4, 2001

 Hits   IP Address   Starting  Ending
-  ---   
4 24.82.120.76   03:17:56 -> 03:18:17
 [ nntp ]
4   172.189.36.193   16:27:53 -> 16:28:14
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Re: Aliases

[Steven W. Orr]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Bill Mullen wrote:

=>Along these lines, I have the following in /etc/bashrc to colorize my
=>prompts, and ensure that if I am root, either as a login or via an su, my
=>prompt becomes a distinctive white on red:
=>
=>
=>if [ $SHLVL = "1" ] ; then
=>COLOUR=44  # blue
=>else
=>COLOUR=45  # magenta
=>fi
=>
=>if [ $UID = "0" ] ; then
=>COLOUR=41  # red
=>fi
=>
=>ESC="\033"
=>STYLE=';1m'  # bold
=>#STYLE='m'# plain
=>export PS1="\[$ESC[$COLOUR;37$STYLE\]\u@\h:\[$ESC[m\]\w\\$ "
=>export PS2="> "
=>
=>This also colorizes the prompt in login shells (other than root's) to
=>white on blue, and in all subsidiary shells (other than root's) to white
=>on magenta. Handy to know when one more Ctrl-D will log you out. :)
=>
Or you can do what I do:

ignoreeof=3

into your .bash_profile

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Re: Alias files

[Steven W. Orr]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Benjamin Scott wrote:

=>On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Steven W. Orr wrote:
=>> If anyone is interested, I have a setup for clearcase so that you can
=>> perform command completion of clearcase commands ... Also, I have a
=>> setup so that lots of normal commands complete the way they're supposed
=>> to. e.g., killall will complete on running program names.
=>
=>  I'm all for posting it.  I find this stuff useful.  (Unlike Paul, who
=>believes shell aliases should only be used by people who have passed the
=>Seventh Circle of the Temple of Bourne. ;)

Ok. Here's how it works:

if echo ${BASH_VERSION} | nawk -F. '{exit($1 < 2)}'
then
CC_RC=~/.bash/bashrc_cc
if [[ -f $CC_RC ]]
then
. $CC_RC
fi

goes into your .bashrc where you know that you're interactive. Then grab 
the following file:

http://www2.syslang.net:8080/bash_cc.tar.gz 

It will unpack into a .bash subdir which should be in your home. Also note 
that I use c for cleartool where the rest of the universe uses ct (which 
is longer and conflicts with the unix ct command).

Lemme know if there are problems.


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Re: Alias files

[Steven W. Orr]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Jerry Feldman wrote:

=>I generally set up aliases and ksh functions for those commands that I use 
frequently. For instance, I use clearcase at work. The clearcase commands are similar 
to RCS, but are actually subcommands of the cleartool command, si I alias things like:
=>cleartool ct
=>cict checkin
=>coct checkout
=>svct setview 
If anyone is interested, I have a setup for clearcase so that you can 
perform command completion of clearcase commands as well as completion for 
all of the options of clearcase.

e.g. c setvswo_ 

etc for all clearcase comamnds and options.

Also, I have a setup so that lots of normal commands complete the way 
they're supposed to. e.g., killall will complete on running program names.

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I have a collation question.

[Steven W. Orr]

RH 7.1 
I have a directory with with 6 files: a b c .a .b .c
If I say ls -a I expect to see .a .b .c a b c
Instead I get .a a .b b .c c

I tracked it back to LANG=en_US and got back my beloved old sort order by 
adding a setting of LC_COLLATE to C.

I was wondering if anyone knew the difference between C and POSIX as a 
setting for LC_COLLATE. Also, does anyone know where I can find the actual 
collation tables for the various valid settings?

I have this fear of saying something like 
rm [a-zA-Z]*
and end up losing all my files that start with a dot.

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Re: Mailing list sw.

[Steven W. Orr]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, mike ledoux wrote:

=>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
=>Hash: SHA1
=>
=>On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Scott A. Garman wrote:
=>
=>>Hi folks,
=>>
=>>I need to set up a small mailing list and recently tried out gnu mailman
=>>and loved it. But there was only one feature missing that I now need:
=>>moderation by e-mail. To my knowledge, this isn't possible with mailman
=>>(it uses a web interface for moderation).
=>>
=>>So, unless someone can contradict the above statement about mailman, could
=>>anyone suggest some simple to use mailng list sw that has moderation by
=>>e-mail? It needs to be free and I'll be running it on a Linux system.
=>
=>Majordomo:  http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/
=>
=>it is very easy to set up and use, but doesn't offer much in the way
=>of fancy features.  I don't think it is free in the FSF sense, but
=>it doesn't cost anything and you get the source, so it might be OK for
=>your purposes.

There's an addon package to majordomo called majorcool. I have it 
runningon my system here at home. Pretty slick. As for majordomo being 
slow to respond, my experience is that the majordomo mailinglist 
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Re: IP Address

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Don't listen to anyone who advocates the use of pump. pump sucks because 
it renews leses as long as it can. Then if the lease fails to renew, pump 
aborts. i.e., it will not ask for a new lease.

The best thing to do is to 

rpm -e pump

Then make the following mods:

Modify ifdown so that it does a kill -15 on the pid of the running dhcpcd 
instead of the dhcpcd -k. This will terminate dhcpcd without releasing the 
lease. Then when you come back up, the odds will be high that you will get 
the same lease. You might also want to modify ifup to add additional 
options (like -R -d) to the dhcpcd commandline.

:-)

On 23 Oct 2001, Hartnett wrote:

=>>From a command line, is there a command that can be run to release and
=>renew you IP address?
=>Basically the same as "Winipconfig/Ipconfig" on Windows.
=>
=>  Thanks
=>  Sean

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RE: Anti-terrorism bill is out of control

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There's only one solution: We must all where rubber gloves and condoms to
prevent any of our 'stuff' from being left behind. I expect that there
should also be a market for personal keyboard lickers, or PKLs, whose only
function would be to clean up after our acts of terrorism. Of course, the
lower paid PKLs would just use commercial cleaning supplies, but the
high-priced PKLs, i.e., the HPPKLs would actuall lick everything clean so
that a false DNA trail could be established.

Man! Am I good or what? ;^)>

On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Taylor, Chris wrote:

=>"DNA samples would be collected from hackers upon conviction, and
=>retroactively from those currently in custody or under federal supervision.
=>The samples would go into the federal database that currently catalogs
=>murderers and kidnappers."
=>
=> (source http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257)


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2.4.10 rocks :-)

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For the last year my system with 256Meg and 256 swap was barely adequate.
Now I'm not even touching swap at all. Tres' cool.

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RE: "Invisible Guns" (was NH Senator calls for encryption backdoors )

[Steven W. Orr]

>From  the "Spy vs. Spy" department...

