Re: [GNC] invoicing

2022-10-26 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
Hi,
thanks Adrien.
I really don't know if I'm subscribed to the list or what or not.  I'm very 
inept at this mailing list thing.
It was only on my last reply that I actually found the 'reply to all' facility 
on Yahoo mail here.  And I used it.  Previously I've been laboriously copying 
and pasting the address of the list in 'CC'.  For years.   :(

Yes, I only get replies from yourself.  There have been others?
I better look see how to subscribe.  I started the question, never occurred to  
me that I might be 'locked out' so to speak from part of it.
I like the idea of the 'customer report'.  I'll think about that.
I wonder is it standard accounting practice that every sale is accompanied by 
one and only one invoice?
So that at any time total sales = total invoiced amount ?
I've seen many 'paid' invoices given to me in stores.  Doubling as a receipt, 
too. 'Do you want a GST receipt?'  say 'yes' and get that.
Never been given a 'partial' invoice, though, or an invoice with 'part paid' on 
it.
I'm not using gnu cash for generating any print outs at all right now.
For the future I want to get to where I can do everything from gnu cash.
But I also want a parallel paper system.  I'm paranoid about disk failures and 
power failures.
Right now as you can see from this correspondence I haven't even constructed an 
optimal paper system. 

For this simple thing.  A single tenant's rent.  Never mind a business with 
many ongoing customers.
Got some way to go.

:)




On Thursday, 27 October 2022 at 10:34:43 am ACDT, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:  
 
 Arthur,

I'm copying you directly this time in addition to the list, not sure if 
you are subscribed to the list. (If not, you won't see replies sent only 
to the list that don't include you in the CC field)

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You might find it much easier to just invoice monthly as normal and send 
a weekly 'Customer Report' which will reflect all payments and other 
charges, as well as show current outstanding balance, even with aging. 
(+30, +60, +90 days) It will also show deposits if entered as 
'pre-payments'. (even if you don't plan to apply them to rent)

That report can also show which payments apply to which invoices and 
which invoices are cleared out by which payments.

And yes, I'd set up a numbering scheme for invoices. You can even set it 
to auto-increment if you like. It can be as fancy or complicated as you 
like.


Regards,
Adrien

On 10/26/22 5:13 PM, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> Thankyou for that.  Just about cleared everything up for me.  I can proceed 
> with some confidence now.
> 
> I said last time it was reminding him of outstanding was the problem. I got 
> that a bit wrong - a bigger problem is when he's overpaid.
> Did I mention he sometimes overpays?  $20 or $30.  His girlfriend, too.  And 
> without specifying 'for rent' so it could be for water or repairs or whatever.
> Now if he has a credit for rent it seems wrong to me for me to invoice him 
> the weekly rent amount.  Adding to my uncertainty.
> I currently write out the whole thing on invoice:  weekly rent,  amount in 
> hand or owing,  final invoice amount.  whether rent or water or what.
> I might strip that down to a bare standard invoice for weekly rent.
> Following by an 'adjustment' line showing adjustment for current balance and 
> resulting amount required.
> Or leave things as they are.
> Considering what I've learned from you my method is fairly okay considering 
> the peculiar circumstances, this particular tenant and his foibles.
> I just need to make things easier for myself and sequentially number invoices.
> And receipts.  I don't sequentially number them, either.  I date them only. 
> And they, of course, don't conveniently match up, that's what this is all 
> about.
> I just got to get used to the idea that invoices and receipts simply don't 
> conveniently match up in any way.
> The tenant only sees invoices and receipts.
> I also see a spreadsheet I have and that's what I really keep track of things 
> with.  At any time I can see every penny paid in and by whom and at what date 
> and what the total paid in since the start of the lease was at that date as 
> against what was due.
> My first port of call is my spreadsheet. I make up my invoices from it. And 
> of course I receipt from the bank statement of what came in.
> It's checking things is always at the back of my mind.
> I would like to have something that relies on the invoices and receipts alone 
> to provide its own independent check of the figures on the spreadsheet.  I'm 
> a belt and braces man when I can be.
> Currently, as I said, adding invoices gets me nowhere.
> 
> I have to get good control and understanding of this because I'll be running 
> a small business next year.  Hence my interest which may seem a bit 
> unnecessary for such a trivial matter.
  
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Re: [GNC] invoicing

2022-10-26 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
>  wrote:
>
>  IF you were to use GnuCash's invoicing system, then each (weekly) invoice
> needs to be $300, because that's the additional amount he owes each
> invoice period.  To show to TOTAL owed you would need to supply a Customer
> Report, which takes invoices and payments into account.
>
> In your case you probably do not need GnuCash to produce the invoices for
> you.  But you COULD use them to account for it all.
>
> And yes, I would recommend you number them sequentially.
>
> -derek
>
> On Tue, October 25, 2022 5:06 am, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
>> I only have to invoice one tenant is all so it's no big deal.  But I
>> would
>> like to know what I'm doing.
>> Currently gnucash is not doing it for me though I keep an account for
>> him
>> on it.
>>
>> I know it is a bit unreal and unusual but I invoice him every week -
>> we've
>> found that's the only way to remind him to pay.
>>
>> I'm in doubt about two things:
>> 1.  Should my invoices be serially numbered and each one accounted for
>> or
>> is that totally unimportant?
>>
>> 2.   I am in the habit of invoicing for the outstanding amount each
>> week. Is that okay?    I begin to think it is wrong if accounts
>> are kept of invoices.   Because if his rent were say $300 and he was
>> behind at the beginning by $50 we could get a series over weeks like
>> this:
>>   Behind: $50.   Invoice:  $350 Pays:   $330
>> Invoice   $320 Pays:   $300 Invoice  
>> $320
>> Pays:   $300 Invoice   $320 Pays:   $320.
>>  Now he's square. But I've invoiced $1310 and he's paid $1230.  Not
>> at
>> all the same.
>>  Doesn't matter?  That's just the way to do it?
>>
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Re: [GNC] invoicing

