Re: Getting to know each other!
El dc 11 de 08 de 2010 a les 10:28 +0300, en/na Ihar Hrachyshka va escriure: On 08/11/10 01:06, Petr Kovar wrote: That's certainly an option, but since there have been surveys conducted in other GNOME teams before, what about using their specialized web-based tools (i.e. LimeSurvey)? That's an option too. I hope it uses the same credentials as other GNOME infrastructure services. Anyone wants to set it up? We said to send it in the next few days ... if not we can do it now with a txt file and on next surveys use it. Cheers, ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n -- gil forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Hi all, Long time since I last posted to this list :) I've just noticed the thread on running a survey for getting a pulse on how GNOME translation teams are doing, and I saw Gabor mentioning the one we ran in Ubuntu and part of it being used as a basis. I just want to say that I'm really glad that that's useful. Having set up the Ubuntu survey, I'll be more than happy to give a hand or, if anyone is interested, share the experiences I had running it that might also apply to the GNOME one. El dc 11 de 08 de 2010 a les 00:06 +0200, en/na Petr Kovar va escriure: That's certainly an option, but since there have been surveys conducted in other GNOME teams before, what about using their specialized web-based tools (i.e. LimeSurvey)? I'd also suggest using a tool to collect and analyse the responses. In my experience, the easier it is for participants to submit their feedback, the higher (and quicker) the response rate. But most importantly, it makes life a lot easier for whoever processes the responses afterwards. I used Surveymonkey to run the translations team healthcheck survey, but there are also other Open Source tools as well, such as LimeSurvey, as Petr mentioned. El dt 03 de 08 de 2010 a les 15:00 +0200, en/na Andre Klapper va escriure: Am Dienstag, den 03.08.2010, 08:41 -0400 schrieb Og Maciel: Can we get a list of all coordinators and their email from D-L's database? What for? Coordinators are expected to be subscribed to this mailing list anyway... Yes, that's a policy, but it is difficult to check whether all coordinators are indeed subscribed: they might use a different subscription address than the one at damned-lies, or it might be an old address no longer used (I know there is also a policy for using an up-to-date e-mail address, but that's also hard to enforce), or simply they might not be reading the e-mail coming from the list. In any case, if the goal is to reach out to as many coordinators as possible, without contacting everyone in every single team, I believe direct e-mail is a valid option. Regards, David. ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Le vendredi 13 août 2010 à 21:06 +0200, Gil Forcada a écrit : El dv 13 de 08 de 2010 a les 12:44 +0200, en/na Gil Forcada va escriure: El dc 11 de 08 de 2010 a les 10:28 +0300, en/na Ihar Hrachyshka va escriure: On 08/11/10 01:06, Petr Kovar wrote: That's certainly an option, but since there have been surveys conducted in other GNOME teams before, what about using their specialized web-based tools (i.e. LimeSurvey)? That's an option too. I hope it uses the same credentials as other GNOME infrastructure services. Anyone wants to set it up? We said to send it in the next few days ... if not we can do it now with a txt file and on next surveys use it. So if no one steps in to make it as an online survey how do we send it to all coordinators and who wants to process the feedback (I already said that I can help here). I can send you (privately) a list of all coordinator emails from D-L, if you need it. Claude ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
On 08/11/10 01:06, Petr Kovar wrote: That's certainly an option, but since there have been surveys conducted in other GNOME teams before, what about using their specialized web-based tools (i.e. LimeSurvey)? That's an option too. I hope it uses the same credentials as other GNOME infrastructure services. ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Hi! Gil Forcada gforc...