Re: About PO generation for GIMP repository

[Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n]

Hi!

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 6:23 PM Piotr Drąg  wrote:

> pon., 19 wrz 2022 o 11:42 Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n
>  napisał(a):
> >> So my question is: what does Damned Lies use for generating the `.po`
> files now? Does it use the meson build? Because I do hope the Damned Lies
> platform won't reintroduce the "".
> >
> >
> > Unless it got lost somewhere, I haven't had a response to this. Just to
> make sure our release process won't be interrupted again next time when we
> suddenly realize that our installer texts are all broken. :-)
> >
>
> Hi Jehan,
>
> Damned Lies uses xgettext for GIMP’s main branch. And the .pot/.po
> files seem to have the correct ampersands:
> https://l10n.gnome.org/POT/gimp.master/gimp-windows-installer.master.pot
>
> Ok. Good then.
Thanks Piotr!

Jehan


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Re: About PO generation for GIMP repository

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Hello translators!

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:23 PM Jehan Pagès 
wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> We recently had our main dev branch (`master`) ported from intltool to
> gettext. Of course, we had various bugs which we fixed, but we realized one
> of them after we tagged GIMP 2.99.12 release.
>
>
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/commit/7375116d46faede26eea38ac2b7ee29513f415e6
>
> TLDR; in the po-windows-installer/ folder, we had a bunch of
> "Continue" (and other texts) in the source XML which should have been
> "" in the po files (otherwise they are re-exported back as
> "amp;Continue".
>
> I fixed this issue, but since we also wanted a nice installer for GIMP
> 2.99.12, I also did a quick pass through the .po files in order to fix this
> issue:
>
>
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/commit/941a53dfbcf8a9d496eb5792539d7dd70d661d9c
>
> That was basic fixing: gettext calls and some regular expressions. No
> semantic update on my side. I hope you all won't mind. 
>
> I also did some manual change review to make sure I didn't break anything.
> I think I didn't. Feel free to double-check and really sorry if I did!
>
> Now I haven't fixed the autotools script which seems to still grab ""
> as-is from the XML and I didn't pursue the issue for too long.
>
> So my question is: what does Damned Lies use for generating the `.po`
> files now? Does it use the meson build? Because I do hope the Damned Lies
> platform won't reintroduce the "".
>

Unless it got lost somewhere, I haven't had a response to this. Just to
make sure our release process won't be interrupted again next time when we
suddenly realize that our installer texts are all broken. :-)

Jehan


> For the record, we are starting to shift and since this release (GIMP
> 2.99.12), we are going to encourage packagers to build with meson.
> If all goes well, we might be able to drop autotools for GIMP 3.0 and not
> have to do all build rules twice.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jehan
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About PO generation for GIMP repository

[Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n]

Hi all!

We recently had our main dev branch (`master`) ported from intltool to
gettext. Of course, we had various bugs which we fixed, but we realized one
of them after we tagged GIMP 2.99.12 release.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/commit/7375116d46faede26eea38ac2b7ee29513f415e6

TLDR; in the po-windows-installer/ folder, we had a bunch of
"Continue" (and other texts) in the source XML which should have been
"" in the po files (otherwise they are re-exported back as
"amp;Continue".

I fixed this issue, but since we also wanted a nice installer for GIMP
2.99.12, I also did a quick pass through the .po files in order to fix this
issue:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/commit/941a53dfbcf8a9d496eb5792539d7dd70d661d9c

That was basic fixing: gettext calls and some regular expressions. No
semantic update on my side. I hope you all won't mind. 

I also did some manual change review to make sure I didn't break anything.
I think I didn't. Feel free to double-check and really sorry if I did!

Now I haven't fixed the autotools script which seems to still grab ""
as-is from the XML and I didn't pursue the issue for too long.

So my question is: what does Damned Lies use for generating the `.po` files
now? Does it use the meson build? Because I do hope the Damned Lies
platform won't reintroduce the "".

For the record, we are starting to shift and since this release (GIMP
2.99.12), we are going to encourage packagers to build with meson.
If all goes well, we might be able to drop autotools for GIMP 3.0 and not
have to do all build rules twice.

Thanks!

Jehan
GIMP team

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Releasing GIMP 2.99.12 on Sunday

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Hello translators!

If all goes well, we will be releasing GIMP 2.99.12 on Sunday (2022-08-21).
It's a development release (so no pressure), i.e. from the `master` branch.

Thanks everyone for the awesome work!

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Releasing GIMP 2.10.32 on Sunday

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Hello translators!

We are releasing GEGL 0.4.36 and GIMP 2.10.32 on Sunday. Sorry for the late
notice. 

This is for the stable branch, hence the `gimp-2-10` branch.

As usual, thanks a lot everyone!

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Re: New po files in gimp-help repository (and release soonish)

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Hi,

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 5:45 PM Jehan Pagès 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 3:12 PM Piotr Drąg  wrote:
>
>> niedz., 27 mar 2022 o 14:55 Jehan Pagès 
>> napisał(a):
>> > Awesome. By the way, I was saying in my email that it was in `
>> gimp-help-2-10` only. But since then I backported the change to `master`
>> branch too. Did you add from both? :-)
>> >
>>
>> Yes, I did. :)
>>
>> > I just tested. We extract the string with `intltool-extract` with type
>> `gettext/ini`. Unfortunately the file is not actually an ini file (just
>> similar), in particular comments start with `;` whereas intltool looks for
>> comments starting with `#`.
>> >
>> > We can still do something by adding a processing step where I'd just
>> remove `#` line from the InnoSetup lang file before feeding it to InnoSetup
>> (and using the un-processed file for intltool tricking it into seeing an
>> ini file). I'll have a look.
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for looking into this. If you manage to make it work, it would
>> be nice to adapt it to the regular GIMP installer too.
>>
>
> I implemented this and it's now in gimp-help (both gimp-help-2-10 and
> master branches). When you'll update the po files, they should now have the
> comments on the 2 strings with % numbers.
>
> I'll do the same on the GIMP repository soon too.
>

I forgot to notify yesterday, but `po-windows-installer` po files on GIMP
`master` repository will now also contain comments when regenerated.
Have a good day, all!

Jehan


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Re: New po files in gimp-help repository (and release soonish)

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 3:12 PM Piotr Drąg  wrote:

> niedz., 27 mar 2022 o 14:55 Jehan Pagès 
> napisał(a):
> > Awesome. By the way, I was saying in my email that it was in `
> gimp-help-2-10` only. But since then I backported the change to `master`
> branch too. Did you add from both? :-)
> >
>
> Yes, I did. :)
>
> > I just tested. We extract the string with `intltool-extract` with type
> `gettext/ini`. Unfortunately the file is not actually an ini file (just
> similar), in particular comments start with `;` whereas intltool looks for
> comments starting with `#`.
> >
> > We can still do something by adding a processing step where I'd just
> remove `#` line from the InnoSetup lang file before feeding it to InnoSetup
> (and using the un-processed file for intltool tricking it into seeing an
> ini file). I'll have a look.
> >
>
> Thanks for looking into this. If you manage to make it work, it would
> be nice to adapt it to the regular GIMP installer too.
>

I implemented this and it's now in gimp-help (both gimp-help-2-10 and
master branches). When you'll update the po files, they should now have the
comments on the 2 strings with % numbers.

I'll do the same on the GIMP repository soon too.