2022-10-25 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
Thanks for that.
I am after finding proper business practice.  So I guess I should not be 
invoicing for the total amount I see as outstanding?
I should invoice for each week  and when there is an outstanding unpaid amount 
I could note that on the invoice perhaps?
Or perhaps send a 'statement of account' ?
What would you do on rent day if an amount was owing?
And from the tone of your answer I guess it's not considered imperative that 
invoices be numbered sequentially but it's probably preferable.
I have been dating them rather than numbering them.  Giving each one a number 
that is the date and adding a '1' to it for the first one for that date.  

Wanting to check things one day I realised it would be easier for me if they 
were all numbered sequentially for then I could be sure I'd taken them all into 
account when looking back.
And that's when I realised that looking back and adding them up isn't going to 
do much when I invoice the way I do.  So I came asking.
So number them and make them for the week's rent only.
If there's a water or repair bill it goes in sequence.
then I can total them all at any time and compare with receipts and see where 
we are at.
It's notifying him, reminding him, of the outstanding that's the problem.  Just 
note it on the invoice I guess.
:)
 

On Tuesday, 25 October 2022 at 09:46:00 pm ACDT, Derek Atkins 
 wrote:  
 
 IF you were to use GnuCash's invoicing system, then each (weekly) invoice
needs to be $300, because that's the additional amount he owes each
invoice period.  To show to TOTAL owed you would need to supply a Customer
Report, which takes invoices and payments into account.

In your case you probably do not need GnuCash to produce the invoices for
you.  But you COULD use them to account for it all.

And yes, I would recommend you number them sequentially.

-derek

On Tue, October 25, 2022 5:06 am, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> I only have to invoice one tenant is all so it's no big deal.  But I would
> like to know what I'm doing.
> Currently gnucash is not doing it for me though I keep an account for him
> on it.
>
> I know it is a bit unreal and unusual but I invoice him every week - we've
> found that's the only way to remind him to pay.
>
> I'm in doubt about two things:
> 1.  Should my invoices be serially numbered and each one accounted for or
> is that totally unimportant?
>
> 2.   I am in the habit of invoicing for the outstanding amount each
> week. Is that okay?    I begin to think it is wrong if accounts
> are kept of invoices.   Because if his rent were say $300 and he was
> behind at the beginning by $50 we could get a series over weeks like this:
>   Behind: $50.   Invoice:  $350 Pays:   $330
> Invoice   $320 Pays:   $300 Invoice   $320
> Pays:   $300 Invoice   $320 Pays:   $320.
>  Now he's square. But I've invoiced $1310 and he's paid $1230.  Not at
> all the same.
>  Doesn't matter?  That's just the way to do it?
>
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[GNC] invoicing

2022-10-25 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
I only have to invoice one tenant is all so it's no big deal.  But I would like 
to know what I'm doing.
Currently gnucash is not doing it for me though I keep an account for him on it.

I know it is a bit unreal and unusual but I invoice him every week - we've 
found that's the only way to remind him to pay.

I'm in doubt about two things:
1.  Should my invoices be serially numbered and each one accounted for or is 
that totally unimportant?

2.   I am in the habit of invoicing for the outstanding amount each week. 
Is that okay?    I begin to think it is wrong if accounts are kept of 
invoices.   Because if his rent were say $300 and he was behind at the 
beginning by $50 we could get a series over weeks like this:
  Behind: $50.   Invoice:  $350 Pays:   $330 
Invoice   $320 Pays:   $300 Invoice   $320 
Pays:   $300 Invoice   $320 Pays:   $320.
 Now he's square. But I've invoiced $1310 and he's paid $1230.  Not at all 
the same.
 Doesn't matter?  That's just the way to do it?

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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

2022-05-17 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
You're right.  I get just as many individual emails addressed to  me either 
way, don't I?   

But what do I use for the filter?  Can't be 'from' if I want to catch both for 
they differ.  Can't be 'subject' for that differs.



On Wednesday, 18 May 2022, 10:33:16 am ACST, Derek Atkins  
wrote:  
 
 Hi,

On Tue, May 17, 2022 7:07 pm, arthur brogard wrote:
>
> Hello and thankyou.
> I'm 'replying to all' in response to your direct email I just got here. 
> Great.
> Hope I'm doing it right.
> So it seems to me I should run two accounts with the list.  Because I like
> to see what's being discussed at the same time as I don't like the hassle
> of responding to those who respond to me in the hassly way we have to do
> it when using the digests.
> So I can have the digests to open and peruse whenever I feel like it, no
> hurry.
> And I can be running a normal email - email thread about my queries at the
> same time in the second account.
> That'd be alright, I guess?

