[GNC] Reconciling PayPal

[Dr. David Kirkby]

Someone mentioned reconciling their PayPal account. Is there a way to do
this for anything other than the last transaction? I don’t seem to be able
to display a balance at any point in the past. So if I wanted to know the
balance on the first of July, I don’t see a way of finding it.

I am trying to enter transactions from the start of my financial year, but
I can’t find a way of finding the balance at any particular moment in time.

I was looking yesterday and were baffled by transaction that involved
buying postage through eBay with PayPal.

Purchase postage @ £0.48
another transaction with a similar implication, but for -£0.48. But it
doesn’t appear to be a refund. £0.48 was withdrawn from my bank account.

I *think* what the account is showing is that the £0.48 was paid for
postage, then £0.45 was withdrawn by eBay (not me). But overall I find
following what is actually happening in the PayPal account is very
difficult, and unless I am mistaken, reconciling would be a very painful
experience. I can not really see how the reconcile tool in GnuCash would
help much.

Does anyone know of a way of getting the balance in the account at a
certain time in the past? Does anyone find the reconcile tool in GunCash
helpful with PayPal?

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Re: [GNC] Buying with PayPal - how do I split the transaction?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 23:07, R Losey  wrote:

> Ah; if you're going to hold money in the PayPal account, I think it would
> be an asset account, from which you transfer money from the bank to Paypal
> whenever, and then you reduce money when you purchase something via Paypal.
>

I have in the past removed any money asap, as they can lock accounts for
“your own security”. However, despite being in the UK, I have some
customers who want to pay in Euros or USD, despite I make it clear I charge
more. When USD arrives in my account, it makes little sense to pay currency
conversion fees to convert to GBP, then later buy something in USD, paying
more currency conversion fees. So if I don’t need the money, there are
financial advantages to holding USD and Euros, rather than converting to
GBP.

My accountant told me to treat PayPal as an asset, which was my original
reason for doing so.

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Re: [GNC] Buying with PayPal - how do I split the transaction?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 23:01, R Losey  wrote:

> I'm very simple-minded, I guess.
>
> I treat Paypal just an an expense... so, for the transaction above, I
> would enter in the Bank account
>
> Payee: Paypal (Google)
> with the expense category Expenses->Utilities->Internet
>

I would have suggested that the GnuCash documentation should have something
about how to handle PayPal, but it seems as though   multiple people handle
it multiple different ways. You treat PayPal as an expensive, but I see it
as an asset.

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[GNC] QFX Import fails into a specific account, crashes. Same import works in other accounts

[Paul Hugo]

I have a Chase credit card account.  I used to be able to import QFX 
file no problem, but the last time I tried, it crashed gnucash.


I thought there must be something wrong with the file and waded through 
it, comparing it to files that worked for other accounts.  I couldn't 
find anything in the file that seemed wrong.  I eventually tried an 
import that had worked for another account on that Chase account.  It, 
too, crashed gnucash.  So, I tried the one that was meant for chase on 
other accounts, and it worked fine.  I eventually took a QFX file and 
stripped it down to just one transaction to import.  That file works 
fine on all accounts I tried except for the chase account.   So, 
something about that account, transactions, splits, etc. is bad.


Of course, to try it on other accounts, I had to delete the online mapping.

So the failure is, select import => OFX/QFX, select file name, select 
account to import into, crash.


I tried the check and repair.

I tried creating a new account, and it seemed to work.  So I thought 
maybe if I delete the bad account and move all its transactions to the 
new account that maybe moving them would fix the issue.  It didn't.  Now 
the new account fails.  I'm guessing there is some mismatch between 
accounts, splits and transactions.


I did try exporting all the transactions from the chase account and 
importing them into a new account that does seem to fix it and I suppose 
I should just do that but having spent a lot of time with databases, I'm 
curious what's wrong with the data.


I tried creating a copy and moving it into sqlite so I could more easily 
look at the data, but so far haven't found much.


I included the crash report below.  I see nothing in the logs.

Using gnucash Version: 4.12 Build ID: 4.12+(2022-09-24) on a MacBook Pro 
running 12.5.1





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Translated Report (Full Report Below)
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Process:   Gnucash [20840]
Path: /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash
Identifier:    org.gnucash.Gnucash
Version:   4.12-1 (4.12-1)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:    launchd [1]
User ID:   501

Date/Time: 2022-12-12 20:12:57.1335 -0800
OS Version:    macOS 12.5.1 (21G83)
Report Version:    12
Bridge OS Version: 6.6 (19P6066)
Anonymous UUID:    F635F280-AB31-2CB7-681E-20347B46BDE3

Sleep/Wake UUID:   A1EF946C-602C-4B4F-BC92-BD3D77FB24A6

Time Awake Since Boot: 210 seconds
Time Since Wake:   9971 seconds

System Integrity Protection: disabled

Crashed Thread:    0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type:    EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes:   0x, 0x
Exception Note:    EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Application Specific Information:
abort() called


Thread 0 Crashed::  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   libsystem_kernel.dylib        0x7ff8189e400e __pthread_kill + 10
1   libsystem_pthread.dylib       0x7ff818a1a1ff pthread_kill + 263
2   libsystem_c.dylib         0x7ff818965d24 abort + 123
3   libsystem_malloc.dylib        0x7ff818843357 malloc_vreport 
+ 551

4   libsystem_malloc.dylib        0x7ff81884652b malloc_report + 151
5   libgnc-generic-import.dylib      0x104d5bdb0 
gnc_import_exists_online_id + 384
6   libgnc-generic-import.dylib      0x104d60cd9 
gnc_gen_trans_list_add_trans_with_ref_id + 41

7   libgncmod-ofx.dylib      0x1080a1a56 runMatcher + 182
8   libgncmod-ofx.dylib      0x1080a197b 
gnc_file_ofx_import_process_file + 267
9   libgobject-2.0.0.dylib       0x105869766 
g_closure_invoke + 278
10  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib       0x1058808b7 
signal_emit_unlocked_R + 1623
11  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib       0x10588195e 
g_signal_emit_valist + 2798

12  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib       0x105881e42 g_signal_emit + 130
13  libgtk-3.0.dylib     0x10645b004 
_gtk_action_emit_activate + 68
14  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib       0x1058699e5 
_g_closure_invoke_va + 309
15  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib       0x10588134d 
g_signal_emit_valist + 1245

16  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib       0x105881e42 g_signal_emit + 130
17  libgobject-2.0.0.dylib       0x105869766 
g_closure_invoke + 278
18  libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib       0x1051ae38f 
idle_call_activate + 79
19  libgdk-3.0.dylib     0x105536352 
gdk_threads_dispatch + 50
20  libglib-2.0.0.dylib      0x1052c9d3e 
g_main_context_dispatch + 350
21  libglib-2.0.0.dylib      0x1052ca0ad 
g_main_context_iterate + 525
22  libglib-2.0.0.dylib      0x1052ca3fa g_main_loop_run 
+ 266

23  libgtk-3.0.dylib     0x106296f2b gtk_main + 75
24  libgnc-gnome-utils.dylib     

Re: [GNC] accounts list

[R Losey]

Derek... he lost his old computer with all of his data is is starting
over.  He was looking for how to get some default list of accounts.



