Re: MS Makes Donation to Peru

[numberwhun]

I am hoping that they are smart enough to take the money 
and still run to Linux.  They just need to make sure they 
read the fine print.
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/020715/microsoft_peru_1.html
> 
> Monday July 15, 7:54 pm Eastern Time
> 
> Associated Press
> Microsoft Makes Donation to Peru
> Microsoft Makes $550,000 Contribution to Peru in Money, Software and 
> Consulting Services
> 
> REDMOND, Wash. (AP) -- Microsoft Corp. is providing about $550,000 in 
> money, software and consulting services to the Peruvian government for 
> educational and "e-government" initiatives. 
> 
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> Of all the thirty-six alternatives, running away is best. 
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CORRECTION: Microsoft vs. Linux

[numberwhun]

Sorry for the confusion.  The above subject is what I 
meant.  

Ok, I saw this on slashdot.org and had to share:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Embedded/sak/evaluation/
compare/advantage.asp

Jeff


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Microsoft vs. Windows ( He he he )

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Ok, I saw this on slashdot.org and had to share:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Embedded/sak/evaluation/
compare/advantage.asp

Jeff


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Re: Meeting tonight, Sun cables, Charter

[numberwhun]

I have had cable with AT&T for quite a while and have not 
had any major problems.   I have a wireless router coming 
off of my cable modem, so all my machines get on the 
internet just fine by doing DHCP from the router.  

Jeff Kirkland
> OK, three quick things (now that I'm back on the list), first being my regrets 
> at not making tonight's meeting.
> 
> Second, I'm looking for a keyboard cable and the optical mousepad (or a new 
> mouse) for a Sun Sparc 10 workstation.  I'm trying to get it working with 
> Linux, and found out it's missing some parts.  Once set up, I'm confident I 
> can run it headless (I used to with other Sun equipment), but, alas, need some 
> basic stuff to get the new OS loaded, etc.
> 
> Third, Charter Communications (our cable provider here) has just started 
> offering cable modem / high speed internet.  Anyone have any experience with 
> them, especially in terms of Linux friendliness?  I've very tempted to change 
> over (better than my 25K line ;), but want to see what new problems I'll run 
> into.
> 
> thanks in advance,
> jeff
> 
> 
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Re: Dinner

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> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, at 7:19pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Ok, now to throw out the question of where we are going to meet to eat
> > before the meeting.
> 
>   Which is, of course, the really important question.  ;-)
> 

Actually, it's a moral imperative. 

> > Is everyone open to meeting again at the buffet restaurant on Amherst St
> > again? Or, is there another place that people would like to meet at at
> > around 6pm for dinner?
> 
>   I thought it was pretty good, for a buffet restaurant, so I'm all for it.  
> On the other hand, if someone else who knows the area has a suggestion, I'm
> open to that, too.
> 

The key is FOOD!  The place was pretty good and easy on the wallet.

Jeff


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Dinner

[numberwhun]

Ok, now to throw out the question of where we are going 
to meet to eat before the meeting.  Is everyone open to 
meeting again at the buffet resturaunt on Amherst St 
again? Or, is there another place that people would like 
to meet at at around 6pm for dinner?  

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RE: decent dial-up providers in Andover, MA?

[numberwhun]

Suzanne,

When my wife and I were living in Plaistow, NH, we had to
go with dial-up for a while.  There is a company called
'BiznessOnline'.  They had a connection in Haverhill,
Ma.  I connected right at the high end of 56K every
time.  They are $17.95 unmetered.  They don't require a
credit card and bill you in the mail for the service. 
Here is the link:

http://www.biznessonline.com/prodserv/access/dialup.shtml

Regards,

Jeff Kirkland

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> > or cable modems are cheaper than dsl.
> 
> FYI for anyone else who responds, cable is not an option.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions so far, though!
> 
> Suzanne
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Question about postings....

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Ok, I have an issue that I am wondering if anyone here 
has an answer to as it is rather annoying.  This issue 
has happened a few times in the past week.  I thought it 
was just me, but am now thinking otherwise. 

I replied to a post this morning.  I have not yet seen it 
arrive to the list yet.  It has been a couple of hours 
since my post and I now have a couple of mail 
administrator messages in my mailbox.  The first one 
says:

**  Begin Quote ***

This Message was undeliverable due to the following 
reason:

 The user(s) account is temporarily over quota.

 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 if you feel this message to be in error.

 Reporting-MTA: dns; mtiwgwc25.worldnet.att.net
 Arrival-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:46:21 +
 Received-From-MTA: dns; zmamail05.zma.compaq.com 
(161.114.64.105)

 Original-Recipient: RFC822;<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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 Action: failed
 Status: 4.2.2

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The worst part is I did not send any email to the 
address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I only sent mail to:

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

and

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


The second mail administrator message has this in it:


* Begin Quote *

The original message was received at Mon, 24 Jun 2002 
11:46:14 -0400 (EDT)
 from zmamail05.zma.compaq.com [161.114.64.105]

- The following addresses had permanent fatal 
errors -
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 Please try again at a later time.