When I was a kid my 6YO brother had one of those James Bond jackknives. It
had a Genuine rubber blade (about all you could do with it was swat a
quadraplegic fly) and a button which when pushed caused a barrel to pop
out and a piston handle and a trigger to drop down. It actually fired
those rolls of paper caps. (Can you still buy caps?) One day we all wnet
on a trip to Germany and I'll never forget when we were boarding he pulled
that thing out, pushed the button and said stickemup to the baggage check
guy. It was really very cute. If he was 6 today and tried that he'd
probably get life.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Taylor, Chris wrote:

=>Didn't that old James Bond movie "The Man with the Golden Gun" have some
=>sort of gun that could be broken down to appear as a pen and lighter?
=>
=>I understand that fiction is fiction.  I would not be surprised if any
=>other "invisible guns" or other weapons were created, maddog himself pointed
=>out the danger of allowing a CD-ROM to be carried aboard a plane, bus, etc
=>as it has a very sharp edge when broken

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Re: O'Reilly book sale at Quantum (Bostonish) (fwd)

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Jerry Feldman wrote:

=>SoftPro in Burlington and Marlborough is also having a sale.
=>SoftPro also honors your BLU membership, but most of the clerks don't know
=>about it. I'll need to speak to Rick when I see him.
=>David Kramer wrote:
=>> Quantum Books in Cambridge is having a 3/2 sale on O'Reilly books all
=>> month.
=>>
=>> -
=>> Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with
=>> "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the
=>> message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Subject line is ignored).

It's still cheaper at bookpool.com

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Re: Linux RPM installer question - problem solved!

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Cole Tuininga wrote:

=>On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 10:38:00PM -0400, Ted Grzesik wrote:
=>>
=>> BTW, anyone know of a way to "diff" two CD images?  I wanted to see if I
=>> could identify the bad CD by comparing it to a good CD.
=>
=>Compare md5sums?

You can use cmp on the two images. The other thing to watch out for is
diff. Diffing a file is a quadratic operation. On an image like a cdrom,
it might be done by the next millenium.

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Re: Need advise on a dead keyboard.

[Steven W. Orr]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Karl J. Runge wrote:

Sheesh! I get great adice from you guys and it just gets worse!

I downloaded the XFree86 from rawhide (XFree86-4.1.0-0.20.0.src.rpm) and
did an rpm -bb after installing the src:

[root@syslang SPECS]# rpm -ba XFree86.spec
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

The segfault happens within a half second.

I also tried -bb, -bp and even the lowly -bl with the same result.
I seem to be able to build other things ok. But now I need guidance to
possible screw myself up in a much worserer way. I'm running rpm-4.0.2-8
which is stock with RH-7.1 and I'm wondering if I can upgrade rpm to the
rpm-4.0.3-0.96 (96!?! This is not instilling confidence.) without
irreversible tragedy.

I tried running gdb on the resulting core and the segfault seems to be
coming from /usr/lib/rpm/rpmb (which I assume is the build stuff). I tried
strace and all I got there was that it happened after a bunch of calls to
gettimeofday.

Other than that, I don't know what I can add. Any suggestions would be
great. I'll make a backup in the meantime. ;-|

TIA

 =>
=>One thing to do in this case is to telnet in from the other machine,
=>become root and run a command like:
=>
=># switchto 2
=>
=>which should switch you to VC #2. Hopefully that will give you a live
=>keyboard.
=>
=>
=>If the keyboard was working but the output missing (I've found running
=>some games can do this), then you could type (blindly) in the
=>switchto(1) command at the console. Setting up restoretextmode(1) (say
=>via a short alias) can be useful too.
=>
=>It may also be possible to start up xdm (or even startx) from the
=>remote login (perhaps open(1) is required can't recall...). There is
=>some chance when the X server restarts it resets the keyboard and mouse.
=>
=>Karl
=>
=>
=>BTW: I assume at the frozen keyboard you have already tried things
=>like "Ctrl-Alt-F2" or "Alt-F2" to try to shift over to, say, VC #2,
=>on the off chance it is stuck in VC #7 (the VC X typically uses).
=>
=>
=>On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 11:27:55PM -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote:
=>> I have an intermittent behavior regarding my keyboard and I was hoping
=>> someone here might have a clue what's going on here:
=>>
=>> Every so often, I decide to exit X just for the purpose of restarting it
=>> (X). The server can get pretty large after a while. Sometimes, not
=>> everytime, I'll exit out of X and my keyboard will be dead. The lights
=>> will not respond or anything else on the keyboard. Also the mouse is dead.
=>> If I go to another machine and telnet over, I can reboot it. But I'm
=>> getting pretty damn tired of this. I'm running
=>> RH-71./XFree86-4.0.3/kde/2.1.2
=>>
=>> Any advise from anyone here?


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Need advise on a dead keyboard.

[Steven W. Orr]

I have an intermittent behavior regarding my keyboard and I was hoping
someone here might have a clue what's going on here:

Every so often, I decide to exit X just for the purpose of restarting it
(X). The server can get pretty large after a while. Sometimes, not
everytime, I'll exit out of X and my keyboard will be dead. The lights
will not respond or anything else on the keyboard. Also the mouse is dead.
If I go to another machine and telnet over, I can reboot it. But I'm
getting pretty damn tired of this. I'm running
RH-71./XFree86-4.0.3/kde/2.1.2

Any advise from anyone here?

TIA

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Re: Celebrate Unix time hitting 1 billion tomorrow...

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On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Karl J. Runge wrote:

=>On Sat, 08 Sep 2001, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=>>
=>> My department is having a party tonight.
=>
=>Then you all should "party like it's 9"  :)
=>
=>It's good timing for a rollover party here in the East: Sat evening.
=>With more notice maybe we could have scheduled a Martha's get-together
=>(however that would require someone with wireless internet, i.e. NTP, access).

More notice? Sheesh! You had a billion seconds! How much more notice you
need?

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Re: Celebrate Unix time hitting 1 billion tomorrow...

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On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Bruce Dawson wrote:

=>Where will that party be? (And what applications should we bring?)
=>
=>I'm not saying I'll come (yet), but its an intriguing excuse for a
=>party!
=>
=>--Bruce
=>

And will there be any girls? ;^)

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Re: Can someone tell me how to manually stop and start the artsd?

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On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

=>On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Steven W. Orr wrote:
=>
=>> I just want to be able to manually stop and restart it. Anyone know how?
=>
=>Well, I can't vouch for this being the "graceful" way, but, since no one's
=>replied:
=>
=>killall artsd
=>
=>nohup artsd&
=>
=>Would probably, respectively, stop and start artsd just fine...

Thanks, I was looking for something more gracefuller; something that would
recrerate the command line with any switches that it might need.

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Can someone tell me how to manually stop and start the artsd?

[Steven W. Orr]

I just want to be able to manually stop and restart it. Anyone know how?

TIA :-)

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Re: Lint for shell scripts?

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On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Richard Soule wrote:

=>I got this email recently.  After a quick search did not seem to turn up
=>anything, I figured that I would ask the experts...
=>
=>Any ideas?
=>
=>> Hey Rich,
=>>
=>> I recall that there may be a lint-like utility available for shell
=>> scripts, instead of the well known lint for C, and lint-like tools for
=>> CGI, HTML, etc
=>>
=>> Do you know if there is such a utility out there in Linuxland?
=>
=>Thanks,
=>
=>Rich

Since I just finished a 23,000 line ksh script, I'd have to say that I am
the only ksh lint utility I know of. If anyone has something else, I'd
*really* love to hear about it. :-)

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Power management question a la 2.4

[Steven W. Orr]

When I went to the 2.4 kernel(Red Hat 7.1/2.4.9), I somehow seem to have
lost the part where the machine automatically powers off after the
shutdown. Could someone please tell me what the proper kernel settings are
that control that?