Yes, you could subscribe twice (with two addresses).  Although I don't
really see the point of doing that.  You might as well just tell your
email client to file all the gnucash email into its own folder and then
you can peruse the subjects that way instead of using a digest AND
individual emails.  Because you still need to *find* the individual email
to reply to...

But hey, whatever works for you.

-derek

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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

2022-05-17 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user

Hello and thankyou.
I'm 'replying to all' in response to your direct email I just got here.  Great.
Hope I'm doing it right.
So it seems to me I should run two accounts with the list.  Because I like to 
see what's being discussed at the same time as I don't like the hassle of 
responding to those who respond to me in the hassly way we have to do it when 
using the digests.
So I can have the digests to open and peruse whenever I feel like it, no hurry.
And I can be running a normal email - email thread about my queries at the same 
time in the second account.
That'd be alright, I guess?


   On Wednesday, 18 May 2022, 07:19:46 am ACST, Derek Atkins  
wrote:  
 
 Hi Arthur,

On Tue, May 17, 2022 5:20 pm, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:

[snip]
> I've got this continuing problem with my inability to properly understand
> how to use this list.
> I get an email from a member addressed to me that's fine.  I can respond
> to it and choose 'reply to all' as suggested or requested in the template
> footnote
> But mainly I just get mailing list updates with a number of subjects
> listed at the top.  I look at that and see if my query is in there.  If it
> is I go read it and then perhaps, like now,  I'd like to respond to that
> particular person.
> But I don't know how to do that.
> Except perhaps by noting the email address,  noting out subject line,
> noting the text,  writing a new reply email and inputting all that and
> making the reply go to 'reply all' or something.
> Its surely easier than that.  What should I be doing?

[snip]

You are signed up to get email list in digest form, which means the list
saves up a bunch of individual messages and combines them into a single
email (digest) for you.

Unfortunately, yes, the only way to respond to a single message that way
is to reply, change the subject, and add the target users.  You should
also remove the rest of the message, so it's clear *which* message in the
digest you're responding to.

Most of us do NOT get digests.  Instead, each email arrives separately. 
That makes it much easier to respond to individual messages (although yes,
it does sometimes clutter the inbox on busy days).

Hope this helps,

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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

2022-05-17 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
Just want to thank all  those who responded to my query.  Thanks for the 
substack suggestion.  Thanks for the cautions about advice.  I'm aware of that 
aspect, don't worry.
With respect to that:  laws against giving financial advice and the danger of 
accepting such from the unqualified,  I think we need a sort of boilerplate 
text we could append to replies and perhaps even queries which satisfactorily 
deals with both aspects.
It does get tedious constantly running into it whenever you raise a question.
My queries range across a lot of subjects and finance is only one them.  And in 
each subject the are addressed to many venues - as often as not simply found by 
googling.
Its obvious that great volumes of financial information is displayed freely on 
thousands,  maybe millions, of webpages by such as solicitors, accountants, 
bookkeepers,  software vendors and I don't know what-all else. Together with 
much, much more from 'authorised' sources like the ATO,  Lands Dept,  Rev SA 
and on and on.All of them issuing disclaimers and caveats without much problem 
at all.
If they can do it we can all do it.  There's far too  much panicky nervousness 
and caution I think.  There's real dangers and there's real ways of obviating 
them.  All reminiscent of the covid madness.
That's that.
I've got this continuing problem with my inability to properly understand how 
to use this list.
I get an email from a member addressed to me that's fine.  I can respond to it 
and choose 'reply to all' as suggested or requested in the template footnote
But mainly I just get mailing list updates with a number of subjects listed at 
the top.  I look at that and see if my query is in there.  If it is I go read 
it and then perhaps, like now,  I'd like to respond to that particular person.
But I don't know how to do that.
Except perhaps by noting the email address,  noting out subject line, noting 
the text,  writing a new reply email and inputting all that and making the 
reply go to 'reply all' or something.
Its surely easier than that.  What should I be doing?


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Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 13:20:51 +1000
From: Liz Dodd 
To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Am I in business?
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On Sat, 14 May 2022 02:31:52 +0000 (UTC)
arthur brogard via gnucash-user  wrote:

> I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.

Thinking differently here, I see a red flag because there is an
unexplained relationship between the owners of the properties. I'd
suggest that these are kept in separate "books" and quite separate from
any of your personal accounts.
As already mentioned, excellent records are required to be sure that
all allowable deductions are received.

Liz


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Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 11:52:19 +0800
From: Nathan Ellery 
To: GnuCash users group 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Am I in business?
Message-ID:
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Arthur, I'm in Perth WA, self employed in own business and was using
Quickbooks 2002 to keep my records but much was in flux.
I no longer have the ability to reinstall my QB and it's on an old XP
32bit machine so I thought it was time to upgrade, so to what?
I suspect I've waited too long for QB because it might not be able to read
my old files but I wanted complete control over my records rather than the
current online in the cloud versions. I found Gnucash and my SIL is a
bookkeeper anyway so engaged her to create me new set of custom books in
Gnucash. She was already using it in Linux to do their own books.  It seems
to be working out ok. I am still running parallel QB until I am ready to
jump over.  I hope to be able to get more comprehensive r

[GNC] Am I in business?

2022-05-13 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
Hope this is the right way to introduce a new question/thread.  

