Re: [GNC] getting price quotes

[Martin Booth via gnucash-user]

Hi Alan,
To update F::Q on windows
You would go to start menu and then to gnucash menu, in there you
should find update online quotes, this will update F::Q
However, I would recommend you update GC now to the latest version
4.12.
regards,
Martin






On Wed, 2022-11-30 at 16:07 +, aeg wrote:
> Hi Martin,
> 
> Thank you for your very helpful response.
> 
> I can confirm that I have a free Alpha Vantage API key setup in
> Preferences, which I assume is valid because when I tried to obtain a
> new one, (just in case that was the problem), Alpha Vantage confirmed
> that I already have one.
> 
> I'm using OS Windows 10 and GnuCash version 3.5.
> I haven't been aware of a Finance::Quote version, and didn't know
> where to look for it, but I've just discovered that it's 1.47 and
> presumably the problem, as you've indicated. Is that something I can
> update separately, or will I have to update to the current GC
> version?
> 
> The online quotes have previously been set to retrieve from
> Alphavantage, US, which worked without any hitches until early
> November (my last successful download was 4 November), so I guess
> that's around the time the rules changed. I've tried changing to
> Yahoo as JSON, but without success.
> 
> Regards,
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, 30 November 2022 at 09:05:01 GMT, Martin Booth
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> Hi Alan,
> I am also UK based and you need to check the following.
> 
> You have a valid free Alpha Vantage API key setup in preferences for
> on-line quotes
> 
> You have the latest on-line stock retrieval at least Finance::Quote:
> 1.53 otherwise your quotes will not download (this is probably the
> issue as Alpha Vantage changed the retrieval requirements and the
> F::Q needed an update.)
> 
> Check you have set your on-line quotes to retrieve from Yahoo as JSON
> in Security Editor for stock quotes. This works fine for me.
> 
> Then you should be fine.
> 
> You did not say which OS you are running or the GNU Cash version with
> F::Q version, therefore depending upon OS the updates to F::Q are
> different.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> regards,
> Martin
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, 30 November 2022 at 08:40:48 GMT, aeg via gnucash-user
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> It's interesting to note that Alpha Vantage is still recommended to
> GnuCash users and is available to some, as it stopped working for me
> a few weeks ago. When I contacted the Alpha Vantage Team, I was told
> that I needed to contribute to the premium plan, at a minimum cost of
> 49.99 USD per month, despite the fact that I've only been using the
> service once per week to retrieve 5 stock price updates. How are
> others still able to use the service free of charge?
> I'm based in the UK, so I'd be interested to know how other UK users
> obtain updates to their stock prices.
> Regards,AlanG
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:24:16 -0600
> From: R Losey 
> 
> 
> Alphavantage is now the default, and you have to get a free ID to use
> the
> service (there is information regarding how to acquire an ID).
> 
> Be aware, though -- Alphavantage adds a one-minute delay for each set
> of
> five stocks you update. (That is, five stocks will take seconds, but
> six
> stocks will take over a minute).
> 
> I changed to what David suggested for my stock updates. I would
> prefer to
> have Multiple, but not use Alphavantage, but that doesn't seem to be
> an
> option at present.
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Is there any way to remove all-filling the date?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 at 01:53, Derek Atkins  wrote:

> GnuCash will always re-select the last date you used to create a new
> transaction.  So if you are entering multiple transactions, when you open
> the register it will default to today.. Change that to 6 months ago and
> enter the transaction.  Then the *next* transaction (in that register)
> will default to that same date 6 months ago...
>
> If you close the register, then you'll lose that.
>
> The date does not carry over into another register.
>
> However, how many registers do you really NEED to open?  If you enter them
> from your asset or liability accounts, you don't need to open many.
>
> -derek


Thank you for the information. That means I will not as error prone as I
expected.

Dave
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Re: [GNC] Is there any way to remove all-filling the date?

[Derek Atkins]

GnuCash will always re-select the last date you used to create a new
transaction.  So if you are entering multiple transactions, when you open
the register it will default to today.. Change that to 6 months ago and
enter the transaction.  Then the *next* transaction (in that register)
will default to that same date 6 months ago...

If you close the register, then you'll lose that.

The date does not carry over into another register.

However, how many registers do you really NEED to open?  If you enter them
from your asset or liability accounts, you don't need to open many.

-derek

On Wed, November 30, 2022 8:41 pm, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> If one is entering a transaction the date defaults to today. That seems
> quite reasonable. However, if entering historical transactions, that date
> needs changing. It’s easy to overlook that, so a transaction made 6 months
> ago gets recorded today.
>
> Is there any way to stop GnuCash automatically selecting todays date, and
> so forcing one to select a date manually? I believe that would reduce the
> chances of errors when entering old transactions.
>
>
> --
> Dr. David Kirkby,
> Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
> drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
> https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
> Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100
>
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> Registered office:
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> United
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[GNC] Is there any way to remove all-filling the date?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

If one is entering a transaction the date defaults to today. That seems
quite reasonable. However, if entering historical transactions, that date
needs changing. It’s easy to overlook that, so a transaction made 6 months
ago gets recorded today.

