Re: [GNC] how to search

[David Carlson]

In my case, if I let GnuCash OFX import with Bayesian matching do the
matching unsupervised it often applies payments to an incorrect expense
account rather than Imbalance-xxx, but that is mostly with a certain bank
that I do a lot of business with..

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:21 PM Greg Feneis  wrote:

> Another source of imbalance is if the user imports downloaded data from
> their FI and the matcher hasn't found a match for the transaction and the
> user accepts all of the new transactions without correcting.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Greg Feneis 
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:44 AM Glenn Fowler  wrote:
>
>> To add to this here are the user list archives:
>> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/
>>
>> Info on searching the archives:
>> https://lists.gnucash.org/search/?idxinfo=gnucash-user
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 9:21 AM David Carlson > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > A small addendum to Derek's comments:
>> >
>> > When in the GnuCash program hit F1 to see the help manual.
>> >
>> > Also, on the website are links to both the help manual <
>> > https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=help>l and  the
>> > Tutorial and Concepts Guide <
>> > https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=guide>
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:27 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Billie,
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, June 3, 2021 7:50 am, Billie-Internet wrote:
>> > > > Good Morning,
>> > > > I have been using gnucash since 1/1/2021 and I am frustrated with
>> split
>> > > > transactions and unbalance account.
>> > >
>> > > The Imbalance account gets created when you *enter* an imbalanced
>> > > transaction.  This happens when you, um, hit the *enter* key.  If
>> you're
>> > > creating a split transaction then you should not hit the enter key
>> until
>> > > you are absolutely done will all the splits.
>> > >
>> > > The GnuCash Guide documentation goes through a very detailed,
>> > step-by-step
>> > > instruction on how to enter a split transaction.  I highly recommend
>> you
>> > > read the docs.
>> > >
>> > > > Now, I could rip gnucash out of my computer and stomp it to death
>> but I
>> > > > have 6 months worth of data it in.
>> > > > I have spent 2 days trying to search for answers and I am amazed
>> that
>> > so
>> > > > many smart people that can write this program can't do a better job
>> of
>> > > > "support"  or finding an answer.
>> > >
>> > > Maybe the issue is not asking the right question?  Even here, in this
>> > > email, you don't actually say WHAT your issue is, so I'm only
>> guessing.
>> > >
>> > > > Could someone please send me a link on how to seach the mail
>> lists.  A
>> > > > link
>> > > > that is understandable to the non-computer-geek-normal-user.
>> > >
>> > > Go to www.google.com and search for:
>> > >
>> > >   site:lists.gnucash.org 
>> > >
>> > > > Better than that, someone share a link on where someone can be
>> hired to
>> > > > just fix the problem!
>> > >
>> > > You don't actually state what your problem is...
>> > >
>> > > > Thanks.
>> > > > Frustrated,--
>> > > > Billie
>> > > > 706-383-9057
>> > >
>> > > Good Luck,
>> > >
>> > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>> > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>> > >
>> > > -derek
>> > >
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Re: [GNC] how to search

[Greg Feneis]

Another source of imbalance is if the user imports downloaded data from
their FI and the matcher hasn't found a match for the transaction and the
user accepts all of the new transactions without correcting.






Kind regards,

Greg Feneis 




On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:44 AM Glenn Fowler  wrote:

> To add to this here are the user list archives:
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/
>
> Info on searching the archives:
> https://lists.gnucash.org/search/?idxinfo=gnucash-user
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 9:21 AM David Carlson 
> wrote:
>
> > A small addendum to Derek's comments:
> >
> > When in the GnuCash program hit F1 to see the help manual.
> >
> > Also, on the website are links to both the help manual <
> > https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=help>l and  the
> > Tutorial and Concepts Guide <
> > https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=guide>
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:27 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Billie,
> > >
> > > On Thu, June 3, 2021 7:50 am, Billie-Internet wrote:
> > > > Good Morning,
> > > > I have been using gnucash since 1/1/2021 and I am frustrated with
> split
> > > > transactions and unbalance account.
> > >
> > > The Imbalance account gets created when you *enter* an imbalanced
> > > transaction.  This happens when you, um, hit the *enter* key.  If
> you're
> > > creating a split transaction then you should not hit the enter key
> until
> > > you are absolutely done will all the splits.
> > >
> > > The GnuCash Guide documentation goes through a very detailed,
> > step-by-step
> > > instruction on how to enter a split transaction.  I highly recommend
> you
> > > read the docs.
> > >
> > > > Now, I could rip gnucash out of my computer and stomp it to death
> but I
> > > > have 6 months worth of data it in.
> > > > I have spent 2 days trying to search for answers and I am amazed that
> > so
> > > > many smart people that can write this program can't do a better job
> of
> > > > "support"  or finding an answer.
> > >
> > > Maybe the issue is not asking the right question?  Even here, in this
> > > email, you don't actually say WHAT your issue is, so I'm only guessing.
> > >
> > > > Could someone please send me a link on how to seach the mail lists.
> A
> > > > link
> > > > that is understandable to the non-computer-geek-normal-user.
> > >
> > > Go to www.google.com and search for:
> > >
> > >   site:lists.gnucash.org 
> > >
> > > > Better than that, someone share a link on where someone can be hired
> to
> > > > just fix the problem!
> > >
> > > You don't actually state what your problem is...
> > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Frustrated,--
> > > > Billie
> > > > 706-383-9057
> > >
> > > Good Luck,
> > >
> > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
> > >
> > > -derek
> > >
> > > --
> > >Derek Atkins 617-623-3745
> > >de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com
> > >Computer and Internet Security Consultant
> > >
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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[nvsoar]