TIA

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Re: Split a mailbox by date?

[Steven W. Orr]

There's a wonderful utility called grepmail (look for it on sourceforge).
It will do exactly what you want.

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Bob Bell wrote:

=>On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 09:01:55PM -0400, Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=>>   Does anyone here {have,know of} a utility that will take a Unix mbox
=>> format mailbox and split it into multiple mailboxes, based on the date of
=>> the messages.  I've done some looking (Google, CPAN), and was surprised to
=>> find nothing.
=>>
=>>   I imagine I could whip up a Perl script if I had to, but I figure, someone
=>> might have already {done,see} this.
=>
=>If this is a one time thing, you could use mutt to do this.  Mutt
=>will let you tag messages based on a date range, and then save those
=>tagged messages to a separate mailbox.
=>
=>

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Re: C Question

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Lots of ways to flay that feline. Look at setitimer and getitimer.

Also, for really crude stuff, look at the alarm system call.  You can use
it by maybe setting your timer for something in the decade range and then
calling alarm whenever you want. The return will give you the time
remaining.

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On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Cole Tuininga wrote:

=>
=>Sorry for the OT post - thought the code I'm writing IS intended to
=>be run on linux boxen here.  *grin*
=>
=>I'm working on a generic network based lock server.  The problem I'm
=>running into is in regards to timing.  In my first iteration of the
=>server, it based timings on wallclock time ( a literal read from the
=>time(2) call ).  However, this isn't sufficient for my purposes in that
=>if a system clock gets "off" and then is reset, it could skew the
=>timing of what the server has to do.
=>
=>What I'm looking for is a way to be able to have a running timer that I
=>can poll at my leisure for time comparisons.  I'd prefer to stick to
=>plain 'ole POSIXish C rather than pulling in 3rd party libraries ( for
=>instance, I know that glib has a GTimer mechanism) but I don't know
=>enough about this stuff to pull it off.
=>
=>Anybody have pointers to things to look at?
=>
=>If this didn't make sense or people need clarifications, please feel
=>free to ask...
=>
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Re: books on firewalls

[Steven W. Orr]

Looks  like everyone has strong opinions here. I'd just like to add my
$.02 here of how to most efficiently implement your firewall after you've
written all those different books of varying quality.

There's a package out there called pmfirewall. (Check out where via
freshmeat).

There are a number of gui tools out there to help create your firewall. My
conclusion is that they all suck. The best way to do it is to use
pmfirewall, a perl program, which asks you a bunch of questions and then
produces a firewall as output. What it produces is remarkably complete in
that it provides files which interface into /etc/rc.d. It distinguishes
between system level components of the firewall and local customizations.

After pmfirewall produces its output it's very easy to make mods to
further customize.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

=>People,
=>
=>What is the best book on firewalls?
=>
=>Please keep the flame wars on brown, not toast.
=>Those other people do know the proper way to unsuscribe.
=>The timing indicates that they ar trying to give you a message.
=>BTW, how many people are on this list?
=>A couple of years ago, it was maybe 400.
=>Has it gone down lately?
=>
=>Bob Sparks
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Re: colocation services?

[Steven W. Orr]

You don't say what your parameters are, but I can tell you from a friends
experience to keep away from HarvardNet. My friend had a huge facilioty
with GTE (alias BBN) and was getting zero service from them. At great
expense he moved the whole kit'n'kaboodle over to HarvardNet. Things went
well for a very short time, and then HN started losing good people. HN
'fixed' the problem by hiring new people. The people they got were from,
you guessed it, GTE. Now HN is listed prominently on fuckedcompany.com :-)


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On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Tony Lambiris wrote:

=>Can anyone recommend any colocation services? If you can also include
=>any personal experience if it applies as well. You can send all
=>responses off the mailing list to me, unless you want everyone to know
=>how you feel, which Im guessing everyone will do.;)


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Re: Computing History (the 4004)

[Steven W. Orr]

Hey! Real Men (tm) have a .profile that just sez:

exec emacs

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On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Jeffry Smith wrote:

=>Paul Lussier said:
=>> In a message dated: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:09:18 EST
=>> Jeffry Smith said:
=>>
=>> >And a nice break from the debian/red hat wars (almost as much fun as vi/emacs
=>> >;)
=>>
=>> Hey!  Watch what you say about Emacs there buddy!  And make sure you show the
=>> proper respect for the world's most useful piece of software and  that's
=>> a capital 'E' to the likes of you!
=>
=>I thought you Emacians thought it was the only piece of software?
=>
=>
=>
=>jeff


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Re: Help! I think space aliens are trying to mess with my fan!

[Steven W. Orr]

Good shot except that the fan gets a *lower* pitch when I turn seti *off*.
Seti is not the problem of course. I did try a simple C program as well:
main(){while(1);}
and the same thing happens.

I guess I'm still open to an explanation. :-)

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On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Bill Freeman wrote:

=>Steven W. Orr writes that a fan in his PC changes pitch depending on whether
=>he is running setiathome:
=>
=>  My guess is that the fan runs slower because, without
=>setiathome running, the cpu really does run cooler, because it is
=>halted most of the time.  Linux doesn't just burn cycles when it is
=>really idle, but halts the cpu.  Interrupts from the clock tick and
=>other devices, like the keyboard and maybe network interface, wake it
=>up as necessary, but, assuming that it's a really fast cpu, that keeps
=>it un-halted only a small percentage of the time.  Setiathome is
=>compute bound, so it runs instead of waiting on something (like the
=>screen saver effectively waiting on a clock tick), and the cpu never
=>halts.
=>
=>  Any compute bound task should do the same thing.  You can check
=>by writing a trivial delay loop in your favorite language (a real old
=>fashioned delay loop, no calling sleep).  Run it with setiathome stopped
=>and the fan, I bet, will stay fast.
=>
=>  The point of setiathome is that your cpu usually is doing
=>nothing.  When the cpu is *really* doing nothing, Linux lets you save
=>power and heat (and some of the aging that heat causes).
=>
=>  Bill
=>


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Help! I think space aliens are trying to mess with my fan!

[Steven W. Orr]

I thought it would be fun to run setiathome on my linux platform. This is
going to sound funny, but...

I'm running it at a very low priority via nice and it doesn't seem to be
bothering me at all. But here's the catch: If I kill it, one of the two
fans in my box changes pitch by a full halftone.  Kill it and the tone
goes down, like a fan is going slower. Startit up and the pitch goes up by
that halftone. I have one regular cooling fan, and the other is built into
the power supply.

I don't think this is hurting anything but I'm curious as hell how this
could possibly be happening. Any takers?

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Re: Finding System V IPC creators?

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Generally speaking, no. But since you're running Linux you could probably
try to get involved in debugging the kernel :-(

Another way to figure it out is to rebuild your kernel without ipc
support. Then when somebody tried to perform  one of the three possible
create operations, it should fail and hopefully report back to you. BTW, I
consider it a mark of bad programming to create ipcs in such a way that
they are left around after the program has exited.