Is there any way to stop GnuCash automatically selecting todays date, and
so forcing one to select a date manually? I believe that would reduce the
chances of errors when entering old transactions.


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Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

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Registered office:
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Kingdom
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Re: [GNC] How can I enter all fixed assets?

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 11/30/22 15:39, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

Having given this more consideration I think the following is my best bet.
Comments welcome, but I am not expecting to get definitive professional
advice.

I am considering to lump them all together under Assets -> Fixed Assets,
with an opening balance equal to the value at the start of the financial
year, taking into account the depreciation. That value is given to me by my
accountant.

This will mean that I can not work out the depreciation on an individual
item, but my accountant does that each year to submit the accounts. I pay a
professional to do that.

He can tell me at the end of the year how much the sum of all items have
depreciated, and I can just enter that sum once per year. He can also give
me the exact amount of depreciation on every item, but I will just ignore
that, and record the sum. He doesn’t normally give me the individual items
- only the sum. He did give them to me this year as I asked for them, but
normally he doesn’t give me a detailed breakdown.

In previous years my accountant has never expected me to work out the
depreciation - he does it once per year.

If I was inspected by HMRC, I doubt that they are going to quibble about
the fact I don’t know the depreciation of assets on a particular day. If
they do, my accountant would be able to supply them.

The HMRC website lists what is inspected of directors - I put a copy below.
It mentions “Details of assets owned by the company” but does not actually
define what details they are.

Does changing the total value once/year in GnuCash under

Assets -> Fixed assets

seem reasonable given that is all my accountant ever gives me?

Dave
Accounting records


Seems reasonable to me.  I would ask the CPA/Accountant if that 
satisfies the below that you referenced.

You must keep accounting records that include:

- all money received and spent by the company, including grants and
payments from coronavirus (COVID-19) support schemes


- details of assets owned by the company
- debts the company owes or is owed
- stock the company owns at the end of the financial year
- the stocktakings you used to work out the stock figure
- all goods bought and sold
- who you bought and sold them to and from (unless you run a retail
business)

You must also keep any other financial records, information and
calculations you need to prepare and file your annual accounts and Company
Tax Return
. This
includes records of:

- all money spent by the company, for example receipts, petty cash
books, orders and delivery notes
- all money received by the company, for example invoices, contracts,
sales books and till rolls
- any other relevant documents, for example bank statements and
correspondence




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Re: [GNC] getting price quotes

[R Losey]

Interesting; I just attempted to set this up a few weeks ago... I went to
their web site and signed up for the free ID code.

Maybe they check the IP address and it is not available in the UK? I hope
you will hear from others...

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 2:39 AM aeg via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

>  It's interesting to note that Alpha Vantage is still recommended to
> GnuCash users and is available to some, as it stopped working for me a few
> weeks ago. When I contacted the Alpha Vantage Team, I was told that I
> needed to contribute to the premium plan, at a minimum cost of 49.99 USD
> per month, despite the fact that I've only been using the service once per
> week to retrieve 5 stock price updates. How are others still able to use
> the service free of charge?
> I'm based in the UK, so I'd be interested to know how other UK users
> obtain updates to their stock prices.
> Regards,AlanG
>
>
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Re: [GNC] How can I enter all fixed assets?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

Having given this more consideration I think the following is my best bet.
Comments welcome, but I am not expecting to get definitive professional
advice.

I am considering to lump them all together under Assets -> Fixed Assets,
with an opening balance equal to the value at the start of the financial
year, taking into account the depreciation. That value is given to me by my
accountant.

This will mean that I can not work out the depreciation on an individual
item, but my accountant does that each year to submit the accounts. I pay a
professional to do that.

He can tell me at the end of the year how much the sum of all items have
depreciated, and I can just enter that sum once per year. He can also give
me the exact amount of depreciation on every item, but I will just ignore
that, and record the sum. He doesn’t normally give me the individual items
- only the sum. He did give them to me this year as I asked for them, but
normally he doesn’t give me a detailed breakdown.

In previous years my accountant has never expected me to work out the
depreciation - he does it once per year.

If I was inspected by HMRC, I doubt that they are going to quibble about
the fact I don’t know the depreciation of assets on a particular day. If
they do, my accountant would be able to supply them.

The HMRC website lists what is inspected of directors - I put a copy below.
It mentions “Details of assets owned by the company” but does not actually
define what details they are.