@gnome.org, Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:01:10 +0200: El dl 09 de 08 de 2010 a les 14:13 +0300, en/na Ihar Hrachyshka va escriure: Hi Gil, The idea of survey is cool, I love it. Though I have a question. I can create a .odf with the survey to allow easy answering. Do you mean attendee will need to open .odt file to take part in survey? I think it's an overkill for simple survey. Personally, I don't have any OpenOffice-like software on my primary machine. Why can't we just do it with simple txt file (or survey web page)? Which features needed for making a survey does txt file lack? Then let it be txt file ... :) That's certainly an option, but since there have been surveys conducted in other GNOME teams before, what about using their specialized web-based tools (i.e. LimeSurvey)? See e.g. this mail sent to the marketing-list: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2010-February/msg00090.html My 1 heller, Petr Kovar ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Hi, Anyone wants to add/correct any question in the survey? Let's say that there's time until Wednesday and on Thursday (while coming back from Berlin to Barcelona) I can create a .odf with the survey to allow easy answering. Then the question is: who will process this? I'm volunteering for it, but anyone else wants to also help on the process? We can ask the coordinators to mail the odt to some people. Comments / suggestions ? Cheers, El dg 08 de 08 de 2010 a les 11:28 -0400, en/na Og Maciel va escriure: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Gil Forcada gforc...@gnome.org wrote: Thinking about doing it soon maybe it would be a good idea to do it 2 weeks before the string freeze (August 30th [1]) so it means that next week we should sent it to coordinators and expect them to reply within these two weeks before the August 30th. What do you think about it? +1 Cheers, -- gil forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Hi Gil, The idea of survey is cool, I love it. Though I have a question. I can create a .odf with the survey to allow easy answering. Do you mean attendee will need to open .odt file to take part in survey? I think it's an overkill for simple survey. Personally, I don't have any OpenOffice-like software on my primary machine. Why can't we just do it with simple txt file (or survey web page)? Which features needed for making a survey does txt file lack? Best regards, Ihar Hrachyshka ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
El dl 09 de 08 de 2010 a les 14:13 +0300, en/na Ihar Hrachyshka va escriure: Hi Gil, The idea of survey is cool, I love it. Though I have a question. I can create a .odf with the survey to allow easy answering. Do you mean attendee will need to open .odt file to take part in survey? I think it's an overkill for simple survey. Personally, I don't have any OpenOffice-like software on my primary machine. Why can't we just do it with simple txt file (or survey web page)? Which features needed for making a survey does txt file lack? Then let it be txt file ... :) Cheers, Best regards, Ihar Hrachyshka ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n -- gil forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
El dj 05 de 08 de 2010 a les 19:47 +0200, en/na Petr Kovar va escriure: Hi! Gil Forcada gforc...@gnome.org, Wed, 04 Aug 2010 23:01:13 +0200: First we have to have the questions defined :) Though it would be useful to know the target audience of this survey, but coordinators would be the first ones to get the survey. Yes, we can then surely edit the survey questions as necessary. Thank you Gil for your work, I've just added some new bits to the survey. Hopefully we can conduct the survey soon. Thanks for adding more bits. I have already added some more. Thinking about doing it soon maybe it would be a good idea to do it 2 weeks before the string freeze (August 30th [1]) so it means that next week we should sent it to coordinators and expect them to reply within these two weeks before the August 30th. What do you think about it? Cheers, [1] http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone Regards, Petr Kovar ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n -- gil forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Gil Forcada gforc...@gnome.org wrote: Thinking about doing it soon maybe it would be a good idea to do it 2 weeks before the string freeze (August 30th [1]) so it means that next week we should sent it to coordinators and expect them to reply within these two weeks before the August 30th. What do you think about it? +1 Cheers, -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org ogmac...@ubuntu.com GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Am Sonntag, den 08.08.2010, 17:13 +0200 schrieb Gil Forcada: El dj 05 de 08 de 2010 a les 19:47 +0200, en/na Petr Kovar va escriure: Hi! Gil Forcada gforc...@gnome.org, Wed, 04 Aug 2010 23:01:13 +0200: First we have to have the questions defined :) Though it would be useful to know the target audience of this survey, but coordinators would be the first ones to get the survey. Yes, we can then surely edit the survey questions as necessary. Thank you Gil for your work, I've just added some new bits to the survey. Hopefully we can conduct the survey soon. Thanks for adding more bits. I have already added some more. Thinking about doing it soon maybe it would be a good idea to do it 2 weeks before the string freeze (August 30th [1]) so it means that next week we should sent it to coordinators and expect them to reply within these two weeks before the August 30th. What do you think about it? +1 as well. Sorry for being idle in this thread, but I'm half on vacation. -- Jorge González González alor...