Jehan


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Re: New po files in gimp-help repository (and release soonish)

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Hi!

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 2:00 PM Piotr Drąg  wrote:

> niedz., 20 mar 2022 o 22:11 Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n
>  napisał(a):
> >
> > Hi translators!
> >
> > We added our scripts to create a Windows installer for the manual of
> GIMP (project "gimp-help") directly in the repository. We also now have
> scripts to extract the installer strings into po files before merging them
> back. Therefore the strings for the installer are now localizable from the
> `po-windows-installer/` directory (for now only in the `gimp-help-2-10`
> branch, we'll port to `master` branch later):
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help/-/tree/gimp-help-2-10/po-windows-installer
> >
> > So first a question: what is the process to add these po files to the
> Damned Lies system so that it's translatable by GNOME translation teams?
> >
>
> Hi Jehan,
>
> Letting us know here or at
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/damned-lies/-/issues is
> enough. I added the new files to Damned Lies, and now translators can
> get on it. :)
>

Awesome. By the way, I was saying in my email that it was in `
gimp-help-2-10` only. But since then I backported the change to `master`
branch too. Did you add from both? :-)


> I have a question though, what is hiding under the variables (%1 and
> %2)? Adding translator comments explaining those would make it easier
> to translate,


Sure.

* In " No suitable GIMP installations were found. %1 can only be installed
when GIMP %2 is already present.", %1 is replaced by the other localizable
string "GIMP Help", and %2 is the minimum version (which will be
major.minor, i.e. "2.10" for instance).

* In "Select all installs for which you want to install %1", %1 is replaced
by the localized version of "GIMP Help".

if it’s technically possible.
>

I just tested. We extract the string with `intltool-extract` with type
`gettext/ini`. Unfortunately the file is not actually an ini file (just
similar), in particular comments start with `;` whereas intltool looks for
comments starting with `#`.

We can still do something by adding a processing step where I'd just remove
`#` line from the InnoSetup lang file before feeding it to InnoSetup (and
using the un-processed file for intltool tricking it into seeing an ini
file). I'll have a look.

Thanks!

Jehan


>
> Best regards,
>
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New po files in gimp-help repository (and release soonish)

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Hi translators!

We added our scripts to create a Windows installer for the manual of GIMP
(project "gimp-help") directly in the repository. We also now have scripts
to extract the installer strings into po files before merging them back.
Therefore the strings for the installer are now localizable from the
`po-windows-installer/` directory (for now only in the `gimp-help-2-10`
branch, we'll port to `master` branch later):
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help/-/tree/gimp-help-2-10/po-windows-installer

So first a question: what is the process to add these po files to the
Damned Lies system so that it's translatable by GNOME translation teams?

Second, a small pre-announcement that we are planning to make a release of
the manual (`gimp-help-2-10` branch) soonish. It had been more or less
dormant these years but activity really restarted lately (thanks to Jacob,
new co-maintainer of gimp-help) and we want to make at least one more
release of the 2.10 manual; it might not be a perfect release, but better
than never. By the way, we also have a new testing website where changes on
the `gimp-2-10` branch are reflected: http://testing.docs.gimp.org/ (if not
mistaken, it is a daily re-build at midnight UTC)

Once we will have made this release, we will likely move on to work in
priority on the GIMP 3.0 documentation.

In any case, we will make a proper announcement a few weeks before, with a
string freeze of the docs, but I guess it's a good idea to tell you about
it a bit earlier.
Thanks all!

Jehan

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Releasing GIMP 2.99.10 this weekend

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Hello translator teams!

I hope you are all doing fine.

We are releasing new versions of babl, GEGL and GIMP 2.99.10 (`master`
branch) this weekend hopefully, most likely Sunday.

Thanks for all the work! :-)

Jehan
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Releasing GIMP 2.10.30 (Sunday maybe or in the coming week) and maybe 2.99.10 too

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Hi translators!

We are releasing GEGL 0.4.34 and GIMP 2.10.30 a bit unexpectedly in the
coming days (possibly on Sunday at the fastest). This is for security
reasons.

This is for the stable branch, hence the `gimp-2-10` branch.

We might also release a dev version (GIMP 2.99.10, so the `master` branch)
before the end of the year. Actually we were initially planning to do it
for Christmas (and not release a stable version at all this month). But
with the sudden release of 2.10.30, it is now unsure if we will follow
through with the 2.99.10 release plan so soon after. In any case, it's not
as much a priority (yet we welcome updates there too if you have any time).
We'll see.

Thanks to everyone, and have a very nice end of year, happy holidays and
all that! 

Jehan
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Releasing GIMP 2.99.8 soon

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Hello translation teams!

We are releasing GIMP 2.99.8 in a few days. I would say it will happen
between Wednesday 13 and Sunday 17, though it depends on volunteer time for
the last fixups.

This is a development release, i.e. any text change is in the `master`
branch.

Thanks everyone for the hard work, as always! 

Jehan
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Re: Preparing release of GIMP 2.10.26 (stable branch)

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Hi all!

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 2:47 AM Jehan Pagès 
wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 7:02 PM Jehan Pagès 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi translation teams!
>>
>> We are planning the release of GIMP 2.10.26 for next Sunday (September
>> 6), if all goes well.
>> Thanks for the awesome work, as usual!
>>
>
> For the record, we found a small yet annoying build bug in a recent
> change, so we are going to directly ship GIMP 2.10.28 (2.10.26 was released
> as source yesterday, but we haven't announced it yet, hence will skip it
> and will only announce 2.10.28).
>
> Strings are unchanged, except that I added an appdata metadata in the
> desktop file for the 2.10.28 release (so one more string). The source
> release will likely happen on the evening (CET) of Tuesday 7.
>

I had a small message of people expecting 2.10.28 to be already out.

It is still expected for us to release a 2.10.28 because of the small
mess-up for 2.10.26. Unfortunately timing is bad because I am out of home
for a few days. I was hoping to release a few days ago, and still hoping to
do it today or tomorrow, but I'd be doing it in the train or from friend's
places and don't want to double mess-up. This is why it's hard to keep the
schedule. Bad timing for it to happen this week.

Anyway 2.10.28 is coming, this is for sure!

Jehan



>
> Thanks and sorry for the mishap!
>
> Jehan
>
>
>> Jehan
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Re: Preparing release of GIMP 2.10.26 (stable branch)

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Hi all!

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 7:02 PM Jehan Pagès 
wrote:

> Hi translation teams!
>
> We are planning the release of GIMP 2.10.26 for next Sunday (September 6),
> if all goes well.
> Thanks for the awesome work, as usual!
>

For the record, we found a small yet annoying build bug in a recent change,
so we are going to directly ship GIMP 2.10.28 (2.10.26 was released as
source yesterday, but we haven't announced it yet, hence will skip it and
will only announce 2.10.28).

Strings are unchanged, except that I added an appdata metadata in the
desktop file for the 2.10.28 release (so one more string). The source
release will likely happen on the evening (CET) of Tuesday 7.

Thanks and sorry for the mishap!

Jehan


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Preparing release of GIMP 2.10.26 (stable branch)

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Hi translation teams!

We are planning the release of GIMP 2.10.26 for next Sunday (September 6),
if all goes well.
Thanks for the awesome work, as usual!

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Re: How to localize for ZH_TW?

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Hi!