On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 2:22 PM Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What happens if you run Actions -> New Account Hierarchy ??
>
> Although this begs the question:  why can't you File -> Export -> Export
> Accounts and re-use your existing Account Hierarchy?  Why rebuild it from
> scratch?
>
> Which begs the next question:  Why restart at all?  GnuCash has no
> requirement for you to restart the data file, and will happily keep going.
>  You can archive each year to refer back (or for posterity).  But I'm
> curious why you go through the tremendous effort to restart every year?
>
> -derek
>
> On Mon, December 12, 2022 3:10 pm, David Carlson wrote:
> > Orinth,
> >
> > I am assuming that you are using a computer that has a Windows 10 or 11
> > operating system.  GnuCash works somewhat like Word or LibreOffice.  You
> > create one data file. You need to save it with a unique name in a
> > subfolder
> > under your user data folder.  It will have all the accounts that the
> > GnuCash setup assistant provides when you select the best account tree
> for
> > your use.  Then you may add some accounts and/or rename some.  Save it
> > again.  Now you can quit GnuCash and the next time you start GnuCash it
> > will open that same data file.
> >
> > In Linux it works in a similar way,   but on a Mac it is a little
> > different,  but someone else can describe the difference.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 10:09 AM Orith  wrote:
> >
> >> I have to enter and create each file on its on.  there is no tree.
> >> OrithC
> >>
> >> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 17:56, Maf. King  wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:42:40 GMT Orith wrote:
> >> > > It seems I missed explaining myself. It is not the data files that I
> >> > > am looking for. It's a new year and I can start from scratch to fill
> >> the
> >> > > files.  When I downloaded GnuCash from the beginning it did not give
> >> me
> >> > the
> >> > > opportunity to build a new accounting files tree. It always did
> >> before.
> >> > > This time I have to do it one by one on my own.
> >> > > Is that the new format of GnuCash 4.12?
> >> > > OrithC
> >> >
> >> > What happens if you choose File -> New File ?
> >> >
> >> > Maf.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [GNC] accounts list

[R Losey]

I thought I was missing something, as what you wrote is exactly what I
thought you were asking.  I haven't set up an new GnuCash system since I
started using it... but surely there is some template or sample accounts
list?

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 9:43 AM Orith  wrote:

> It seems I missed explaining myself. It is not the data files that I
> am looking for. It's a new year and I can start from scratch to fill the
> files.  When I downloaded GnuCash from the beginning it did not give me the
> opportunity to build a new accounting files tree. It always did before.
> This time I have to do it one by one on my own.
> Is that the new format of GnuCash 4.12?
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Re: [GNC] Buying with PayPal - how do I split the transaction?

[R Losey]

Ah; if you're going to hold money in the PayPal account, I think it would
be an asset account, from which you transfer money from the bank to Paypal
whenever, and then you reduce money when you purchase something via Paypal.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 6:52 AM Dr. David Kirkby <
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 at 01:28, David Cousens 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > The different approaches with this mainly reflect different
> circumstances.
>
>
> Yes, I can see that.
>
> >
> > PayPal to some extent acts a bit like a bank so my first thought would be
> > to
> > treat them the same as you would treat a bank account, but the
> appropriate
> > way
> > to treat it depends on how you actually use your account with them.
> >
> > If you maintain a positive balance in the Paypal account from which
> > payments are
> > made to vendors then it is reasonable to treat a PayPal account as an
> asset
> > account of type bank as they are not extending credit to you.
>
>
> I do not have any credit facilities with PayPal. I have in the past
> withdrawn funds immediately. However, I am likely to stop this and maintain
> positive balances for USD and Euro because I make the occasional sales in
> USD and Euros, and frequently buy in those currencies. Keeping positive
> balances will reduce currency conversion fees. So I would definitely
> consider PayPal an asset, not a liability.
>
>
> If they extend credit to you, i.e. they pay the vendors immediately and
> > then you
> > pay out the balance owing to them at the end of the month, i.e. the
> account
> > balance is negative the majority of the time, then they are functioning
> > more as
> > a credit provider and a Liability account is a more appropriate way to
> > treat the
> > account.
>
>
> That’s not the case with me.
>
> You wouldn't necessarily need to raise an invoice to cover a payment to
> > PayPal
> > just as you wouldn't when you pay off your credit card with a bank.
>
>
>
> Okay, so if I think the following is a reasonable way to transfer money
> from the bank account to pay for goods with PayPal, with PayPal configured
> as an asset
>
> 1) Open bank account in GnuCash
> 2) Perform a transfer between the two assets
> Debit account: Assets -> PayPal > GBP
> Credit account: Assets -> Bank account
>
> >
> > The main purpose of Customers and Vendors and the business features
> around
> > them
> > is to avoid having to maintain individual accounts receivable and
> accounts
> > payable accounts for each customer or vendor you interact with and to
> > provide
> > the information to manage the credit that is extended to you by vendors
> > and the
> > credit you extend to your customers and the effect it has on cash flow.
>
>
> We are required here to keep records of “who you bought and sold to (unless
> you run a retail business)”
>
> https://www.gov.uk/running-a-limited-company/company-and-accounting-records
>
> I believe that my accountant told me that should be name and address. For
> me at least, having everyone as a vendor or customer makes some sense and
> consistently, but I think a transfer between the two assets makes more
> sense for transfers between PayPal and the bank account.
>
> Hope this clarifies things a bit.
>
>
> Yes, it is becoming clearer.
>
>
> > David
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Buying with PayPal - how do I split the transaction?

[R Losey]

I'm very simple-minded, I guess.

I treat Paypal just an an expense... so, for the transaction above, I would
enter in the Bank account

Payee: Paypal (Google)
with the expense category Expenses->Utilities->Internet


On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 2:01 PM Dr. David Kirkby <
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:

> I have the following accounts, and am buying something in GBP.
>
> Assets -> Accounts  Receivable -> GBP
> Assets -> Bank account
> Assets -> PayPal -> GBP
> Expenses -> Utilities -> Internet
> Liabilities -> Accounts Payable -> GBP
>
> I paid Google £15 for using some cloud storage (OneDrive) using PayPal. So
> PayPal took the money from the bank account and paid Google.
>
> *If I were NOT using PayPal, this is the process I would go through.*
>
> *Under Business -> Vendor -> New Bill*
> Create a bill and post that to these accounts
> *Expense Account:* Expenses -> Utilities -> Internet
> *Post to Account: * Liabilities -> Accounts Payable -> GBP
>
> *Under Business -> Vendor -> Process Payment*
> Process the payment
> *, using these accounts*
> *Post to*: Liabilities -> Accounts Payable -> GBP
> *Transfer Account:* Assets ->  Bank account
>
> Am I doing that all correctly done, if not using PayPal ?
>
> Assuming that is, how can I modify the process so the  account* Assets ->
> PayPal -> GBP* account gets used?
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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 20:49, Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 12/12/2022 8:21 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
>
> > Given a simple transaction has two splits, how many should this have?
> >
> We aren't going to be able to help much while fundamental concepts are
> misunderstood because that would affect the meaning of terms.
>
> a) In double entry bookkeeping the SIMPLEST form of transaction affects
> TWO accounts, one for the debit side and one for the credit side. We do
> NOT call such a transaction a "split".
>