Does changing the total value once/year in GnuCash under

Assets -> Fixed assets

seem reasonable given that is all my accountant ever gives me?

Dave
Accounting records

You must keep accounting records that include:

   - all money received and spent by the company, including grants and
   payments from coronavirus (COVID-19) support schemes
   

   - details of assets owned by the company
   - debts the company owes or is owed
   - stock the company owns at the end of the financial year
   - the stocktakings you used to work out the stock figure
   - all goods bought and sold
   - who you bought and sold them to and from (unless you run a retail
   business)

You must also keep any other financial records, information and
calculations you need to prepare and file your annual accounts and Company
Tax Return
. This
includes records of:

   - all money spent by the company, for example receipts, petty cash
   books, orders and delivery notes
   - all money received by the company, for example invoices, contracts,
   sales books and till rolls
   - any other relevant documents, for example bank statements and
   correspondence

-- 
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom
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Re: [GNC] getting price quotes

[aeg via gnucash-user]

 Hi David,
Thank you for your detailed response, which is very helpful.I've tried updating 
the Finance::Quote as you suggested, but it appears that some prerequisites are 
missing, so I need to investigate how to install those, and will try again 
tomorrow if I have time. I've downloaded the latest version of Perl, and 
feeling my way with this.
You're right when you say that I ought to upgrade GC to the latest version, and 
I would normally have done that routinely through the versions, but I 
experienced substantial interface changes when I upgraded from 2.6 to 3.5, 
which took a significant amount of time and effort to resolve, so I've feared 
further trauma with subsequent updates and resisted installing them while the 
software has been working well. I will update as soon as I find the time to 
deal with any undesirable consequences!
Regards,Alan
On Wednesday, 30 November 2022 at 20:12:08 GMT, David H  
wrote:  
 
 You should find some Finance Quote Perl scripts (gnc-fq-check/update/etc) in 
"C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin". You can run these using Perl by opening a 
command prompt and entering for example perl "C:\Program Files 
(x86)\gnucash\bin\gnc-fq-check" - you need the quotes around the 
C:\..check as the path contains a space.  You can read all about it at 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes.  If your setup is good this will 
display something along the following lines  including the version - 1.5301 in 
my case...
perl "C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnc-fq-check"
("1.5301" "aex" "alphavantage" "amfiindia" "asegr" "asx" "aufunds" "australia" 
"bamosz" "bet" "bloomberg" "bourso" "bse" "bseindia" "canada" "canadamutual" 
"comdirect" "cse" "deka" "dutch" "dwsfunds" "europe" "fetch_live_currencies" 
"fidelity" "fidelity_direct" "finanzpartner" "fondsweb" "fool" "france" 
"ftfunds" "fundata" "fundlibrary" "goldmoney" "greece" "hu" "hufund" "hungary" 
"hustock" "iexcloud" "india" "indiamutual" "known_currencies" "morningstarau" 
"morningstarch" "morningstarjp" "mstaruk" "nasdaq" "nseindia" "nyse" "nzx" 
"onvista" "oslobors" "romania" "seb_funds" "six" "tesouro_direto" "tiaacref" 
"tmx" "tradeville" "treasurydirect" "troweprice" "troweprice_direct" "tsp" 
"ukfunds" "unionfunds" "usa" "yahoo_json" "za")

You can also run perl "C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnc-fq-update" to 
update your Finance Quote - this can take a few minutes, like 5 - 10, and quite 
a bit of scrolling :-)
Check your perl version by running "perl -v" in a command prompt - eg...
perl -v

This is perl 5, version 32, subversion 1 (v5.32.1) built for 
MSWin32-x86-multi-thread-64int

Copyright 1987-2021, Larry Wall

Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the
GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit.

Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on
this system using "man perl" or "perldoc perl".  If you have access to the
Internet, point your browser at http://www.perl.org/, the Perl Home Page.

You also mention you're running Gnucash 3.5 - this was released in April 2019 
by the look of things so is well out of date and we are now up to 4.12 with 
lots of bug fixes and enhancements in that time so I suggest the first thing 
you should be looking at is upgrading to the current version 4.12. I'm not sure 
but you may have to download 4.0 first and install that before you install 4.12 
as from memory there were some significant changes in 4.0 and it takes a little 
while on first opening your gnucash file with this version while it does things 
initially and can even look like it's hung? Do a google search on 
"site:lists.gnucash.org upgrade" if you want to research the upgrade details.
Cheers David H.  