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:20 AM Alexandre Franke  wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 10:48 AM Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n <
> gnome-i18n@gnome.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> Today we got a new contribution for ZH_TW at GIMP's:
>> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/457
>>
>> Normally I would redirect people to the GNOME team's coordinator, but I
>> realize ZH_TW has none: https://l10n.gnome.org/teams/zh_tw/
>>
>> Is the ZH_TW locale maintained by one of the coordinators of another
>> Chinese team? Or is there just a lack of people, and in this case, maybe
>> another Chinese coordinator could be temporary coordinator for a while
>> (then we'll see how things evolve)?
>>
>
> Going through the list at https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/ you’ll notice
> that this languages directs you to the traditional Chinese team at
> https://l10n.gnome.org/teams/zh_trad/ and this page indeed lists zh_TW as
> one of the languages they manage.
>
>
Thanks Alexandre! I'll tell them to contact the zh_trad coordinator then! 

Jehan

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How to localize for ZH_TW?

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Hello,

Today we got a new contribution for ZH_TW at GIMP's:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/457

Normally I would redirect people to the GNOME team's coordinator, but I
realize ZH_TW has none: https://l10n.gnome.org/teams/zh_tw/

Is the ZH_TW locale maintained by one of the coordinators of another
Chinese team? Or is there just a lack of people, and in this case, maybe
another Chinese coordinator could be temporary coordinator for a while
(then we'll see how things evolve)?

Thanks all!

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Re: Soon branching gimp-help module into origin/gimp-help-2-10

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Hi!

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 8:38 AM Claude Paroz  wrote:

> Le 22.05.21 à 18:56, Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n a écrit :
> > Hello translators!
> >
> > Just a heads-up. Unless something comes up (we also sent an email to
> > documenters and devs about the topic to make sure it's alright), we plan
> > to branch the gimp-help module into `origin/gimp-help-2-10` within 2
> > weeks (so likely around the June 5/6 weekend):
> > https://l10n.gnome.org/module/gimp-help/
> > <https://l10n.gnome.org/module/gimp-help/>
> >
> > Documentation and translation for GIMP 2.10 will continue inside this
> > new branch. The `master` branch will move on to be about future GIMP 3.0
> > from this point onward.
> >
> > As I am guessing it will require some action on Damned Lies website to
> > handle both the gimp-help-2-10 and master branches, this email is a
> > notification.
>
> Hi Jehan,
>
> We appreciate the notice, thanks a lot!
> Could you please send us a new notice when the branching is done?
>

Sure, I'll do this!
Thanks.

Jehan


> Regards,
>
> Claude
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Soon branching gimp-help module into origin/gimp-help-2-10

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Hello translators!

Just a heads-up. Unless something comes up (we also sent an email to
documenters and devs about the topic to make sure it's alright), we plan to
branch the gimp-help module into `origin/gimp-help-2-10` within 2 weeks (so
likely around the June 5/6 weekend):
https://l10n.gnome.org/module/gimp-help/

Documentation and translation for GIMP 2.10 will continue inside this new
branch. The `master` branch will move on to be about future GIMP 3.0 from
this point onward.

As I am guessing it will require some action on Damned Lies website to
handle both the gimp-help-2-10 and master branches, this email is a
notification.

Please do not hesitate to tell me if our process to handle this is wrong or
anything. 
Thanks!

Jehan
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Release of GIMP 2.99.6 (dev version) incoming

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Hi translation teams!

We are planning a development release of GIMP (i.e. branch `master`). Our
current plan is **Sunday 25th of April**. As usual, the date is not set in
stone, so it might happen a bit later too. At least that's the plan for now.

Thanks all!

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Release of GIMP 2.10.24 incoming

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Hi translation teams!

We want to release a stable version of GIMP (branch gimp-2-10) very soon,
i.e. GIMP 2.10.24, hopefully this weekend (though it may be a bit later
according to everyone's schedules).

Thanks for all the awesome work everyone! 

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Re: please help me for uploading user manual for GIMP in Marathi language

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Hello,

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Snehalata Shirude <
snehalata.shir...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am from North Maharashtra University, Jalgaon, India.
> I am working on localization of GIMP software and its user manual.
> The work regarding GIMP software is completed and Marathi has been added
> in last year.
> Now I wish to commit or push all translated user manual files for gimp.
> I referred to https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/da/apcs02s05.html
> And done steps
>
> make validate-mr
> git status
>
> Status is saying po/mr is ready.
> but when i try to push using git push it is giving error.
>
> remote: HTTP Basic: Access denied
> fatal: Authentication failed for '
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help.git/'
>

Most likely you were not given push permission on this repository, which is
normal if this is your first contribution there.
Instead you must create a merge request at:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help/-/merge_requests

To do this, first "fork" the repository into your personal user space (it's
not a real fork, they use the same word to just mean you make a personal
public clone of the main repository), push to your public remote, then you
can do the merge request from this remote.

If some of the steps I (very briefly) described here are blurry, I'm sure
there are a few tutorials about contributing on Gitlab on the web.
Otherwise do not hesitate to come on IRC too (#gimp on irc.gimp.org).

In any case, tell us if there are any more problems and we will help.

Jehan


> I am using my gnome account.
>
> Please help me how i can push and upload marathi files for GIMP user
> manual.
>
> Thanks
> Snehalata B. Shirude
>


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Re: Translation updates through gitlab?

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Hi Daniel!

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Daniel Mustieles García <
daniel.mustie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jehan,
>
> There are several teams that don't use Damned Lies' workflow, relying it
> on malining list, for example, so using MRs is an option.
>
> But you cannot forget about DL at all because PO file in your repository
> are not valid for translation. I mean, those PO files are static, they are
> not automatically updated with new strings added to source code. That's
> part of the magic of Damned Lies :-)
>
> The PO file you download from DL is not a direct link to PO file in git:
> i'ts generated using some tools that read POTFILES and other files and
> extract translatable strings to generate an up-to-date PO file. Of course
> you can do that process manually, but maybe it makes no sense to duplicate
> efforts.
>

Indeed didn't really think about this. That makes sense that people would
prefer to stick with Damned Lies.

Another question is: who will review those translations? You should
> encourage every translation team to use that new workflow, and opening that
> door can be "dangerous": most of the coordinators won't accept modifying
> their workflow, because it simply works. Having two ways to receive/review
> translations (gitlab's MR and DL) can be a pain for those who have to
> review and approve them. And you should speak several languages to be able
> to review all of them ;-)
>
> Also note that every team has it's own rules: usually there is a team
> coordinator that approves commiting translations into git. "Plain"
> translators usually not have that power, so accepting translations directly
> from translators might cause problems in the translation team.
>
> Just my 2 cents, maybe other people have a different idea, and it's of
> course acceptable.
>

No I think you are right. I just stuck my nose where it should not have
been.
Actually even when I was writing my initial email, I was thinking it was a
bit stupid because if the translator was not responding to messages, even
if we did review by gitlab, review would have failed just as well (even
more in Gitlab which really sucks for quick review/fixes as you cannot
easily amend patches yourseles; often we regret good old patches reviewed
directly in the terminal so we actually regularly bypass the system).

Anyway that was just a little brainstorm wish because I was a bit sad to
waste translations this way. But actually I'm not sure there is any real
way out of the waste here as it all boils down to a contributor dropping
patches without proper follow up.

