Re: [GNC] [GNC-dev] Recording dividend payoffs

[Christopher Lam]

I suspect there's vocabulary issue here.

Justin are you talking about Dividends whereby the business owner (with
shareholders) sends monies to shareholders? I don't know how to book these
transactions. Asset:Bank -> Expenses:Dividends?

Or are we talking about Dividends whereby the individual (has shares in
companies) receives money from these shares? This one is Income:Dividends
to Asset:Bank and gets wound up into Retained Earnings after closing books.

Or a combined one whereby the Company Owner (has full, or partial shares in
company) decides to issue dividends, and pays himself and other
shareholders a dividend? (Asset:Business:Bank -> Asset:Personal:Bank) ???

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 22:26, Justin Mathew  wrote:

> John, Do you even realize what you've typed?
>
> > Sorry, you're wrong on both points.
>
> Apparently you're also implying that not just me, but the whole accounting
> ecosystem is wrong because we all believe that Retained Earnings is net
> income minus dividend payments.
>
> > GnuCash doesn't care about the dividend payment, it's up to the
> user--i.e. you--to set up your Accounts correctly and make the dividend
> payments with the right account.
>
> It has to care, else don't call it an accounting software, period! Do you
> not realize that there is no 'right account' in GnuCash for dividends? If
> you put is as expense that's technically wrong, if you put it as equity,
> the Retained Earnings calculations ignores it. Isn't that the whole gist of
> my emails - that we make one or find a better solution? Brainstorm, discuss
> potential solutions, see what we can do for next release to fix it instead
> of being defensive?
>
> The two explanations you gave doesn't fix the issue -
>
> a) You asked to close the books which will put the money into Retained
> Earnings. The problem with this solution is that it forces the user to
> close the books when he doesn't have to. Even if you ignore that, the
> solution doesn't take care of dividends. Dividends don't get adjusted to
> Retained Earnings because you still define Retained Earnings as total
> income - total expenses at a particular date. Well, that equation gives you
> total net income, not retained earnings. Simple accounting formulas. Maybe
> the naming system is wrong as mentioned by Frank.
>
> b) You asked to make an expense statement to record dividends. Well,
> that's the workaround we all are using at the moment, and everyone who
> replied to this thread did say that. I am merely suggesting that we find a
> proper solution to this because using an expense account for dividends is
> just technically wrong.
>
> >If you need an accounting program that handles it automagically, GnuCash
> isn't the right solution for you.
>
> I don't need an automatic thing! No one is talking about handling
> dividends automatically. Dividends can be arbitrary and this very nature
> makes it impossible to automate it. I am talking about the right tools
> (accounts) to record dividends when they are declared.
>
> To metaphorize, We need a hammer to hammer a nail and you're saying,
> "Sorry, that's just unnecessary, we have an axe, hold the head sideways and
> hit the nail with that. It should work!".
>
> I am just wondering what others in the list thinks of this issue. Should
> we work on it, or just let it be?
>
>
> -
> Regards,
> Justin Mathew
> mjus...@protonmail.com
>
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>
> -
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> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 3:06 AM, John Ralls 
> wrote:
>
> > Justin,
> >
> > Sorry, you're wrong on both points. GnuCash doesn't care about the
> dividend payment, it's up to the user--i.e. you--to set up your Accounts
> correctly and make the dividend payments with the right account. I've
> explained twice now how to do that, I won't again. If you need an
> accounting program that handles it automagically, GnuCash isn't the right
> solution for you.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> > > On Apr 16, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Justin Mathew mjus...@protonmail.com
> wrote:
> > > John,
> > >
> > > > It's not a workaround, it's a choice. Either you close your books or
> you don't. If you do then you close to a Retained Earnings account and all
> is good. If you don't then GnuCash calculates your retained earnings for
> you and all is good. At present if you mix the two then you get two
> "Retained Earnings" lines in your report unless you name the account
> something else. So don't mix them.
> > >
> > > I was referring to the use of 'Expense' accounts for dividend payments
> as workaround. Not the choice of closing or continuing the books which is
> of course a choice.
> > > Anyway, I have spent enough time putting my point across. Let me
> summarize what Frank and I meant in two bullet points.
> > > a) 'Retained Earnings' is your net income minus your dividends paid in
> general accounting terms. In GnuCash it means 

Re: [GNC] Credits and Debits

[John Clark via gnucash-user]

> On Apr 15, 2019, at 11:17 PM, AEG via gnucash-user  
> wrote:
> 
> The concept of Credits and Debits confuses most newcomers to GnuCash (it did
> me), so I devised a way to remember which goes where.
> Given that transactions involve the movement of money from one account to
> another...
> 
> (C)redits belong to the (C)ontributing accounts. 
> (D)ebits belong to the (D)estination accounts.
> 
> It has always worked for me.

The labels at the top of my GNC transaction pages are labeled ‘Deposit’ and 
“Withdrawal”. Money comes into the ‘deposit’ column, money ‘disappears’ in the 
‘withdrawal’ column.

When I go to the bank I ‘deposit’ money in my account there, when I withdraw 
money from there, it disappears from my bank account.

I don’t need to change my sense of the ‘names’ depending on the account.

In the case of the credit card accounts, there are Payments (left column, 
putting money in) and Charges( taking money out).

Again the terms all in terms of my view, which is the important view for ‘my 
books’. 

How a bank or a credit card wants to view things, may be different or the 
columns reversed etc, but that need not be my view. And even if the credit card 
company is trying to
sock me for ‘charges’ I didn’t make… or the bank has ‘lost’ money out of my 
account, they need to explain it in terms of ‘my’ view.

I’m pretty thankful GNC did not use ‘debit/credit’ terms and the attendant 
confusion of contextual ‘meaning’, which may be exactly opposite their Latin 
root meanings, at least from
my point of view.



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Re: [GNC] [GNC-dev] Recording dividend payoffs

[Justin Mathew via gnucash-user]

John, Do you even realize what you've typed?

> Sorry, you're wrong on both points.

Apparently you're also implying that not just me, but the whole accounting 
ecosystem is wrong because we all believe that Retained Earnings is net income 
minus dividend payments.

> GnuCash doesn't care about the dividend payment, it's up to the user--i.e. 
> you--to set up your Accounts correctly and make the dividend payments with 
> the right account.

It has to care, else don't call it an accounting software, period! Do you not 
realize that there is no 'right account' in GnuCash for dividends? If you put 
is as expense that's technically wrong, if you put it as equity, the Retained 
Earnings calculations ignores it. Isn't that the whole gist of my emails - that 
we make one or find a better solution? Brainstorm, discuss potential solutions, 
see what we can do for next release to fix it instead of being defensive?

The two explanations you gave doesn't fix the issue -

a) You asked to close the books which will put the money into Retained 
Earnings. The problem with this solution is that it forces the user to close 
the books when he doesn't have to. Even if you ignore that, the solution 
doesn't take care of dividends. Dividends don't get adjusted to Retained 
Earnings because you still define Retained Earnings as total income - total 
expenses at a particular date. Well, that equation gives you total net income, 
not retained earnings. Simple accounting formulas. Maybe the naming system is 
wrong as mentioned by Frank.

b) You asked to make an expense statement to record dividends. Well, that's the 
workaround we all are using at the moment, and everyone who replied to this 
thread did say that. I am merely suggesting that we find a proper solution to 
this because using an expense account for dividends is just technically wrong.

>If you need an accounting program that handles it automagically, GnuCash isn't 
>the right solution for you.

I don't need an automatic thing! No one is talking about handling dividends 
automatically. Dividends can be arbitrary and this very nature makes it 
impossible to automate it. I am talking about the right tools (accounts) to 
record dividends when they are declared.

To metaphorize, We need a hammer to hammer a nail and you're saying, "Sorry, 
that's just unnecessary, we have an axe, hold the head sideways and hit the 
nail with that. It should work!".

I am just wondering what others in the list thinks of this issue. Should we 
work on it, or just let it be?