  
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Re: [GNC] getting price quotes

[David H]

You should find some Finance Quote Perl scripts (gnc-fq-check/update/etc)
in "C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin". You can run these using Perl by
opening a command prompt and entering for example perl "C:\Program Files
(x86)\gnucash\bin\gnc-fq-check" - you need the quotes around the
C:\..check as the path contains a space.  You can read all about it
at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes.  If your setup is good this
will display something along the following lines  including the version -
1.5301 in my case...

perl "C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnc-fq-check"
("1.5301" "aex" "alphavantage" "amfiindia" "asegr" "asx" "aufunds"
"australia" "bamosz" "bet" "bloomberg" "bourso" "bse" "bseindia" "canada"
"canadamutual" "comdirect" "cse" "deka" "dutch" "dwsfunds" "europe"
"fetch_live_currencies" "fidelity" "fidelity_direct" "finanzpartner"
"fondsweb" "fool" "france" "ftfunds" "fundata" "fundlibrary" "goldmoney"
"greece" "hu" "hufund" "hungary" "hustock" "iexcloud" "india" "indiamutual"
"known_currencies" "morningstarau" "morningstarch" "morningstarjp"
"mstaruk" "nasdaq" "nseindia" "nyse" "nzx" "onvista" "oslobors" "romania"
"seb_funds" "six" "tesouro_direto" "tiaacref" "tmx" "tradeville"
"treasurydirect" "troweprice" "troweprice_direct" "tsp" "ukfunds"
"unionfunds" "usa" "yahoo_json" "za")

You can also run perl "C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnc-fq-update" to
update your Finance Quote - this can take a few minutes, like 5 - 10, and
quite a bit of scrolling :-)

Check your perl version by running "perl -v" in a command prompt - eg...

perl -v

This is perl 5, version 32, subversion 1 (v5.32.1) built for
MSWin32-x86-multi-thread-64int

Copyright 1987-2021, Larry Wall

Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or
the
GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit.

Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on
this system using "man perl" or "perldoc perl".  If you have access to the
Internet, point your browser at http://www.perl.org/, the Perl Home Page.

You also mention you're running Gnucash 3.5 - this was released in April
2019 by the look of things so is well out of date and we are now up to 4.12
with lots of bug fixes and enhancements in that time so I suggest the first
thing you should be looking at is upgrading to the current version 4.12.
I'm not sure but you may have to download 4.0 first and install that before
you install 4.12 as from memory there were some significant changes in 4.0
and it takes a little while on first opening your gnucash file with this
version while it does things initially and can even look like it's hung? Do
a google search on "site:lists.gnucash.org upgrade" if you want to research
the upgrade details.

Cheers David H.


On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 at 02:08, aeg via gnucash-user 
wrote:

>  Hi Martin,
> Thank you for your very helpful response.
> I can confirm that I have a free Alpha Vantage API key setup in
> Preferences, which I assume is valid because when I tried to obtain a new
> one, (just in case that was the problem), Alpha Vantage confirmed that I
> already have one.
> I'm using OS Windows 10 and GnuCash version 3.5.I haven't been aware of a
> Finance::Quote version, and didn't know where to look for it, but I've just
> discovered that it's 1.47 and presumably the problem, as you've indicated.
> Is that something I can update separately, or will I have to update to the
> current GC version?
> The online quotes have previously been set to retrieve from Alphavantage,
> US, which worked without any hitches until early November (my last
> successful download was 4 November), so I guess that's around the time the
> rules changed. I've tried changing to Yahoo as JSON, but without success.
> Regards,Alan
>
>
> On Wednesday, 30 November 2022 at 09:05:01 GMT, Martin Booth <
> mdj.bo...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>   Hi Alan,I am also UK based and you need to check the following.
> You have a valid free Alpha Vantage API key setup in preferences for
> on-line quotes
> You have the latest on-line stock retrieval at least Finance::Quote: 1.53
> otherwise your quotes will not download (this is probably the issue as
> Alpha Vantage changed the retrieval requirements and the F::Q needed an
> update.)
>
> Check you have set your on-line quotes to retrieve from Yahoo as JSON in
> Security Editor for stock quotes. This works fine for me.
>
> Then you should be fine.
> You did not say which OS you are running or the GNU Cash version with F::Q
> version, therefore depending upon OS the updates to F::Q are different.
> I hope this helps.
>
> regards,Martin
>
> On Wednesday, 30 November 2022 at 08:40:48 GMT, aeg via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>
>   It's interesting to note that Alpha Vantage is still recommended to
> GnuCash users and is available to some, as it stopped working for me a few
> weeks ago. When I contacted the Alpha Vantage Team, I was told that I
> 

Re: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: IRC: irc.gnome.org Alias Changed

[Adrien Monteleone]

Thanks Derek,

As you could see in the channel, that helped.

I notice I had changed the Network Name but not the server.

I now have them both as 'irc.gimp.org' and I'm now in the right channel.

For anyone else seeing this, I got a bit confused with the various 
aliases and the page on the Wiki.


The *server* name needs to be: irc.gimp.org

(in my particular client, that field is a drop down, which I didn't at 
first realize I could type in my own choice.)