Jehan


> Regards.
>
> El mié., 1 abr. 2020 a las 21:13, Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n (<
> gnome-i18n@gnome.org>) escribió:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> Lately we have had some people uploading GIMP translations in the form of
>> merge requests on gitlab.
>>
>> Notably we had someone who uploaded big po files updates for Korean, a
>> year ago:
>> For GIMP 2.10: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/51
>> For master: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/54
>>
>> He did update a lot of translatable text. Unfortunately he was not
>> responsive on gitlab when we (as well as the Korean team coordinator) asked
>> him to send his po file through the team channel, even after we tried to
>> discuss with him in English or Korean. No idea why. He was capable enough
>> to translate hundreds of sentence from English to Korean, use git and make
>> gitlab MR, but he would not answer. In the end, we just had to close the MR
>> without taking the changes in, which was a bit heartbreaking (never nice to
>> waste contributor's hard work, especially as Korean is not updated that
>> often unfortunately!).
>>
>> Recently, after a year, the same person reopened a new MR, and again
>> without answering or following procedure:
>> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/213
>>
>> Also recently someone also opened a MR for zh_TW and he doesn't answer
>> much either (though there was only one comment, so I made a new one and
>> will wait a bit before closing). Don't know what's up with translators
>> making MRs and not following up!
>> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/206
>>
>> Anyway bottom line: I am wondering if there were a way to improve the
>> procedures for translation reviews made through MR? I mean, these
>> translators definitely could improve their contribution skills by actually
>> reading/answering comments and following up, but the base idea is still
>> right. The po files are on our repository so I understand why an outsider
>> might think making a MR makes sense. Of course if i

Translation updates through gitlab?

[Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n]

Hello everyone!

Lately we have had some people uploading GIMP translations in the form of
merge requests on gitlab.

Notably we had someone who uploaded big po files updates for Korean, a year
ago:
For GIMP 2.10: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/51
For master: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/54

He did update a lot of translatable text. Unfortunately he was not
responsive on gitlab when we (as well as the Korean team coordinator) asked
him to send his po file through the team channel, even after we tried to
discuss with him in English or Korean. No idea why. He was capable enough
to translate hundreds of sentence from English to Korean, use git and make
gitlab MR, but he would not answer. In the end, we just had to close the MR
without taking the changes in, which was a bit heartbreaking (never nice to
waste contributor's hard work, especially as Korean is not updated that
often unfortunately!).

Recently, after a year, the same person reopened a new MR, and again
without answering or following procedure:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/213

Also recently someone also opened a MR for zh_TW and he doesn't answer much
either (though there was only one comment, so I made a new one and will
wait a bit before closing). Don't know what's up with translators making
MRs and not following up!
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/206

Anyway bottom line: I am wondering if there were a way to improve the
procedures for translation reviews made through MR? I mean, these
translators definitely could improve their contribution skills by actually
reading/answering comments and following up, but the base idea is still
right. The po files are on our repository so I understand why an outsider
might think making a MR makes sense. Of course if it ended up that the
translation was not right, if the translation needed changes before
merging, with a non-responsive person, the end result might be the same.
That's a problem anyway. But maybe it could have just worked out without
changes?
So yeah, I'd be happy to work more closely with translators team willing to
review translations in gitlab.

Am I missing something?
Thanks everyone!

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Release of GIMP 2.10.10 planned "soon"

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Hi translation teams!

GIMP 2.10.10 should be released very soon, though we don't have any clear
schedule. It may be in a few days, next week or a bit after, but not much
longer hopefully. We should get a bit more organized, but well here it is.
:-)

So if you feel like updating translations for your language, now may be the
time.
As usual, the work is meant to happen on branch `gimp-2-10` in priority.

Thank you for all the hard work!

Jehan
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Re: Korean translation of GIMP

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Hi all!

I realized that we can also get the email of Sensu lun (@cieltero) through
the commit (adding a '.patch' at the end of the URI; special hidden
trick!). So I am adding the contributor in the loop of the current email
thread. Just in case he may not be receiving notifications from gitlab (or
whatever else reason).

Sensu lun > I hope we can get your translations in GIMP. We'd appreciate if
you could cooperate with Changwoo Ryu, who is the Korean team coordinator.

Thanks all!

Jehan


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:11 PM Changwoo Ryu  wrote:

> Hello. Sorry for the late reply.
>
> I think you can just close the merge request.
>
> I am going to guide him through translation using DL. But if he
> insists on using git push himself I won't submit that translation.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 2019년 2월 18일 (월) 오후 11:43, Daniel Mustieles García
> 님이 작성:
> >
> > +Changwoo Ryu (Korean team coordinator)
> >
> > Team coordinator should decide what to do in this case. I've not been
> able to find commiter's email so I've not added it to the Cc of this email.
> >
> > I don't remember any question about Korean translations for GIMP, but
> don't trust blindly mi memory ;-)
> >
> > El lun., 18 feb. 2019 a las 15:19, Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n (<
> gnome-i18n@gnome.org>) escribió:
> >>
> >> Hi Korean team (and everyone else)!
> >>
> >> Someone did what looks like a huge job of translating GIMP in Korean,
> which was indeed a bit falling behind these years, and proposed it as merge
> requests:
> >>
> >> For gimp-2-10: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/merge_requests/51
> >> For master: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/merge_requests/54
> >>
> >> We told this person on gitlab to not do merge requests, but instead get
> in touch with the GNOME Korean team, giving links, etc. We never had any
> answer (so I wonder if this person receives the notification or read the
> opened request thread at all; we even tried a message in Korean!).
> >>
> >> Still, has this person contacted anyone in the GNOME i18n community,
> and in particular the Korean team?
> >>
> >> If this goes on without contact, we are not sure what we should do in
> such case. On one hand, we want Korean localization (currently around 50%
> if I read the stats correctly), but we are not going to just merge these
> commits like this obviously.
> >> Do you have any advice to go forward?
> >> Because right now these 2 merge requests are just sitting there, and we
> have no idea what to do with them (we only leave them opened so that it
> stays on sight).
> >>
> >> Thanks all!
> >>
> >> Jehan
> >>
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Korean translation of GIMP

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Hi Korean team (and everyone else)!

Someone did what looks like a huge job of translating GIMP in Korean, which
was indeed a bit falling behind these years, and proposed it as merge
requests:

For gimp-2-10: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/merge_requests/51
For master: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/merge_requests/54

We told this person on gitlab to not do merge requests, but instead get in
touch with the GNOME Korean team, giving links, etc. We never had any
answer (so I wonder if this person receives the notification or read the
opened request thread at all; we even tried a message in Korean!).

Still, has this person contacted anyone in the GNOME i18n community, and in
particular the Korean team?

If this goes on without contact, we are not sure what we should do in such
case. On one hand, we want Korean localization (currently around 50% if I
read the stats correctly), but we are not going to just merge these commits
like this obviously.
Do you have any advice to go forward?
Because right now these 2 merge requests are just sitting there, and we
have no idea what to do with them (we only leave them opened so that it
stays on sight).

Thanks all!

Jehan

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Re: Wrong context in 2 strings

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Ok thanks everyone for the quick answers.

Seeing the unanimous (well up to now) answer, I just committed and pushed
the quick fix.
Commits 7a5e5be35e9b20e494767726fc58216c74125a08 on master and
66803bc2b3705830cf2f262fdd42e994aa990008 on gimp-2-10 branch.

As for future events, I guess I'll use my best judgement, and (if such
things ever happen again) if really I see that's the same thing (no actual
context/usage change, just an error in the msgctxt), I guess I would just
push.
But I'll ask again the question if I have any doubt or if the issue is
slightly different. :-)

Thanks again.