My terminology does not seem to differ much from the link below. I have
solved my problem now - I have 3 splits, 3 accounts, and it all seems to be
okay.

https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=guide
2.9.3. Simple vs. Split Transactions

Every transaction in *GnuCash* has at least two splits, but a transaction
can have more than two splits. A transaction with only two splits is called
a *simple transaction*, since it only involves the current account and a
single remote account. A transaction with three or more accounts is called
a *split transaction*.
Dave
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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Robert Heller]

At Mon, 12 Dec 2022 15:12:55 -0600 (CST) Mark Penner  
wrote:

> 
> 
> Dec 12, 2022 14:39:13 Dr. David Kirkby :
> 
> > So at one point your PayPal account has the full amount, then you split
> > that, so the fees are removed?
> 
> When you process payment, you'll get a transaction like:
> Debit  Paypal: 906
> Credit A/R: 906
> 
> Edit that transaction by subtracting the fee from the amount debited to 
> PayPal and make a debit to Fees. The transaction should then look 
> something like:
> Debit  Paypal: 867.74
> Debit Fees: 38.26
> Credit A/R: 906

I just add two lines to the transaction split:

PayPal (debit) 
Service charge (credit) 

The result is a split transaction: PayPal increases by the total payment, the 
accounts receivables decreases by the total payment, PayPal decreases by the 
fee and service charges increase by the fee.  The *net* is PayPal increases by 
the payment less the fee, accounts receivables decreases by the total payment, 
and service charges increases by the fee.

> 
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Re: [GNC] Invoice now printing with huge text!

[Robert Heller]

At Mon, 12 Dec 2022 21:08:03 + "Dr. David Kirkby" 
 wrote:

> 
> I was messing around trying to get a nicer invoice., following instructions
> at
> 
> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/busnss-ar-invoicechange.html
> 
> I seem to have achieved the dead opposite. But I can't seem to find what
> went wrong - I assume a style sheet is messed up, but I can't seem to find
> out what. I've tried resetting everything I can find to the defaults, but
> clearly I am not succeeding. I probably changed the font size, but I can't
> find where the problem is.
> 
> I overlooked what the documentation said about importing GIF and PNG
> images, but I imported a JPEG. It actually displayed, so I assume the
> software supports JPEG too, but it was huge in size.
> 
> I assume these preferences are not stored in the .gnucash file because no
> matter what file I open, I see the same problem. I'm using Windows 10.
> Perhaps tomorrow I will open it on a Linux computer - I can see my way
> around that more than I can with Windows.

With gnucash 2.6.19 (stock version with Ubuntu 18.04 [yes, I know it is old,
but it works for me]), the stylesheets are in ~/.gnucash/stylesheets-2.0. I
don't know if 4.x does things differently. And I have no clue about what
MS-Windows does reguarding config files (where it stores/names them).

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Re: [GNC] Reconciling credit card

[Liz Dodd]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 15:44:49 +
Mahon Finbar  wrote:

> Another possibility?
> 
> In March 2021 I was reimbursed 1,340.98 by an airline for a trip to 
> Japan which was cancelled due to Covid.
> 
> In error I entered the reimbursement against my credit card, although
> I had paid it from my bank.
> 
> That would account for the 'credit' on the credit card?
> 
> However, the original spend was allocated to 'expenses' > travel.
> When I try to rectify it as a rebate on the expenses a/c the column
> option is 'rebate' but it appears twice, as an expense and a rebate
> and the expenses a/c does not reflect the reduction in the outgoings?
> 
> Why?
> 
> Finbar
> 

Finbar
I am loath to add more advice, because I'm not sure where you are in
solving this.
Let's just imagine that you have just found the error, that the
reimbursement is in the wrong account in your books. Maybe you
found it when the bank account reconciliation was incorrect.
At this point
Did you add the transaction to the bank account in Gnucash?

Go to your Expenses:Travel account. Is that reimbursement recorded once
or twice there?
You would expect to have one entry, linked to the bank account. It
should decrease your expenses.
If you have two entries, delete the one linked to the credit card.
If you have one entry, and it is linked to the credit card, edit it to
be linked to the bank account. Of course, any of us would have already
noticed an extra thousand dollars in a bank account and tried to find
the reason. ;)

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Mark Penner via gnucash-user]

Dec 12, 2022 14:39:13 Dr. David Kirkby :


So at one point your PayPal account has the full amount, then you split
that, so the fees are removed?


When you process payment, you'll get a transaction like:
Debit  Paypal: 906
Credit A/R: 906

Edit that transaction by subtracting the fee from the amount debited to 
PayPal and make a debit to Fees. The transaction should then look 
something like:

Debit  Paypal: 867.74
Debit Fees: 38.26
Credit A/R: 906

Mark
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Re: [GNC] Unable to download on new computer

[David Cousens]

Orith

Something that may save you a bit of work. It will depend upon what failed on
your old computer. If it was not a hard disk failure, it may be possible to
mount the hard drive from your old computer on your new computer. A computer
repair service can help you remove and test the old hard drive if you do not
know how to do this. They may even be able to just copy the data files (you will
likely have more than just your GnuCash file you want to recover) to a USB stick
so you can transfer it to the new computer.

Most good computer retailers will have a kit which can power a hard drive from
mains AC and provide a USB interface you can use to connect to your new
computer(In Australia AU$40-80), particularly if it is a laptop. I have one of
these which will work with almost all types of drive for testing hard drives) If
your new computer is a dektop and has a spare mount position for a hard disk,
you might be able to just plug it in. Take your old hard drive to the computer
store so they can give you the right kit for your hard drive. 

Your new computer should then be able mount the old hard drive when you plug it
in powered up, and you can navigate to it in Explorer, copy the old data file
from the old hard disk to your new computer's hard disk. Then use File->Open to
open the copy on the new computer's disk and you should be operational.

If the hard drive failed, then it is unlikely the data can be recovered although
there are services which can do this in some circumstances. Always make backups
to another computer, cloud storage or offsite storage in future to avoid this

David Cousens

On Mon, 2022-12-12 at 17:32 +0200, Orith wrote:
> Thanks. OrithC
> 
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 5:30 PM Maf. King  wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:25:11 GMT Orith wrote:
> > > Thanks for the advice!
> > > Old computer is burned. Dead. I am unable to copy anything.  Thanks
> > Derek.
> > > 
> > 
> > From that, Orith, I assume you also lost all your backups and can't
> > restore
> > your datafile from one of those even one a few weeks old?
> > 
> > File -> New File and a lot of data-entry may well be your only choice then.
> > 
> > sorry.
> > Maf.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 12/12/2022 8:21 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:


Given a simple transaction has two splits, how many should this have?