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later

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 Arrival-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:46:14 -0400 (EDT)

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Again, I didn't send anything to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My appologies for the long email, but this has happened 
the last few times I have tried to post to the list and 
it is really getting annoying.  Does anyone have any idea 
why this is happening.  Also, it happens when I hit 
'reply'.   If I type in [EMAIL PROTECTED] it seems to 
work ok. 
Thank you in advance for any answers.

Regards,

Jeff Kirkland


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Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?

[numberwhun]

I agree, that is a well written, to the point, unbiased 
write-up.  It will be interesting to see what pirate 
stations come out of this.  
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 11:00am, Bayard Coolidge USG wrote:
> > There is an interesting article about this in The Register, though:
> > http://www.theregus.com/content/6/25325.html
> 
>   I find Shoutcast's statement on the matter to be the most unbiased I have
> seen yet.  Open  and scroll down past the stream
> list to view it.
> 
>   I think the best point they make is, "... basically forces all
> broadcasters, hobbyist or not, to either move to content that is not
> label-owned, or pay the labels ..." [1].  The works in question are
> protected by copyright; the copyright owners (the media cartel) can do
> whatever they want with them, including deny you access completely.
> 
>   I think the most appropriate action here would be anti-trust proceedings
> against the media cartel.  Their actions are obviously those of a trust
> intent on illegally controlling the market.  Unfortunately, as evidenced by
> such legislation as the DMCA, the media cartel has effectively bought our
> government, making such proceedings unlikely.
> 
>   George Orwell's mistake was assuming that the threat of totalitarianism
> was from government.  1984 is arriving twenty years late.
> 
> Footnote
> 
> 
> [1] Note that this is a quotation, and thus is covered under the
> fair-use provisions of copyright law, and thus is exempt from the 
> copyright restriction that AOL Time Warner places on their statement.
> 
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Re: 10 most bizarre ways to destroy a laptop

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As they say down in Louisiana:

"Make good Gumbo yeah!!!".

#jlk
> At 11:50 AM 6/21/2002 -0400, Mark Komarinski wrote:
> 
> too bad the rabbit didn't but any electrical cords - Rabbit is pretty goo 
> all fried up :-)
> 
> Com'on..its Friday
> 
> ~kurth
> 
> >On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:02:47AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.completecomputercover.com/inlink/?topten
> >
> >  3. Dog chewed through cable
> >
> >I have a pet rabbit that we occasionally let out and hop around the
> >house.  Before we really realized what was going on, she had chewed through
> >the following:
> >
> >2 audio cables
> >telephone cable
> >SCSI cable (which then blew out the SCSI card)
> >cell phone charger
> >handspring sync cable
> >
> >In a few of the cases, the damage was obvious (the SCSI cable for instance),
> >but others were less so, since she didn't chew through the entire cable.
> >The telephone cable was chewed through only 1/2 way, so one wire was still
> >intact, while the other had intermittent contact.  The audio cable was
> >the same way, so I only had output for one channel.
> >
> >The rabbit was unharmed from all this, but she is confined to one room
> >of the house when we let her out.
> >
> >-Mark
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Re: 26 June 2002 Quarterly Mtg Issues - Please Read!

[numberwhun]

Paul-

If the decision is to reschedule, you may want to copy 
the Boston LUG as I believe they were invited via their 
mailing list.
I am all for a reschedule as I would also like to hear 
about the Mono project.

Jeff Kirkland

> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Ximian has requested a meeting date change to July 10th.  The problem 
> is that Nat Friedman was suddenly scheduled to travel that day on 
> company business and won't be able to make it on 26 June as 
> previously announced.
> 
> We have a decision to make:
> 
>   - Ximian is more than willing to hold to 26 June, but Nat 
> won't be there to discuss Mono.  They will be able to 
> discuss all the other things previously mentioned:
> GNOME, Evolution, direction of Ximian, etc., just no Nat or 
> technical discussion of Mono.
> 
>   - Move the meeting to 10 July and get all that, plus Nat 
> speaking about Mono.
> 
> 
> What would people rather do?
> 
> Please reply to the list address [EMAIL PROTECTED], NOT the announce 
> list this was sent out to (don't want Ben to sick his pet Peeve on us 
> again ;)
> 
> -- 
> 
> Seeya,
> Paul
> 
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Re: FYI, Linux gains ...