Jehan


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:32 PM Kolbjørn Stuestøl 
wrote:

> Thank you for doing this this time and in the future for Norwegian nynorsk
> (language code nn).
> Kolbjørn
>
> Den 07.02.2019 17:17, skreiv Daniel Mustieles García via gnome-i18n:
>
> It is because of changing message context will cause DL to mark that
> string as fuzzy. This is why he is asking to apply the change directly into
> the PO files. These PO should be modified by developers, but in this case
> it is harmless because translated strings are not affected ;-)
>
> Cheers!
>
> El jue., 7 feb. 2019 a las 16:44, Snehalata Shirude via gnome-i18n (<
> gnome-i18n@gnome.org>) escribió:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If the meaning does not change, i think it can be directly changed using
>> find and replace. So it should not be directly related to the translation
>> process as such.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Snehalata Shirude
>> Translator, for Marathi,
>> India
>>
>> On Thu 7 Feb, 2019, 8:42 PM Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n, <
>> gnome-i18n@gnome.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> In GIMP, we had a small bug in 2 strings: "Grow lighter areas of the
>>> image" and "Grow darker areas of the image".
>>>
>>> Basically in our code, we declared the strings with "drawable-action"
>>> context (hence that was the msgctx registered in po files) but called the
>>> translation with "filters-action" context so they were not translated.
>>> I fixed the code to use "filters-action" everywhere (the other was
>>> wrong), but the wrong context is now in various po/*.po files (43 files).
>>>
>>> Do you mind if I just do a massive search-and-replace for these 2
>>> context/strings to fix them? I mean, I actually already did it locally
>>> (took 20 secs), and I think that it is simpler than having everyone just
>>> edit manually for what was basically just a code bug. The actual context is
>>> the same (these strings are filter descriptions, same place in the GUI as
>>> what they were, nothing changed GUI-wise). So that looks harmless to me.
>>>
>>> Yet I have been told we should not touch the po files ourselves, if
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> So 2 questions:
>>> 1/ Is it ok if I just push this change?
>>>
>>> 2/ In the future, what should be our process as developers when we just
>>> see these kinds of code issues affecting the po files? Can we just push
>>> (making our own decision that this is not a translation issue) or we must
>>> ask case by case?
>>>
>>> Thanks for the awesome work, all!
>>>
>>> Jehan
>>>
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Wrong context in 2 strings

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Hi!

In GIMP, we had a small bug in 2 strings: "Grow lighter areas of the image"
and "Grow darker areas of the image".

Basically in our code, we declared the strings with "drawable-action"
context (hence that was the msgctx registered in po files) but called the
translation with "filters-action" context so they were not translated.
I fixed the code to use "filters-action" everywhere (the other was wrong),
but the wrong context is now in various po/*.po files (43 files).

Do you mind if I just do a massive search-and-replace for these 2
context/strings to fix them? I mean, I actually already did it locally
(took 20 secs), and I think that it is simpler than having everyone just
edit manually for what was basically just a code bug. The actual context is
the same (these strings are filter descriptions, same place in the GUI as
what they were, nothing changed GUI-wise). So that looks harmless to me.

Yet I have been told we should not touch the po files ourselves, if
possible.

So 2 questions:
1/ Is it ok if I just push this change?

2/ In the future, what should be our process as developers when we just see
these kinds of code issues affecting the po files? Can we just push (making
our own decision that this is not a translation issue) or we must ask case
by case?

Thanks for the awesome work, all!

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Re: gtk string change

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Hi!

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:51 AM Claude Paroz  wrote:

> Le 11.01.19 à 01:37, Emmanuele Bassi via gnome-i18n a écrit :
> > It's not "I" (the uppercase letter i) and "O" (the uppercase letter o),
> but:
> >
> >   - for the "on" state: MEDIUM VERTICAL BAR (U+2759) ❙
> >   - for the "off" state: WHITE CIRCLE (U+25CB) ○
>

I see. Though I still don't see the semantic. I thought ○ was the "on"
switch actually (it looks "open" to me, unlike ❙which looks "closed"). Does
it come from some specific field where these symbols are used like this?
Maybe in electronics (most likely place to have switches)?


> > These two symbols were also the recommended translation for "ON" and
> > "OFF" in the source code:
>
> Then why not provide the ❙ and ○ characters for translation?
>

That looks like a good idea to me. :-)

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Re: gtk string change

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Hi Matthias!

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:24 PM Matthias Clasen via gnome-i18n <
gnome-i18n@gnome.org> wrote:

> Just a quick headsup:
>
> We're chaning GtkSwitch to always use I/o instead of a translated on/off.
> So there is going to be 2 less strings to translate for gtk.
>

Maybe it's a bit off-topic to ask this on this list but I don't know where
else this has been discussed.
Why this change? What does I/o means? (well I know the input/output
meaning, but if that's it, I don't see the generic relationship with a
switch, so I assume it's another meaning)

I personally find this a lot less understandable than a translated on/off.
Fortunately GtkSwitch also has color that shows if the switch is on or off,
otherwise this I/o would be totally puzzling to me, as for whether the
field is checked or not.

Jehan

P.S.: I am sure I am late and this has probably been discussed on some
report before since it looks like an already done decision. But I still
wanted to add my small comments. I hope you don't mind!

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Release of GIMP 2.10.8 planned for end of week

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Hi everyone!

We are hoping to get 2.10.8 out this weekend, if all goes well.
Therefore, now is the time for any last-minute translations, if needed. :-)

As usual, the work is meant to happen on branch `gimp-2-10` in priority.

Thank you everyone!

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Re: About gimp user manual translation...

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On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:44 AM Snehalata Shirude <
snehalata.shir...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello
>
> One is from $ git clone git://git.gnome.org/gimp-help-2
>
> Another is https://l10n.gnome.org/module/gimp-help/
>

Oh ok. That's not a gimp.org website. I have no idea then. I assume this
should be more or less up-to-date, but Claude would know better than I.

Jehan


> Snehalata
>
>
> On Thu 13 Sep, 2018, 12:46 PM Jehan Pagès, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:11 AM Claude Paroz  wrote:
>>
>>> Le 13. 09. 18 à 08:59, Jehan Pagès a écrit :
>>> > Hi!
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 7:09 AM Snehalata Shirude
>>> > mailto:snehalata.shir...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> > There are some small difference in both files such number of
>>> strings
>>> > and sequence. It is needed for us to decide which po files we
>>> should
>>> > use for translation purpose now. Please tell us...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Well unless I misunderstand what you are saying, the repository is
>>> > always authoritative. Therefore use the po files generated from repo
>>> text.
>>>
>>> I'm not so sure about this. We should find out what and why there are
>>> differences. Ideally they should be identical.
>>>
>>>
>> That's actually why I was asking for a link. I don't think we should
>> upload any po files on the website. If we do, this is probably wrong unless
>> this is automatically updated regularly (which is obviously not the case).
>> Hence the repo should be the only reference.
>>
>> But of course, maybe I miss something. :-)
>> In any case, we should really know first where these po files come from.
>>
>> Jehan
>>
>>
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Re: About gimp user manual translation...