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 3:06 AM, John Ralls  wrote:

> Justin,
>
> Sorry, you're wrong on both points. GnuCash doesn't care about the dividend 
> payment, it's up to the user--i.e. you--to set up your Accounts correctly and 
> make the dividend payments with the right account. I've explained twice now 
> how to do that, I won't again. If you need an accounting program that handles 
> it automagically, GnuCash isn't the right solution for you.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
> > On Apr 16, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Justin Mathew mjus...@protonmail.com wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > > It's not a workaround, it's a choice. Either you close your books or you 
> > > don't. If you do then you close to a Retained Earnings account and all is 
> > > good. If you don't then GnuCash calculates your retained earnings for you 
> > > and all is good. At present if you mix the two then you get two "Retained 
> > > Earnings" lines in your report unless you name the account something 
> > > else. So don't mix them.
> >
> > I was referring to the use of 'Expense' accounts for dividend payments as 
> > workaround. Not the choice of closing or continuing the books which is of 
> > course a choice.
> > Anyway, I have spent enough time putting my point across. Let me summarize 
> > what Frank and I meant in two bullet points.
> > a) 'Retained Earnings' is your net income minus your dividends paid in 
> > general accounting terms. In GnuCash it means something else.
> > b) GnuCash doesn't handle the dividend payment the technically correct way. 
> > Dividends should decrease the equity and gets balanced out.
> > Only if b is fixed, can a be fixed. And no, this is not just pedantry! I 
> > wish you can see the seriousness in this issue.
> > If it's a bug, users can wait for the fix in the next release, but if it's 
> > a flaw in design which isn't acknowledged, there is little that users can 
> > do.
> > Thank you all. I know you'll do what's good for the software.
> >
> > -
> >
> > Regards,
> > Justin Mathew
> > mjus...@protonmail.com
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> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:28 AM, John Ralls jra...@ceridwen.us wrote:
> >
> > > Justin,
> > > It's not a workaround, it's a choice. 

Re: [GNC] Transaction Report with ver.3.5 not working?

[Denis]

Thanks for your comments I will fill a bug report.
After testing different approachs, checking preferences, and since all
sorting keys are working just fine EXCEPT the month, it's to me obvious that
there is a bug.

I want to thank everybody for their comments. You were a precious help.

Denis
 



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Re: [GNC] Credits and Debits

[AEG via gnucash-user]

When entering transactions I just remember that money moves from right to
left.

Colin

Whilst that is true and the arrangement of named columns in GnuCash serves
as a reminder, it is still necessary for the user to decide on which account
row of the relevant column to enter transaction amounts, and that is where
the problem lies.

Alan


On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 07:19, AEG via gnucash-user
gnucash-user@ wrote:
>
> The concept of Credits and Debits confuses most newcomers to GnuCash (it
> did
> me), so I devised a way to remember which goes where.
> Given that transactions involve the movement of money from one account to
> another...
>
> (C)redits belong to the (C)ontributing accounts.
> (D)ebits belong to the (D)estination accounts.
>
> It has always worked for me.
>
> Alan
>
>



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Re: [GNC] Debian Files for GnuCash 3.4-x

[stephen.m.butler51]

Interesting.   I'm on the way to the Oregon coast for the rest of the week.  
These were built for Trusty so may be too old for Buster.Can you build from 
source?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: boldstripe  
Date: 4/16/19  10:58  (GMT-08:00) To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org Subject: Re: 
[GNC] Debian Files for GnuCash 3.4-x Thank you, I appreciate your work on 
this.I am on Debian Buster (testing) with current updates applied.When I try to 
install 3.5 from your files with apt, it fails, with thefollowing 
messages:boldstripe@thinkpad-debian:~/Downloads/gnucash_3.5$ 
lsgnucash_3.5_amd64.deb  gnucash-common_3.5_all.deb 
python3-gnucash_3.5_amd64.debboldstripe@thinkpad-debian:~/Downloads/gnucash_3.5$
 sudo apt install./*gnucash*.deb [sudo] password for boldstripe: Reading 
package lists... DoneBuilding dependency tree   Reading state 
information... DoneNote, selecting 'gnucash' instead of 
'./gnucash_3.5_amd64.deb'Note, selecting 'gnucash-common' instead of 
'./gnucash-common_3.5_all.deb'Note, selecting 'python3-gnucash' instead 
of'./python3-gnucash_3.5_amd64.deb'Some packages could not be installed. This 
may mean that you haverequested an impossible situation or if you are using the 
unstabledistribution that some required packages have not yet been createdor 
been moved out of Incoming.The following information may help to resolve the 
situation:The following packages have unmet dependencies: gnucash : Depends: 
libboost-date-time1.65.1 but it is not installable   Depends: 
libboost-filesystem1.65.1 but it is not installable   Depends: 
libboost-locale1.65.1 but it is not installable   Depends: 
libboost-regex1.65.1 but it is not installable   Depends: 
libboost-system1.65.1 but it is not installable   Depends: libicu60 (>= 
60.1-1~) but it is not installable   Depends: libpython3.6 (>= 3.6.5) 
but it is not installable   Recommends: pythone3-gnucash but it is not 
installable python3-gnucash : Depends: libpython3.6 (>= 3.6.5) but it is 
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Re: [GNC] Debian Files for GnuCash 3.4-x

[boldstripe]

And if I uninstall old gnucash first (as described in an older message above)
then try to install the three items separately, I get the same errors about
libboost and libpython dependencies.



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Re: [GNC] Equity Calculation on the Balance Sheet

[Adrien Monteleone]

I work from home and am very flexible. Sometimes I don’t get on the list for a 
few weeks at a time though. Afraid I’m stumped at the moment then. If I find 
something else to test, I’ll pass it on. It may be time for a bug report.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Tom Balaban  wrote:
> 
> Again thanks Adrien.
> 
> I don't know how you get any of your own work done given the amount of 
> support you give all of us. It's greatly appreciated.
> 
> Still no joy. The account tree shows no sub-accounts for Accounts Receivable 
> and Accounts Payable. I reran the Balance Sheet with "show Hidden Accounts" 
> ticked and "Levels of Subaccounts" set to "All" and it looks the same. No new 
> lines were added and the AP amount is still the same wrong amount.


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Re: [GNC] Equity Calculation on the Balance Sheet

[Tom Balaban]

Again thanks Adrien.

I don't know how you get any of your own work done given the amount of 
support you give all of us. It's greatly appreciated.


Still no joy. The account tree shows no sub-accounts for Accounts 
Receivable and Accounts Payable. I reran the Balance Sheet with "show 
Hidden Accounts" ticked and "Levels of Subaccounts" set to "All" and it 
looks the same. No new lines were added and the AP amount is still the 
same wrong amount.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adrien Monteleone" 
To: "Gnucash Users" 
Sent: 4/16/2019 12:16:22 PM
Subject: Re: [GNC] Equity Calculation on the Balance Sheet


Playing around with my own Balance Sheet report, I was able to produce a 
situation where the AP line did not agree with the register or the Aging report.

I had to create the following conditions:

AP needs to have a sub-account with a balance. (so I just moved one of my 
‘other liability’ accounts there temporarily as a test)
Then I ran the Balance Sheet Report, and chose the following options:

Set Accounts > "Levels of Subaccounts" = 2 (or one less than the level of that 
AP subaccount - so that you only see AP, but not any subs in the report)
Set Display > "Parent account balances:" = Subtotal

Then apply.

This gave me a Balance Sheet with an AP line that was more than my AP register 
and more than my AP Aging report, because it rolled up the sub-account into the 
total but I hid that sub-account from view. Clicking the AP account link takes 
me to it’s register, which has a lower balance than the report.

You might want to set, as a test, the “Levels of Subaccounts” to ‘all’ 
temporarily to see if there are any not usually visible causing this problem.

Finally, for good measure, make sure that only ONE of your liability accounts 
is of *type* Accounts Payable. (only one can be, and it has to be named 
‘Accounts Payable’) You can have plenty of ‘other AP’ accounts, even as 
children of the main AP account, but they have to be of the general liability 
type or some other liability type. The AR and AP types are special and are only 
to be used by the special Business Feature accounts.

Regards,
Adrien


 On Apr 16, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Tom Balaban  wrote:

 Hi Adrien,

 Thanks for that explanation.

 On the issue of different amounts in the BS and the aged payables, I don't 
know where to go to get this resolved.

 The Aged Payables report show $83.65, The bottom of the AP ledger shows 
$83.65. There are no unmatched lots in the AP ledger. Since we are a seasonable 
business there have been no changes yet this year so the dates are not an 
issue. Still the BS shows $465.75. AR is OK.

 Any thoughts on how to track this down will be greatly appreciated,

 Tom

 -- Original Message --
 From: "Adrien Monteleone" 
 To: "Gnucash Users" 
 Sent: 4/15/2019 11:26:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [GNC] Equity Calculation on the Balance Sheet


 Tom,

 Strange that the AR/AP numbers would be different on those two reports. 
Perhaps it is a date issue on the Aging reports. Make sure they would end on 
the same day you are running the balance sheet for. The only thing I can think 
of that might cause this would be bills and invoices that are posted to dates 
beyond the Balance Sheet date and those aging reports are set to include them. 
(the Balance Sheet won’t of course, because their date hasn’t arrived) If the 
Balance Sheet is set for a date beyond all posted invoices and bills and so 
your aging reports are ’thru’ the same date, then I’m not sure where the 
problem lies.

 Retained Earnings/Losses is a friendly shortcut of GnuCash so you don’t have 
to ‘Close the Books’ each year to get that figure. (this is the computer age 
after all)

 In this case, the net of Income-Expenses is a loss for now.