I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.
We are not registered for gst and are not in business though I have an ABN 
leftover from when I attempted an online business.
Are we conducting an enterprise?  Will be be eligible to pay GST when we sell 
any of those properties?
Should we be keeping certain records?
Should the arrangement be formalised as a partnership or something?
What should we be aware of?
I'm putting my personal household expenses etc. into gnucash but not in any 
really strict or serious way.  Should I be getting that more properly organised?
This is the only forum I know of where I can ask such questions.  If it's 
misuse of this forum and anyone knows a more fitting place please let me know.
:)
ab

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Re: [GNC] Keeping tenant accounts on Gnucash - periodic 'rent owing' ?

2022-04-03 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
I am just  making this late post only to say thanks for all the input and 
inform that my silence indicates my brow furrowed attempts at understanding and 
implementing.
I hope no one thinks I am rudely and ungratefully ignoring their help.  :)

On Saturday, 5 March 2022, 06:51:20 pm ACDT, flywire  
wrote:  
 
 Excellent question Arthur. This isn't a budget issue and you have no idea if 
tenants are in front or behind unless you compare it to payments due. Adrien 
seems to have presented the GnuCash features the best using a scheduled A/R.
I've used a different approach with quickbooks for this purpose because it has 
classes allowing one set of accounts to be tagged to different tenants but it 
should be equivalent with GnuCash. Accounts include: Income/rent, bond 
(contra), Expense/water (partially reimbursable), various misc income and 
expenditure relating to tenants. It's easy to miss seldom used accounts.
My concern is A/R is a lot of work just to get tenant statements if it's not 
used elsewhere. It is similar to the issue raised last month regarding tracking 
vehicles except for the regular rent due: 
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2022-February/099785.html As 
described GnuCash has filtering on tags (eg report a single tenant) but no 
grouping (eg reports for every tenant and everything else). This is important 
to ensure all transactions are accounted for with tags.
Alternative Process:1. Upload bank transactions to GnuCash2. In GnuCash terms, 
run a transaction report sorted by say date and split notes (assuming it 
contains a tag) with payments3. Open report in a spreadsheet with sheets for 
each tenant having: Date, Due, Payments, Balance Owing4. Append date and 
payments to each tenants sheet5. Append date and amount due for each period6. 
Sort by date and payments then copy balance owing formula down for running 
total7. Check header and footer then print rental statement
The spreadsheet ends up as a template that is updated. It's a simple process 
but it's manual so it carries a risk of mistakes. While GnuCash doesn't support 
grouping in reports the advantage of open source is the whole thing could 
easily be automated under piecash to generate reports.
A dozen transactions would make a handy demo dataset.  
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash 4.10-1 won't open (Ronald Boyd)

2022-03-30 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
4.10-1 wouldn't even download for me. My win10 was suspicious of it.
So I googled and found 4.10 advertised as the latest ver of gnucash and decided 
4.10-1 might be a hacked malware.


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  1. Re:  Customizing invoices (Helmut Eller (Adrien Monteleone)
  2.  Gnucash 4.10-1 won't open (Ronald Boyd)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:35:42 -0500
From: Adrien Monteleone 
To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Customizing invoices (Helmut Eller
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Helmut,

It isn't a matter of using securities on invoices.

The Security Editor is simply where you set the smallest fraction of a 
currency. (and thus the number of digits displayed) John is proposing 
tying that setting in to be used outside of securities, in this case for 
invoices amounts. (so you only set it one place)

But that is a separate issue from Quantity. Chris is working on a 
solution for both. (while researching your Quantity issue, I found the 
same problem exists for Unit Prices, so they're getting tackled together)

Regards,
Adrien

On 3/30/22 1:31 AM, Helmut Eller wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 29 2022, John Ralls wrote:
> 
>> I'd think amounts on invoices should be in some integer multiple of
>> the commodity's smallest fraction traded--that's a property of the
>> commodity that you set in the New/Edit Security dialog--and should
>> display as a decimal with the appropriate number of places if the
>> fraction's denominator is a power of 10 or a rational number if not.
>>
>> Does that seem reasonable?
> 
> I'm not sure how securities can be used for invoices.  Anyway, in my
> case we need to split up some amount of money among seven people
> (members of a condominium).  So I thought it would be nice to use the
> original amount as unit price and 1/7 as quantity.
> 
> I think the legally correct way would be to used 143? (per mille)
> instead of the exact fraction.
> 
> Though, I must say that it's a cool feature that GnuCash uses exact
> fractions internally.  And thanks to everybody who works on this.



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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 07:53:54 -0400
From: Ronald Boyd 
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.10-1 won't open
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Hello - I downloaded the latest version and unfortunately removed the previous 
version (4.9) that I was using.  When I try to open the application the 
operation fails.  Below is the information provided by my Mac.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I rely on Gnucash for keeping my 
accounts.  I love the program but not if it won?t work.

I have re-installed 4.9-1 in the meantime.