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Hi,

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:11 AM Claude Paroz  wrote:

> Le 13. 09. 18 à 08:59, Jehan Pagès a écrit :
> > Hi!
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 7:09 AM Snehalata Shirude
> > mailto:snehalata.shir...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> ...
> > There are some small difference in both files such number of strings
> > and sequence. It is needed for us to decide which po files we should
> > use for translation purpose now. Please tell us...
> >
> >
> > Well unless I misunderstand what you are saying, the repository is
> > always authoritative. Therefore use the po files generated from repo
> text.
>
> I'm not so sure about this. We should find out what and why there are
> differences. Ideally they should be identical.
>
>
That's actually why I was asking for a link. I don't think we should upload
any po files on the website. If we do, this is probably wrong unless this
is automatically updated regularly (which is obviously not the case). Hence
the repo should be the only reference.

But of course, maybe I miss something. :-)
In any case, we should really know first where these po files come from.

Jehan


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Re: About gimp user manual translation...

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Hi!

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 7:09 AM Snehalata Shirude <
snehalata.shir...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am snehalata from India. Our team at North maharashtra university
> starting translations for gimp user manual into Marathi. In that direction
> we downloaded repository from docs.gimp.org using git and then running
> make po-mr command we got all po files on our machine. We also found user
> manual po files from website l10n which are master branch.
>

Where did you find these files on the website exactly? Could you give me a
link?


> There are some small difference in both files such number of strings and
> sequence. It is needed for us to decide which po files we should use for
> translation purpose now. Please tell us...
>

Well unless I misunderstand what you are saying, the repository is always
authoritative. Therefore use the po files generated from repo text.

Jehan


> Thanks to all..
>
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Re: From North Maharashtra University, Jalgaon India regarding GIMP

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Hi!

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 11:54 AM Andre Klapper  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for all your work! Comments inline:
>
> On Mon, 2018-09-03 at 15:18 +0530, Snehalata Shirude wrote:
> > We are very much thankful to you for adding Marathi translations in a
> > new release of GIMP and publishing news officially on GIMP website!
> >
> > Prof. Manish Joshi from North Maharashtra University conveyed you
> > that the translation is initiated as Project of Rajya Marathi Vikas
> > Sanstha, Mumbai. In this project it was decided to have regular
> > review meetings to monitor the progress and also check the quality of
> > the translation with the help of experts. We will organize a state
> > level workshop inviting users of GIMP, Marathi language experts,
> > localization experts etc.
> >
> > In a review meeting organized on 21st of Aug, it is discussed that
> > some of the strings should be modified so that correct and exact
> > meaning be conveyed. Many such strings are identified in the meeting.
> > Hence, we have decided to have look at all the strings and re
> > translate it. We shall once again upload the modified .po files in
> > near future.
> >
> > One important questions raised that whether the translation can
> > support “Open Type Font Features”? We are getting a Devanagari script
> > श whereas we wish to have this -> .
>
> What are “Open Type Font Features”?
> What are the complete steps you perform (step by step) and where?
>

For the record, the character posted and the image was showing the same
(only difference would be style differences, I think, though I don't read
Marathi), in the Firefox browser.

Snehalata > do you have any screenshot in GIMP where this script is wrongly
displayed as another character?

My guess is that it would be a limitation in GTK+. Though, same as Andre,
getting more details on the problem would help (keep in mind we don't write
Marathi, so don't have any background on which character should show how,
and why it doesn't; though I know such problems exist, for instance I read
some CJK character would show different depending on whether you use fonts
targeted at Japanese or Chinese audience).


>
> > Along with the work of translating GIMP user interface into Marathi,
> > we have also planned for localization of GIMP user manual into
> > Marathi.
> >
> > The steps for translation of user manual are obtained from website
> > https://gitlab.gnome.org/. We downloaded gimp-help files containing
> > folders like docs, images, make.d, omf, po, quickreference, src,
> > stylesheets, tools, and web. The clone command we could find is-
> > “ git clone g...@gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/” . When we try to register to
> > this site, it is not allowing us to create account. How we can create
> > a GNOME account doing this work on https://gitlab.gnome.org/?
>
> As https://wiki.gnome.org/TranslationProject/GitHowTo is horribly
> outdated I'd point to https://wiki.gnome.org/Git/Developers
>
> If you have problems, please provide exact steps that you performed.
>
> It is currently unclear to me why you need to push translation updates
> directly into the code repositories on gitlab.gnome.org if you can also
> upload proposed translation changes to l10n.gnome.org instead so the
> translation team coordinator could review and merge your changes.
>

Indeed as far as I understood, manuals are translated exactly the same way
as the GUI. So the process should be the same, shouldn't it?
I don't think you actually need an account on gitlab.


> > We noticed that there are .po files for GIMP User Manual on website
> > https://l10n.gnome.org/module/gimp-help/
> >
> > Which files we should refer whether from https://gitlab.gnome.org/ or
> > from https://l10n.gnome.org/module/gimp-help/?


The most up-to-date files are: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help
Maybe po files are hosted elsewhere, and maybe these are exactly the same
(or not; no idea). But in doubt, use the original ones.

Jehan


> > We are not able to understand what exactly should we do with the
> > files we downloaded from both the web sites? Where the repository
> > should be kept to clone? And important query is how we can check on
> > local machine the translations? It is very much important for us to
> > know about the exact process that we can follow to perform user
> > manual translation.
> >
> > We are eagerly waiting for the response in this regard on this e-mail
> > address.
> >
> > Once again we express our thanks!
> >
> > Prof. Manish R. Joshi
> > Dr. Snehalata B. Shirude
> >
> > Team of North Maharashtra University, Jalgaon and Rajya Vikas
> > Sanstha, Mumbai
>
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Release of GIMP 2.10.6 planned for end of week

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Hi!

We are planning the release of GIMP 2.10.6 around the end of the week. I
set a target date for 2018/08/10 though it is not set in stone. It might
actually happen a day before, as a few days after.

As a reminder, this is the branch gimp-2-10 (master branch is still a
moving target) where the release will happen.

If you wish to update the translation for your language, now is the time.

We are also quite happy of translators as we will announce a new language
at this release, very close to 100% GUI-wise, which will make the 81st
language for GIMP! Big thanks to the North Maharashtra University for this!

And thanks a lot everyone for the continuous work!

Jehan
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Re: Help needed...

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Hi!

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Snehalata Shirude via gnome-i18n <
gnome-i18n@gnome.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am Snehalata Shirude from India... Our team is working on GIMP user
> interface and User manual localization. We uploaded some part regarding
> user interface. The remaining one we will upload files one by one very
> soon.
> For testing of User Manual, we are not able to find any way to test on our
> local machine after translating it.
>

You are talking about the repository called gimp-help-2, right?


> So please can anyone help me in this regard..
>

It is hard to give general advices, other than the ones that already exist
in the INSTALL and README files (which I assume you read). Could you rather
tell us what you tried and what kind of errors you got?
Thanks.

Jehan


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Re: New po files posted...

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Hello!

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Claude Paroz  wrote:

> Le 07. 07. 18 à 17:40, Snehalata Shirude a écrit :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thanks for committing one po file for gimp in Marathi. Almost all other
>> files are posted on site... One is only remaining about gap... Will upload
>> soon. Please consider all uploaded ones.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Snehalata Shirude
>> MS, India
>>
>
> [mail resent with proper ML address, sorry]
>
> Impressive work! That's about 16k strings translated.
>
> Would be nice to see the GNOME desktop also receive some new Marathi
> translations.
>

Very nice work!
Thanks to you and your team, Snehalata!

