Re: Distro strengths and weaknesses (was Re: Distro stats)

2001-07-26 Thread Bob Kenney

Benjamin Scott wrote:
 
 ...
 
  ... our OpenVMS cluster ...
 
   VMS?  Eww.  ;-)

Don't -even- go there, Ben.  Don't get me wrong - Unix was and is my
first love in OS's.  Still, after 10 years on VMS, I've come to appreciate
it too.  Queueing, both batch and printing, is verra verra nice.  I hate to
say this, but it tailors to admin functions far better than unices.

We're being forced away from using OpenVMS cuz the idiot in charge didn't
like the idea of us using a proprietary OS.  FYI he wasn't talking about
going to linux or openbsd.  Stop laughing!





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Re: Distro strengths and weaknesses (was Re: Distro stats)

2001-07-25 Thread Ed Robitaille

Bob Kenney wrote
 Wayne wrote:
  
  Are you having any problem with LPRng. Whenever I try printing
  a doc or a web page my printer hangs after it print the first page
  of the document. I've been trying to print the doc for LPRng
  for three days now and as of yet I'm still trying. My printer is a
  HP LaserJet 1100. I've never had a problem setting this printer
  before. Then again, I think this is the first time Redhat used LPRng.
  Later.
  Wayne
 
I run LPRng on my home pc; if that's what you're doing, there are 2
things that will make life a little easier.
1. READ the the installation instructions. Run 'checkpc -f'
This will clean up some configuration files. this was the
only way I could get mine to work.
2. I use 'aps-filter'. The setup script configured the printcap files
so that different types of files could be printed ( .txt, ps and raw files).
I run a later version of ghostscript (gs which does have have a reasonbly good
driver for my HP 882c printer.)

ED+


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Re: Distro strengths and weaknesses (was Re: Distro stats)

2001-07-24 Thread Rich C



 Benjamin Scott said:

  On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Jeffry Smith wrote:
   now I am not so sure, afetr the 7.0 fiasco...
  
   Which was on par with their 6.0 fiasco ...
 
I dunno, I've gone through both upgrades, and I think Red Hat has
reached
  a new low with this whole 7.x business.  Between the development
snapshot of
  GCC, and not including kernel 2.2 in 7.1, I am *very* discouraged.  And
I
  used to be a big Red Hat fan.
 
Holding steady at 6.2.

Question: Why do you want to keep kernel 2.2? (Just curious, since you are
into security, if there are issues with the 2.4 kernel.)

Rich Cloutier
SYSTEM SUPPORT SERVICES
www.sysupport.com


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Re: Distro strengths and weaknesses (was Re: Distro stats)

2001-07-24 Thread Wayne

Benjamin Scott wrote:

 On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Derek D. Martin wrote:
  While I largely agree with this, I will point out that RH 7.1 is GREAT
  for most of the laptops I've come in contact with.

Are you having any problem with LPRng. Whenever I try printing
a doc or a web page my printer hangs after it print the first page
of the document. I've been trying to print the doc for LPRng
for three days now and as of yet I'm still trying. My printer is a
HP LaserJet 1100. I've never had a problem setting this printer
before. Then again, I think this is the first time Redhat used LPRng.
Later.
Wayne


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Re: Distro strengths and weaknesses (was Re: Distro stats)

2001-07-24 Thread Benjamin Scott

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Wayne wrote:
 Are you having any problem with LPRng.

  My experience with LPRng is limited.  The RHL 7.1 users in our office are
using it, obviously.  Their printers were setup using the GUI admin
interface included by RHS, and configured to print directly to HP JetDirect
embedded print server units.  Apparently, LPRng does not read /etc/printcap,
but instead generates it.

  I saw some possible weirdness in 7.0 with network printing, but was unable
to verify.

 My printer is a HP LaserJet 1100.

  What happens if you cat a multi-page text file directly to the raw port?
For example,

cat my-big-file.txt  /dev/lp0

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Re: Distro strengths and weaknesses (was Re: Distro stats)

2001-07-24 Thread Bob Kenney

Wayne wrote:
 
 Are you having any problem with LPRng. Whenever I try printing
 a doc or a web page my printer hangs after it print the first page
 of the document. I've been trying to print the doc for LPRng
 for three days now and as of yet I'm still trying. My printer is a
 HP LaserJet 1100. I've never had a problem setting this printer
 before. Then again, I think this is the first time Redhat used LPRng.
 Later.
 Wayne


What kind of document is it?  If you'd post the entry in printcap
for the printer you're using, that might help as well.  I believe there
are two or three queues typically accessible via LPD on most HP printers,
one for ansi, another for PostScript.  I forget their names...  More info
will be necessary.


  One thing I will tell you - I just tried setting up
a queue for an 1100 for the first time on our OpenVMS cluster using the
DCPS printer driver.  DCPS usually has no problems communicating with any
kind of HP printer, but I just -could not- make it work with the 1100. Not
sure if it was the silly little tcp/ip dongle-usb connector hanging off
of the printer or what.  We spent a week thrashing on it and then told the
user to get another printer - perhaps a 4000 series.  That was the first
time I've ever had to do that with an HP printer. (Well, a PostScript-capable
HP printer, anyhow). It usually takes me a day at most to make DCPS work
with a new HP model we've never printed to before.  Usually more like a
half-hour.

Not sure if that has anything to do with your problems, but we were
getting similar wierdo problems with some jobs going thru fine, some jobs
hanging after a couple ten or hundred Kb.  -Perhaps- the same thing you're
seeing(?), although we comm to the printers via raw socket- port 9100,
rather than LPD like you're doing.



 
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Re: Distro strengths and weaknesses (was Re: Distro stats)

2001-07-24 Thread Benjamin Scott

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Derek D. Martin wrote:
 While I largely agree with this, I will point out that RH 7.1 is GREAT
 for most of the laptops I've come in contact with.

  For that matter, is is probably fine for most desktop systems, too.  At
worst, it is still better than Windows, and free, too.  We've got several
desktop systems in the office running RHL 7.1, with minimal problems.  I
just wouldn't want to trust a server to it.  You don't want your server
crashing every couple of months because of swap starvation or some stupid
thing.

  (We've also had weird problems with RHL 7.x not being able to bring down a
PPP modem link programatically, which happens to affect several of our
smaller customers.)

 Just make sure you stay on top of the updates...

  That applies universally.  :-)

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