We aren't going to be able to help much while fundamental concepts are 
misunderstood because that would affect the meaning of terms.


a) In double entry bookkeeping the SIMPLEST form of transaction affects 
TWO accounts, one for the debit side and one for the credit side. We do 
NOT call such a transaction a "split".


b) However a transaction can affect more than two accounts, can have 
more than one account being debited or more than one being credited or 
more than one on both sides.THAT is what is being called a "split". In 
other words, any transaction affecting three or more accounts is a split 
transaction/ It isn't really meaningful to talk about "how many splits" 
. The only way I would differentiate would be between "one way" and "two 
way. A one way split has only one debit or one credit with the other 
side having multiple accounts. A two way split has more than one debit 
and more than one credit. Using gnucash, we are starting in one of the 
affected ledger accounts and from there hitting "split. Doe a one way 
split it will be MUCH easier to enter if that account is the side that 
has just one account (the unsplit side)


c) When you hit the "split" button you are asking for "journal mode". 
That is how we who did bookkeeping in the old days had to enter ALL 
transactions, even the simple ones with just two accounts affected, 
After completion of the journal entry it would get "posted" to the 
ledger, putting each line of that journal entry into the affected ledger 
account << BTW, this was an error prone process, easy to get a digit 
wrong or misplaced >> Gnucash automates the posting when you hit 
":enter" for the transaction, Gnucash also lets you skip/shortcut the 
journal entry step for simple transactions affecting just two accounts.


NOTE -- gnucash can show you the journal as a report. This is all 
transactions in date order. But in terms of how we normally use gnucash, 
think of it as having a virtual journal as opposed to a file.


Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 18:56, Mark Penner via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

>
> Dec 12, 2022 10:26:24 Dr. David Kirkby :
>
> > Now I'm a bit lost on what I should be doing.
> >
> > When I create the invoice
> >
> > Business -> Customer -> ,New Invoice,
> >
> > a copy of which I will send to the customer, I don't want the PayPal
> > fees
> > showing. So I post the invoice without the PayPal fees showing. That is
> > going into
> >
> > Assets -> Accounts Receivable -> PayPal (GPB)
> > (the name might have changed slightly since when I originally posted,
> > but
> > the functionality should be obvious)
> >
> > After that, to process the payment
> >
> > Business -> Customer -> Process Payment
> >
> > I can only select one transfer account, which is not what I want to do.
> >
> > What item(s) on the menu should I be using to make the correct debits
> > and
> > credits to move the money into the PayPal account and the expenses
> > account
> > from the Accounts Receivable -> PayPal (GPB)?
>
> When I process payment, I choose my PayPal account, then edit the
> transaction by adding a split for the fee and subtracting the fee from
> the debit to PayPal. Don't change the Accounts Receivable split.
> If someone has a better solution, I would like to hear it too.
>
> Mark
>
So at one point your PayPal account has the full amount, then you split
that, so the fees are removed? From what Derik Atkins wrote earlier





*You should have three splits.  You entered 4 splits (two splits into
Assets:PayPal:GBP).  That's why it's showing up twice. Instead, you should
merge those into a single split of 906-38.26, because your Asset account
really only increased by 867.74* "

I interpreted that as meaning the PayPal account should never show the full
amount. I've been trying to find a way around to do that, but failing
miserably.

Dave
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Re: [GNC] accounts list

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

What happens if you run Actions -> New Account Hierarchy ??

Although this begs the question:  why can't you File -> Export -> Export
Accounts and re-use your existing Account Hierarchy?  Why rebuild it from
scratch?

Which begs the next question:  Why restart at all?  GnuCash has no
requirement for you to restart the data file, and will happily keep going.
 You can archive each year to refer back (or for posterity).  But I'm
curious why you go through the tremendous effort to restart every year?

-derek

On Mon, December 12, 2022 3:10 pm, David Carlson wrote:
> Orinth,
>
> I am assuming that you are using a computer that has a Windows 10 or 11
> operating system.  GnuCash works somewhat like Word or LibreOffice.  You
> create one data file. You need to save it with a unique name in a
> subfolder
> under your user data folder.  It will have all the accounts that the
> GnuCash setup assistant provides when you select the best account tree for
> your use.  Then you may add some accounts and/or rename some.  Save it
> again.  Now you can quit GnuCash and the next time you start GnuCash it
> will open that same data file.
>
> In Linux it works in a similar way,   but on a Mac it is a little
> different,  but someone else can describe the difference.
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 10:09 AM Orith  wrote:
>
>> I have to enter and create each file on its on.  there is no tree.
>> OrithC
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 17:56, Maf. King  wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:42:40 GMT Orith wrote:
>> > > It seems I missed explaining myself. It is not the data files that I
>> > > am looking for. It's a new year and I can start from scratch to fill
>> the
>> > > files.  When I downloaded GnuCash from the beginning it did not give
>> me
>> > the
>> > > opportunity to build a new accounting files tree. It always did
>> before.
>> > > This time I have to do it one by one on my own.
>> > > Is that the new format of GnuCash 4.12?
>> > > OrithC
>> >
>> > What happens if you choose File -> New File ?
>> >
>> > Maf.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [GNC] accounts list

[David Carlson]

Orinth,

I am assuming that you are using a computer that has a Windows 10 or 11
operating system.  GnuCash works somewhat like Word or LibreOffice.  You
create one data file. You need to save it with a unique name in a subfolder
under your user data folder.  It will have all the accounts that the
GnuCash setup assistant provides when you select the best account tree for
your use.  Then you may add some accounts and/or rename some.  Save it
again.  Now you can quit GnuCash and the next time you start GnuCash it
will open that same data file.

In Linux it works in a similar way,   but on a Mac it is a little
different,  but someone else can describe the difference.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 10:09 AM Orith  wrote:

> I have to enter and create each file on its on.  there is no tree.
> OrithC
>
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 17:56, Maf. King  wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:42:40 GMT Orith wrote:
> > > It seems I missed explaining myself. It is not the data files that I
> > > am looking for. It's a new year and I can start from scratch to fill
> the
> > > files.  When I downloaded GnuCash from the beginning it did not give me
> > the
> > > opportunity to build a new accounting files tree. It always did before.
> > > This time I have to do it one by one on my own.
> > > Is that the new format of GnuCash 4.12?
> > > OrithC
> >
> > What happens if you choose File -> New File ?
> >
> > Maf.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

On Mon, December 12, 2022 1:56 pm, Mark Penner via gnucash-user wrote:
>
> Dec 12, 2022 10:26:24 Dr. David Kirkby :
>
[snip]
>> I can only select one transfer account, which is not what I want to do.
>>
>> What item(s) on the menu should I be using to make the correct debits
>> and
>> credits to move the money into the PayPal account and the expenses
>> account
>> from the Accounts Receivable -> PayPal (GPB)?
>
> When I process payment, I choose my PayPal account, then edit the
> transaction by adding a split for the fee and subtracting the fee from
> the debit to PayPal. Don't change the Accounts Receivable split.
> If someone has a better solution, I would like to hear it too.

That is the officially supported method.  Process the payment and then
edit the splits, making sure not to touch the A/R or A/P split.