Thank you

Ronald Boyd
boyd...@rogers.com
Canada





Process:              Gnucash [31511]
Path:                  /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash
Identifier:            org.gnucash.Gnucash
Version:              4.10-1 (4.10-1)
Code Type:            X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:        ??? [1]
Responsible:          Gnucash [31511]
User ID:              502

Date/Time:            2022-03-28 07:46:58.166 -0400
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Sleep/Wake UUID:      E322C317-398A-4B2C-9F77-4D607BC168B1

Time Awake Since Boot: 28 seconds
Time Since Wake:      88000 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread:        0

Exception Type:        EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes:      0x, 0x
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Termination Reason:    DYLD, [0x3] Wrong version

Application Specific Information:
dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries

Dyld Error Message:
  Library not loaded: @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib
  Referenced from: 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
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version 2.0.0

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Re: [GNC] How To Account For Mortgages With Redraw Amounts?

2022-03-28 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user

That's brilliant, David.  Thank you.  

I'll get to it, see how I go.  Main  hassle might be undoing what I've already 
done.
Perhaps we can make copies of a set of books and play with the copy until 
satisfied?
regards,
d
  
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[GNC] How To Account For Mortgages With Redraw Amounts?

2022-03-27 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
We have two places and two mortgages already a few years in place.
Starting using gnucash now.
How to put the places and the mortgages on the books?
And how to record the 'redraw' amounts we have paid in?

 

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re:  Report - Income Statement - Layout problem
      (Carl-Kensaku HERBORT)
  2. Re:  Report - Income Statement - Layout problem (Liz)
  3. Re:  Report - Income Statement - Layout problem
      (Adrien Monteleone)
  4. Re:  Report - Income Statement - Layout problem (john)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 23:58:16 +0100
From: Carl-Kensaku HERBORT 
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Report - Income Statement - Layout problem
Message-ID: <01221b84-d5f9-b804-dfdf-5df0d8503...@digiene.ch>
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Hello,

That's great news ! Big thanks to the developers !

My next income statement report is not due for a year (or 3 months at 
earliest).

But I will test it with my current one as soon as the 4.10 version comes 
to Ubuntu (or if it takes too long, I will download it manually) and let 
you know if it works on my end.

Have a nice week-end !

Best regards

Carl-Kensaku HERBORT
DIGIENE
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CH-1002 Lausanne
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+41 (0) 21 320 22 66

Le 26.03.22 ? 13:09, Adrien Monteleone a ?crit?:
> Carl-Kensaku,
> 
> It looks like the fix has been implemented for v4.10 due out tomorrow.
> 
> I just finished testing Chris's fix and so far it seems to do the trick.
> 
> Your P/Income Statements should line up now regardless of the account 
> depth or the length of account names.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 3/23/22 10:32 AM, Carl-Kensaku HERBORT wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Yes, I know all that. I love doing bash scripting.
>>
>> But thanks for taking the time to explain (might benefit someone else 
>> too).
> 
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 11:07:09 +1100
From: Liz 
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Report - Income Statement - Layout problem
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 23:58:16 +0100
Carl-Kensaku HERBORT  wrote:

> But I will test it with my current one as soon as the 4.10 version
> comes to Ubuntu (or if it takes too long, I will download it
> manually) and let you know if it works on my end.

Ubuntu seems to be very slow getting updated Gnucash versions, building
it yourself would be worthwhile and should be much less than 3 months.

Liz


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:35:19 -0500
From: Adrien Monteleone 
To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Report - Income Statement - Layout problem
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And there is always the Flatpak. So if you aren't comfortable with 
building, it is a bit easier to install.

Since freeze on Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy has already happened (release 
targeted to 4/21/22), I doubt it will include GnuCash 4.10, lucky if it 
is 4.9.

You *might* be able to get a special request through for 4.10 to 
whomever the package maintainer is, but that might be out of their hands.

Regards,
Adrien

On 3/26/22 7:07 PM, Liz wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 23:58:16 +0100
> Carl-Kensaku HERBORT  wrote:
> 
>> But I will test it with my current one as soon as the 4.10 version
>> comes to Ubuntu (or if it takes too long, I will download it
>> manually) and let you know if it works on my end.
> 
> Ubuntu seems to be very slow getting updated Gnucash versions, building
> it yourself would be worthwhile and should be much less than 3 months.



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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:08:34 -0700
From: john 
To: Adrien Monteleone 
Cc: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Report - Income Statement - Layout problem
Message-ID: 

Re: [GNC] How To Put Opening Balance in Acc Rev Account?5

2022-03-14 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
ufund" "hungary" "hustock" "iexcloud" "indiamutual" 
> "known_currencies" "lerevenu" "maninv" "morningstar" "morningstarau" 
> "morningstarch" "morningstarjp" "mstaruk" "nasdaq" "nyse" "nz" "nzx" 
> "platinum" "romania" "seb_funds" "sixfunds" "sixshares" 
> "stockhousecanada_fund" "tdefunds" "tdwaterhouse" "tiaacref" "tnetuk" 
> "troweprice" "troweprice_direct" "trustnet" "tsp" "tsx" "uk_unit_trusts" 
> "ukfunds" "unionfunds" "usa" "usfedbonds" "vanguard" "vwd" "yahoo_json" 
> "yahoo_yql" "za" "za_unittrusts")
> 
> kerwin@KERWIN-PC D:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin
> $ where perl
> C:\Users\kerwin\AppData\Local\activestate\cache\bin\perl.bat
> D:\msys64\mingw64\bin\perl.exe
> D:\msys64\usr\bin\perl.exe
> 
> perl gnc-fq-dump -v alphavantage 600725.
> nance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
> symbol: 600725.SS <=== requ
> date: 03/11/2022 <=== reco
> currency: CNY <=== requ
> last: 3.8400 <=\
> nav: <=== one
> price: <=/
> timezone: <=== opti
> l fields returned by Finance::Quote for
> ock field value
> 
> 0725.SS close: 3.8400
> 0725.SS currency: CNY
> 0725.SS currency_set_by_fq: 1
> 0725.SS date: 03/11/2022
> 0725.SS high: 3.9800
> 0725.SS isodate: 2022-03-11
> 0725.SS last: 3.8400
> 0725.SS low: 3.7600
> 0725.SS method: alphavantage
> 0725.SS open: 3.9800
> 0725.SS success: 1
> 0725.SS symbol: 600725.SS
> 0725.SS volume: 52256390
> 
> But gnucash did not run , it always check Finance::Quote .
> 
> [cid:image001.png@01D836B9.B832B450]
> 
> Thanks & Best Regards / kerwin
> 
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 13:32:32 +1000
From: davidcousen...@gmail.com
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] How To Put Opening Balance in Acc Rev Account?
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Arthur,