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On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Benjamin Scott wrote:

=>Hello list,
=>
=>  Does anyone here know of a way to find out which program created a System V
=>IPC resource?  I am aware of ipcs(8), but it will only tell you the PID, not
=>the actual program.  And if the creating program has since exited, the PID is
=>not very useful.  I'd like to know what all these IPC resources floating
=>around on some systems are.
=>
=>  The distro is Red Hat 6.2, if that matters.
=>
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Re: Calendars/Schedules/Etc.

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Not a web solution, but check out ical and syncal.
 http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/personal/Sanjay_Ghemawat/ical/

I don't have a URL for syncal but you should have no trouble fuinding it.
Check freshmeet.

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On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:

=>All,
=>
=>I'm looking for something, and I really don't know what it is. I need
=>some sort of calendar/scheduling system that will allow people to set up
=>a calendar, make and manage appointments, etc. However, the major
=>requirements are that 1)they need to be able to synchronize it with
=>their PalmPilots and 2) it has to be network accessable. I'd prefer
=>something web-based, since it should really be platform independant
=>(Linux, Winblows, Mac). The only thing that I have seen so far is a
=>product called CyberScheduler, but they want $100 per user. I'd like
=>something either cheeper or free ;-)
=>
=>TIA,
=>Kenny


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Re: 'nother question

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Berkley Internet Name Domain == BIND

The point is that a frequently used interface is the resolver. Things like
gethostbyname etc from libc, resolv.conf...

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On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Bruce Dawson wrote:

=>One of the great mysteries of the DNS world is: Why do they still refer
=>to 'bind' as 'named' - or vice versa? BIND's program is 'named', which
=>is what is usually running - there is no program called 'bind'!
=>(However, there is a RPM package called 'bind'). The two names for the
=>same thing just confuses people!
=>
=>At any rate: Your message is being generated by inetd; specifically, the
=>auth/tcp specification in /etc/inetd.conf (or whatever equivalent is on
=>your system). The message is saying that the service is already running.
=>So, you probably have S*identd in /etc/rc.d/rc*.d/ and you probably have
=>identd uncommented in /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf. If this is the
=>case, then I'd would comment out the identd line (aka "auth") in
=>/etc/inetd.conf and kill-HUP inetd.
=>
=>--Bruce
=>
=>"Thomas M. Albright" wrote:
=>>
=>> I don't have bind installed, but every 10 minutes this shows up in
=>> /var/log/messages:
=>> Jan 20 07:12:55 horror inetd[23342]: auth/tcp: bind: Address already in use
=>>
=>> Any ideas why? And/or how to make it stop?


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Re: Linuxcare Business Card CD ROM (fwd)

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I think someone should try and get a bunch of these to give away at our
next meeting. I personally would come just for that. :-)

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:18:39 -0800
From: Seth David Schoen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Craig Schoeberle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Linuxcare Business Card CD ROM

Craig Schoeberle writes:

> Is it possible to obtain the Linuxcare Business Card CD ROM ?

Sure, if you go to LinuxWorld in New York and look for the Linuxcare booth.
Or if you want to burn one, or if your local Linux user group requests them
directly.

Or, I've been saying, you could try to buy them on eBay. :-)

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Anyone know how to view a .asf file?

[Steven W. Orr]

I see these things around and I have no idea how to view them under Linux.
Anyone?

TIA

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USB novice question.

[Steven W. Orr]

My wife bought a digital camera but it runs on a usb port. Turns out that
my 'puter has a usb port already on it, so I thought...

Ok. Here's the deal. I'm running kernel 2.2.18. Can someone tell me what I
have to do to make linux talk to the port? I guess I need to know.

* What kernel thingys do I turn on?
* What devices do I create?
* Should I use devfs? How do I do it?

After that I'm hoping that gphoto can take over.

Many thanks all.

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Re: odd message

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I recommend running rpm -V on all files in all packages. Just to make sure
that important things like ps weren't replaced with a version that
supports hiding them.

I also recommend getting pmfirewall. I looked at all of the linux free
firewall stuff out there and pmfirewall wins hands down. No gui but the
stuff that it produces is the best of them all.

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On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Tom Rauschenbach wrote:

=>
=>
=>Hi folks
=>
=>This
=>
=>Dec 31 15:12:39 localhost rpc.statd[302]: gethostbyname
=>error for ^X÷˙ż^X÷˙ż^Y÷˙ż^Y÷˙ż^Z÷˙ż^Z÷˙ż^[÷˙ż^[÷˙żb760 8049710
=>8052c28687465676274736f6d616e797265206520726f7220726f66
=>
=>
=>just appeared in my syslog.  Other than pointing out that my
=>machine thinks its name is localhost, does anyone know what this
=>might mean ?
=>
=>Thanks
=>
=>
=>
=>
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Re: umask and owership

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Yes. Set the t bit on the directory and make sure that the umask for the
user is set to 0 in /etc/profile. :-)

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On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:

=>This is probably a dumb question, but here goes, anyway...
=>
=>There is a user that has a directory under their home directory that
=>they want to to be owned/grouped nobody and mode 777, as well as
=>everything under it. When they create a subdirectory, it is
=>owned/grouped them and mode 755. Is there a way to set the umask and
=>ownership an a single subdirectory?
=>
=>
=>TIA,
=>Kenny


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Re: pine

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The latest pine is 4.31. Lots of bugs fixed.

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Kurth Bemis wrote:

=>
=>hey all - i really really like pine.  its nifty :-)  one problem
=>tho.  whenever anyone sends me mail from outlook express pine dosen't
=>display the message.  Anyone had similar problems..i'm using version
=>4.21..so the version thati have isn't too old
=>
=>~kurth
=>
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Re: sig in pine

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It's called signature. You can get it over at rufus.

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Kurth Bemis wrote:

=>
=>i remember a while ago that there was a hack or a script to make pine grab
=>a fortune and stick it in your sig every time that pine called your .sig
=>file.  So that each time you sent a mail a diff fortune was in it.
=>
=>does anyone know how to do this?
=>
=>~kurth



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Re: parport0: detected irq 7; use procfs to enable ...

[Steven W. Orr]

This is great info, except for one small problem. I have no /proc/parport.
In fact I have no parport or irq file anywhere in /proc. I'm running
2.2.18 as of yesterday. Any idea why or what I should do instead?

Thanks.