> Mark

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Re: [GNC] Installing or updating Finance::Quote

[aeg via gnucash-user]

 UPDATE
With thanks to those who advised me on this problem, I've finally managed to 
install the latest version of Finance::Quote and get it working. It wasn't as 
straightforward as I'd expected, and I ended up reinstalling Perl a couple of 
times in case that was the problem, but it turns out that the Start menu item 
“Install Online Price Retrieval for Gnucash” proved unreliable, as did the use 
of cmd command 'gnc-fq-update', and after several unsuccessful attempts, I 
searched the internet and found a very useful step-by-step guide that helped me 
achieve a successful outcome.
In case anyone else faces similar problems with installing Finance::Quote, this 
is how I did it:
Following additional guidance from 
https://learn.perl.org/installing/windows.html, I carried out the following 
steps:
Uninstall old version of Strawberry PerlDownload and install the latest version 
of Strawberry Perl.Install App::cpanminus by typing 'cpan App::cpanminus' into 
cmd  Install Finance::Quote by typing 'cpanm Finance::Quote' into cmd

I rebooted the computer between each stage, just in case that helped, and 
GnuCash now shows the latest version of Finance::Quote and downloads stock 
prices as it used to.
Regards,AlanG



On Friday, 9 December 2022 at 23:26:12 GMT, Geoff 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Alan

It looks like the install has failed for some reason as the modules 
should be under: C:\Strawberry\perl\site\lib\Finance\

The entries under "perl\vendor" are not related to Finance::Quote and 
are irrelevant.

I suggest that you try to install it again.  The installation can be a 
bit fiddly as there are a number of dependencies, and some modules take 
a while.

You can do this with the GnuCash installer.  Open a command prompt as 
administrator and type:-
perl C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnc-fq-update

Or directly by downloading from here:-
https://metacpan.org/pod/Finance::Quote


Good luck!

Regards

Geoff
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On 10/12/2022 6:01 am, aeg via gnucash-user wrote:
>  Murugan,
> 
> Thank you for your suggestion.There is no folder named "Finance" at that 
> location, but I searched for quote.pm within Strawberry and found it at each 
> of these 
> locations:C:\Strawberry\cpan\build\Finance-Quote-1.5301-0\lib\Finance 
> (version 1.5301)
>  C:\Strawberry\cpan\build\Finance-Quote-1.5301-1\lib\Finance (version 1.5301)
> C:\Strawberry\perl\vendor\lib\Sub (version 2.006006)
> C:\Strawberry\perl\vendor\lib\PPI\Token (version 1.270)
> 
> I don't know whether that helps to clarify the problem.
> Regards,Alan
> 
>      On Friday, 9 December 2022 at 17:51:50 GMT, Murugan Muruganandam 
> wrote:
>  
>  Alan
> Check your quote.pm file in C:\Strawberry\perl\site\lib\Finance and check the 
> version. if it is not 1.52, you may need to download and replace the file
> Saludos Cordiales
> Murugan
> 
> From: gnucash-user 
>  on behalf of 
> aeg via gnucash-user 
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2022 2:40 PM
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> Subject: [GNC] Installing or updating Finance::Quote I've started this thread 
> separately from "[GNC] getting price quotes" (from which I gained helpful 
> advice last week), as it's a more specific problem I now face.
> Following the advice from David H and others last week, I eventually decided 
> to upgrade from GC version 3.5 to 4.12, in the hope that it would 
> automatically install the latest version of Finance::Quote and enable me to 
> resume downloading stock prices again. I'm using Windows 10 and the 
> previously installed version of F::Q was 1.47, which had worked without 
> problems until the first week of November.
> The upgrade to GC v4.12 turned out to be more straightforward than I'd 
> previously feared, but I then found that F::Q was still on 1.47, and attempts 
> to update or run "Install OnlinePrice Retrieval for Gnucash" from the Start 
> menu have been unsuccessful, so I'm hoping someone can point me in the 
> direction of a solution.
> I should add that, prior to the GC update, I installed the latest version of 
> Strawberry Perl (v5.32.1), after first removing the previous version 
> (v5.18.2).
> Regards,Alan
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Mark Penner via gnucash-user]

Dec 12, 2022 10:26:24 Dr. David Kirkby :


Now I'm a bit lost on what I should be doing.

When I create the invoice

Business -> Customer -> ,New Invoice,

a copy of which I will send to the customer, I don't want the PayPal 
fees

showing. So I post the invoice without the PayPal fees showing. That is
going into

Assets -> Accounts Receivable -> PayPal (GPB)
(the name might have changed slightly since when I originally posted, 
but

the functionality should be obvious)

After that, to process the payment

Business -> Customer -> Process Payment

I can only select one transfer account, which is not what I want to do.

What item(s) on the menu should I be using to make the correct debits 
and
credits to move the money into the PayPal account and the expenses 
account

from the Accounts Receivable -> PayPal (GPB)?


When I process payment, I choose my PayPal account, then edit the 
transaction by adding a split for the fee and subtracting the fee from 
the debit to PayPal. Don't change the Accounts Receivable split.

If someone has a better solution, I would like to hear it too.

Mark
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Re: [GNC] Reconciling credit card

[Fred Bone]

On 12 December 2022 at 15:44, Mahon Finbar said:

> Another possibility?
> 
> In March 2021 I was reimbursed 1,340.98 by an airline for a trip to 
> Japan which was cancelled due to Covid.
> 
> In error I entered the reimbursement against my credit card, although I
> had paid it from my bank.
> 
> That would account for the 'credit' on the credit card?

Obviously.

If you tell Gnucash that the money went to the credit card when it 
didn't, you should expect to see incorrect results.

"Garbage in, garbage out" has been a maxim in IT since well before I 
started in the business.



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Re: [GNC] Overflow menus in invoices/bills not working in latest release on MacOS Ventura

[john]

M1 actually does matter, this is 
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5305. I'll build 4.13 with the 
latest Gtk-3-24.

Regards,
John Ralls




> On Dec 12, 2022, at 7:36 AM, R. Victor Klassen  wrote:
> 
> Not transitory.  I don’t think the M1 chip should matter since it appears to 
> be running under Rosetta.  But Ventura brings in its own versions of various 
> libraries.  I rolled forward to get Xcode (for other work) but this appears 
> to have been a side effect.  
> 
> Not generally a problem except when using invoices and bills.  In those cases 
> the tool bar is so full I need to stretch the window to nearly covered the 
> screen in order to get the post and pay icons.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2022, at 7:43 AM, R. Victor Klassen  wrote:
>> 
>> Adrian has it right.  I’m going to restart and see if it’s transitory.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:07 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> It sounds like Victor is describing the ToolBar overflow 'menu'.
>>> 
>>> I can get this menu when I narrow my window width such that icons would be 
>>> 'off window' to the right.
>>> 
>>> But I can't reproduce the behavior described. My overflow entries appear to 
>>> work properly. (4.12 on Monterey)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Adrien
>>> 
> On 12/9/22 10:05 PM, john wrote:
 Um, on macOS there aren't supposed to be menus on the window, they go on 
 the menubar at the top of the screen. If it's too wide macOS is supposed 
 to make room for it by hiding  as many of the "menubar extra" icons on the 
 right side.
 So is there somewhere that I've missed setting up the integration to put 
 the menus on the menubar or are you using a self-built GnuCash?
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Re: [GNC] HOw do I get rid of broken invoices?

[Mattia Rizzolo]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:31:42AM -0600, steven stern wrote:
> Without changing any account balances...
> 
> See https://i.imgur.com/GpKSbid.png
> 
> I have old invoices that were underpaid and I just want this warning gone.
> What happened, happened.  How do I get this reminder to go away?  I cannot
> currently edit these invoices.

It depends on the regulations that governs whatever business you have,
but those are pretty much bad debts, and if you want to write-off those
you'd "pay" them against an Expenses account.

I.e.