The Accounts Receivable account is an asset account which means it is debited 
to increase its balance and credited to decrease its balance. You want to it to 
have a negative balance by the amount your tenant is in credit. 
Manually nter a transaction at the date you opened the books with the following
entries/splits to create the negative opening balance xxx. You can do this
either from the Acounts Receivable or the Opening balances register.

Asset:Accounts Recievable    Credit xxx
Equity:Opening Balances      Debit  xxx

David Cousens

On Tue, 2022-03-15 at 03:07 +, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> I've opened an account receivable account for my rental place.  The tenant is
> in credit.  He's overpaid.  I need to open it with that balance.  I don't seem
> to be able to put in an opening balance at all.
> What to do?
> :)
>  
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[GNC] How To Put Opening Balance in Acc Rev Account?

2022-03-14 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
I've opened an account receivable account for my rental place.  The tenant is 
in credit.  He's overpaid.  I need to open it with that balance.  I don't seem 
to be able to put in an opening balance at all.
What to do?
:)
 

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  1. Re:  dit not run (Geoff)


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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 19:26:44 +1100
From: Geoff 
To: "xuhengx...@outlook.com" ,
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Subject: Re: [GNC] dit not run
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Hi Kerwin

You appear to have 2, or possibly 3, versions of Perl installed - is 
that for a specific reason?

(1) An Activestate installation - what are the contents of your perl.bat 
file?

(2) One or two mingw versions in slightly different locations - why?

You need to determine which version of Perl that GnuCash is seeing when 
it runs - from a *WINDOWS* Command prompt (not a mingw shell) type in 
"SET PATH"

Regards

Geoff
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On 13/03/2022 12:07 pm, xuhengx...@outlook.com wrote:
> Dir Sir / Madam,
> 
> Finance::Quote module is installed and working
> 
> kerwin@KERWIN-PC D:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin
> $ perl gnc-fq-check
> ("1.49" "adig" "aex" "aiahk" "alphavantage" "amfiindia" "asegr" "asx" 
> "aufunds" "australia" "bamosz" "bet" "bmonesbittburns" "bourso" "bse" "bsero" 
> "canada" "canadamutual" "citywire" "cominvest" "cse" "deka" "dutch" 
> "dwsfunds" "europe" "fetch_live_currencies" "fidelity" "fidelity_direct" 
> "fidelityfixed" "financecanada" "finanzpartner" "finland" "fool" "france" 
> "ftfunds" "ftportfolios" "ftportfolios_direct" "fundlibrary" "goldmoney" 
> "greece" "hex" "hu" "hufund" "hungary" "hustock" "iexcloud" "indiamutual" 
> "known_currencies" "lerevenu" "maninv" "morningstar" "morningstarau" 
> "morningstarch" "morningstarjp" "mstaruk" "nasdaq" "nyse" "nz" "nzx" 
> "platinum" "romania" "seb_funds" "sixfunds" "sixshares" 
> "stockhousecanada_fund" "tdefunds" "tdwaterhouse" "tiaacref" "tnetuk" 
> "troweprice" "troweprice_direct" "trustnet" "tsp" "tsx" "uk_unit_trusts" 
> "ukfunds" "unionfunds" "usa" "usfedbonds" "vanguard" "vwd" "yahoo_json" 
> "yahoo_yql" "za" "za_unittrusts")
> 
> kerwin@KERWIN-PC D:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin
> $ where perl
> C:\Users\kerwin\AppData\Local\activestate\cache\bin\perl.bat
> D:\msys64\mingw64\bin\perl.exe
> D:\msys64\usr\bin\perl.exe
> 
> perl gnc-fq-dump -v alphavantage 600725.
> nance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
> symbol: 600725.SS <=== requ
> date: 03/11/2022 <=== reco
> currency: CNY <=== requ
> last: 3.8400 <=\
> nav: <=== one
> price: <=/
> timezone: <=== opti
> l fields returned by Finance::Quote for
> ock field value
> 
> 0725.SS close: 3.8400
> 0725.SS currency: CNY
> 0725.SS currency_set_by_fq: 1
> 0725.SS date: 03/11/2022
> 0725.SS high: 3.9800
> 0725.SS isodate: 2022-03-11
> 0725.SS last: 3.8400
> 0725.SS low: 3.7600
> 0725.SS method: alphavantage
> 0725.SS open: 3.9800
> 0725.SS success: 1
> 0725.SS symbol: 600725.SS
> 0725.SS volume: 52256390
> 
> But gnucash did not run , it always check Finance::Quote .
> 
> [cid:image001.png@01D836B9.B832B450]
> 
> Thanks & Best Regards / kerwin
> 
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Re: [GNC] Subject: Re: Keeping tenant accounts on Gnucash - periodic 'rent owing' ?