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Benjamin Scott wrote:

=>On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Steven W. Orr wrote:
=>> parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [SPP,ECP,ECPPS2]
=>
=>  This is a normal diagnostic, simply indicating that the parallel port driver
=>(parport) found a PC-style (as opposed to Sun, etc.) parallel port at base
=>address 0x378 hex.  The letters in brackets indicate capabilities.  SPP is
=>"Standard Parallel Port", and is pretty much universal.  ECP is "Enhanced
=>Capabilities Port", and uses DMA -- it is designed for parallel-port Zip
=>drives and the like.
=>
=>> parport0: detected irq 7; use procfs to enable interrupt-driven operation.
=>
=>  This indicates that the parallel port driver suspects the port supports
=>interrupt driven operation using IRQ7.  You can enable interrupt-driven
=>operation by writing the interrupt number to the appropriate node in the proc
=>filesystem, e.g.:
=>
=>  echo 7 > /proc/parport/0/irq
=>
=>> lp0: using parport0 (polling).
=>
=>  This indicates the parallel port driver is using polled, as opposed to
=>interrupt-driven, operation.  IRQ auto-detection can go wrong with horrible
=>results, so polled is the default.  See above for how to change to
=>interrupt-driven mode.
=>
=>  Polling the parallel port controller for status updates does use some CPU
=>time, but I believe it is fairly insignificant.  YMMV.
=>
=>> cat uses obsolete /proc/pci interface
=>
=>  The /proc/pci interface is depreciated and will go away in some future
=>revision of the Linux kernel (replaced by the /proc/bus/pci branch).  The
=>kernel prints a warning whenever a program accesses this node, with the name
=>of the program in question.  Unfortunately, in this case, the program was
=>"cat", doubtless called by some shell script or system utility.  You will have
=>to hunt it down yourself if you are worried about it.  Using "grep /proc/pci"
=>on directories like /etc/rc.d may help.
=>
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parport0: detected irq 7; use procfs to enable interrupt-drivenoperation.

[Steven W. Orr]

I'm just noticing this. I'm running 2.2.18. The whole context at boot time
looks like this:

parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [SPP,ECP,ECPPS2]
parport0: detected irq 7; use procfs to enable interrupt-driven operation.
lp0: using parport0 (polling).
cat uses obsolete /proc/pci interface

Anyone know what this means? Can I fix it? Should I?

Thanks.

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Re: Building 2.2.17 kernel on Redhat 7.0

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This probably won't work. The correct solution is to modify the top level
Makefileso that the definition for CC reads:

CC  =$(CROSS_COMPILE)kgcc -D__KERNEL__ -I$(HPATH)

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=>Do a `make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install CC=kgcc`
=>
=>Kenny
=>
=>Marc Evans wrote:
=>>
=>> Hi -
=>>
=>> Has anyone attempted to build the 2.2.17 kernel sources on a system
=>> installed with Redhet 7.0? I am encountering errors in cpp macro expansion
=>> while processing checksum.S and the code there seems fine...
=>>
=>> Thanks in advance - Marc


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Re: 4th Quarter GNHLUG meeting

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Jerry, I'll be there with my wife too. :-)

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Re: firestarter

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Sorry, I took a look at firestarter. Gui is good but it's not better.
Get pmfirewall, answer the rude questions as good as you can and then make
mods to the resulting script if you need to. It's the bestI've seen  so
far.

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On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Tom Rauschenbach wrote:

=>
=>
=>
=>
=>I'm trying to build a package called firestarter which let's you configure a
=>firewall.  The build is failing, not finding  status-docklet.h.  Does
=>anyone know what package contains this file ?


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Re: Stupid rpm question

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Other people have answered you already re the upgrade to 3.0.6 first and
then jumping to 4.0.

I just wanted to add that after the upgrade to 4.0 you will still have 3.0
format data. You need to run rpm --rebuilddb after the final upgrade.

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote:

=>
=>Okay,
=>
=>Maybe I'm missing something intuitively obvious here, but how does one upgrade
=>rpm *with* rpm?
=>
=>
=>  $ rpm -Uvh  rpm-4.0-4.i386.rpm
=>  only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM
=>  error: rpm-4.0-4.i386.rpm cannot be installed
=>  $ rpm -Uvh --force rpm-4.0-4.i386.rpm
=>  only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM
=>  error: rpm-4.0-4.i386.rpm cannot be installed
=>  $ rpm -Uvh --force --nodeps rpm-4.0-4.i386.rpm
=>  only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM
=>  error: rpm-4.0-4.i386.rpm cannot be installed
=>
=>
=>Any clues?  Why am I still running RH again?  I really need to switch to
=>debian at home!
=>
=>Thanks,
=>


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SOLVED: Was: Problem with mounting a cdrom.

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It turns out that the filesystem on the cdrom was iso9660 after all but
with Joliet extensions. In addition I might have been lacking nls_cp437
support as well. I built a new kernel with Joliet and nls and now all the
filenames have mixed case.

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On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, cdowns wrote:

=>"Steven W. Orr" wrote:
=>
=>> [root@syslang /mnt]# mount -t vfat /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
=>> mount: /dev/cdrom has wrong major or minor number
=>>
=>> I'm stil open to ideas. :-)
=>>
=>> On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, cdowns wrote:
=>>
=>> =>"Steven W. Orr" wrote:
=>> =>
=>> =>> I got a cd in the mail from APPGEN. I mount it using:
=>> =>>
=>> =>> mount /mnt/cdrom
=>> =>>
=>> =>> and it seems to mount ok.  Then I cd /mnt/cdrom and I see the following:
=>> =>>
=>> =>> [root@syslang cdrom]# ls
=>> =>> license  readme  setup.sh  setup~1.kde  zag_init  zag_li~1  zagjava.gif
=>> =>> [root@syslang cdrom]#
=>> =>>
=>> =>> The problem is that, according to appgen, the file zag_init is supposed to
=>> =>> be zaG_INIT.  And setup.sh is supposed to be Setup.sh
=>> =>>
=>> =>> I checked the man page formount and I don't see anything wrong. My mtab
=>> =>> file sez:
=>> =>>
=>> =>> /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,nosuid,nodev 0 0
=>> =>>
=>> =>> and my mount command (with no args) sez
=>> =>>
=>> =>> /dev/scd0 on /mnt/cdrom type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev)
=>> =>>
=>> =>> I saw that check=strict is the default, so I am out out of ideas. Anybody
=>> =>> have any idea? BTW, APPGEN has no clue at all. "Hey it works for me."
=>> =>>
=>> =>> TIA
=>> =>it is possible that the filesystem on the cd is joliet. and that the
=>> =>file formats have not supported long file name... i would mount the th
=>> =>cdrom like so :
=>> =>
=>> =>mount -t vfat /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
=>> =>
=>> =>just to verify that the filesystem is FAT. if you mount it this way and the
=>> =>filenmes still have ~.1 they do not have long filename and are being treated as
=>> =>dos filnames.
=>> =>
=>> =>i hope this makes sense  i think ive worded it very strangle...
=>> =>
=>> =>well goodluck.
=>> =>
=>> =>chris
=>> =>
=>> =>
=>
=>well do you have a symlink to /dev/scd0 ? if not then try this:
=>
=>mount -t vfat /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom
=>
=>try this ..
=>
=>chris
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Problem with mounting a cdrom.