[numberwhun]

The article is at:

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/150/business/Linux_gain
s_in_government+.shtml
> Great article in Boston Globe, today.
> 
> "Linux gains in government"
> 
> http://www.boston.com/dailynews/150/economy/With_a_flurry_of_big_contracts:.
> shtml
> 
> paulc
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Re: Meeting Tonight

[numberwhun]

Ok, so what time are we going to meet at the American 
Buffet?  Normal time. 6pm?

#jlk
> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quipped:
> 
> >>> Any way you think we can get them to change their name to something
> >>> like: The pThread()
> 
> No more than we could get Martha's to... :-)
> 
> BTW, I've been to the Grand Buffet (with Maddog), and I certainly
> endorse his recommendation. They're cheap, they have beer, they have
> room, and they have a HUGE variety, and they're fast. So, if you don't
> like Asian food, you can try their American or their Italian or ...
> 
> Bayard
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Re: Meeting Tonight

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Ok, so what time are we going to meet at the American 
Buffet?  Normal time. 6pm?

#jlk
> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quipped:
> 
> >>> Any way you think we can get them to change their name to something
> >>> like: The pThread()
> 
> No more than we could get Martha's to... :-)
> 
> BTW, I've been to the Grand Buffet (with Maddog), and I certainly
> endorse his recommendation. They're cheap, they have beer, they have
> room, and they have a HUGE variety, and they're fast. So, if you don't
> like Asian food, you can try their American or their Italian or ...
> 
> Bayard
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Re: Meeting Tonight

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Ok, so what time are we going to meet at the American 
Buffet?  Normal time. 6pm?

#jlk
> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quipped:
> 
> >>> Any way you think we can get them to change their name to something
> >>> like: The pThread()
> 
> No more than we could get Martha's to... :-)
> 
> BTW, I've been to the Grand Buffet (with Maddog), and I certainly
> endorse his recommendation. They're cheap, they have beer, they have
> room, and they have a HUGE variety, and they're fast. So, if you don't
> like Asian food, you can try their American or their Italian or ...
> 
> Bayard
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Re: Bootable image on CD?

[numberwhun]

Wouldn't it be easier to use 'Ghost'?  It wouldn't make 
a bootable cd, but you could make an image of your drive 
and have it re-created if you need to.  

#jlk

> Anyone have any experience with making an image of your disk, dropping it 
> to a CD and making that CD bootable?  My ultimate goal is:
> 
>   Take the current image I have of a linux box
>   Burn it to a CD, making the CD bootable
>   Boot from the CD, wipe all the data back to the disk
>   Boot from the machine as normal.
> 
> Has anyone done this?
> 
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Re: Suse 8.0 Professional problem

[numberwhun]

One major problem I had last night, was that I had to 
suffice with just installing the first disk.  After 
finishing the first disk, the OS rebooted, coming back 
up and preparing to install the rest.  It asked for the 
next CD, but when I click on 'eject', nothing happened.  
I clicked it a dozen times, but nothing.  So, I manually 
ejected the drive and inserted the next disk ( manually 
meaning a paper clip).  The problem that resulted is 
that the OS did not see the disk as replaced and did not 
read the next one.  That stunk.  So, I skipped the rest 
of the disks and set up what was installed already.  At 
least X works.  Now to see what wasn't installed and see 
if I can get it to where I want it.  

Regards,

#jlk

> I have a Sony Vaio PCG-FX140 laptop (700 MHz PIII with speedstep, which 
> I upgraded to 30 GB hard disk and 512 MB of RAM). It is a dual-boot 
> sytem with Windows ME and SuSE Linux Professional 8.0.  I can connect 
> the old 10 GB IDE drive into the one of the PCMCIA slots (via an IDE 
> -to-PCMCIA adaptor). The out-of-the-box configuration instantly 
> recognizes it the moment I plug it into the the PCMCIA slot (it shows up 
> as /dev/hde1 and I mount it as vfat because the computer came with WinME 
> pre-installed, so that drive was vfat-formatted).
> 
> One problem I see with my laptop is that apm does not work, which is to 
> be expected (it actually works half-way; apm -s puts the laptop to 
> sleep, but I cannot wake it up).  Also, under Suse 7.3 professional, 
> after a long period of inactivity my laptop will go into the 
> battery-saving mode (the CPU clock dropped to 550MHz form 700 MHz) and I 
> had no way of bringing it back to full speed other than a reboot. I am 
> not sure if this strange phenomenon occurs under SuSE 8.0 because now I 
> use screen savers, so the CPU always has something to do.
> 
> I am not a *x guru, but I hope this helped.
> 
> CF
> PS. I am not sure whether this message will make it to the board, so I 
> responded to each of you as well.
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Thanks for the feedback!  :)
> >
> >I reinstalled from scratch, choosing to NOT install
> >absolutely everything.  Now that the basic system is
> >installed, all I need to do is configure my devices it
> >wouldn't detect, or had NO driver for.  
> >Unfortunately, it is a laptop and Suse doesn't seem to
> >like it too much.  It doesn't even seem to have PCMCIA
> >drivers.  ***sigh***  Back to the drawing board yet
> >again.
> >
> >#jlk
> >
> >>On Tue, 21 May 2002, at 11:21pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>>I choose yes and go to the bottom of the log and it says
> >>>that the package is not found on the cd.
> >>>
> >>  Well, can you check the obvious, and verify that the file in question is
> >>actually readable?  Perhaps you have a bad CD.
> >>
> >>  If possible, you might also try another CD drive.  I have seen some drives
> >>refuse to read certain CDs properly for some reason.
> >>
> >>  Otherwise, since you did purchase it, you might want to make use of SuSE's
> >>support.
> >>
> >>
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Re: Suse 8.0 Professional problem