On 06/03/21 11:14, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:



The only problem I have is that it is far too easy (IMO, IME!) to
accidentally create or use Orphan-* and Imbalance-* accounts just by
hitting the tab key one time too many. I'd prefer to be able to set an
option to disable that and to force me to balance the transaction
before leaving it.


You mean by (on the fly) creating an account with a name like 
"Imbalance" (or "Not-yet-assigned") to serve as a placeholder for when 
you don't know where it should go? That anything in there means an 
issue yet to be addressed? Gee, gnucash comes with that built in.


I know if the ONLY books you are keeping under gnucash are informal 
personal books, you might think it easy to just "create an account" on 
the fly. But some of us are keeping more formal books and might need 
to consult with somebody before making that decision. Sometimes it was 
as simple as getting an answer to "what was that item?" in a packet of 
receipts submitted for reimbursements.  Maybe need to get the 
accountant involved, maybe the board of directors, or the owner(s) of 
a business.


Note that "Imbalance"isn't the only sort of special account used to 
hold amounts until resolved. Many. if not most businesses have a 
"Suspense" account used when a payment comes in without necessary 
information to determine "what for". Then somebody's job to resolve 
everything in suspense. Businesses that do not ordinarily handle cash 
(and so not making daily bank deposits) might have an "undeposited 
cash" account to deal with rare cash situations.


Michael D Novack
Roger that.  I use a 'Pending Exchange' account when I haven't  yet 
figured out the situation at hand.
Many thanks and blessings to all who contribute to the health of 
GnuCash.  nvsoar

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[Michael or Penny Novack]

The only problem I have is that it is far too easy (IMO, IME!) to
accidentally create or use Orphan-* and Imbalance-* accounts just by
hitting the tab key one time too many. I'd prefer to be able to set an
option to disable that and to force me to balance the transaction
before leaving it.


You mean by (on the fly) creating an account with a name like 
"Imbalance" (or "Not-yet-assigned") to serve as a placeholder for when 
you don't know where it should go? That anything in there means an issue 
yet to be addressed? Gee, gnucash comes with that built in.


I know if the ONLY books you are keeping under gnucash are informal 
personal books, you might think it easy to just "create an account" on 
the fly. But some of us are keeping more formal books and might need to 
consult with somebody before making that decision. Sometimes it was as 
simple as getting an answer to "what was that item?" in a packet of 
receipts submitted for reimbursements.  Maybe need to get the accountant 
involved, maybe the board of directors, or the owner(s) of a business.


Note that "Imbalance"isn't the only sort of special account used to hold 
amounts until resolved. Many. if not most businesses have a "Suspense" 
account used when a payment comes in without necessary information to 
determine "what for". Then somebody's job to resolve everything in 
suspense. Businesses that do not ordinarily handle cash (and so not 
making daily bank deposits) might have an "undeposited cash" account to 
deal with rare cash situations.


Michael D Novack



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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[w...@theprescotts.com]

I concur. It seems like this is a too minor an issue to warrant the number of 
posts on the subject. But I guess people feel strongly about it.

Will

On 2021 Jun 3, at 06-03 10:11:22, David T. via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

Given how easy it is to correct these problems (i.e., change the Account in the 
erroneous entry from Imbalance-XXX to some other account and press enter), I 
don't see why we continue to beat upon this subject.

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

Maybe because for those new to GNC, like myself, it's not a very 
intuitive process and is easy to screw up.
After two months I still muck it up from time to time especially when 
I'm trying to modify a duplicated transaction that has splits.
I'm not complaining but providing an explanation to your "I don't see 
why we continue to beat upon this subject" comment.


On 6/3/21 11:11 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
Given how easy it is to correct these problems (i.e., change the 
Account in the erroneous entry from Imbalance-XXX to some other 
account and press enter), I don't see why we continue to beat upon 
this subject.