[Steven W. Orr]

I got a cd in the mail from APPGEN. I mount it using:

mount /mnt/cdrom

and it seems to mount ok.  Then I cd /mnt/cdrom and I see the following:

[root@syslang cdrom]# ls
license  readme  setup.sh  setup~1.kde  zag_init  zag_li~1  zagjava.gif
[root@syslang cdrom]#

The problem is that, according to appgen, the file zag_init is supposed to
be zaG_INIT.  And setup.sh is supposed to be Setup.sh

I checked the man page formount and I don't see anything wrong. My mtab
file sez:

/dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,nosuid,nodev 0 0

and my mount command (with no args) sez

/dev/scd0 on /mnt/cdrom type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev)

I saw that check=strict is the default, so I am out out of ideas. Anybody
have any idea? BTW, APPGEN has no clue at all. "Hey it works for me."

TIA

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Re: Speaking of RPM...

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It's a bug in rpm. Do this:

rpm -e --allmatches --nodeps
until the package is really gone. Then just reinstall it using -Uvh.

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On Thu, 9 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

=>I've got one for you RPM fans:  I wanna wipe my (beta) KDE slate clean
=>to go to KDE 2.x, so, naturally, I want to remove the old RPMS.
=>
=># rpm -e kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62
=>error: "kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62" specifies multiple packages
=>
=># rpm -q -a | grep kdeadmin
=>kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62
=>kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62
=>
=># rpm --rebuilddb
=># rpm -q -a | grep kdeadmin
=>kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62
=>kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62
=>
=>
=>WhadoIdo?
=>
=>Thanks,
=>
=>-Ken


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Re: Zombie

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I always thought that this was one of the beauties of rpm. If you thought
you were hacked, all you need to do is to reinstall rpm a la

rpm -Uvh --force rpm-blahblah

and then run 

rpm -Va 

to see if any individual files are corrupted.

Am I being naive?

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Cole Tuininga wrote:

=>On Nov 1, Tom Laurie claimed:
=>
=>> I've helped a little with other gnhlug members to set up Concord Christian's
=>> Linux box connected to their Mediaone cable running IPChains.  They got a
=>> call from ATT Broadband yesterday saying that their computer was being used
=>> to hack into other computers and sure enough, when you reboot their server
=>> it says Zombie at some point.
=>>  
=>> Does anyone know how to clean the Zombie off of their server?
=>
=>The word "reinstallation" comes to mind.  Once a box has been hacked, you
=>can't trust ANYTHING on it.  The unfortunate answer is that you will need
=>to reinstall the entire box.
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Re: X Computing for RH7 CDs?

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Ok. Now I'm curious. I'm running 7.0 myself and it seems fine. No problem
with the compilers. X is an upgrade so I remained pointed at the SVGA X
driver until I noiced it and now I'm using the real X-4 driver. Seems to
work fine. I happen to be running with KDE and that seems ok too. The only
problem I had was with pine where the broke the backspace key, but an
update fixed that.

BTW, when I went with the new X driver it worked right away. Now I'm
running at 1600x1200@2bpp@85Hz. No complaints. At lower bitplanes it
wanted to give me 1900 Horiz. :-)

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On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:

=>DON'T DO IT, BOB!!! I upgraded my systems at home to RH7. I went
=>back to 6.2 after 10 days. It's broken in so many ways that I can't even
=>list them all. The compilers don't work, the window managers are hosed,
=>X4.0.1 is "customized" for RH, etc. etc. etc. But, if you insist on
=>doing it, check out http://www.cheapbytes.com. Either that, or send me
=>your address and I'll mail you my RH7 CD's (downloaded and burned `em
=>myself), since I sure won't be using them again!
=>
=>Kenny
=>
=>Bob Bell wrote:
=>> 
=>> I'm looking to finally get my hands on Red Hat Linux 7.0 Intel CDs
=>> so I can update my systems at home.  Unfortunately, downloading 2 CDs
=>> over a 33.6 modem is not really an option.  I've looked around, and X
=>> Computing (http://www.xcomputing.com/) appears to be the cheapest place
=>> to get pressed RH7 CDs.  I was wondering if any one had experience with
=>> them before I place an order.
=>
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Re: X Computing for RH7 CDs?

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Also check out cheapbytes.com
They might cost you a buck or two more, but they have all the cd's. The
guys you pointed to only have the binaries. The RH-70 release is actually
5 cd's. 2 Bin, 1 Src, 1 Doc, + 1 Powertools.

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On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bob Bell wrote:

=>I'm looking to finally get my hands on Red Hat Linux 7.0 Intel CDs
=>so I can update my systems at home.  Unfortunately, downloading 2 CDs
=>over a 33.6 modem is not really an option.  I've looked around, and X
=>Computing (http://www.xcomputing.com/) appears to be the cheapest place
=>to get pressed RH7 CDs.  I was wondering if any one had experience with
=>them before I place an order.
=>
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Re: Modules

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Ok. I'll try this one. Modules are frequently written to be tied into
certain kernel structures which are very dependent on a particular rev of
the kernel. In case a module is not dependent on a particular version of a
kernel, you can compile your modules with the feature "Set version
information on all symbols for modules" set to no.

Is this my final answer? Well Regis, it is but I'm only about 80%
sure. Can someone confirm?

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On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:

=>All,
=>
=>Is there any way to compile modules so that they are portable from one
=>kernel version to another? I would like to build modules on one system
=>and be able to insert them into /lib/modules/kernel-rev and have them
=>actually work (demanding, ain't I? ;-). I'd like to have a fairly broad
=>spectrum of kernel choices. It would be nice if the modules could work
=>with *ANY* 2.2.x kernel. However, I have a hard time compiling for one
=>minor version and going to another (i.e compiling for 2.2.14 and using
=>with a 2.2.16).
=>
=>I know that there is a kernel option to set kernel module info that is
=>*SUPPOSED* to do this, but it never seems to work for me. 
=>
=>TIA,
=>Kenny


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Did someone want an X-terminal?

[Steven W. Orr]

Someone at the meeting last week expressed an interest, but I forgot to
get hooked up. I'm in Framingham. It's here if you want it.

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Re: What would this do to our LUGS and the Open Source Community?

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I'm curious about this. Let's say that the forces of stoopiditee prevail
and this bill goes through. My ISP is not my SMTP server. I'm running
(surprahz surprahz) Linux and, in fact, I have my  system configured so
that I'm using my own sendmail server as my delivery agent. My ISP never
even sees my outgoing mail unless I mail something to him. How would a
bill like this account for all the mail that doesn't go through an ISP?