 If you’d rather have an actual Equity account where you record Retained 
Earnings/Losses, then as of the date for each end of year, perform the close 
books procedure. (or close all income and expense accounts to that account 
manually)

 The reason your Balance Sheet is showing a different number than Net Income 
YTD is that the Balance Sheet is ‘for all time’ not just this year. So 
effectively, you are only $38.61 from becoming profitable since you opened the 
books in GnuCash.

 Essentially, this wouldn’t change if you used an actual Equity account here. It would show 
"Equity:Retained Earnings" as "-$38.61".

 Regards,
 Adrien


 On Apr 15, 2019, at 9:20 PM, Tom Balaban  wrote:

 For reasons that I haven't Yet figured out, AR and AP balances are often 
incorrect on my Balance Sheet but are correct on the Payables and Receivable 
Aging reports.

 This forces me to recast the Balance Sheet in a spreadsheet using the correct AP & AR 
balances. The math is basic but our company is on the cusp of profitability and I'm having 
problem with the Balance Sheet Report term "Retained Losses". Does this appear when 
we are not profitable and what does it change to when we are profitable, as I suspect we are 

Re: [GNC] Cannot retrieve quotes for some securities

[wendiallen via gnucash-user]

Renaming wperl.exe worked.  Thank you for the help.  Incidentally...  I tried
running exetype.bat (as an administrator), but I got an error concerning not
having permission to open perl.exe.  I'm guessing it was referring to
exetype not having the right privilege, but I didn't investigate further.  I
just switched to trying the renaming, which was successful.  Thanks again.



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Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

[Justin Mathew via gnucash-user]

Oh yes, it does!

As mentioned in my other email to John Ralls, the reason I started this thread 
in the dev mailing list is to figure out a fix for the software, at least for 
the next release.

And I am not sure how did this topic get divided into two threads.


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
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 wrote:

> Certainly,
>
> But it serves as a temporary workaround till then.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Apr 16, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Justin Mathew mjus...@protonmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > I understand that you would have two ‘Retained Earnings’ lines, one being 
> > > the actual account and the other being the calculated amount by GnuCash. 
> > > The sum of the two should be the true amount. This means you can’t submit 
> > > the report as-is, but you could certainly export to a spreadsheet for the 
> > > small modification first.
> >
> > Yes, and that is an unnecessary thing to do if we fix it right in GnuCash. 
> > Moreover two 'Retained Earnings' in a report doesn't seem right too. I find 
> > the fix I mentioned in my earlier mail to be better.
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Re: [GNC] Need help with a Savings account

[Colin Law]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 01:14, John Clark via gnucash-user
 wrote:
>
> Because these terms ‘never make sense’, as seen by this example. It is far 
> more simpler to just say, money coming in, on the left, money going out on 
> the right… or is the other way around...

Money moves from right to left, that is one of the immutable laws of
natrure (at least in the universe of Gnucash).

It may have been mentioned before but in Settings > Accounts there is
a checkbox, Use formal accounting labels.  If you clear that then the
headings on bank accounts say withdrawal and deposit, and on Credit
card accounts say Charge and Payment, which I find much easier to cope
with.

The reason we have so much trouble with the words debit and credit is
that we are used to seeing them on the bank statement and such like,
so we have got used to them apparently meaning the opposite of what
they really mean when looked at from our own point of view, rather
than the bank's.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] Credits and Debits

[Colin Law]

When entering transactions I just remember that money moves from right to left.

Colin

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 07:19, AEG via gnucash-user
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>
> The concept of Credits and Debits confuses most newcomers to GnuCash (it did
> me), so I devised a way to remember which goes where.
> Given that transactions involve the movement of money from one account to
> another...
>
> (C)redits belong to the (C)ontributing accounts.
> (D)ebits belong to the (D)estination accounts.
>
> It has always worked for me.
>
> Alan
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Re: [GNC] Debian Files for GnuCash 3.4-x

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 4/16/19 6:25 AM, boldstripe wrote:
> Are the Debian 3.5 packages available now? The link above is for the 3.4
> package.


This folder should have the 3.5 deb files: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=11gjnSIw9E8B8kOJ01DHQuEA83xidbw8E


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Re: [GNC] Equity Calculation on the Balance Sheet

[Tom Balaban]

Hi Adrien,

Thanks for that explanation.

On the issue of different amounts in the BS and the aged payables, I 
don't know where to go to get this resolved.


The Aged Payables report show $83.65, The bottom of the AP ledger shows 
$83.65. There are no unmatched lots in the AP ledger. Since we are a 
seasonable business there have been no changes yet this year so the 
dates are not an issue. Still the BS shows $465.75. AR is OK.


Any thoughts on how to track this down will be greatly appreciated,

Tom

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From: "Adrien Monteleone" 
To: "Gnucash Users" 
Sent: 4/15/2019 11:26:14 PM
Subject: Re: [GNC] Equity Calculation on the Balance Sheet


Tom,

Strange that the AR/AP numbers would be different on those two reports. Perhaps 
it is a date issue on the Aging reports. Make sure they would end on the same 
day you are running the balance sheet for. The only thing I can think of that 
might cause this would be bills and invoices that are posted to dates beyond 
the Balance Sheet date and those aging reports are set to include them. (the 
Balance Sheet won’t of course, because their date hasn’t arrived) If the 
Balance Sheet is set for a date beyond all posted invoices and bills and so 
your aging reports are ’thru’ the same date, then I’m not sure where the 
problem lies.

Retained Earnings/Losses is a friendly shortcut of GnuCash so you don’t have to 
‘Close the Books’ each year to get that figure. (this is the computer age after 
all)

In this case, the net of Income-Expenses is a loss for now.

If you’d rather have an actual Equity account where you record Retained 
Earnings/Losses, then as of the date for each end of year, perform the close 
books procedure. (or close all income and expense accounts to that account 
manually)

The reason your Balance Sheet is showing a different number than Net Income YTD 
is that the Balance Sheet is ‘for all time’ not just this year. So effectively, 
you are only $38.61 from becoming profitable since you opened the books in 
GnuCash.

Essentially, this wouldn’t change if you used an actual Equity account here. It would show 
"Equity:Retained Earnings" as "-$38.61".

Regards,
Adrien


 On Apr 15, 2019, at 9:20 PM, Tom Balaban  wrote:

 For reasons that I haven't Yet figured out, AR and AP balances are often 
incorrect on my Balance Sheet but are correct on the Payables and Receivable 
Aging reports.

 This forces me to recast the Balance Sheet in a spreadsheet using the correct AP & AR 
balances. The math is basic but our company is on the cusp of profitability and I'm having 
problem with the Balance Sheet Report term "Retained Losses". Does this appear when 
we are not profitable and what does it change to when we are profitable, as I suspect we are 
beginning last month?

 I much prefer using Retained Earnings with a negative number to present accumulated 
losses and my recollection of how the Equity portion is structured is something like 
the following"

 Equity
 Equity
Retained Earnings {based on Fiscal year end}
 Income Y-T-D
 Total Equity

 FWIW, the Balance Sheet report shows Retained Losses of $38.61 but our P shows 
Y-T-D income as $1,246.95. I agree with the P but where does GC get the Retained 
Losses from?

 Thanks for reading.

 Tom



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Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

[Adrien Monteleone]

Certainly,

But it serves as a temporary workaround till then.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Justin Mathew  wrote:
> 
>> I understand that you would have two ‘Retained Earnings’ lines, one being 
>> the actual account and the other being the calculated amount by GnuCash. The 
>> sum of the two should be the true amount. This means you can’t submit the 
>> report as-is, but you could certainly export to a spreadsheet for the small 
>> modification first.
> 
> Yes, and that is an unnecessary thing to do if we fix it right in GnuCash. 
> Moreover two 'Retained Earnings' in a report doesn't seem right too. I find 
> the fix I mentioned in my earlier mail to be better.
> 
> 


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Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

[Justin Mathew via gnucash-user]

> I understand that you would have two ‘Retained Earnings’ lines, one being the 
> actual account and the other being the calculated amount by GnuCash. The sum 
> of the two should be the true amount. This means you can’t submit the report 
> as-is, but you could certainly export to a spreadsheet for the small 
> modification first.

Yes, and that is an unnecessary thing to do if we fix it right in GnuCash. 
Moreover two 'Retained Earnings' in a report doesn't seem right too. I find the 
fix I mentioned in my earlier mail to be better.