On 6/3/2021 10:12 AM, Adam Funk wrote:

On 2021-06-01, DaveC49 wrote:


Laura,

The reason Imbalance entries exist is that it is a fundamental 
principle in

double entry accounting that the sum of the debits and credits to the
various accounts that make up a transaction must be zero.

The Imbalance results if a user creates and saves a transaction in 
which
this is not true. GNuCash tries to force your hand on this. You will 
notice
that if you create a transaction in which the sum of the debits and 
credits
is not zero, GnuCash will open a new line with an amount which will 
balance
that sum with no account selected in the account column. If you 
select an
account to assign that imbalance to, then the transaction is then 
balanced.
If you do not and save the transaction without specifically 
assigning an
account to it, GnuCash will assign the amount by which the 
transaction is
unbalanced to an Imbalance account in the currency of the accounts. 
If the
transaction involves more than one currency it will be in the 
currency which

is imbalanced in the transaction.

The only problem I have is that it is far too easy (IMO, IME!) to
accidentally create or use Orphan-* and Imbalance-* accounts just by
hitting the tab key one time too many. I'd prefer to be able to set an
option to disable that and to force me to balance the transaction
before leaving it.

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Given how easy it is to correct these problems (i.e., change the Account 
in the erroneous entry from Imbalance-XXX to some other account and 
press enter), I don't see why we continue to beat upon this subject.


On 6/3/2021 10:12 AM, Adam Funk wrote:

On 2021-06-01, DaveC49 wrote:


Laura,

The reason Imbalance entries exist is that it is a fundamental principle in
double entry accounting that the sum of the debits and credits to the
various accounts that make up a transaction must be zero.

The Imbalance results if a user creates and saves a transaction in which
this is not true. GNuCash tries to force your hand on this. You will notice
that if you create a transaction in which the sum of the debits and credits
is not zero, GnuCash will open a new line with an amount which will balance
that sum with no account selected in the account column. If you select an
account to assign that imbalance to, then the transaction is then balanced.
If you do not and save the transaction without specifically assigning an
account to it, GnuCash will assign the amount by which the transaction is
unbalanced to an Imbalance account in the currency of the accounts. If the
transaction involves more than one currency it will be in the currency which
is imbalanced in the transaction.

The only problem I have is that it is far too easy (IMO, IME!) to
accidentally create or use Orphan-* and Imbalance-* accounts just by
hitting the tab key one time too many. I'd prefer to be able to set an
option to disable that and to force me to balance the transaction
before leaving it.

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Re: [GNC] WHY ARE THERE "IMBALANCE ENTRIES" AT ALL ?? JUST CURIOUS

[Adam Funk]

On 2021-06-01, DaveC49 wrote:

> Laura,
>
> The reason Imbalance entries exist is that it is a fundamental principle in
> double entry accounting that the sum of the debits and credits to the
> various accounts that make up a transaction must be zero.
>
> The Imbalance results if a user creates and saves a transaction in which
> this is not true. GNuCash tries to force your hand on this. You will notice
> that if you create a transaction in which the sum of the debits and credits
> is not zero, GnuCash will open a new line with an amount which will balance
> that sum with no account selected in the account column. If you select an
> account to assign that imbalance to, then the transaction is then balanced.
> If you do not and save the transaction without specifically assigning an
> account to it, GnuCash will assign the amount by which the transaction is
> unbalanced to an Imbalance account in the currency of the accounts. If the
> transaction involves more than one currency it will be in the currency which
> is imbalanced in the transaction.

The only problem I have is that it is far too easy (IMO, IME!) to
accidentally create or use Orphan-* and Imbalance-* accounts just by
hitting the tab key one time too many. I'd prefer to be able to set an
option to disable that and to force me to balance the transaction
before leaving it.

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Re: [GNC] how to search

[Glenn Fowler]

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On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 9:21 AM David Carlson 
wrote:

> A small addendum to Derek's comments:
>
> When in the GnuCash program hit F1 to see the help manual.
>
> Also, on the website are links to both the help manual <
> https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=help>l and  the
> Tutorial and Concepts Guide <
> https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=guide>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:27 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:
>
> > Hi Billie,
> >
> > On Thu, June 3, 2021 7:50 am, Billie-Internet wrote:
> > > Good Morning,
> > > I have been using gnucash since 1/1/2021 and I am frustrated with split
> > > transactions and unbalance account.
> >
> > The Imbalance account gets created when you *enter* an imbalanced
> > transaction.  This happens when you, um, hit the *enter* key.  If you're
> > creating a split transaction then you should not hit the enter key until
> > you are absolutely done will all the splits.
> >
> > The GnuCash Guide documentation goes through a very detailed,
> step-by-step
> > instruction on how to enter a split transaction.  I highly recommend you
> > read the docs.
> >
> > > Now, I could rip gnucash out of my computer and stomp it to death but I
> > > have 6 months worth of data it in.
> > > I have spent 2 days trying to search for answers and I am amazed that
> so
> > > many smart people that can write this program can't do a better job of
> > > "support"  or finding an answer.
> >
> > Maybe the issue is not asking the right question?  Even here, in this
> > email, you don't actually say WHAT your issue is, so I'm only guessing.
> >
> > > Could someone please send me a link on how to seach the mail lists.  A
> > > link
> > > that is understandable to the non-computer-geek-normal-user.
> >
> > Go to www.google.com and search for:
> >
> >   site:lists.gnucash.org 
> >
> > > Better than that, someone share a link on where someone can be hired to
> > > just fix the problem!
> >
> > You don't actually state what your problem is...
> >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Frustrated,--
> > > Billie
> > > 706-383-9057
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
> >
> > -derek
> >
> > --
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> >de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com
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Re: [GNC] how to search

[David Carlson]

A small addendum to Derek's comments:

When in the GnuCash program hit F1 to see the help manual.

Also, on the website are links to both the help manual <
https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=help>l and  the
Tutorial and Concepts Guide <
https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=guide>

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:27 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Hi Billie,
>
> On Thu, June 3, 2021 7:50 am, Billie-Internet wrote:
> > Good Morning,
> > I have been using gnucash since 1/1/2021 and I am frustrated with split
> > transactions and unbalance account.
>
> The Imbalance account gets created when you *enter* an imbalanced
> transaction.  This happens when you, um, hit the *enter* key.  If you're
> creating a split transaction then you should not hit the enter key until
> you are absolutely done will all the splits.
>
> The GnuCash Guide documentation goes through a very detailed, step-by-step
> instruction on how to enter a split transaction.  I highly recommend you
> read the docs.
>
> > Now, I could rip gnucash out of my computer and stomp it to death but I
> > have 6 months worth of data it in.
> > I have spent 2 days trying to search for answers and I am amazed that so
> > many smart people that can write this program can't do a better job of
> > "support"  or finding an answer.
>
> Maybe the issue is not asking the right question?  Even here, in this
> email, you don't actually say WHAT your issue is, so I'm only guessing.
>
> > Could someone please send me a link on how to seach the mail lists.  A
> > link
> > that is understandable to the non-computer-geek-normal-user.
>
> Go to www.google.com and search for:
>
>   site:lists.gnucash.org 
>
> > Better than that, someone share a link on where someone can be hired to
> > just fix the problem!
>
> You don't actually state what your problem is...
>
> > Thanks.
> > Frustrated,--
> > Billie
> > 706-383-9057
>
> Good Luck,
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Re: [GNC] how to search

[Derek Atkins]

Hi Billie,

On Thu, June 3, 2021 7:50 am, Billie-Internet wrote:
> Good Morning,
> I have been using gnucash since 1/1/2021 and I am frustrated with split
> transactions and unbalance account.

The Imbalance account gets created when you *enter* an imbalanced
transaction.  This happens when you, um, hit the *enter* key.  If you're
creating a split transaction then you should not hit the enter key until
you are absolutely done will all the splits.

The GnuCash Guide documentation goes through a very detailed, step-by-step
instruction on how to enter a split transaction.  I highly recommend you
read the docs.

> Now, I could rip gnucash out of my computer and stomp it to death but I
> have 6 months worth of data it in.
> I have spent 2 days trying to search for answers and I am amazed that so
> many smart people that can write this program can't do a better job of
> "support"  or finding an answer.

Maybe the issue is not asking the right question?  Even here, in this
email, you don't actually say WHAT your issue is, so I'm only guessing.

> Could someone please send me a link on how to seach the mail lists.  A
> link
> that is understandable to the non-computer-geek-normal-user.

Go to www.google.com and search for:

  site:lists.gnucash.org 

> Better than that, someone share a link on where someone can be hired to
> just fix the problem!

You don't actually state what your problem is...

> Thanks.
> Frustrated,--
> Billie
> 706-383-9057

Good Luck,

> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
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-derek

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[GNC] how to search

[Billie-Internet]

Good Morning,
I have been using gnucash since 1/1/2021 and I am frustrated with split
transactions and unbalance account.
Now, I could rip gnucash out of my computer and stomp it to death but I
have 6 months worth of data it in.
I have spent 2 days trying to search for answers and I am amazed that so
many smart people that can write this program can't do a better job of
"support"  or finding an answer.
Could someone please send me a link on how to seach the mail lists.  A link
that is understandable to the non-computer-geek-normal-user.
Better than that, someone share a link on where someone can be hired to
just fix the problem!
Thanks.
Frustrated,--
Billie
706-383-9057
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