I wonder if this would encourage more people to run Linux... hmmm

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Lori Hitchcock wrote:

=>WRITE YOUR REPRESENTATIVES
=>
=>
=>VOTE NO ON Bill 602P
=>I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mail
=>It figures! No more free E-mail! We knew this was coming!
=>
=>Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent
=>charge on every delivered E-mail. Please read the following carefully
=>if you intend o stay on-line and continue using E-mail.
=>
=>The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the
=>Government of the United States attempting to quietly push through
=>legislation that will affect our use of the Internet.
=>
=>Under proposed legislation, the US Postal Service will be
=>attempting to bill E-mail users out of "alternative postage fees". 
=>
=>Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent
=>surcharge on every E-mail delivered, by billing Internet Service
=>Providers at
=>the source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP.
=>
=>Washington DC lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent
=>this legislation from becoming law. The US Postal Service is claiming
=>lost revenue, due to the proliferation of E-mail, is costing nearly
=>$230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad
=>campaign: "There is nothing like a letter."
=>
=>Through E-mail people can keep in touch with those they may not normally
=>send a letter to or contact otherwise!
=>
=>Since the average person received about 10 pieces of E-mail per day
=>in 1998, the cost of the typical individual would be an additional $0.50
=>(cents) a day - or over $180 per year - above and beyond their regular
=>Internet costs.
=>
=>Note that this would be money paid directly to the US Postal Service for
=>a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the Internet
=>is democracy and noninterference. You are already paying an exorbitant
=>price for snail mail because of bureaucratic efficiency. It currently 
=>takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from coast to coast.
=>
=>If the US Postal Service is allowed to tinker with E-mail, it will
=>mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. Congressional
=>Representative, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a "$20-$40 per month
=>surcharge on all Internet service above and beyond the government's
=>proposed E-mail charges.
=>
=>Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story - the
=>only exception being the Washingtonian - which called the idea of E-mail
=>surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" - Mar 6th, 1999
=>-Editorial.
=>
=>Do not sit by and watch your freedom erode away! Send this E-mail to
=>EVERYONE on your list, and tell all your friends and relatives to
=>write their congressional representative and say "NO" to Bill 602P. It 
=>will only take a few moments of your time and could very well be
=>instrumental
=>in killing a bill we do not want.
=>Please forward!
=>Thank you!!!
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Re: need help w/question about flex YACC & Bison

[Steven W. Orr]

People have made some good suggestions here but let me just throw in my
$.02

1. You never really told us whehter you think you have a scanner or a
   parser problem. For discussion purposes, I am assuming you have a
   parser problem. If you can get to the point of understanding LALR
   closure, the -d optin to yacc or bison will give you a y.debug
   file which will show you exactly what static decisions are being
   made. One thing to be careful of: Bison (and yacc) are
   LALR(1). This means that if you inadvertantly code a grammar that
   is LALR(>1), then bison will do what it does based on the
   assumption that you are giving it LALR(1). This will be wrong. If
   you really do have a grammar that is not LA1, you might have/want
   to take a look at PCCTS (pronounced pockets). That will handle
   LR(k). 

2. Not a quick solution, but in addition to the suggested reading
   that came out on this list, there's a really excellent chapter of
   LALR in the Dragon Book: Principles of Compiler Construction by
   Aho and Ullman (Addison Wesley). The other stuff will have much
   more meaning if you can hack through this.

Lemme know.

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On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Bruce McCulley wrote:

=>I'm trying to debug a program that includes a proprietary language
=>implemented using flex and yacc, and I've run into a brick wall (or
=>perhaps it's the limits of my knowledge appearing to be a brick wall?)
=>
=>I've got a hard failure with a particular input sequence, easily
=>reproducible.  Thing is, it looks ok to my visual inspection, and the
=>execution context looks ok right up until it SEGVs with a null pointer.
=>Thing is, I'm trying to find where the pointer should be set, and it
=>looks like it may be in a stack frame identified as "yyparse()" which
=>gdb says is in the yacc input source.  I've been unable to find that
=>function anywhere, and I'm hoping someone on this list might be able to
=>help me.  Anyone able to give me a lifeline, please?
=>
=>THANKS!
=>
=>--Bruce McCulley


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dhcpcd vs. dhcp-client?

[Steven W. Orr]

I just switched from pump to dhcpcd for my cable modem and now I see that
there's (at least) Yet Another dhcp client out there. Does anyone know
anything about possible pros and cons of dhcpcd vs. dhcp-client?

TIA

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Re: open files, super-newbie-question

[Steven W. Orr]

You need to set it using PAM. The change will go into
/etc/security/limits.conf

Have fun.

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Diego wrote:

=>Dear Gurus,
=>
=>I am using RH 6.2 & 6.2: I would like to know how to increase the 'open files limit' 
fo the whole system, not per user bases, sorry very newbie question. The ulimit -a 
tell  me 1024 open files.
=>Thanks for your time.
=>Diego Mezzera.
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Need an ifup that know about dhcpcd instead of pump.

[Steven W. Orr]

Is anyone using it? If so, could you please send me your /sbin/ifup
script?

Many thanks.

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asf files anyone?

[Steven W. Orr]

Someone sent me a movie with an asf extension. Anyone know how to play it
under linux?

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Re: Anyone using pump script?

[Steven W. Orr]

Ok. Let me be clearerer. Under Red Hat, the DHCP client that is used is
pump. The pump client is supposed to read /etc/pump.conf. In there I'm
allowed to specify a script which will be executed on lease, renewal and
release. I was wondering what wildly creative things people have done to
take advantage of this.

Any takers?

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On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Benjamin Scott wrote:

=>On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Steven W. Orr wrote:
=>> It occurred to me that people might be using their pump script.  zCould you
=>> mail them to me?  I'd like to see what sort of creative things people are
=>> doing with them.
=>
=>  Not sure what you mean by "pump script"... but I posted a pair of
=>ifup-local/ifdown-local scripts for use with the DHCP client of your choice
=>not long ago.  The exact implementation is Red Hat-specific, but should adapt
=>to other distros fairly easily.  You'll find them in the archive here:
=>
=>  http://www.mail-archive.com/gnhlug@zk3.dec.com/msg05035.html
=>
=>  HTH!


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Anyone using pump script?

[Steven W. Orr]

It occurred to me that people might be using their pump script. zCould you
mail them to me? I'd like to see what sort of creative things people are
doing with them.

Thanks.

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Re: Redhat 7.0

[Steven W. Orr]

 > cd /usr/bin
1112 > rpm -q rpm
rpm-3.0.5-3mdk
1113 > rpm -qf ./mawk
mawk-1.3.3-1mdk
1114 > 


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On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Jeff Macdonald wrote:

=>As far as I know, it always needed the full path
=>
=>At 02:03 PM 7/31/00 -0400, Cole Tuininga wrote:
=>
=>>*laugh*  Ok - this is just amusing.
=>>
=>>Trying out the Redhat 7.0 beta.  Noticed that lpd no longer is in the
=>>"lpr" package so I was trying to find out what it was (so I could
=>>uninstall it).  The following occurred:
=>>
=>>[root@(removed) etc]# rpm -qf ./rc.d/init.d/lpd
=>>file /rc.d/init.d/lpd: No such file or directory
=>>[root@(removed) etc]# cd rc.d/init.d
=>>[root@(removed) init.d]# rpm -qf ./lpd
=>>file /lpd: No such file or directory
=>>
=>>(*sigh*)
=>>
=>>[root@(removed) init.d]# rpm -qf `pwd`/lpd
=>>LPRng-3.6.21-8
=>>
=>>Is this just a bug in rpm 4?
=>>
=>>In other news, I'm very psyched that they've switched over to xinetd!
=>>8)
=>>
=>>--
=>>Out of my mind.  Back in five minutes.
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Re: your mail

[Steven W. Orr]

What you're asking for is not an X windows resource but a window manager
property. Under Motif (for example) there was (something like)
Motif*FocusPolicy. I haven't used a window manager in a while that used an
X resource for focus policy definition. (I'm using KDE these days.) But
the bottom line is that the answer you seek (if it's controlled by a
resource) would be in the man page for your particular window manager.