Regards,
Adrien

p.s. - the strange thing is that when both the Network & Server name 
were set to irc.gnome.org, I was still in the right channel.(?!)


On 11/30/22 1:40 PM, Derek Atkins wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like you are still pointing to irc.gnome.org.

irc.gnome.org is an alias for irc.libera.chat.
irc.libera.chat has address 46.16.175.175
irc.libera.chat has address 51.89.226.78
irc.libera.chat has address 188.240.145.101
irc.libera.chat has IPv6 address 2001:41d0:801:1000::a44
irc.libera.chat has IPv6 address 2001:4b7a:a008::6667
irc.libera.chat has IPv6 address 2001:6b0:78::101

irc.gimp.net is an alias for irc.gimp.org.
irc.gimp.org has address 130.239.18.219
irc.gimp.org has address 54.39.222.199
irc.gimp.org has address 130.239.18.217
irc.gimp.org has address 51.15.53.172
irc.gimp.org has IPv6 address 2001:6b0:e:2018::219
irc.gimp.org has IPv6 address 2001:6b0:e:2018::217


irc.libera.chat and irc.gimp.org are different networks.  As you can see,
there is no overlap in Server IP Addresses.

Yes, I have gone to irc.libera.chat and registered #gnucash with them,
pointing them back to irc.gimp.org.  But all the traffic is still on
irc.gimp.org.


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Re: [GNC] can't create a transaction report

[Adrien Monteleone]

Do other reports work?

If so, the devs may be interested in why this one in particular doesn't.

Regards,
Adrien

On 11/30/22 9:55 AM, ph hermes wrote:

today, i started with my file and opened it from there. today i could
create a report, but when i went to look at it, i couldn't scroll and when
i tried to print it flipped me back to the options page.


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Re: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: IRC: irc.gnome.org Alias Changed

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

It sounds like you are still pointing to irc.gnome.org.

irc.gnome.org is an alias for irc.libera.chat.
irc.libera.chat has address 46.16.175.175
irc.libera.chat has address 51.89.226.78
irc.libera.chat has address 188.240.145.101
irc.libera.chat has IPv6 address 2001:41d0:801:1000::a44
irc.libera.chat has IPv6 address 2001:4b7a:a008::6667
irc.libera.chat has IPv6 address 2001:6b0:78::101

irc.gimp.net is an alias for irc.gimp.org.
irc.gimp.org has address 130.239.18.219
irc.gimp.org has address 54.39.222.199
irc.gimp.org has address 130.239.18.217
irc.gimp.org has address 51.15.53.172
irc.gimp.org has IPv6 address 2001:6b0:e:2018::219
irc.gimp.org has IPv6 address 2001:6b0:e:2018::217


irc.libera.chat and irc.gimp.org are different networks.  As you can see,
there is no overlap in Server IP Addresses.

Yes, I have gone to irc.libera.chat and registered #gnucash with them,
pointing them back to irc.gimp.org.  But all the traffic is still on
irc.gimp.org.

-derek

On Wed, November 30, 2022 2:26 pm, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> John,
>
> I'm a bit confused.
>
> I originally had the network & server name set to irc.gnome.org.
>
> I could see activity just fine.
>
> I switched the network name to irc.gimp.org as advised, had to
> re-register my nick, and now the channel is quiet.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Now I see warlord is advising that's the wrong server/channel, to switch
> to irc.gimp.org, which is exactly what I did and what my client log
> reports I'm connected to. (but when it first signs on, it tells me I'm
> on irc.libera.chat as you noted)
>
> Where are my wires crossing?
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
> On 11/29/22 5:47 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>> The Gnome infrastructure team has changed the alias for irc.gnome.org
>> from irc.gimp.org to irc.libera.chat. That means that the #gnucash IRC
>> channel on irc.gnome.org is no longer the one monitored by the GnuCash
>> team. If you have configured an IRC client to connect to #gnucash on
>> irc.gnome.org you need to reconfigure it to connect on irc.gimp.org.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] can't create a transaction report

[Adrien Monteleone]

Hmm...

First, since you upgraded, if you didn't already do so, run:

Actions > Check & Repair > Check & Repair All

If something is off with the underlying data, it could be wrecking havoc 
with report code as that seems to be the area at issue.


Run from the Terminal to see if there is any useful output, and also see 
the Wiki about obtaining a TraceFile.


There may be some errors reported in either of those that could shed 
light on what's going wrong.


Regards,
Adrien

On 11/30/22 9:55 AM, ph hermes wrote:

yes. dragged into applications. yes started from there and from dock. i
even added date to app file name so i could be sure i was using the latest
one.

today, i started with my file and opened it from there. today i could
create a report, but when i went to look at it, i couldn't scroll and when
i tried to print it flipped me back to the options page.

nothing else seems off on my mac, which is new this year.

does it make any sense to simply start download again?