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 8:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:

> If you create an Equity:Retained Earnings account and debit it, while 
> crediting Dividends Payable (the formal method) does this not show up on the 
> Balance Sheet?
>
> I understand that you would have two ‘Retained Earnings’ lines, one being the 
> actual account and the other being the calculated amount by GnuCash. The sum 
> of the two should be the true amount. This means you can’t submit the report 
> as-is, but you could certainly export to a spreadsheet for the small 
> modification first.
>
> Of course, it would be nice if the report factored in an actual 
> Equity:Retained Earnings account to its calculation.
>
> There is an alternate practice of using a contra-equity account that is later 
> closed to Retained Earnings called “Dividends Declared” or simply 
> “Dividends”. I don’t see much advantage to it since you still have a 
> liability you can track either way.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Apr 16, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Justin Mathew via gnucash-user 
> > gnucash-user@gnucash.org wrote:
> > Christopher,
> >
> > > The "Retained Earnings" part of the Balance Sheet has nothing to do with 
> > > dividends.
> > > IIUC on the balance sheet date X, the retained earnings simply means the 
> > > total income up to date X, minus total expenses up to date X.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, the 'retained earnings' anywhere in accounting (not 
> > just in the balance sheet) should have everything to do with dividends. 
> > It's the accounting definition that 'Retained earnings' is the business' 
> > net income - cash/stock dividends.
> > The definition of 'total income minus total expenses' works only for sole 
> > proprietorships where the business isn't a legal entity in it's own right. 
> > A registered business, however small it is will have at least one 
> > shareholder. Most small businesses will have more than one from what I have 
> > seen.
> >
> > > From your description of 'owning a company with shares' / 'selling shares 
> > > of company' / 'issuing dividends' I honestly have no idea how the books 
> > > should look like, nor which chart of accounts should apply, nor whether 
> > > the GnuCash reports are appropriate to produce useful reports.
> >
> > Oh yes, GnuCash should be able fit in all business, because they all follow 
> > the same accounting principles. All we need to do is to calculate 'Retained 
> > Earnings' as per the standard accounting formula - it should account for 
> > dividends paid.
> > Understanding which transactions are dividends to account for is a problem.
> > Dividends are a decrease in equity and can't be recorded in an 'Expense' 
> > type account (although that's the current workaround and technically 
> > wrong). Therefore what I suggest is to create a dividend account type under 
> > equity (equity currently has only 1 type of account) which can be used to 
> > record dividend declarations. The value of this account can then be 
> > adjusted from total income. This will give us the real 'Retained Earnings'.
> > Note that: The corresponding journal entry for recording in dividend 
> > declaration account is 'dividend payable' (which is a liability account 
> > created by user). To record a dividend paid, a second record is created in 
> > 'dividend payable' against the journal 'current account' or 'cash account'.
> >
> > -
> >
> > Regards,
> > Justin Mathew
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Re: [GNC] Transaction Report with ver.3.5 not working?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Also, any time you get an error message in the future, including the text of 
that error message in your original post will assist anyone helping you with 
narrowing down the problem faster than the several back and forth exchanges 
already endured to get to this point.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Denis  wrote:
> 
> I may have found a problem with my "french" version of Gnucash ? It would be
> a question of date format maybe. (Date format: -mm-dd)
> 
> First, I can produce a complete list of all transactions for what ever dates
> I want.
> 
> Next, in the General Tab I can get transaction from 2017 until now.
> 
> Then in the sorting tab: daily, weekly, trimestriel, annual : will give me a
> nice report.
> 
> BUT if I hit MONTLY I always get an error message!!!
> 
> That, is just beyond me.
> 
> Denis


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Re: [GNC] Transaction Report with ver.3.5 not working?

[Christopher Lam]

Ok if there is a error message on a blank page then we want the
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile and a bug report in
https://bugs.gnucash.org/

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 14:35, Denis  wrote:

> I may have found a problem with my "french" version of Gnucash ? It would
> be
> a question of date format maybe. (Date format: -mm-dd)
>
> First, I can produce a complete list of all transactions for what ever
> dates
> I want.
>
> Next, in the General Tab I can get transaction from 2017 until now.
>
> Then in the sorting tab: daily, weekly, trimestriel, annual : will give me
> a
> nice report.
>
> BUT if I hit MONTLY I always get an error message!!!
>
> That, is just beyond me.
>
> Denis
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Transaction Report with ver.3.5 not working?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Be certain in your preferences under Date/Time that you have the proper locale 
set. And if you don’t mind, please report it back here. If there is a bug and 
it is known, someone might see the reference.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Denis  wrote:
> 
> I may have found a problem with my "french" version of Gnucash ? It would be
> a question of date format maybe. (Date format: -mm-dd)
> 
> First, I can produce a complete list of all transactions for what ever dates
> I want.
> 
> Next, in the General Tab I can get transaction from 2017 until now.
> 
> Then in the sorting tab: daily, weekly, trimestriel, annual : will give me a
> nice report.
> 
> BUT if I hit MONTLY I always get an error message!!!
> 
> That, is just beyond me.
> 
> Denis

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Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

[Adrien Monteleone]

If you create an Equity:Retained Earnings account and debit it, while crediting 
Dividends Payable (the formal method) does this not show up on the Balance 
Sheet?

I understand that you would have two ‘Retained Earnings’ lines, one being the 
actual account and the other being the calculated amount by GnuCash. The sum of 
the two should be the true amount. This means you can’t submit the report 
as-is, but you could certainly export to a spreadsheet for the small 
modification first.

Of course, it would be nice if the report factored in an actual Equity:Retained 
Earnings account to its calculation.

There is an alternate practice of using a contra-equity account that is later 
closed to Retained Earnings called “Dividends Declared” or simply “Dividends”. 
I don’t see much advantage to it since you still have a liability you can track 
either way.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Justin Mathew via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> Christopher,
> 
>> The "Retained Earnings" part of the Balance Sheet has nothing to do with 
>> dividends.
>> 
>> IIUC on the balance sheet date X, the retained earnings simply means the 
>> total income up to date X, minus total expenses up to date X.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, the 'retained earnings' anywhere in accounting (not just 
> in the balance sheet) should have everything to do with dividends. It's the 
> accounting definition that 'Retained earnings' is the business' net income - 
> cash/stock dividends.
> 
> The definition of 'total income minus total expenses' works only for sole 
> proprietorships where the business isn't a legal entity in it's own right. A 
> registered business, however small it is will have at least one shareholder. 
> Most small businesses will have more than one from what I have seen.
> 
>> From your description of 'owning a company with shares' / 'selling shares of 
>> company' / 'issuing dividends' I honestly have no idea how the books should 
>> look like, nor which chart of accounts should apply, nor whether the GnuCash 
>> reports are appropriate to produce useful reports.
> 
> Oh yes, GnuCash should be able fit in all business, because they all follow 
> the same accounting principles. All we need to do is to calculate 'Retained 
> Earnings' as per the standard accounting formula - it should account for 
> dividends paid.
> 
> Understanding which transactions are dividends to account for is a problem.
> 
> Dividends are a decrease in equity and can't be recorded in an 'Expense' type 
> account (although that's the current workaround and technically wrong). 
> Therefore what I suggest is to create a dividend account type under equity 
> (equity currently has only 1 type of account) which can be used to record 
> dividend declarations. The value of this account can then be adjusted from 
> total income. This will give us the real 'Retained Earnings'.
> 
> Note that: The corresponding journal entry for recording in dividend 
> declaration account is 'dividend payable' (which is a liability account 
> created by user). To record a dividend paid, a second record is created in 
> 'dividend payable' against the journal 'current account' or 'cash account'.
> 
> -
> Regards,
> Justin Mathew


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Re: [GNC] Transaction Report with ver.3.5 not working?

[Justin Mathew via gnucash-user]

I am not sure I understand.

> First, I can produce a complete list of all transactions for what ever dates
> I want.

How are your producing it? Do you mean opening an account register?

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 8:03 PM, Denis  wrote:

> I may have found a problem with my "french" version of Gnucash ? It would be
> a question of date format maybe. (Date format: -mm-dd)
>
> First, I can produce a complete list of all transactions for what ever dates
> I want.
>
> Next, in the General Tab I can get transaction from 2017 until now.
>
> Then in the sorting tab: daily, weekly, trimestriel, annual : will give me a
> nice report.
>
> BUT if I hit MONTLY I always get an error message!!!
>
> That, is just beyond me.
>
> Denis
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Transaction Report with ver.3.5 not working?

[Denis]

I may have found a problem with my "french" version of Gnucash ? It would be
a question of date format maybe. (Date format: -mm-dd)

First, I can produce a complete list of all transactions for what ever dates
I want.

Next, in the General Tab I can get transaction from 2017 until now.

Then in the sorting tab: daily, weekly, trimestriel, annual : will give me a
nice report.

BUT if I hit MONTLY I always get an error message!!!

That, is just beyond me.

Denis





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Re: [GNC] Cannot retrieve quotes for some securities

[John Ralls]

> On Apr 15, 2019, at 9:37 PM, wendiallen via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yahoo as JSON works.  Thank you.  One related question...  Since installing
> the additional software for online quotes, a command window pops up for a
> few seconds when GnuCash starts, as well as when I click "get quotes."  It's
> quite annoying.  Is there any way to suppress it?