[numberwhun]

Thanks for the feedback!  :)

I reinstalled from scratch, choosing to NOT install
absolutely everything.  Now that the basic system is
installed, all I need to do is configure my devices it
wouldn't detect, or had NO driver for.  
Unfortunately, it is a laptop and Suse doesn't seem to
like it too much.  It doesn't even seem to have PCMCIA
drivers.  ***sigh***  Back to the drawing board yet
again.

#jlk

> On Tue, 21 May 2002, at 11:21pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I choose yes and go to the bottom of the log and it says
> > that the package is not found on the cd.
> 
>   Well, can you check the obvious, and verify that the file in question is
> actually readable?  Perhaps you have a bad CD.
> 
>   If possible, you might also try another CD drive.  I have seen some drives
> refuse to read certain CDs properly for some reason.
> 
>   Otherwise, since you did purchase it, you might want to make use of SuSE's
> support.
> 
> 
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Suse 8.0 Professional problem

[numberwhun]

I have just purchased Suse 8.0 Professional edition and
am trying to install the software.  I have gotten to a
point on the first disk where I am getting an error
stating that:

Package "/var/adm/mount/suse/kde/.rpm"
returned an error.  Do you want to see the log?

I choose yes and go to the bottom of the log and it says
that the package is not found on the cd.   It just keeps
doing this.  Does anyone have any input on this?  Has
anyone seen this?  Any help is certainly appreciated.

Regards,

Jeff Kirkland


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Re: Request for Software

[numberwhun]

I love it.  I make a simple request for some software to 
run on my laptop and I start a long legality thread.  
Sheesh!  You would think this was a M$ discussion 
board.  ( No to bring up the competition )

#jlk
> On Tue, 21 May 2002, at 4:32pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Ok, I didn't know about Suse's restrictions.  I kind of figured  
> > Linux --> GPL --> Freely distributed.
> 
>   Linux is GPL, but Linux is just the kernel.  Your average distribution
> includes quite a mix of GPL, LGPL, BSDL, Artistic, MPL, public domain, and
> other licenses.  YaST, in particular, is not Free Software or Open Source.  
> (Or so I am told -- again, I'm still trying to figure out the exact status.)
> 
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Re: Request for Software

[numberwhun]

Ok, I didn't know about Suse's restrictions.  I kind of 
figured  Linux --> GPL --> Freely distributed. 

Looks like I will go and get it at the store.  Thanks 
for the reply's.  Don't worry about copying it.

Regards,

Jeff Kirkland

> Even if YAST is GPL, the copier of the CDROMS has to be careful in that
> SuSE distributes commercial software that does not fall underneath Open Source
> guidelines.  SAP comes to mind as an example.
> 
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Request for Software

[numberwhun]

I was wondering if anyone who has Suse 8 (Professional 
would be great) would be nice enough to burn me a copy?  
I will trade with them at the meeting for blank cd's.  

Thanks!

Jeff Kirkland


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Re: Hoss Traders

[numberwhun]

Paul,

I am not able to go to the Hosstraders, but if you guys 
need some CD's burned of OpenOffice 1.0, I could 
download it tonight and burn some cd's if you need it.  
I have everything set up at my house already to burn.  
How many copies would you need?  Email me and let me 
know if you will need them.  

Jeff Kirkland
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> In a message dated: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:31:22 EDT
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> >Any possibility of obtaining OpenOffice 1.0 and burning a few CDs by 
> >HossTraders?
> 
> I will attempt to get it.  I can't promise anything, since even 
> trying to get the pre-release builds has been agonizingly slow.
> 
> If someone can get it and put it somewhere I can get to it over a 
> relatively fast/unsaturated link, I'll burn it to as many CDs as I 
> can between now an Friday.  Of course, if the system Ben is bringing 
> has a CD burner, we can burn there as well.
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> Seeya,
> Paul
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