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Re: [GNC] can't create a transaction report

[David H]

So just to be clear, you're running on an M1/M2 Mac - perhaps provide
machine specs ?  Anything meaningful in the trace file -
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile ???

Cheers David H.


On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 at 01:56, ph hermes  wrote:

> yes. dragged into applications. yes started from there and from dock. i
> even added date to app file name so i could be sure i was using the latest
> one.
>
> today, i started with my file and opened it from there. today i could
> create a report, but when i went to look at it, i couldn't scroll and when
> i tried to print it flipped me back to the options page.
>
> nothing else seems off on my mac, which is new this year.
>
> does it make any sense to simply start download again?
>
> thanks everyone.
>
> ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:
> writer ~:~ photographer ~:~ book designer
> resident manager
> paulahendricks.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
>
> > That's normal.
> >
> > You are 'installing' it, correct?
> >
> > That is, opening the .dmg you downloaded, then dragging and dropping the
> > GnuCash icon to your /Applications folder, then running it from
> > /Applications or via Launchpad or your Dock. (you will likely have to
> > open it twice, the first time is just to tell Gatekeeper the app is
> > safe, after that it should take only one-click to launch)
> >
> > Since you were already using GnuCash on your Mac, I could guess you did
> > so, but it doesn't hurt to ask and verify.
> >
> > Some people report weird things when trying to run it from within the
> .dmg
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 11/28/22 10:04 AM, ph hermes wrote:
> > > yes...
> > >
> > > version installed: Version: 4.12
> > > Build ID: 4.12+(2022-09-24)
> > >
> > > downloaded from sourceforge (via gnucash.org)
> > >
> > > when i opened the new downloaded gnucash file it opened up my saved
> file
> > > immediately. is that normal? should i have had to go find the current
> > file?
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Re: [GNC] ANNOUNCE: IRC: irc.gnome.org Alias Changed

[Adrien Monteleone]

John,

I'm a bit confused.

I originally had the network & server name set to irc.gnome.org.

I could see activity just fine.

I switched the network name to irc.gimp.org as advised, had to 
re-register my nick, and now the channel is quiet.


Am I missing something?

Now I see warlord is advising that's the wrong server/channel, to switch 
to irc.gimp.org, which is exactly what I did and what my client log 
reports I'm connected to. (but when it first signs on, it tells me I'm 
on irc.libera.chat as you noted)


Where are my wires crossing?

Regards,
Adrien
On 11/29/22 5:47 PM, John Ralls wrote:

The Gnome infrastructure team has changed the alias for irc.gnome.org from 
irc.gimp.org to irc.libera.chat. That means that the #gnucash IRC channel on 
irc.gnome.org is no longer the one monitored by the GnuCash team. If you have 
configured an IRC client to connect to #gnucash on irc.gnome.org you need to 
reconfigure it to connect on irc.gimp.org.

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] getting price quotes

[aeg via gnucash-user]

 Hi Martin,
Thank you for your very helpful response.
I can confirm that I have a free Alpha Vantage API key setup in Preferences, 
which I assume is valid because when I tried to obtain a new one, (just in case 
that was the problem), Alpha Vantage confirmed that I already have one.
I'm using OS Windows 10 and GnuCash version 3.5.I haven't been aware of a 
Finance::Quote version, and didn't know where to look for it, but I've just 
discovered that it's 1.47 and presumably the problem, as you've indicated. Is 
that something I can update separately, or will I have to update to the current 
GC version?
The online quotes have previously been set to retrieve from Alphavantage, US, 
which worked without any hitches until early November (my last successful 
download was 4 November), so I guess that's around the time the rules changed. 
I've tried changing to Yahoo as JSON, but without success.
Regards,Alan


On Wednesday, 30 November 2022 at 09:05:01 GMT, Martin Booth 
 wrote:  
 
  Hi Alan,I am also UK based and you need to check the following.
You have a valid free Alpha Vantage API key setup in preferences for on-line 
quotes
You have the latest on-line stock retrieval at least Finance::Quote: 1.53 
otherwise your quotes will not download (this is probably the issue as Alpha 
Vantage changed the retrieval requirements and the F::Q needed an update.)

Check you have set your on-line quotes to retrieve from Yahoo as JSON in 
Security Editor for stock quotes. This works fine for me.
 