2022-03-07 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user

I've just finally found the 'reply to all' feature of yahoo...  I'm getting 
there..

That's interesting about the mail merge.  I will look into it. Thanks.
Sound like it might be the thing.  Bit of a hassle setting up the document but 
from then on
Meanwhile I'll play with gnucash.  Learn a bit.  Make an account for him.  
Credit with his payments.  I or gnucash will debit cash at bank I suppose.
And need another account for what he owes? That increments every week - can't 
be done is what I've learned here?  And that would be an 'accounts receivable'  
account?
Where's the double entry for that?  If it increments $200 for rent where's the 
other entry?  In his actual account?  Credit acc. rec.  and debit his account?
Then if that's so how does it get wiped out?  He pays: I credit his account, 
good, balance goes to zero.  I debit cash at banks.  Good, the two entries 
match.
But the incremented 'accounts payable' remains with the credited $200 and 
they're just mounting up. 

Is that how it works?


On Tuesday, 8 March 2022, 09:57:35 am ACDT, D.  wrote: 
 
 
 With your system, you could use your spreadsheet as a data source for a Word 
mail merge document that would fill in the receipt information from the 
spreadsheet. No editing necessary, just process the single entry to a new 
document (or pdf). Probably could have a calculated cell in Excel for balance 
due as well. 

It ain't Gnucash, but it might make you happier...

DavidFrom: arthur brogard via gnucash-user 
Sent: Mon Mar 07 14:35:44 EST 2022
To: "gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org" 
Subject: [GNC] Subject: Re: Keeping tenant accounts on Gnucash - periodic 'rent 
owing' ?


Thanks for these inputs.  Hope I haven't done anything wrong.  I'm still 
blundering around trying to understand how to work the mailing list thing.
It all looks too complicated to me.  Not worth the hassle. 

I'll tell you what I"ve got right now:
  I have a spreadsheet that I enter money received,  date received,  payer 
into. It shows me then immediately which weeks rents have been pad and what the 
balance is at that rent day.
If they've paid money for 'other', i.e. not rent money, I enter that amount 
into 'other' and only the rent amount into rent.
The 'other' bit is not automated at all.  I have to eyeball it and calculate 
balance each time.  

So I enter their payment in there and see what balances I've got.
Then I go to Word and pick up the last receipt I sent them and I modify it to 
suit this week's numbers.  And save it with the date of it.  Hence I've got a 
record of every receipt sent and I've got the spreadsheet.
The receipts, I know, are not required by law because they pay by direct 
deposit.  But I prefer to do it that way.  

Now the pain is modifying that receipt.
If I could have an account where I simply enter the receipt and it shows me the 
balance and I print that out as a receipt that'd be great.
That account would have to have automatically incremented the 'amount due' as 
the real life dates passed. 

Well, two balances:  the rent and the 'other'.
That's all I'm after.
When I asked I really thought I'd get a reply saying that all such cases of 
meeting period payments, recording them, printing out statements of account and 
receipts are done by 'such and such' software or 'this and that' feature of 
gnucash.
I realise (now) I'm making things abnormal in that my 'receipt' is really a 
receipt AND a statement, isn't it?  

A plain receipt would be easy as pie.  

No.  I need more than that.  Everything has to be crystal clear to this tenant. 
What he's paid for rent, what for other, what the balances are when the next 
payment is due,  which weeks have been paid for.
What I will do is start using gnucash with my present state of knowledge and 
just find out what happens.  See how I go.
I'll use cash accounting I guess.  See no need for accrual as best I hazily 
remember my accounting. (It was over 20 years ago).  

Do we have to tell gnucash which we're using or its all in how we enter things?
Thanks for all the interest and help.


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[GNC] Subject: Re: Keeping tenant accounts on Gnucash - periodic 'rent owing' ?

2022-03-07 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user

Thanks for these inputs.  Hope I haven't done anything wrong.  I'm still 
blundering around trying to understand how to work the mailing list thing.
It all looks too complicated to me.  Not worth the hassle. 

I'll tell you what I"ve got right now:
  I have a spreadsheet that I enter money received,  date received,  payer 
into. It shows me then immediately which weeks rents have been pad and what the 
balance is at that rent day.
If they've paid money for 'other', i.e. not rent money, I enter that amount 
into 'other' and only the rent amount into rent.
The 'other' bit is not automated at all.  I have to eyeball it and calculate 
balance each time.  

So I enter their payment in there and see what balances I've got.
Then I go to Word and pick up the last receipt I sent them and I modify it to 
suit this week's numbers.  And save it with the date of it.  Hence I've got a 
record of every receipt sent and I've got the spreadsheet.
The receipts, I know, are not required by law because they pay by direct 
deposit.  But I prefer to do it that way.  