Dr.  Expenses:Write-Offs  0.01
Cr.  Assets:AP:USD0.01

See 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/busnss-ar-payment1.html#busnss-ar-baddebt
And also similar mailing list threads like
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-March/095696.html

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[GNC] HOw do I get rid of broken invoices?

[steven stern]

Without changing any account balances...

See https://i.imgur.com/GpKSbid.png

I have old invoices that were underpaid and I just want this warning 
gone. What happened, happened.  How do I get this reminder to go away?  
I cannot currently edit these invoices.




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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 13:31, Murugan Muruganandam <
m.muruganan...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> David
>
> your transactin should be entered as follows
>
> Credit Receivable: 906
> Debit  Paypall : 867.74
> Debit expenses : 38.26
>

Now I'm a bit lost on what I should be doing.

When I create the invoice

Business -> Customer -> ,New Invoice,

a copy of which I will send to the customer, I don't want the PayPal fees
showing. So I post the invoice without the PayPal fees showing. That is
going into

Assets -> Accounts Receivable -> PayPal (GPB)
(the name might have changed slightly since when I originally posted, but
the functionality should be obvious)

After that, to process the payment

Business -> Customer -> Process Payment

I can only select one transfer account, which is not what I want to do.

What item(s) on the menu should I be using to make the correct debits and
credits to move the money into the PayPal account and the expenses account
from the Accounts Receivable -> PayPal (GPB)?
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Re: [GNC] accounts list

[Orith]

I have to enter and create each file on its on.  there is no tree.
OrithC

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 17:56, Maf. King  wrote:

> On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:42:40 GMT Orith wrote:
> > It seems I missed explaining myself. It is not the data files that I
> > am looking for. It's a new year and I can start from scratch to fill the
> > files.  When I downloaded GnuCash from the beginning it did not give me
> the
> > opportunity to build a new accounting files tree. It always did before.
> > This time I have to do it one by one on my own.
> > Is that the new format of GnuCash 4.12?
> > OrithC
>
> What happens if you choose File -> New File ?
>
> Maf.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] accounts list

[Murugan Muruganandam]

hi Orith

click on Action -> New Account Hierarchy and then chose the best suited account 
pack




Saludos Cordiales


Murugan


From: gnucash-user 
 on behalf of 
Orith 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 12:42 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: [GNC] accounts list

It seems I missed explaining myself. It is not the data files that I
am looking for. It's a new year and I can start from scratch to fill the
files.  When I downloaded GnuCash from the beginning it did not give me the
opportunity to build a new accounting files tree. It always did before.
This time I have to do it one by one on my own.
Is that the new format of GnuCash 4.12?
OrithC
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Re: [GNC] Reconciling credit card

[Maf. King]

On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:44:49 GMT Mahon Finbar wrote:

> 
> However, the original spend was allocated to 'expenses' > travel. When I
> try to rectify it as a rebate on the expenses a/c the column option is
> 'rebate' but it appears twice, as an expense and a rebate and the
> expenses a/c does not reflect the reduction in the outgoings?
> 
> Why?
> 
 The "other" account should be the bank account where the refund was paid?

0.02?
Maf


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Re: [GNC] accounts list

[Maf. King]

On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:42:40 GMT Orith wrote:
> It seems I missed explaining myself. It is not the data files that I
> am looking for. It's a new year and I can start from scratch to fill the
> files.  When I downloaded GnuCash from the beginning it did not give me the
> opportunity to build a new accounting files tree. It always did before.
> This time I have to do it one by one on my own.
> Is that the new format of GnuCash 4.12?
> OrithC

What happens if you choose File -> New File ?

Maf.



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Re: [GNC] Reconciling credit card

[Mahon Finbar]

Another possibility?

In March 2021 I was reimbursed 1,340.98 by an airline for a trip to 
Japan which was cancelled due to Covid.


In error I entered the reimbursement against my credit card, although I 
had paid it from my bank.


That would account for the 'credit' on the credit card?

However, the original spend was allocated to 'expenses' > travel. When I 
try to rectify it as a rebate on the expenses a/c the column option is 
'rebate' but it appears twice, as an expense and a rebate and the 
expenses a/c does not reflect the reduction in the outgoings?


Why?

Finbar

On 11/12/2022 19:55, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Are you trying to put images inline? They are getting stripped out by 
Mailman. Just put them in 'as attachments'.  (setting in your mail 
client)


Credit accounts normally have a negative balance. If you want to see 
them as positive change the setting in Preferences > Accounts > 
Reversed balanced accounts to "Credit accounts".


If that is already set, and you see a negative balance for *any* 
account, then that account currently has a 'contra-balance', that is, 
a balance opposite of its normal state. In this case, it would 
indicate an over-payment to the card company.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/11/22 8:58 AM, Mahon Finbar wrote:
That is what I do, so why am I getting an increased -ve balance in 
the balance column, like this?


or this?


the bank account entry looks like this, under the 'payments out and 
payments in' columns


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[GNC] accounts list

[Orith]

It seems I missed explaining myself. It is not the data files that I
am looking for. It's a new year and I can start from scratch to fill the
files.  When I downloaded GnuCash from the beginning it did not give me the
opportunity to build a new accounting files tree. It always did before.
This time I have to do it one by one on my own.
Is that the new format of GnuCash 4.12?
OrithC
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Re: [GNC] Overflow menus in invoices/bills not working in latest release on MacOS Ventura

[R. Victor Klassen]

Not transitory.  I don’t think the M1 chip should matter since it appears to be 
running under Rosetta.  But Ventura brings in its own versions of various 
libraries.  I rolled forward to get Xcode (for other work) but this appears to 
have been a side effect.  

Not generally a problem except when using invoices and bills.  In those cases 
the tool bar is so full I need to stretch the window to nearly covered the 
screen in order to get the post and pay icons.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2022, at 7:43 AM, R. Victor Klassen  wrote:
> 
> Adrian has it right.  I’m going to restart and see if it’s transitory.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:07 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> John,
>> 
>> It sounds like Victor is describing the ToolBar overflow 'menu'.
>> 
>> I can get this menu when I narrow my window width such that icons would be 
>> 'off window' to the right.
>> 
>> But I can't reproduce the behavior described. My overflow entries appear to 
>> work properly. (4.12 on Monterey)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> 
 On 12/9/22 10:05 PM, john wrote:
>>> Um, on macOS there aren't supposed to be menus on the window, they go on 
>>> the menubar at the top of the screen. If it's too wide macOS is supposed to 
>>> make room for it by hiding  as many of the "menubar extra" icons on the 
>>> right side.
>>> So is there somewhere that I've missed setting up the integration to put 
>>> the menus on the menubar or are you using a self-built GnuCash?
>> 
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Re: [GNC] Unable to download on new computer

[Orith]

Thanks. OrithC

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 5:30 PM Maf. King  wrote:

> On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:25:11 GMT Orith wrote:
> > Thanks for the advice!
> > Old computer is burned. Dead. I am unable to copy anything.  Thanks
> Derek.
> >
>
> From that, Orith, I assume you also lost all your backups and can't
> restore
> your datafile from one of those even one a few weeks old?
>
> File -> New File and a lot of data-entry may well be your only choice then.
>
> sorry.
> Maf.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Unable to download on new computer

[Maf. King]

On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:25:11 GMT Orith wrote:
> Thanks for the advice!
> Old computer is burned. Dead. I am unable to copy anything.  Thanks Derek.
> 

>From that, Orith, I assume you also lost all your backups and can't restore 
your datafile from one of those even one a few weeks old?