For the record though, we had a last-minute change of plan and decided to
release 2.10.4 on Wednesday, so a few days earlier than planned, hence
without Marathi. Don't worry though, GIMP has quite a regular release
schedule now, so I predict 2.10.6 will happen within 1 to 3 months.

Also our offer still applies, if you want to publish a short news after
your translation workshop happens. We will be happy. Maybe we can do this
in the form of a short interview if you prefer. :-)

Jehan


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Re: Marathi coordination

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Hi again!

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Claude Paroz  wrote:

> Le 29. 06. 18 à 13:25, Jehan Pagès a écrit :
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:27 AM, Manish Joshi > > wrote:
>>
> ...
>
>> In case we decide to go for this July release deadline, what sort of
>> preparations we will have to do at our end. And when should you
>> expect us to submit our work in that case.
>>
>>
>>  From what I understood, all you have to do is upload your files there:
>> https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/mr/gnome-gimp/ui/
>> (I assume you need to be logged in to see upload link/buttons)
>>
>> Then report back by email here so that a coordinator from any language
>> can validate the files before the release.
>>
>> At least that's what I understood. If wrong, Claude or someone else
>> should be able to help you.
>>
>
> That's perfectly understood :-)
>
>
I forgot to answer to the "when" question. We are planning the release next
weekend, thus either 7 or 8 of July (unless we end up late, that happens).
So this has to happen before if you want Marathi to be in GIMP 2.10.4. :-)
If not, no worry, it can be for a further release.

Jehan



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Re: Marathi coordination

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Hi!

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:27 AM, Manish Joshi  wrote:

> Hello,
> >> What is RMVS? Searching the web, I found a NGO "Rashtriya Manav Vikas
> Samiti". Is that it?
> It is Rajya Marathi Vikas Sanstha - https://rmvs.maharashtra.gov.in/
>
> Sharing of our experience is really a good idea - we will certainly write
> about it. thanks for motivating us.
>
> In case we decide to go for this July release deadline, what sort of
> preparations we will have to do at our end. And when should you expect us
> to submit our work in that case.
>

>From what I understood, all you have to do is upload your files there:
https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/mr/gnome-gimp/ui/
(I assume you need to be logged in to see upload link/buttons)

Then report back by email here so that a coordinator from any language can
validate the files before the release.

At least that's what I understood. If wrong, Claude or someone else should
be able to help you.
Regards,

Jehan Pagès


>
> Thanks
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Jehan Pagès 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Manish Joshi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All, (especially Claude, Jehan...)
>>> Thank you for your support and your concern about our translation
>>> efforts.
>>>
>>> Dr Snehal and myself (Prof. Manish Joshi) applied for the GIMP
>>> translation project (in Marathi language) to Rajya Marathi Vikas Sanstha
>>> (RMVS, State Marathi language development institution).
>>>
>>> As discussed by Dr Snehal, we have almost translated user interface of
>>> GIMP in Marathi. We did have an issue with the translation of Filter menu
>>> but that is also now resolved.
>>>
>>> The funding agency RMVS want to ensure that the marathi language terms
>>> that we have used are appropriate. We have decided to organize a one day
>>> workshop where number of Marathi language experts shall verify our
>>> 'Marathi' terms that we have used for the proposed 'Marathi' GIMP.
>>>
>>
>> Nice to read. It feels like this will be a quality translation.
>> What is RMVS? Searching the web, I found a NGO "Rashtriya Manav Vikas
>> Samiti". Is that it?
>>
>> By the way, if you wish to share your experience on translating GIMP on a
>> news post on gimp.org afterwards, we would be happy to have it. Maybe
>> with some nice photos of the workshop and attendees, and some text (not
>> necessarily long, as you see fit).
>>
>> Recently we have been trying to get more community input/outreach on our
>> website, and a workshop to translate GIMP in Marathi is a cool event IMO.
>>
>>
>>> We have two alternatives -
>>> 1. To wait till the consent of all the experts and then only submit our
>>> tranlated .po files
>>> 2. Submit the .po files soon, so it can go along with new release.
>>>
>>> I would like to request you to share your thoughts on it and give
>>> advise. How the other language translation has taken place.
>>>
>>
>> I think this is mostly up to you to decide, since you are the expert in
>> Marathi here. We cannot really tell you what we think of your translation
>> since none of us speak Marathi (I think) and it seems it is even in lack of
>> a coordinator lately. If you really think your translation needs more
>> attention to be releasable, then we can wait, no problem.
>>
>> On the other hand, if you think it is already quite usable, you can
>> always do it in steps, which means: submit your current version now, then
>> do the workshop, and later submit the revised translations.
>>
>> In any case, translating a Free Software is a constant work-in-progress.
>> You can always improve it later if you wish (and hopefully you will
>> continue to improve the Marathi translation in the future).
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jehan
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:33 PM, Snehalata Shirude <
>>> snehalata.shir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
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 From: Jehan Pagès 
 Date: Tue 26 Jun, 2018, 5:42 PM
 Subject: Re: Marathi coordination
 To: Claude Paroz 
 Cc: Snehalata Shirude , gnome-i18n <
 gnome-i18n@gnome.org>


 And to add a bit of info. We are in the process of soon releasing GIMP
 2.10.4. Your translation could be part of this release if it happens
 quickly. ;-)

 Jehan

 On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Claude Paroz 
 wrote:

> Dear Snehalata Shirude,
>
> I saw you already created an account on l10n.gnome.org.
> Do you need help to upload the translated GIMP po files on the site?
>
> This should be rather straightforward to do when browsing from:
> https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/mr/gnome-gimp/ui/
>
> Feel free to ask anything you need here.
>
> Claude
>
> Le 25. 06. 18 à 22:24, Jehan Pagès a écrit :
>
>> Hi everyone?
>>
>> Has anyone unblock the situation? Can I simply ask the po files to
>> these new contributor and push them to the git repository?
>>
>> I have no idea if they even 

Re: Marathi coordination

[Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n]

Hello,

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Manish Joshi  wrote:

> Dear All, (especially Claude, Jehan...)
> Thank you for your support and your concern about our translation efforts.
>
> Dr Snehal and myself (Prof. Manish Joshi) applied for the GIMP translation
> project (in Marathi language) to Rajya Marathi Vikas Sanstha (RMVS, State
> Marathi language development institution).
>
> As discussed by Dr Snehal, we have almost translated user interface of
> GIMP in Marathi. We did have an issue with the translation of Filter menu
> but that is also now resolved.
>
> The funding agency RMVS want to ensure that the marathi language terms
> that we have used are appropriate. We have decided to organize a one day
> workshop where number of Marathi language experts shall verify our
> 'Marathi' terms that we have used for the proposed 'Marathi' GIMP.
>

Nice to read. It feels like this will be a quality translation.
What is RMVS? Searching the web, I found a NGO "Rashtriya Manav Vikas
Samiti". Is that it?

By the way, if you wish to share your experience on translating GIMP on a
news post on gimp.org afterwards, we would be happy to have it. Maybe with
some nice photos of the workshop and attendees, and some text (not
necessarily long, as you see fit).

Recently we have been trying to get more community input/outreach on our
website, and a workshop to translate GIMP in Marathi is a cool event IMO.