Then you should be fine.
You did not say which OS you are running or the GNU Cash version with F::Q 
version, therefore depending upon OS the updates to F::Q are different.
I hope this helps.

regards,Martin

On Wednesday, 30 November 2022 at 08:40:48 GMT, aeg via gnucash-user 
 wrote:  
 
  It's interesting to note that Alpha Vantage is still recommended to GnuCash 
users and is available to some, as it stopped working for me a few weeks ago. 
When I contacted the Alpha Vantage Team, I was told that I needed to contribute 
to the premium plan, at a minimum cost of 49.99 USD per month, despite the fact 
that I've only been using the service once per week to retrieve 5 stock price 
updates. How are others still able to use the service free of charge?
I'm based in the UK, so I'd be interested to know how other UK users obtain 
updates to their stock prices.
Regards,AlanG



  
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:24:16 -0600
From: R Losey 


Alphavantage is now the default, and you have to get a free ID to use the
service (there is information regarding how to acquire an ID).

Be aware, though -- Alphavantage adds a one-minute delay for each set of
five stocks you update. (That is, five stocks will take seconds, but six
stocks will take over a minute).

I changed to what David suggested for my stock updates. I would prefer to
have Multiple, but not use Alphavantage, but that doesn't seem to be an
option at present.


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Re: [GNC] can't create a transaction report

[ph hermes]

yes. dragged into applications. yes started from there and from dock. i
even added date to app file name so i could be sure i was using the latest
one.

today, i started with my file and opened it from there. today i could
create a report, but when i went to look at it, i couldn't scroll and when
i tried to print it flipped me back to the options page.

nothing else seems off on my mac, which is new this year.

does it make any sense to simply start download again?

thanks everyone.

~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:
writer ~:~ photographer ~:~ book designer
resident manager
paulahendricks.com


On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> That's normal.
>
> You are 'installing' it, correct?
>
> That is, opening the .dmg you downloaded, then dragging and dropping the
> GnuCash icon to your /Applications folder, then running it from
> /Applications or via Launchpad or your Dock. (you will likely have to
> open it twice, the first time is just to tell Gatekeeper the app is
> safe, after that it should take only one-click to launch)
>
> Since you were already using GnuCash on your Mac, I could guess you did
> so, but it doesn't hurt to ask and verify.
>
> Some people report weird things when trying to run it from within the .dmg
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 11/28/22 10:04 AM, ph hermes wrote:
> > yes...
> >
> > version installed: Version: 4.12
> > Build ID: 4.12+(2022-09-24)
> >
> > downloaded from sourceforge (via gnucash.org)
> >
> > when i opened the new downloaded gnucash file it opened up my saved file
> > immediately. is that normal? should i have had to go find the current
> file?
>
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Re: [GNC] getting price quotes

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I believe that AlphaVantage is the "default" simply because it is 
alphabetically first in the list. And it is included because it is still 
possible for users to use it, albeit with significant restrictions (that have 
been imposed after the original implementation).

It is not wise to read significance into these circumstances. 

⁣David T. ​

On Nov 30, 2022, 11:40 AM, at 11:40 AM, aeg via gnucash-user 
 wrote:
>It's interesting to note that Alpha Vantage is still recommended to
>GnuCash users and is available to some, as it stopped working for me a
>few weeks ago. When I contacted the Alpha Vantage Team, I was told that
>I needed to contribute to the premium plan, at a minimum cost of 49.99
>USD per month, despite the fact that I've only been using the service
>once per week to retrieve 5 stock price updates. How are others still
>able to use the service free of charge?
>I'm based in the UK, so I'd be interested to know how other UK users
>obtain updates to their stock prices.
>Regards,AlanG
>
>
>
>   
>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:24:16 -0600
>From: R Losey 
>
>
>Alphavantage is now the default, and you have to get a free ID to use
>the
>service (there is information regarding how to acquire an ID).
>
>Be aware, though -- Alphavantage adds a one-minute delay for each set
>of
>five stocks you update. (That is, five stocks will take seconds, but
>six
>stocks will take over a minute).
>
>I changed to what David suggested for my stock updates. I would prefer
>to
>have Multiple, but not use Alphavantage, but that doesn't seem to be an
>option at present.
>
>
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Re: [GNC] How can I enter all fixed assets?

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 11/30/2022 2:17 AM, Christian Lynbech wrote:

Having been contemplating this as well, I came to the conclusion that I
would create an account for each expensive piece of equipment and then
a common account for all the small stuff.

In Denmark...


The last is key to this discussion, what are the rules of the 
jurisdiction? Like I said, USUALLY you depreciate as fast as the rules 
of the jurisdiction allow (because of tax considerations) but this might 
not be realistic in terms of the expected useful life of the asset (an 
extreme example of that might be a farm tractor, etc.) That means 
POSSIBLY you might want to keep a separate set of books* for THAT if a 
significant part of real net worth compared to "book" net worth << for a 
farming operation might well be hundreds of thousands of dollars 
difference!>>


All the little stuff together  IF you are doing this (your 
jurisdiction doesn't allow you to immediately "expense" low value but 
very durable items with a significant total per year, do it by year 
(since they will be depreciated together). Again a case where could, be 
a significant difference between "book value" and actual. Examples might 
be a mechanics tools, etc. The jurisdiction might allow you to "expense" 
immediately but the total residual value might be high.