Now the pain is modifying that receipt.
If I could have an account where I simply enter the receipt and it shows me the 
balance and I print that out as a receipt that'd be great.
That account would have to have automatically incremented the 'amount due' as 
the real life dates passed. 

Well, two balances:  the rent and the 'other'.
That's all I'm after.
When I asked I really thought I'd get a reply saying that all such cases of 
meeting period payments, recording them, printing out statements of account and 
receipts are done by 'such and such' software or 'this and that' feature of 
gnucash.
I realise (now) I'm making things abnormal in that my 'receipt' is really a 
receipt AND a statement, isn't it?  

A plain receipt would be easy as pie.  

No.  I need more than that.  Everything has to be crystal clear to this tenant. 
What he's paid for rent, what for other, what the balances are when the next 
payment is due,  which weeks have been paid for.
What I will do is start using gnucash with my present state of knowledge and 
just find out what happens.  See how I go.
I'll use cash accounting I guess.  See no need for accrual as best I hazily 
remember my accounting. (It was over 20 years ago).  

Do we have to tell gnucash which we're using or its all in how we enter things?
Thanks for all the interest and help.

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[GNC] don't know..

2022-03-05 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
Not sure if I'm doing this right.  Hitting 'reply' on the email address of a 
poster that I want to respond to and putting a 'cc' in for 
gnucash-user@gnucash.org
I see some people's posts seem to have been made to 'list gnucash' or something.
And that advice to 'reply to list' etc. - what's that?  I see no such options 
on my yahoo email.  It's referring to choosing for yourself which email address 
to send to or its an actual menu choice somewhere?
And when I do 'reply' yahoo want me to give a subject.  Well what? Anything I 
'should' put there to suit the list?
Okay. That's that.
Back to the question.
Thanks to everyone for their input.  It's got me pretty well fazed.  Look like 
I'm going to have to do a bit of reading and learning on gnucash and 
accounting/book keeping on the one hand and on the other: it looks like gnucash 
might not be what I want for this little problem.
Overkill or something.
But I might as well do the reading etc. and get into gnucash anyway so I'll 
have a stab.
I feel that advice to use the business features might be the way to go so I'll 
stumble along that road if I can find it, for a while.
And I'll haphazardly throw in some posts of our normal household expenses as 
they come to mind and see how it all works out.
You won't believe this but I'm supposed to know book-keeping.  I once worked as 
a book-keeper. Used a couple of proprietary packages.  Don't even remember 
their names now.  Was so capable back then I converted the shambolic original 
system for the community onto the new package.
Hard to believe now, eh?  Perhaps it'll start coming back to me if I do as I 
say and start making postings...
:) 

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[GNC] accounts receivable for rent..

2022-03-04 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user

I'm sorry to say that I'm immensely ignorant.I have a totally blank gnucash 
open before me.No 'accounts receivable'.Could you spell it out for me or direct 
me to where it is spelled out what I should do?We have only one property.  Only 
one tenant.  Simplest possible case I guess.
I'm thinking I must:
. Create an 'accounts receivable'  account.That would be an income account I 
guess.  'Other income' ?

Every week I put the rent amount in there.  (that's what I"d like to have 
happen automatically)  Then I can print out that balance and show it to him: 
that's what you owe today.
Somehow what he pays has to go into that account to reflect that he's paid.

They pay by direct deposit to my bank account.
So what do I do?  Credit his AR account and debit cash at bank?
When I become aware he's paid into my bank account.  Then print out  a 
statement showing his balance.
That's  how it goes?
 sorry to be so thick.  I'm working on it.
ab

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Re: [GNC] Keeping tenant accounts on Gnucash - periodic 'rent owing' ?

2022-03-04 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user
No. Sorry. Didn't put the question right.  I mean automatic post to the account 
showing what's owing so that I can see (and print out) at any time (on week by 
week steps) the balance of the account at that date.
Because in fact they're frequently in the red.
And frequently in front, ironically, because they never match payments up with 
owings.  So when they come from behind they may finish up with balance of an 
amount like maybe $27.50 ,  not enough for a week's rent but nevertheless by 
law I must consider it rental money.
I guess if we credit their account with the monies they pay in then I'd be 
talking about an automatic debit of the rent amount each week.
Would that be right?  Save me the trouble of entering it on the due date every 
week.
Or am I going about it all wrong?

 

On Saturday, 5 March 2022, 08:28:56 am ACDT, Derek Atkins  
wrote:  
 
 Hi,

On Fri, March 4, 2022 4:46 pm, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
>
> We intend to start using gnucash to keep an account of our rental
> property.
> This is our first for everything: having a rental, keeping accounts, using
> gnucash.
> We can open an account for the property and enter all amounts received as
> we get them.
> We can open another for other expenses such as water, I guess.
> Can we somehow set it up so that the rent due every week is posted to that
> rent account automatically?

Sure, you can set up a scheduled transaction to record it, but that of
course assumes that the rent check DOES come every week...

> :)

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[GNC] Keeping tenant accounts on Gnucash - periodic 'rent owing' ?

2022-03-04 Thread arthur brogard via gnucash-user


We intend to start using gnucash to keep an account of our rental property.
This is our first for everything: having a rental, keeping accounts, using 
gnucash.
We can open an account for the property and enter all amounts received as we 
get them.
We can open another for other expenses such as water, I guess.
Can we somehow set it up so that the rent due every week is posted to that rent 
account automatically?
:)
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