File -> New File and a lot of data-entry may well be your only choice then.

sorry.
Maf.




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Re: [GNC] Unable to download on new computer

[Orith]

Thanks for the advice!
Old computer is burned. Dead. I am unable to copy anything.  Thanks Derek.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 5:18 PM Maf. King  wrote:

> On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:03:08 GMT Orith wrote:
> > 1. downloaded . 2. setup. 3. agreed to have the unknown program change my
> > computer stuff (cannot recall the exact wording) 4. english as language
> for
> > setup 5. install in C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash even though the link
> was
> > there already 6. agreed to translation files and account template files
> 7.
> > set up created a shortcut 8. desktop icon and menu link - ok 9. install
> 10.
> > extracting files 11. setup 12. finish.
> > 13. opened the icon on desktop. see infront of me
> > Unsaved Book - GnuCash
> > Save - no color nothing to click onClose - black with
> > an X on the top
> > that's it!
> >
> > clicked on : file - not open and no menu to open.
> > tried:  Ctrl-O - desktop list is open, gnucash is not there at all.
> >
> > I wrote back as specific as I could all my steps. It still not working.
> > Don't mean to upset anyone, I have no idea what's going on. Help will be
> > appreciated
> > Thank you
> > OrithC
> >
>
> Orith,
>
> You won't upset anyone on the list if you supply info like that,  It is
> exactly what is needed to help you.
>
> But please do send all replies to the list, not to individuals.  I've
> never
> used GnuCash on Windows so am of limited help to you on the specifics to
> do
> with the Windows environment; other users will be able to chime in and say
> if
> the steps you've listed are all "as expected" or not.
>
> Have you done as Derek suggested yesterday and copied your data file from
> your
> old computer to the new?
>
> File -> Open (or Ctrl-O) should let you get your "GC data" back open and
> working within the "GC program", once you have put the relevant file onto
> your
> new computer...
>
> You *may* be slightly confused because GC normally automatically re-opens
> the
> last data file that it was working on, so it is not always obvious that
> you
> actually have a data file...but you do!  GC actually works (Conceptually)
> like
> a word processor in that it can have multiple data files stored on disk
> and
> open any one of them.
>
> Think of the letter you wrote last week or the novel you are working on
> (for
> example).  If you have not copied those datafiles to the new computer, you
> won't be able to open them to carry on working with the contents, no
> matter if
> you have installed a word processor program or not.
>
> Installing the program will not magically move the datafile for you!
>
> HTH,
> Maf.
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Unable to download on new computer

[Maf. King]

On Monday, 12 December 2022 15:03:08 GMT Orith wrote:
> 1. downloaded . 2. setup. 3. agreed to have the unknown program change my
> computer stuff (cannot recall the exact wording) 4. english as language for
> setup 5. install in C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash even though the link was
> there already 6. agreed to translation files and account template files 7.
> set up created a shortcut 8. desktop icon and menu link - ok 9. install 10.
> extracting files 11. setup 12. finish.
> 13. opened the icon on desktop. see infront of me
> Unsaved Book - GnuCash
> Save - no color nothing to click onClose - black with
> an X on the top
> that's it!
> 
> clicked on : file - not open and no menu to open.
> tried:  Ctrl-O - desktop list is open, gnucash is not there at all.
> 
> I wrote back as specific as I could all my steps. It still not working.
> Don't mean to upset anyone, I have no idea what's going on. Help will be
> appreciated
> Thank you
> OrithC
> 

Orith,

You won't upset anyone on the list if you supply info like that,  It is 
exactly what is needed to help you.

But please do send all replies to the list, not to individuals.  I've never 
used GnuCash on Windows so am of limited help to you on the specifics to do 
with the Windows environment; other users will be able to chime in and say if 
the steps you've listed are all "as expected" or not.

Have you done as Derek suggested yesterday and copied your data file from your 
old computer to the new?

File -> Open (or Ctrl-O) should let you get your "GC data" back open and 
working within the "GC program", once you have put the relevant file onto your 
new computer...

You *may* be slightly confused because GC normally automatically re-opens the 
last data file that it was working on, so it is not always obvious that you 
actually have a data file...but you do!  GC actually works (Conceptually) like 
a word processor in that it can have multiple data files stored on disk and 
open any one of them.   

Think of the letter you wrote last week or the novel you are working on (for 
example).  If you have not copied those datafiles to the new computer, you 
won't be able to open them to carry on working with the contents, no matter if 
you have installed a word processor program or not. 

Installing the program will not magically move the datafile for you!

HTH,
Maf.



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Re: [GNC] Reconciling credit card

[Adrien Monteleone]

On the contrary, the preference I mentioned could very well show a 
negative balance and this would be proper. (not contra)


Try toggling the preference yourself with a Liability account open and 
you'll see the balance change from negative to positive.


The question is what does the user prefer to see? (negative means you 
owe, or negative means the balance is contra)


Once it is settled as to which setting is in place, *then* we can advise 
where maybe things went wrong if the balance still doesn't look right.



Regards,
Adrien

On 12/12/22 5:45 AM, Fred Bone wrote:

It's not your preferences (unless you want to switch to formal accounting
labels, which won't change anything relevant).


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Re: [GNC] URGENT: Fake gnucash website with fake download, most likely compromised file

[Glenn Fowler]

It appears they are thinking it's a trademark violation. Maybe report back
something along the lines of this is a rogue website distributing malware
by impersonating a legitimate one.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 7:48 AM Dr. David Kirkby <
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:

> I reported this to compliance_ab...@webnic.cc, as that's the registrar
> abuse contact email. I have sent them screenshots showing the URL, so I'm
> not sure why they are asking for that. But their latest response is below.
> Given it's an open-source project I don't suppose there's any trademark,
> and don't suppose anyone has a letter of authorization
>
> Any suggestions on the best response?
>
> Dave
>
> ===
>
> *Dear Team,*
>
> *Greetings.*
>
> *Kindly provide us the following documents for our further checking:*
>
>
>- *Screen capture (Please include the reported url in the screen
>capture)*
>- *Trademark IP document *
>-
> *Letter of Authorization (LOA) *
>
> * Should you need further assistance, please feel free to contact us. Thank
> you. Warm Regards,SupportWebNIC*
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Re: [GNC] Unable to download on new computer

[Maf. King]

Hi,

what do you mean "menu of accounts is not coming up"?

"File" Menu then entry "Open" is not there?  
Recently-used files list is not there (no surprise, you said it was a new 
computer)

What about pressing Ctrl-O to open your data file?  (works on linux, at least, 
not sure about windows keybindings) 

Tell us what does happen when you try the things folk have suggested, not just 
that "it isn't working"!  (please!)

good luck,
Maf.



On Monday, 12 December 2022 14:10:59 GMT Orith wrote:
> Hi people.
> I tried again to download the 4.12 version. The menu of accounts is not
> coming up. Cannot use it.
> Uninstalled the whole application.
> Can anyone help please?
> OrithC




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Re: [GNC] unable to import simple investment transaction from qif

[David Carlson]

Ar,
Please reply to all so others can see and perhaps provide additional
information. I have done that for you this time.