@gmail.com Weblog: http://aloriel.no-ip.org Fotolog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aloriel ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Hi! Gil Forcada gforc...@gnome.org, Wed, 04 Aug 2010 23:01:13 +0200: First we have to have the questions defined :) Though it would be useful to know the target audience of this survey, but coordinators would be the first ones to get the survey. Yes, we can then surely edit the survey questions as necessary. Thank you Gil for your work, I've just added some new bits to the survey. Hopefully we can conduct the survey soon. Regards, Petr Kovar ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Can we all agree on a date to send the questions out? Also, how are we doing this? I assume we can use the same technology that Ubuntu did... -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org ogmac...@ubuntu.com GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
First we have to have the questions defined :) Though it would be useful to know the target audience of this survey, but coordinators would be the first ones to get the survey. Cheers, El dc 04 de 08 de 2010 a les 09:24 -0400, en/na Og Maciel va escriure: Can we all agree on a date to send the questions out? Also, how are we doing this? I assume we can use the same technology that Ubuntu did... -- gil forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Am Dienstag, den 03.08.2010, 09:07 -0400 schrieb Og Maciel: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: What for? Coordinators are expected to be subscribed to this mailing list anyway... I feel that it will give us a good pulse for what teams are active and which ones aren't. Besides, if we don't get a RSVP from a team coordinator, we could then make it a point of reaching out to the team and see if we can do anything to wake it up. Basically, I want to be proactive. I see, and I agree. On a related note to being proactive, I blogged about my thoughts and ideas as I gave a talk at GUADEC about identifying teams in need: http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2010/08/02/identifying-teams-in-need/ Maybe some of it could be useful, e.g. contacting teams with a big loss according to http://l10n.gnome.org/releases/compare/ui/8-12-13-16/ (mk, dz, sq, si, ne, en_CA, cy, hr, fa, vi) and teams that have had a very low Git activity for the last two years (an, bal, bem, dv, ff, fur, gn, ha, km, ks, ky, nap, tg, yo, zh_trad, zu, en_AU, ha, kk, la, ug) to ask for their status and potential issues and reasons why activity is low, and if possible how to help them (e.g. in case of missing manpower contacting downstream teams). andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://www.iomc.de/ | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
El dl 02 de 08 de 2010 a les 22:34 +0200, en/na Petr Kovar va escriure: Hi! Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu, Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:47:07 +0200: 2010-08-01 20:05 keltezéssel, Og Maciel írta: Hi there fellow translators!!! A while back I wanted to propose an online meeting with the GTP gang and (if possible) all coordinators and supporters for the GNOME language teams to get a pulse of how the community in general is. It would be nice to learn about who is coordinating what team, what your level of participation is, issues you're having, feedback on how to improve things, etc. What do you guys think? Posting my opinion here too: Some time ago this question came up in the Ubuntu coordination team, and we settled at UDS[1] to send out a survey, the results are at [2]. Compared to an IRC meeting, this method seems to scale better, it is also easier to create nice graphs from the collected data :). So, I guess this could work for us too. Yes, great ideas! IMHO having both the IRC meeting and survey wouldn't hurt, in case there are willing volunteers around to organize it. :-) Hi, We can start brainstorming the survey stealing the Ubuntu's one and adapting to our needs. I went ahead and have created a page on l.g.o: http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/Survey Add/remove as much as needed :) Regarding the IRC meetings we could make once per month or something like this. Cheers, Best, Petr Kovar ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n -- gil forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Gil Forcada gforc...@gnome.org wrote: I went ahead and have created a page on l.g.o: http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/Survey Thanks Gil! Quick question: who will the initial target audience be? Team coordinators for starters? Can we get a list of all coordinators and their email from D-L's database? Cheers, -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org ogmac...