> We have two alternatives -
> 1. To wait till the consent of all the experts and then only submit our
> tranlated .po files
> 2. Submit the .po files soon, so it can go along with new release.
>
> I would like to request you to share your thoughts on it and give advise.
> How the other language translation has taken place.
>

I think this is mostly up to you to decide, since you are the expert in
Marathi here. We cannot really tell you what we think of your translation
since none of us speak Marathi (I think) and it seems it is even in lack of
a coordinator lately. If you really think your translation needs more
attention to be releasable, then we can wait, no problem.

On the other hand, if you think it is already quite usable, you can always
do it in steps, which means: submit your current version now, then do the
workshop, and later submit the revised translations.

In any case, translating a Free Software is a constant work-in-progress.
You can always improve it later if you wish (and hopefully you will
continue to improve the Marathi translation in the future).
Thanks.

Jehan



> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:33 PM, Snehalata Shirude <
> snehalata.shir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Jehan Pagès 
>> Date: Tue 26 Jun, 2018, 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: Marathi coordination
>> To: Claude Paroz 
>> Cc: Snehalata Shirude , gnome-i18n <
>> gnome-i18n@gnome.org>
>>
>>
>> And to add a bit of info. We are in the process of soon releasing GIMP
>> 2.10.4. Your translation could be part of this release if it happens
>> quickly. ;-)
>>
>> Jehan
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Claude Paroz  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Snehalata Shirude,
>>>
>>> I saw you already created an account on l10n.gnome.org.
>>> Do you need help to upload the translated GIMP po files on the site?
>>>
>>> This should be rather straightforward to do when browsing from:
>>> https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/mr/gnome-gimp/ui/
>>>
>>> Feel free to ask anything you need here.
>>>
>>> Claude
>>>
>>> Le 25. 06. 18 à 22:24, Jehan Pagès a écrit :
>>>
 Hi everyone?

 Has anyone unblock the situation? Can I simply ask the po files to
 these new contributor and push them to the git repository?

 I have no idea if they even have access to Damned Lies and if they
 published these anywhere and I am just a bit scared they just drop the ball
 and we lose a full translation in a new language just because the language
 is missing a coordinator.
 So I would just go with any compromise. Also I have no idea myself what
 is the usual process for translators. When people ask us how to translate
 for GIMP, we usually just ask them to go and ask you, guys. :P

 Jehan



 On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Jehan Pagès <
 jehan.marmott...@gmail.com > wrote:

 Hi,

 On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Claude Paroz >>> > wrote:

 Le 18. 06. 18 à 13:41, Jehan Pagès a écrit :

 Hi!

 On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:04 PM, sandeep shedmake
 >>> 
 >> wrote:

  Nope, not active since long time. That said, signing
 off as Marathi
  Coordinator at [1].


 And thank you for your past 

Release of GIMP 2.10.4 planned for Week-end of 7/8 July

[Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n]

Hi!

We are planning a release of GIMP 2.10.4 possibly on Saturday 7 or Sunday 8
July 2018. As a reminder, this is the branch gimp-2-10 (master branch is
quite a moving target).

If you wish to update a bit the translation for your language, we'd be
happy of it.
Thanks all!

Jehan
GIMP

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Re: Marathi coordination

[Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n]

And to add a bit of info. We are in the process of soon releasing GIMP
2.10.4. Your translation could be part of this release if it happens
quickly. ;-)

Jehan

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Claude Paroz  wrote:

> Dear Snehalata Shirude,
>
> I saw you already created an account on l10n.gnome.org.
> Do you need help to upload the translated GIMP po files on the site?
>
> This should be rather straightforward to do when browsing from:
> https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/mr/gnome-gimp/ui/
>
> Feel free to ask anything you need here.
>
> Claude
>
> Le 25. 06. 18 à 22:24, Jehan Pagès a écrit :
>
>> Hi everyone?
>>
>> Has anyone unblock the situation? Can I simply ask the po files to these
>> new contributor and push them to the git repository?
>>
>> I have no idea if they even have access to Damned Lies and if they
>> published these anywhere and I am just a bit scared they just drop the ball
>> and we lose a full translation in a new language just because the language
>> is missing a coordinator.
>> So I would just go with any compromise. Also I have no idea myself what
>> is the usual process for translators. When people ask us how to translate
>> for GIMP, we usually just ask them to go and ask you, guys. :P
>>
>> Jehan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Jehan Pagès > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Claude Paroz > > wrote:
>>
>> Le 18. 06. 18 à 13:41, Jehan Pagès a écrit :
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:04 PM, sandeep shedmake
>> > 
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>>  Nope, not active since long time. That said, signing
>> off as Marathi
>>  Coordinator at [1].
>>
>>
>> And thank you for your past involvement!
>>
>>
>> Seconded!
>>
>> So dear GNOME-i18n, now what is the next steps for these new
>> contributors if there are no coordinators in their language?
>>
>>
>> In the sort term, any other coordinator (or GIMP maintainer) can
>> volunteer and commit Marathi files provided that they are
>> properly uploaded to:
>> https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/mr/gnome-gimp/ui/
>> 
>>
>>
>> As a GIMP dev, I would not mind volunteering to just temporarily
>> sort out the situation, but I never used Damned Lies, and don't even
>> have an account. Even if I made one now, I would still have to
>> figure out the GUI, what to do, etc.
>> I guess another coordinator would just do a better job. We would
>> appreciate anyone to help our Marathi students (I assume they are,
>> seeing they are saying to be from a university). :-)
>>
>> Jehan
>>
>> Hopefully someone will soon volunteer to become the new Marathi
>> coordinator!
>>
>> Claude
>> -- www.2xlibre.net 
>>
>
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Re: Marathi coordination

[Jehan Pagès via gnome-i18n]

Hi everyone?

Has anyone unblock the situation? Can I simply ask the po files to these
new contributor and push them to the git repository?

I have no idea if they even have access to Damned Lies and if they
published these anywhere and I am just a bit scared they just drop the ball
and we lose a full translation in a new language just because the language
is missing a coordinator.
So I would just go with any compromise. Also I have no idea myself what is
the usual process for translators. When people ask us how to translate for
GIMP, we usually just ask them to go and ask you, guys. :P

Jehan



On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Jehan Pagès 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Claude Paroz  wrote:
>
>> Le 18. 06. 18 à 13:41, Jehan Pagès a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:04 PM, sandeep shedmake <
>>> sandeep.shedm...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> Nope, not active since long time. That said, signing off as Marathi
>>> Coordinator at [1].
>>>
>>
>> And thank you for your past involvement!
>>>
>>
>> Seconded!
>>
>> So dear GNOME-i18n, now what is the next steps for these new contributors
>>> if there are no coordinators in their language?
>>>
>>
>> In the sort term, any other coordinator (or GIMP maintainer) can
>> volunteer and commit Marathi files provided that they are properly uploaded
>> to:
>> https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/mr/gnome-gimp/ui/
>>
>>
> As a GIMP dev, I would not mind volunteering to just temporarily sort out
> the situation, but I never used Damned Lies, and don't even have an
> account. Even if I made one now, I would still have to figure out the GUI,
> what to do, etc.
> I guess another coordinator would just do a better job. We would
> appreciate anyone to help our Marathi students (I assume they are, seeing
> they are saying to be from a university). :-)
>
> Jehan
>
>
>> Hopefully someone will soon volunteer to become the new Marathi
>> coordinator!
>>
>> Claude
>> --
>> www.2xlibre.net
>>
>
>
>
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