Look, I am sort of breaking my rule here of not trying to teach 
fundamentals of accounting << except for non-profits, where I will help 
out >> Using accounting software like gnucash does NOT relieve you of 
the necessity of learning the fundamentals of accounting as they apply 
to your particular endeavor and the rules of your jurisdiction.


Michael D Novack

* You COULD use a spreadsheet for this "off the books" set of books. But 
personally I usually use gnucash as then can generate the reports with 
little work.



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Re: [GNC] User-defined commands

[Christopher Lam]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 15:55, Helmut Eller  wrote:

On Tue, Nov 29 2022, john wrote:
> See the definition of gnc:add-report-template-menu-item at https://
> github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/gnome/report-menus.scm#
> L42 for example code. It's all specialized for report templates so
> you'll have to copy and modify a lot of code. Note the convention
> that functions starting with gnc: are written in Scheme and those
> starting with gnc- or xacc are written in C and exposed to Guile via
> SWIG.

Thank you.  With this I was able to add a command to the Tools
menu. (See the attached file, in case somebody is interested.)


This is indeed interesting... I'd previously experimented with a repl
server[1], using nc to connect. Yours is much more elegant. Would you care
to add to the wiki?

[1]
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports#Command_line_access_to_the_API

With yours, one can launch via Tools > Scheme REPL, then (use-modules
(gnucash engine)) to import the whole engine api.


Can the same strategy also be used to add items to the popup menu?

I'm mostly asking if I should look harder or if it is not possible
because there are no Scheme bindings for the popup menu.  Similarly, is
there a Scheme binding for
gnc_plugin_page_account_tree_get_current_account?


I don't think there is.
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Re: [GNC] getting price quotes

[Martin Booth via gnucash-user]

 Hi Alan,I am also UK based and you need to check the following.
You have a valid free Alpha Vantage API key setup in preferences for on-line 
quotes
You have the latest on-line stock retrieval at least Finance::Quote: 1.53 
otherwise your quotes will not download (this is probably the issue as Alpha 
Vantage changed the retrieval requirements and the F::Q needed an update.)

Check you have set your on-line quotes to retrieve from Yahoo as JSON in 
Security Editor for stock quotes. This works fine for me.
 
Then you should be fine.
You did not say which OS you are running or the GNU Cash version with F::Q 
version, therefore depending upon OS the updates to F::Q are different.
I hope this helps.

regards,Martin


On Wednesday, 30 November 2022 at 08:40:48 GMT, aeg via gnucash-user 
 wrote:  
 
  It's interesting to note that Alpha Vantage is still recommended to GnuCash 
users and is available to some, as it stopped working for me a few weeks ago. 
When I contacted the Alpha Vantage Team, I was told that I needed to contribute 
to the premium plan, at a minimum cost of 49.99 USD per month, despite the fact 
that I've only been using the service once per week to retrieve 5 stock price 
updates. How are others still able to use the service free of charge?
I'm based in the UK, so I'd be interested to know how other UK users obtain 
updates to their stock prices.
Regards,AlanG



  
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:24:16 -0600
From: R Losey 


Alphavantage is now the default, and you have to get a free ID to use the
service (there is information regarding how to acquire an ID).

Be aware, though -- Alphavantage adds a one-minute delay for each set of
five stocks you update. (That is, five stocks will take seconds, but six
stocks will take over a minute).

I changed to what David suggested for my stock updates. I would prefer to
have Multiple, but not use Alphavantage, but that doesn't seem to be an
option at present.


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Re: [GNC] getting price quotes

[aeg via gnucash-user]

 It's interesting to note that Alpha Vantage is still recommended to GnuCash 
users and is available to some, as it stopped working for me a few weeks ago. 
When I contacted the Alpha Vantage Team, I was told that I needed to contribute 
to the premium plan, at a minimum cost of 49.99 USD per month, despite the fact 
that I've only been using the service once per week to retrieve 5 stock price 
updates. How are others still able to use the service free of charge?
I'm based in the UK, so I'd be interested to know how other UK users obtain 
updates to their stock prices.
Regards,AlanG



   
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:24:16 -0600
From: R Losey 


Alphavantage is now the default, and you have to get a free ID to use the
service (there is information regarding how to acquire an ID).

Be aware, though -- Alphavantage adds a one-minute delay for each set of
five stocks you update. (That is, five stocks will take seconds, but six
stocks will take over a minute).

I changed to what David suggested for my stock updates. I would prefer to
have Multiple, but not use Alphavantage, but that doesn't seem to be an
option at present.


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