Unfortunately it's built in to the way Perl--or any other command-line 
executable--works on Windows. To fix it you need to change perl.exe's 
"subsystem type" from "console" to "windows".

I'm not sure if Strawberry Perl has the code for that; look in C:\Strawberry 
Perl\bin for either perlw.exe, wperl.exe, or exetype.bat. if either of the 
first two are present just rename perl.exe to cperl.exe and (e.g.) wperl.exe to 
perl.exe. If not but exetype.bat is, then run:
  exetype.bat perl.exe windows.

If there's no exetype.bat you can get an exetype.pl that will do the same thing 
from CPAN,
  https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/perl/win32/bin/exetype.pl

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

[Justin Mathew via gnucash-user]

Christopher,

> The "Retained Earnings" part of the Balance Sheet has nothing to do with 
> dividends.
>
> IIUC on the balance sheet date X, the retained earnings simply means the 
> total income up to date X, minus total expenses up to date X.

Don't get me wrong, the 'retained earnings' anywhere in accounting (not just in 
the balance sheet) should have everything to do with dividends. It's the 
accounting definition that 'Retained earnings' is the business' net income - 
cash/stock dividends.

The definition of 'total income minus total expenses' works only for sole 
proprietorships where the business isn't a legal entity in it's own right. A 
registered business, however small it is will have at least one shareholder. 
Most small businesses will have more than one from what I have seen.

> From your description of 'owning a company with shares' / 'selling shares of 
> company' / 'issuing dividends' I honestly have no idea how the books should 
> look like, nor which chart of accounts should apply, nor whether the GnuCash 
> reports are appropriate to produce useful reports.

Oh yes, GnuCash should be able fit in all business, because they all follow the 
same accounting principles. All we need to do is to calculate 'Retained 
Earnings' as per the standard accounting formula - it should account for 
dividends paid.

Understanding which transactions are dividends to account for is a problem.

Dividends are a decrease in equity and can't be recorded in an 'Expense' type 
account (although that's the current workaround and technically wrong). 
Therefore what I suggest is to create a dividend account type under equity 
(equity currently has only 1 type of account) which can be used to record 
dividend declarations. The value of this account can then be adjusted from 
total income. This will give us the real 'Retained Earnings'.

Note that: The corresponding journal entry for recording in dividend 
declaration account is 'dividend payable' (which is a liability account created 
by user). To record a dividend paid, a second record is created in 'dividend 
payable' against the journal 'current account' or 'cash account'.

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 6:25 PM, Christopher Lam  
wrote:

> The "Retained Earnings" part of the Balance Sheet has nothing to do with 
> dividends.
>
> IIUC on the balance sheet date X, the retained earnings simply means the 
> total income up to date X, minus total expenses up to date X.
>
> If the books were 'closed' on date X, the income would be zeroed out 
> to Equity:Closing Transactions. This is what Retained Earnings mean to 
> reflect. They suit most sole traders / small businesses very well.
>
> From your description of 'owning a company with shares' / 'selling shares of 
> company' / 'issuing dividends' I honestly have no idea how the books should 
> look like, nor which chart of accounts should apply, nor whether the GnuCash 
> reports are appropriate to produce useful reports.
>
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 12:39, Justin Mathew via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
>
> > Maf,
> >
> > > you should keep replies on-list, others can contribute and maybe in the 
> > > future
> > > the thread can save a question being asked in the first place "reply 
> > > All"
> > > in your email client is a good way.
> >
> > Opps, I had read about it, but missed it in the heat of replying.
> > Will keep that mind henceforth.
> >
> > > Closing the books was important in paper days, not so much with digital
> > > accounts where the software can do everything quickly & repeatably., IMHO
> > > closing books isn't really needed any more, as long as you keep secure 
> > > backups
> > > & reports etc for traceablity over the years.
> >
> > Yes, I read this suggestion in gnu tutorial and concepts manual few hours 
> > ago infact. I am new to accounting to be honest. Just learning it with a 
> > fictitious company and transactions.
> >
> > > I have a part of the expenses tree that is something like "non-taxable". 
> > > so
> > > expenses:non-taxable:dividends or :corporationTax etc. Easy to exclude the
> > > whole branch from reports rather than ad-hoc accounts.
> >
> > And I didn't know that feature existed.
> >
> > > whereas your earlier reference says that dividends are paid from a 
> > > temproary
> > > equity account that reduces retained earnings. (sounds like an "expense"
> > > (english sense, not formal GAAP definition) to me, in that both sorts of
> > > payment reduce retained earnings - just that dividends are after the 
> > > profit &
> > > tax calcs are done)
> >
> > That's a good way to think. And I guess, this is the only workaround at the 
> > moment. It does 'sounds' like expense but I am not too sure to say that it 
> > 'is' expense.
> >
> > I don't know if I can call this a bug; but this isn't the technically 
> > correct behavior. GnuCash is intended to be used in accounting 

Re: [GNC] Debian Files for GnuCash 3.4-x

[boldstripe]

Are the Debian 3.5 packages available now? The link above is for the 3.4
package.



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Re: [GNC] Run GnuCash Upgrades Side-by-side With Older Versions

[Justin Mathew via gnucash-user]

Ah, well I couldn't get that point.

I guess the only way for OP is to try a virtual box if running both version is 
equally important.

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 6:27 PM, David Carlson  
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> The whole point of OP's asking this question is how to cope with the fact 
> that the 3.x series ruins Windows for using the 2.6.x series except 2.6.21, 
> but some features are permanently broken and can only be reverted at great 
> manual effort.
>
> That is why some of us are so slow to update.
>
> David Carlson
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 7:47 AM Justin Mathew  wrote:
>
>> Sorry, disregard my below email.
>>
>> Take a look at this -> https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable
>>
>> It also says, "GnuCash Portable can run from a cloud folder, external drive, 
>> or local folder without installing into Windows. It's even better with the 
>> PortableApps.com Platform for easy installs and automatic updates."
>>
>> Concerning the original post, if the installer explicitly tells you that you 
>> have to uninstall the older version, I don't think you can install two 
>> version of GnuCash in the same system.
>>
>> However, if it doesn't, then perhaps you can move your current old version 
>> to a different directory, and install the new version in the default 
>> directory. You can start GnuCash from both of these directories later.
>>
>> Please try this at your own risk. I don't use Windows anymore, so not sure 
>> if it'd work.
>>
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>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 6:10 PM, Justin Mathew  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For which platform?
>>>
>>>
>>> -
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>>>
>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:36 PM, David Carlson 
>>> david.carlson@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> > Are there instructions somewhere on how to run a portableapps session?
>>> > David Carlson
>>> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 3:30 AM Christopher Lam christopher@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > You can always run a portableapps session.
>>> > > On Mon., 15 Apr. 2019, 23:59 Greg Feneis, mfen...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Win 7-64, GnuCash 6.2.21
>>> > > > Hi Folks,
>>> > > > Is there a way to install a new version without uninstalling the old
>>> > > > version? The install wizard doesn't seem to let me select the install
>>> > > > location, while it appears to require uninstalling the old version 
>>> > > > before
>>> > > > installing the new version.
>>> > > > Currently, GnuCash resides at C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\
>>> > > > If I had a choice, I might like C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\6.2.21\
>>> > > > for
>>> > > > my current installation, and C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\3.5.1\ for
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > install I'm about to do, and so on.
>>> > > > Kind regards,
>>> > > > Greg Feneis
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Re: [GNC] Run GnuCash Upgrades Side-by-side With Older Versions

[David Carlson]

The whole point of OP's asking this question is how to cope with the fact
that the 3.x series ruins Windows for using the 2.6.x series except 2.6.21,
but some features are permanently broken and can only be reverted at great
manual effort.

That is why some of us are so slow to update.

David Carlson

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 7:47 AM Justin Mathew  wrote:

> Sorry, disregard my below email.
>
> Take a look at this ->
> https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable
>
> It also says, "GnuCash Portable can run from a cloud folder, external
> drive, or local folder without installing into Windows. It's even better
> with the PortableApps.com Platform for easy installs and automatic updates."
>
> Concerning the original post, if the installer explicitly tells you that
> you have to uninstall the older version, I don't think you can install two
> version of GnuCash in the same system.
>
> However, if it doesn't, then perhaps you can move your current old version
> to a different directory, and install the new version in the default
> directory. You can start GnuCash from both of these directories later.
>
> Please try this at your own risk. I don't use Windows anymore, so not sure
> if it'd work.
>
>
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> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 6:10 PM, Justin Mathew 
> wrote:
>
> > For which platform?
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> > Regards,
> > Justin Mathew
> > mjus...@protonmail.com
> >
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> >
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:36 PM, David Carlson
> david.carlson@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Are there instructions somewhere on how to run a portableapps session?
> > > David Carlson
> > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 3:30 AM Christopher Lam
> christopher@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > You can always run a portableapps session.
> > > > On Mon., 15 Apr. 2019, 23:59 Greg Feneis, mfen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Win 7-64, GnuCash 6.2.21
> > > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > > Is there a way to install a new version without uninstalling the
> old
> > > > > version? The install wizard doesn't seem to let me select the
> install
> > > > > location, while it appears to require uninstalling the old version
> before
> > > > > installing the new version.
> > > > > Currently, GnuCash resides at C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\
> > > > > If I had a choice, I might like C:\Program Files
> (x86)\gnucash\6.2.21\
> > > > > for
> > > > > my current installation, and C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\3.5.1\
> for
> > > > > the
> > > > > install I'm about to do, and so on.
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > Greg Feneis
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Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

[Christopher Lam]

The "Retained Earnings" part of the Balance Sheet has nothing to do with
dividends.