I do not have an example but you can create one by exporting an existing
transaction.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 7:34 AM ar  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> I am using 4.12 unfortunately I was not able to find any example of using
> the greatly improved csv for the import of investment data.
>
> I would appreciate a pointer.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Aleksey
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 9:19 PM David Carlson 
> wrote:
>
>> If you are using a recent release of GnuCash, ie 4.something, the csv
>> transaction import feature has been greatly improved and includes the
>> ability to save and re-use settings .
>>
>> It definitely works to import investment transactions previously exported
>> from GnuCash,  so it should work with generic files as well, possibly with
>> some massage.
>>
>> I don't know if the qif import process can handle investments even though
>> Quicken can export them in that format it requires split transactions which
>> qif importer seems to choke on.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 7:25 PM ar  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying to import avery simple transaction from qif: just 2 buy
>>> transaction for the same account, containing  mutual fund 
>>>
>>> The 'Assets:Investments:X' is gnu cash account tracking shares of
>>> ,
>>> 'Asserts:Investments:' is a gnucash cash account.
>>>
>>> If I do not provide security symbol as below, the import fails when it
>>> requires to enter the security.
>>>
>>> !Account
>>> NAssets:Investments:X
>>> TInvst
>>> ^
>>> !Type:Invst
>>> D07/16'2022
>>> NBuy
>>> LAssets:Investments:Y
>>> Q34.107
>>> T-77.58
>>> ^
>>> D07/15'2022
>>> NBuy
>>> LAssets:Investments:Y
>>> Q7.638
>>> T-37.7
>>> ^
>>>
>>> I provide security as Y, the import creates account
>>> Assets:Investments:X: that conflicts with
>>> 'Assets:Investments:X'
>>>
>>> 1. Does this feature works? If Yes are there usage examples.
>>> 2. I do not insist on using qif format, is it possible to use .csv for
>>> import, are there examples?
>>> 3. It seems that csv import requires a lot of manual selections to be
>>> made
>>> for every imported file, am I getting it right?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Aleksey
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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Dr. David Kirkby]

Dr David Kirkby Ph.D
Email: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk Web:
https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
Kirkby Microwave Ltd (Tel 01621-680100 / +44 1621-680100)
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT.





On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 13:29, Derek Atkins  wrote:

> You should have three splits.  You entered 4 splits (two splits into
> Assets:PayPal:GBP).  That's why it's showing up twice.
>
> Instead, you should merge those into a single split of 906-38.26, because
> your Asset account really only increased by 867.74
>
> -derek
>

Thank you, and thank you to Murugan Muruganandam too.

Since I'm trying to learn this, I will not try merging them, but instead
enter them correctly in the first place.

Dave
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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Murugan Muruganandam]

David

your transactin should be entered as follows

Credit Receivable: 906
Debit  Paypall : 867.74
Debit expenses : 38.26





Saludos Cordiales


Murugan


From: gnucash-user 
 on behalf of Dr. 
David Kirkby 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 10:21 AM
To: GNU Cash User 
Subject: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

I am finally getting to understand this program a bit better, and are
entering my company accounts. I just want to check if this looks right for
a PayPal transaction for £906, where fees were £38.26. I'm a bit puzzled
where there seems to be two split transactions, both showing the same
information. Is this to be expected? The result looks right

Assets -> PayPal -> GBP  shows  the expected £906 - £38.26  =  £867.74
and
Expenses -> Fees -> PayPal fees
shows the expected  £38.26

Given a simple transaction has two splits, how many should this have?

Dr David Kirkby Ph.D
Email: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk Web:
https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
Kirkby Microwave Ltd (Tel 01621-680100 / +44 1621-680100)
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT.
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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

[Derek Atkins]

You should have three splits.  You entered 4 splits (two splits into
Assets:PayPal:GBP).  That's why it's showing up twice.

Instead, you should merge those into a single split of 906-38.26, because
your Asset account really only increased by 867.74

-derek

On Mon, December 12, 2022 8:21 am, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> I am finally getting to understand this program a bit better, and are
> entering my company accounts. I just want to check if this looks right for
> a PayPal transaction for £906, where fees were £38.26. I'm a bit puzzled
> where there seems to be two split transactions, both showing the same
> information. Is this to be expected? The result looks right
>
> Assets -> PayPal -> GBP  shows  the expected £906 - £38.26  =  £867.74
> and
> Expenses -> Fees -> PayPal fees
> shows the expected  £38.26
>
> Given a simple transaction has two splits, how many should this have?
>
> Dr David Kirkby Ph.D
> Email: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk Web:
> https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
> Kirkby Microwave Ltd (Tel 01621-680100 / +44 1621-680100)
> Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT.
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Re: [GNC] URGENT: Fake gnucash website with fake download, most likely compromised file

[Dr. David Kirkby]

I reported this to compliance_ab...@webnic.cc, as that's the registrar
abuse contact email. I have sent them screenshots showing the URL, so I'm
not sure why they are asking for that. But their latest response is below.
Given it's an open-source project I don't suppose there's any trademark,
and don't suppose anyone has a letter of authorization

Any suggestions on the best response?

Dave

===

*Dear Team,*

*Greetings.*

*Kindly provide us the following documents for our further checking:*


   - *Screen capture (Please include the reported url in the screen
   capture)*
   - *Trademark IP document *
   -
*Letter of Authorization (LOA) *

* Should you need further assistance, please feel free to contact us. Thank
you. Warm Regards,SupportWebNIC*
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Re: [GNC] Reconciling credit card

[Fred Bone]

On 12 December 2022 at 11:09, Mahon Finbar said:

> OK, I had forgotten you cannot attach images as pics.
> 
> I did check the a/c and afaics, I didn't pay the CC 1000 extra, I'll
> check again or adjust the preferences, or something.

It's not your preferences (unless you want to switch to formal accounting 
labels, which won't change anything relevant).

Your credit-card account is showing a substantial negative balance. That 
is, you (appear to) have made a substantial overpayment to the provider. 
Any time you make a purchase you reduce this overpayment, and any time 
you make a payment you increase it (make it more negative).

If in fact you are not owed a lot by the provider, you need to find the 
entry/ies where you misinformed Gnucash. Quite likely the original 
balance.




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Re: [GNC] Reconciling credit card

[Mahon Finbar]

OK, I had forgotten you cannot attach images as pics.

I did check the a/c and afaics, I didn't pay the CC 1000 extra, I'll 
check again or adjust the preferences, or something.


Thanks, Finbar

On 11/12/2022 19:55, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Are you trying to put images inline? They are getting stripped out by 
Mailman. Just put them in 'as attachments'.  (setting in your mail 
client)


Credit accounts normally have a negative balance. If you want to see 
them as positive change the setting in Preferences > Accounts > 
Reversed balanced accounts to "Credit accounts".


If that is already set, and you see a negative balance for *any* 
account, then that account currently has a 'contra-balance', that is, 
a balance opposite of its normal state. In this case, it would 
indicate an over-payment to the card company.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/11/22 8:58 AM, Mahon Finbar wrote:
That is what I do, so why am I getting an increased -ve balance in 
the balance column, like this?


or this?


the bank account entry looks like this, under the 'payments out and 
payments in' columns


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