@ubuntu.com GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Am Dienstag, den 03.08.2010, 08:41 -0400 schrieb Og Maciel: Can we get a list of all coordinators and their email from D-L's database? What for? Coordinators are expected to be subscribed to this mailing list anyway... andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://www.iomc.de/ | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: What for? Coordinators are expected to be subscribed to this mailing list anyway... I feel that it will give us a good pulse for what teams are active and which ones aren't. Besides, if we don't get a RSVP from a team coordinator, we could then make it a point of reaching out to the team and see if we can do anything to wake it up. Basically, I want to be proactive. -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org ogmac...@ubuntu.com GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Hi! What for? Coordinators are expected to be subscribed to this mailing list anyway... ...are required to... (sorry for being picky ;)[1] Johannes [1]http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/StartingATeam ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Hi! Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu, Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:47:07 +0200: 2010-08-01 20:05 keltezéssel, Og Maciel írta: Hi there fellow translators!!! A while back I wanted to propose an online meeting with the GTP gang and (if possible) all coordinators and supporters for the GNOME language teams to get a pulse of how the community in general is. It would be nice to learn about who is coordinating what team, what your level of participation is, issues you're having, feedback on how to improve things, etc. What do you guys think? Posting my opinion here too: Some time ago this question came up in the Ubuntu coordination team, and we settled at UDS[1] to send out a survey, the results are at [2]. Compared to an IRC meeting, this method seems to scale better, it is also easier to create nice graphs from the collected data :). So, I guess this could work for us too. Yes, great ideas! IMHO having both the IRC meeting and survey wouldn't hurt, in case there are willing volunteers around to organize it. :-) Best, Petr Kovar ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Getting to know each other!
Hi there fellow translators!!! A while back I wanted to propose an online meeting with the GTP gang and (if possible) all coordinators and supporters for the GNOME language teams to get a pulse of how the community in general is. It would be nice to learn about who is coordinating what team, what your level of participation is, issues you're having, feedback on how to improve things, etc. What do you guys think? -- Og B. Maciel GNOME Foundation Board of Directors omac...@foresightlinux.org ogmac...@gnome.org ogmac...@ubuntu.com GPG Keys: D5CFC202 http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
2010-08-01 20:05 keltezéssel, Og Maciel írta: Hi there fellow translators!!! A while back I wanted to propose an online meeting with the GTP gang and (if possible) all coordinators and supporters for the GNOME language teams to get a pulse of how the community in general is. It would be nice to learn about who is coordinating what team, what your level of participation is, issues you're having, feedback on how to improve things, etc. What do you guys think? Posting my opinion here too: Some time ago this question came up in the Ubuntu coordination team, and we settled at UDS[1] to send out a survey, the results are at [2]. Compared to an IRC meeting, this method seems to scale better, it is also easier to create nice graphs from the collected data :). So, I guess this could work for us too. Regards Gabor Kelemen [1]: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-translation-teams-healthcheck [2]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Surveys/TeamsHealthcheck ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Getting to know each other!
Hi, I'm Fran, coordinator of Galician team, I'm interested in this meeting as well. Please propose some dates for it. Regards. O Dom, 01-08-2010 ás 14:05 -0400, Og Maciel escribiu: Hi there fellow translators!!! A while back I wanted to propose an online meeting with the GTP gang and (if possible) all coordinators and supporters for the GNOME language teams to get a pulse of how the community in general is. It would be nice to learn about who is coordinating what team, what your level of participation is, issues you're having, feedback on how to improve things, etc. What do you guys think? ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