IIUC on the balance sheet date X, the retained earnings simply means the
total income up to date X, minus total expenses up to date X.

If the books were 'closed' on date X, the income would be zeroed
out to Equity:Closing Transactions. This is what Retained Earnings mean to
reflect. They suit most sole traders / small businesses very well.

From your description of 'owning a company with shares' / 'selling shares
of company' / 'issuing dividends' I honestly have no idea how the books
should look like, nor which chart of accounts should apply, nor whether the
GnuCash reports are appropriate to produce useful reports.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 12:39, Justin Mathew via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> Maf,
>
> > you should keep replies on-list, others can contribute and maybe in the
> future
> > the thread can save a question being asked in the first place "reply
> All"
> > in your email client is a good way.
>
> Opps, I had read about it, but missed it in the heat of replying.
> Will keep that mind henceforth.
>
> > Closing the books was important in paper days, not so much with digital
> > accounts where the software can do everything quickly & repeatably., IMHO
> > closing books isn't really needed any more, as long as you keep secure
> backups
> > & reports etc for traceablity over the years.
>
> Yes, I read this suggestion in gnu tutorial and concepts manual few hours
> ago infact. I am new to accounting to be honest. Just learning it with a
> fictitious company and transactions.
>
> > I have a part of the expenses tree that is something like "non-taxable".
> so
> > expenses:non-taxable:dividends or :corporationTax etc. Easy to exclude
> the
> > whole branch from reports rather than ad-hoc accounts.
>
> And I didn't know that feature existed.
>
> > whereas your earlier reference says that dividends are paid from a
> temproary
> > equity account that reduces retained earnings. (sounds like an "expense"
> > (english sense, not formal GAAP definition) to me, in that both sorts of
> > payment reduce retained earnings - just that dividends are after the
> profit &
> > tax calcs are done)
>
> That's a good way to think. And I guess, this is the only workaround at
> the moment. It does 'sounds' like expense but I am not too sure to say that
> it 'is' expense.
>
> I don't know if I can call this a bug; but this isn't the technically
> correct behavior. GnuCash is intended to be used in accounting spheres
> regulated by different govts and laws. And because of this, GnuCash should
> treat dividend payoffs in the standardized and technically correct way ie,
> a dividend declaration account that is a part of 'equity' which reduces the
> 'retained earnings' in reports.
>
> Anyway, let the more experienced development team make a call on this. I
> shall raise this with the dev team as well. I am alao copying this to
> gnucash-de...@gnucash.org. I am not a part of the dev mailing lists, but
> I guess this will reach them.
>
>
> -
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>
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> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:34 PM, Maf. King  wrote:
>
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> > you should keep replies on-list, others can contribute and maybe in the
> future
> > the thread can save a question being asked in the first place "reply
> All"
> > in your email client is a good way.
> >
> > I think it is a bit of a technical distinction, GAAP left over from the
> days
> > of paper books. Formally, expenses are a (set of ) temporary equity
> > account(s) that should be closed (or zeroed) to a retained earnings
> equity
> > account each year - to give a profit figure.
> >
> > whereas your earlier reference says that dividends are paid from a
> temproary
> > equity account that reduces retained earnings. (sounds like an "expense"
> > (english sense, not formal GAAP definition) to me, in that both sorts of
> > payment reduce retained earnings - just that dividends are after the
> profit &
> > tax calcs are done)
> >
> > Closing the books was important in paper days, not so much with digital
> > accounts where the software can do everything quickly & repeatably., IMHO
> > closing books isn't really needed any more, as long as you keep secure
> backups
> > & reports etc for traceablity over the years.
> >
> > I have a part of the expenses tree that is something like "non-taxable".
> so
> > expenses:non-taxable:dividends or :corporationTax etc. Easy to exclude
> the
> > whole branch from reports rather than ad-hoc accounts.
> >
> > If you think that it is a bug / sub-optimal behaviour, by all means
> submit a
> > bug report or RFE for the devs to comment on. They know far more than me
> > about the GC architecture decisions etc.
> >
> > Maf.
> >
> > On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 12:21:52 BST Justin Mathew wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, that seems to be the only way now. Gnucash 

Re: [GNC] Run GnuCash Upgrades Side-by-side With Older Versions

[Justin Mathew via gnucash-user]

Sorry, disregard my below email.

Take a look at this -> https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable

It also says, "GnuCash Portable can run from a cloud folder, external drive, or 
local folder without installing into Windows. It's even better with the 
PortableApps.com Platform for easy installs and automatic updates."

Concerning the original post, if the installer explicitly tells you that you 
have to uninstall the older version, I don't think you can install two version 
of GnuCash in the same system.

However, if it doesn't, then perhaps you can move your current old version to a 
different directory, and install the new version in the default directory. You 
can start GnuCash from both of these directories later.

Please try this at your own risk. I don't use Windows anymore, so not sure if 
it'd work.


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> For which platform?
>
>
> -
>
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>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:36 PM, David Carlson david.carlson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> > Are there instructions somewhere on how to run a portableapps session?
> > David Carlson
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 3:30 AM Christopher Lam christopher@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You can always run a portableapps session.
> > > On Mon., 15 Apr. 2019, 23:59 Greg Feneis, mfen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Win 7-64, GnuCash 6.2.21
> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > Is there a way to install a new version without uninstalling the old
> > > > version? The install wizard doesn't seem to let me select the install
> > > > location, while it appears to require uninstalling the old version 
> > > > before
> > > > installing the new version.
> > > > Currently, GnuCash resides at C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\
> > > > If I had a choice, I might like C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\6.2.21\
> > > > for
> > > > my current installation, and C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\3.5.1\ for
> > > > the
> > > > install I'm about to do, and so on.
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Greg Feneis
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash Price updating

[David Carlson]

Ronjnk,

Updating stock prices has never been as trivial as we wish it to be in
Gnucash.

It is necessary to decide which stocks we want to follow, then go through
several steps , including using the security editor for each one to define
what source to get the price from, using the price editor on each to choose
whether to include it in the update session,  setting up finance:quote
module with the configuration details to perform updates, and finally
manually starting the process whenever the prices are wanted.

Then it doesn't go smoothly so there is a tedious process to resolve
whatever part did not work as desired.

Even manually using the price editor to manually search through the list of
stocks and add selected prices one at a time is a major headache.

It is enough to drive a person to use a different program altogether to
track their stocks, and there are some out there.  Even a couple of free
ones that are far easier to use.
You could Google stock price trackers to see what you find.

I personally just get prices once a month or once a quarter in GnuCash,
and use a different program to track day to day so I can talk intelligently
with my broker.

GnuCash just doesn't track stocks as a feature.

David Carlson

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 5:12 AM ronjnk  wrote:

> Hello David,
>
> Just a final note. Again, thank you for your help. I'm going to give up
> at this point and update prices manually. I don't want to be going into
> the terminal to get my software to work. Much too complicated. I
> understand the developers count on a reliable price quote and when Yahoo
> changes on a whim, it ruins everything and drives the developers crazy.
> Gnucash is a fantastic program and I thank all developers who work on
> it. Hopefully on some future version, it will all work again as it has
> in the past. All the best!
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 04/11/2019 12:33 PM, David T. wrote:
> > You don’t tell us; are you using Yahoo! as your price source? Yahoo!
> dismembered its quote source website a while back, and GnuCash users have
> had to seek out other sources. One source is AlphaVantage, while another is
> “Yahoo! as JSON”. If you set up your accounts to use one of these
> (preferably the latter), do you still get the errors?
> >
> > Note: you will need Finance::Quote verson 1.47; if you want to use
> AlphaVantage, there are instructions on the wiki; I believe that the FAQ
> has links to the instructions.
> >
> > David
> >
> >> On Apr 10, 2019, at 6:08 PM, ronjnk  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello to all. I have GnuCash 2.6.15 installed on my MX18 and all works
> fine
> >> except the Get quotes price updater. I get an error message "There was
> an
> >> unknown error while retrieving the price quotes." I've toyed with this
> for
> >> hours and installed everything I could find on the net to no avail.
> >>
> >> I can see the finance quote module load at start up but I cannot get a
> box
> >> to show up to even change my data source. I am a user from long ago and
> the
> >> program is awesome and the price updater has worked in years past. This
> is a
> >> new computer and new OS install but I'v tried to confirm I have all
> modules
> >> installed and as far as I know, everything is in place but won't work.
> >>
> >> I also upgraded to a much newer version and not only didn't price
> updater
> >> not work, the new asset values was completely different from the older
> >> version. I lost money. So I uninstalled and went back to this older
> version.
> >> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I am manually updating about
> a
> >> dozen quotes.
> >>
> >> Thank you! Ron
> >>
> >>
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Re: [GNC] Need help with a Savings account

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 4/15/2019 6:11 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote:

Hi All,

Now that I am feeling brave coming off of creating a charge
card account, I decided to create a saving account.