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On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Tom Rauschenbach wrote:
=>Does anybody know off the top of his head the name of the Xwindows resource
=>that lets you set focus policy ?  I'd like to have focus follow the mouse but
=>not bring the window forward until I click on on it so I can type into an
=>obscured window.


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Looking for a free computer.

[Steven W. Orr]

There was a discusion here recently concerning 250 computers that were
being given away. I have a friend who is a 16YO disabled girl who can not
afford her own computer. If anyone has something (or that previous lot is
still around), please contact me. She's clearly one of the best candidates
for receiving such a gift.

Thanks.

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Re: recommendations for Linux texts

[Steven W. Orr]

Just curious. In what way are fileutils from Red Hat broken?

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Derek Martin wrote:

=>Today, Rich Payne gleaned this insight:
=>
=>> EeRedHat 6.0 was pretty much a nightmare. 6.2 is much better, and
=>
=>Most notably, the fileutils package has some brokenness in it due to
=>RedHat trying to unnecessarily "fix" things...  The original versions of
=>the sources they use as their base work perfectly fine.  In particular,
=>the sort command is extremely broken.  Other programs in that package are
=>also broken as well.


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Re: kill zombie process

[Steven W. Orr]

Assuming that you don't have a device problem (which very frequently
accounts for zombie problems), then your attack approach is to kill the
parent of the zombie. When the parent goes away, the zombie will be
inherited by init and then init will reap the process status.

The problem is occurring in the first place because the parent of the
zombie is not executing a wait system call.

One last note: If the parent is a shell, you can just either hit return or
issue the wait command without having to kill the parent.

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Warren Mansur wrote:

=>Hi,
=>
=>What do you do when you have a process that will not die?  I tried
=>regular kill, and then I tried kill -9.  I killed all processes that
=>could be associated with the process.  But, I still cannot kill the
=>process.  Is there any way to do this without rebooting?
=>
=>Thanks.


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Re: Linux Firewalls

[Steven W. Orr]

I too am very interested in firewalling my newly acquired cable modem.

Currently I'm using something I found called pmfirewall. It works
wonderfully by asking lots of questions and them producing ipchains
commands as output. It's really very well done, but (there's always a
butt), I really want something that works as well as pmfirewall but also
remembers what I did so I don't have to answer all the questions from
scratch every time. The problem with other ipchains interfaces I have
looked at is that they don't allow anything but vanilla firewalls, i.e.,
all or nothing.

My particular (relatively simple) situation is that I want one or two
machines to have unlimited access, then have a few machines each that are
allowed access via certain specified ports.

No other ipchains interface does this that I know about. If anyone has a
good recommendation, I'm open.

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

=>I was one of the people on vacation during the week of  the last meeting
=>(centralug) so didn't realize it was cancelled.  Just my luck (after
=>missing the past couple of meetings) I really wanted to go to this meeting,
=>and first went to the Centennial, then the Holiday Inn.  Oh well!
=>
=>Is the firewall topic going to be on next month's agenda?  I hope so, cause
=>I'm very interested in this issue.  I've read some material about a  Linux
=>based firewall app "Fireplug".  Has anyone heard of this, and if so, would
=>you recommend it.  You can get an evaluation copy at www.edge.fireplug.net.
=>The blurb on the software from the site is:  "This software will allow you
=>to turn a very minimally configured consumer PC (you know that old 486,
=>currently being used as a doorstop) into a basic stand alone Internet
=>firewall, complete with address translation, proxying, and IP packet
=>forwarding."  I'm thinking of using a Dell PII 266 with 2.1 gig as a PC
=>dedicated to a firewall; is this sufficient?  I was considering using an
=>IBM Pentium 133 with 1.1 gig, but thought the processor was too slow and
=>would create a bottleneck to get info to/from the internet on a SMALL
=>network - are my concerns valid or is this P133 sufficient? and you can get
=>a one month evaluaation copy).


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Re: Cable Modem DHCP Question

[Steven W. Orr]

Thanks. I happen to be using pump which is what gets started by the netcfg
interface. Seems to work fine.

I do have a question though. Do you happen to know if my DHCP IP address
can change while I'm up or can it only change when I'm in a reboot?

The reason I'm asking is because, though it's not permanent, I do have a
DNS name which is pointed to by a forward file on my world account. This
allows me to be mail delivered by smtp instead of by pop3.

I know that in terms of practical purposes, my address is good for
*around* 6 months. So I have some scripting which will change my .forward
file if I boot with a different address.

Anybody know?

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Benjamin Scott wrote:

=>On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Steven W. Orr wrote:
=>> Can someone tell me what the pros an cons are comparing pump vs. dhcpcd?
=>> Is it as simple as one works and the other doesn't?
=>
=>  Pretty much.  However, *which* one will work on your network varies.
=>
=>  Earlier versions of pump -- those shipped with Red Hat 6.0 and 6.1, in
=>particular -- were extremely buggy, but the author seems to have cleaned
=>things up in more recent releases.
=>
=>


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Re: cmd line sound

[Steven W. Orr]

I don't have a kde commandline wav player (I think that might be an
anachronism). Why not just use play?

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Tom Rauschenbach wrote:

=>
=>
=>
=>I had an idea to pipe my log file into an expect script (if you don't know
=>about expect, you should check it out) and give my audible notice of certain
=>events.  So I'm looking for a non GUI .wav file player.  I asked on the KDE list
=>what KDE uses for system sounds and got no response.  Does anybody here know
=>what KDE uses or know of something else I could use ?


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Re: Cable Modem DHCP Question

[Steven W. Orr]

Sorry, I didn't even think of dhcpcd. 

Can someone tell me what the pros an cons are comparing pump
vs. dhcpcd? Is it as simple as one works and the other doesn't?

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On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Cole Tuininga wrote:

=>"Steven W. Orr" wrote:
=>> 
=>> The dhcpd is used as a dhcp server. If you have a cable modem then you are
=>> a dhcp client. If you have other computers in your net which you want to
=>> assign ip addresses to, *then* you would use dhcpd.
=>
=>Yup - dhcpd is the dhcp server.  What I said is "dhcpcd"  (DHCP Client
=>Daemon) which is (I believe) what Mandrake 7.1 tries to use for dhcp by
=>default.  This is what my friend had no luck with which is why I was
=>suggesting trying pump.


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Re: Cable Modem DHCP Question

[Steven W. Orr]

The dhcpd is used as a dhcp server. If you have a cable modem then you are
a dhcp client. If you have other computers in your net which you want to
assign ip addresses to, *then* you would use dhcpd.

The pump rpm includes netconfig, so you can set up your dhcp connection to
be at boottime. The options are all there.

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On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Cole Tuininga wrote:

=>
=>A friend here has it set up.
=>
=>He says that when he set it up, by default Mandrake tried to use dhcpcd
=>and that it didn't work at all for him.  He used pump instead.
=>
=>To do this, make sure the pump rpm is installed.  Then go into
=>/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts and change the PROTO line in ifcfg-eth0
=>to say:
=>
=>PROTO = pump
=>
=>Hopefully that should help.  8)


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