My bank statement shows deposits as positive numbers and
withdrawals as negative numbers, so I decided to follow suite

Okay, I set the initial test balance to +100.  It shows in
balance as 100.  All is well so far.

Then I put 10 in the debit column of the account, meaning I
withdrew 10 from the account. 


STOP  ask yourself, are you trying to keep books from the point of 
view of yourself of from the point of view of the bank?

What is a positive for the bank is a negative for you and vice versa.

Increases to the account FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW are debits. Decreases 
are credits. That is because the type of account FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW 
is an asset. From the bank's point of view, it is a liability (they owe 
you the money in your account) so this is reversed.


We cannot tell if you were right about that "all is well so far" unless 
you tell us whether that was a $100 debit balance of a $100 credit balance.


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Re: [GNC] Run GnuCash Upgrades Side-by-side With Older Versions

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For which platform?


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> Are there instructions somewhere on how to run a portableapps session?
>
> David Carlson
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 3:30 AM Christopher Lam christopher@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> > You can always run a portableapps session.
> > On Mon., 15 Apr. 2019, 23:59 Greg Feneis, mfen...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Win 7-64, GnuCash 6.2.21
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > Is there a way to install a new version without uninstalling the old
> > > version? The install wizard doesn't seem to let me select the install
> > > location, while it appears to require uninstalling the old version before
> > > installing the new version.
> > > Currently, GnuCash resides at C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\
> > > If I had a choice, I might like C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\6.2.21\
> > > for
> > > my current installation, and C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\3.5.1\ for
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Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

[Justin Mathew via gnucash-user]

Maf,

> you should keep replies on-list, others can contribute and maybe in the future
> the thread can save a question being asked in the first place "reply All"
> in your email client is a good way.

Opps, I had read about it, but missed it in the heat of replying.
Will keep that mind henceforth.

> Closing the books was important in paper days, not so much with digital
> accounts where the software can do everything quickly & repeatably., IMHO
> closing books isn't really needed any more, as long as you keep secure backups
> & reports etc for traceablity over the years.

Yes, I read this suggestion in gnu tutorial and concepts manual few hours ago 
infact. I am new to accounting to be honest. Just learning it with a fictitious 
company and transactions.

> I have a part of the expenses tree that is something like "non-taxable". so
> expenses:non-taxable:dividends or :corporationTax etc. Easy to exclude the
> whole branch from reports rather than ad-hoc accounts.

And I didn't know that feature existed.

> whereas your earlier reference says that dividends are paid from a temproary
> equity account that reduces retained earnings. (sounds like an "expense"
> (english sense, not formal GAAP definition) to me, in that both sorts of
> payment reduce retained earnings - just that dividends are after the profit &
> tax calcs are done)

That's a good way to think. And I guess, this is the only workaround at the 
moment. It does 'sounds' like expense but I am not too sure to say that it 'is' 
expense.

I don't know if I can call this a bug; but this isn't the technically correct 
behavior. GnuCash is intended to be used in accounting spheres regulated by 
different govts and laws. And because of this, GnuCash should treat dividend 
payoffs in the standardized and technically correct way ie, a dividend 
declaration account that is a part of 'equity' which reduces the 'retained 
earnings' in reports.

Anyway, let the more experienced development team make a call on this. I shall 
raise this with the dev team as well. I am alao copying this to 
gnucash-de...@gnucash.org. I am not a part of the dev mailing lists, but I 
guess this will reach them.


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> Hi Justin,
>
> you should keep replies on-list, others can contribute and maybe in the future
> the thread can save a question being asked in the first place "reply All"
> in your email client is a good way.
>
> I think it is a bit of a technical distinction, GAAP left over from the days
> of paper books. Formally, expenses are a (set of ) temporary equity
> account(s) that should be closed (or zeroed) to a retained earnings equity
> account each year - to give a profit figure.
>
> whereas your earlier reference says that dividends are paid from a temproary
> equity account that reduces retained earnings. (sounds like an "expense"
> (english sense, not formal GAAP definition) to me, in that both sorts of
> payment reduce retained earnings - just that dividends are after the profit &
> tax calcs are done)
>
> Closing the books was important in paper days, not so much with digital
> accounts where the software can do everything quickly & repeatably., IMHO
> closing books isn't really needed any more, as long as you keep secure backups
> & reports etc for traceablity over the years.
>
> I have a part of the expenses tree that is something like "non-taxable". so
> expenses:non-taxable:dividends or :corporationTax etc. Easy to exclude the
> whole branch from reports rather than ad-hoc accounts.
>
> If you think that it is a bug / sub-optimal behaviour, by all means submit a
> bug report or RFE for the devs to comment on. They know far more than me
> about the GC architecture decisions etc.
>
> Maf.
>
> On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 12:21:52 BST Justin Mathew wrote:
>
> > Yes, that seems to be the only way now. Gnucash doesn't complain if we do
> > that way. And you're indeed lucky that you're accountant doesn't complain.
> > :)
> > To think from a larger perspective now, I think GnuCash should to handle
> > dividends the right way; primarily because dividend isn't technically an
> > expense of the business and marking it as an expense will only create
> > issues later (eg, inaccurate certain expense reports, wrong analytics,
> > etc.).
> > If this behavior isn't because of the way we (users) are doing it, shall I
> > notify in the development list to consider this as an error and correct it?
> >
> > -
> >
> > Regards,
> > Justin Mathew
> > mjus...@protonmail.com
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> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:42 PM, Maf. King m...@chilwell.net wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Justin,
> > > while it is contrary to the advice given in the link you supplied, I've
> > > always recorded dividend payouts as an Expense - but it is one of a
> > > handful that 

Re: [GNC] Run GnuCash Upgrades Side-by-side With Older Versions

[David Carlson]

Are there instructions somewhere on how to run a portableapps session?

David Carlson

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 3:30 AM Christopher Lam 
wrote:

> You can always run a portableapps session.
>
> On Mon., 15 Apr. 2019, 23:59 Greg Feneis,  wrote:
>
> > Win 7-64, GnuCash 6.2.21
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Is there a way to install a new version without uninstalling the old
> > version?  The install wizard doesn't seem to let me select the install
> > location, while it appears to require uninstalling the old version before
> > installing the new version.
> >
> > Currently, GnuCash resides at C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\
> >
> > If I had a choice, I might like C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\6.2.21\
> for
> > my current installation, and C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\3.5.1\ for
> the
> > install I'm about to do, and so on.
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

[Maf. King]

Hi Justin,

you should keep replies on-list, others can contribute and maybe in the future 
the thread can save a question being asked in the first place  "reply All" 
in your email client is a good way.

I think it is a bit of a technical distinction, GAAP left over from the days 
of paper books.   Formally, expenses are a (set of ) temporary equity 
account(s) that should be closed (or zeroed) to a retained earnings equity 
account each year - to give a profit figure.  

whereas your earlier reference says that dividends are paid from a temproary 
equity account that reduces retained earnings. (sounds like an "expense" 
(english sense, not formal GAAP definition) to me, in that both sorts of 
payment reduce retained earnings - just that dividends are after the profit & 
tax calcs are done)

Closing the books was important in paper days, not so much with digital 
accounts where the software can do everything quickly & repeatably., IMHO 
closing books isn't really needed any more, as long as you keep secure backups 
& reports etc for traceablity over the years.

I have a part of the expenses tree that is something like "non-taxable".   so 
expenses:non-taxable:dividends   or :corporationTax  etc.  Easy to exclude the 
whole branch from reports rather than ad-hoc accounts.

If you think that it is a bug / sub-optimal behaviour, by all means submit a 
bug report or RFE for the devs to comment on.  They know far more than me 
about the GC architecture decisions etc.

Maf.


On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 12:21:52 BST Justin Mathew wrote:
> Yes, that seems to be the only way now. Gnucash doesn't complain if we do
> that way. And you're indeed lucky that you're accountant doesn't complain.
> :)
> 
> To think from a larger perspective now, I think GnuCash should to handle
> dividends the right way; primarily because dividend isn't technically an
> expense of the business and marking it as an expense will only create
> issues later (eg, inaccurate certain expense reports, wrong analytics,
> etc.).
> 
> If this behavior isn't because of the way we (users) are doing it, shall I
> notify in the development list to consider this as an error and correct it?
> 
> 
> -
> Regards,
> Justin Mathew
> mjus...@protonmail.com
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> 
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:42 PM, Maf. King  wrote:
> > Hi Justin,
> > 
> > while it is contrary to the advice given in the link you supplied, I've
> > always recorded dividend payouts as an Expense - but it is one of a
> > handful that are excluded from the corporation tax calc, as they are
> > declared after tax / from profits.
> > 
> > My accountant has never complained - UK regs - YMMV, of course!
> > 
> > Maf.



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Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

[Maf. King]

Hi Justin,

while it is contrary to the advice given in the link you supplied, I've always 
recorded dividend payouts as an Expense  - but it is one of a handful that are 
excluded from the corporation tax calc, as they are declared after tax / from 
profits. 

My accountant has never complained - UK regs -  YMMV, of course!

Maf.



On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 11:49:41 BST Justin Mathew via gnucash-user wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to record cash dividend payoffs in gnucash. As per accounting
> basics, the 'Retained Earnings' is the company's net profit (minus
> dividends as well).
> 
> I also read this -
> https://www.double-entry-bookkeeping.com/capital/dividends/ which explained
> the same steps that I did. Or did I err somewhere?
> 
> Here is what I did.
> 
> When dividends are decided and calculated, I created a 'Dividend
> Declaration' account under 'Equity' and 'Dividend Payable' account under
> 'Liabilities'.
> 
> Then I made the entry of transaction of the amount of dividend to be paid to
> the shareholder in 'Dividend Declaration' against the corresponding account
> 'Dividend Payable'. The transactions are created in both the accounts. The
> total equity decreases creating a negative value in 'Dividend Declaration'
> account and total liability increases creating a positive value for
> 'Dividend Payable' account.
> 
> When the dividend is paid the the shareholder, the transaction is made in
> the account 'Dividend Payable' (this is the second transaction) against the
> corresponding asset account 'Current Account'. Naturally the money in the
> 'Current Account' decreases and the 'Dividend Payable' is now 0.
> 
> However, when I generate a balance sheet report, the 'Retained Earnings'
> doesn't reflect the dividend paid. It is supposed to subtract the dividend
> paid, but it doesn't.
> 
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[GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

[Justin Mathew via gnucash-user]

Hi,

I am trying to record cash dividend payoffs in gnucash. As per accounting 
basics, the 'Retained Earnings' is the company's net profit (minus dividends as 
well).

I also read this - https://www.double-entry-bookkeeping.com/capital/dividends/ 
which explained the same steps that I did. Or did I err somewhere?

Here is what I did.

When dividends are decided and calculated, I created a 'Dividend Declaration' 
account under 'Equity' and 'Dividend Payable' account under 'Liabilities'.

Then I made the entry of transaction of the amount of dividend to be paid to 
the shareholder in 'Dividend Declaration' against the corresponding account 
'Dividend Payable'. The transactions are created in both the accounts. The 
total equity decreases creating a negative value in 'Dividend Declaration' 
account and total liability increases creating a positive value for 'Dividend 
Payable' account.

When the dividend is paid the the shareholder, the transaction is made in the 
account 'Dividend Payable' (this is the second transaction) against the 
corresponding asset account 'Current Account'. Naturally the money in the 
'Current Account' decreases and the 'Dividend Payable' is now 0.

However, when I generate a balance sheet report, the 'Retained Earnings' 
doesn't reflect the dividend paid. It is supposed to subtract the dividend 
paid, but it doesn't.

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash Price updating

[ronjnk]

Hello David,

Just a final note. Again, thank you for your help. I'm going to give up 
at this point and update prices manually. I don't want to be going into 
the terminal to get my software to work. Much too complicated. I 
understand the developers count on a reliable price quote and when Yahoo 
changes on a whim, it ruins everything and drives the developers crazy. 
Gnucash is a fantastic program and I thank all developers who work on 
it. Hopefully on some future version, it will all work again as it has 
in the past. All the best!


Ron


On 04/11/2019 12:33 PM, David T. wrote:

You don’t tell us; are you using Yahoo! as your price source? Yahoo! 
dismembered its quote source website a while back, and GnuCash users have had 
to seek out other sources. One source is AlphaVantage, while another is “Yahoo! 
as JSON”. If you set up your accounts to use one of these (preferably the 
latter), do you still get the errors?

Note: you will need Finance::Quote verson 1.47; if you want to use 
AlphaVantage, there are instructions on the wiki; I believe that the FAQ has 
links to the instructions.

David


On Apr 10, 2019, at 6:08 PM, ronjnk  wrote:

Hello to all. I have GnuCash 2.6.15 installed on my MX18 and all works fine
except the Get quotes price updater. I get an error message "There was an
unknown error while retrieving the price quotes." I've toyed with this for
hours and installed everything I could find on the net to no avail.

I can see the finance quote module load at start up but I cannot get a box
to show up to even change my data source. I am a user from long ago and the
program is awesome and the price updater has worked in years past. This is a
new computer and new OS install but I'v tried to confirm I have all modules
installed and as far as I know, everything is in place but won't work.

I also upgraded to a much newer version and not only didn't price updater
not work, the new asset values was completely different from the older
version. I lost money. So I uninstalled and went back to this older version.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I am manually updating about a
dozen quotes.

Thank you! Ron



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Re: [GNC] Run GnuCash Upgrades Side-by-side With Older Versions

[Christopher Lam]

You can always run a portableapps session.

On Mon., 15 Apr. 2019, 23:59 Greg Feneis,  wrote:

> Win 7-64, GnuCash 6.2.21
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Is there a way to install a new version without uninstalling the old
> version?  The install wizard doesn't seem to let me select the install
> location, while it appears to require uninstalling the old version before
> installing the new version.
>
> Currently, GnuCash resides at C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\
>
> If I had a choice, I might like C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\6.2.21\ for
> my current installation, and C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\3.5.1\ for the
> install I'm about to do, and so on.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Greg Feneis
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Re: [GNC] Need help with a Savings account

[Fred Bone]

On 15 April 2019 at 15:43, ToddAndMargo said:

[...]
> So, when I deposit something to the bank, I am actually
> losing money (giving it to someone else), so it is a debit?

No, you are handing it to them, so they owe it back. That's what "debit" 
means, after all.

> So I should switch my opening balance to a negative number?

Possibly. It rather depends on whether your account was overdrawn when 
you started your current books.

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Re: [GNC] Run GnuCash Upgrades Side-by-side With Older Versions

[davidbrown.rdps]

I wonder if creating another windows account as a user/guest, doing an
install would allow that single user to be the benefit of that installed
programme.  Ther is sometimes the question during install whether for 1 user
or all users. 

 

It does also give the benefit of the local files in
"C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\GnuCash" and stored reports to be used
just for the associated main GNU file.

 

David Brown

 

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
 On
Behalf Of David Carlson
Sent: 15 April 2019 18:38
To: Greg Feneis 
Cc: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Run GnuCash Upgrades Side-by-side With Older Versions

 

Greg,

 

The only way I know is to use two different computers and two different data
files.

 

David Carlson

 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 11:00 AM Greg Feneis < 
mfen...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

> Win 7-64, GnuCash 6.2.21

> 

> Hi Folks,

> 

> Is there a way to install a new version without uninstalling the old 

> version?  The install wizard doesn't seem to let me select the install 

> location, while it appears to require uninstalling the old version 

> before installing the new version.

> 

> Currently, GnuCash resides at C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\

> 

> If I had a choice, I might like C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\6.2.21\ 

> for my current installation, and C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\3.5.1\ 

> for the install I'm about to do, and so on.

> 

> 

> Kind regards,

> 

> Greg Feneis

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Re: [GNC] Cannot retrieve quotes for some securities

[Erik Colson]

David T. via gnucash-user  writes:

> Alphavantage implemented limits on the number of quotes that can be retrieved 
> at a time. This was discussed some months back, with suggestions on different 
> remedies.
>
> Changing the source to "Yahoo as json" is one of those solutions. Editing the 
> perl in Finance::Quote to add a time delay was another. YMMV.

Or using Finance::Quote from the master branch on github where
Alphavantage module has been updated to follow limits imposed by the
site.

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[GNC] Credits and Debits

[AEG via gnucash-user]

The concept of Credits and Debits confuses most newcomers to GnuCash (it did
me), so I devised a way to remember which goes where.
Given that transactions involve the movement of money from one account to
another...

(C)redits belong to the (C)ontributing accounts. 
(D)ebits belong to the (D)estination accounts.

It has always worked for me.

Alan



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