Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[david whiting]

Here's a link to the internet archive/wayback machine version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210411043559/https://unicom.crosenthal.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
and here's a link to a different copy that is still live:
https://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-harmful.html

David

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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Maf. King]

On Saturday, 25 November 2023 04:44:42 GMT Liz wrote:

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That seems to be a dead link.
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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Liz]

On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 15:27:50 +
David Kirkby  wrote:

> Apologies for not sending to the list. Have the admins considered
> making that the default behaviour, which is the case with other
> mailing lists I am on.


It is correct that the email sent from the list could contain advice on
the appropriate "reply to", but the long standing choice of the admins
is not to set a "reply to".

Here is Mailman's opinion
"reply_goes_to_list (general): Where are replies to list messages
directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists.

This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in
messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no
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original message, it is not stripped. Setting this value to either This
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if necessary (Explicit address inserts the value of reply_to_address).

There are many reasons not to introduce or override the Reply-To:
header. One is that some posters depend on their own Reply-To: settings
to convey their valid return address. Another is that modifying
Reply-To: makes it much more difficult to send private replies. See
`Reply-To' Munging Considered Harmful for a general discussion of this
issue. See Reply-To Munging Considered Useful for a dissenting opinion.

Some mailing lists have restricted posting privileges, with a parallel
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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Stephen M. Butler]

My client provides a whole range of options:  Reply; Reply List; Reply 
All.  No default.


It must be up to the email software the recipient is using.  If they 
want a new default then they need to get a new client with the the 
default they want.



On 11/24/23 11:16, R Losey wrote:

I was not aware that the admins could do anything; I thought it was the web
page or the email client being used.


On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 9:28 AM David Kirkby 
wrote:


Apologies for not sending to the list. Have the admins considered making
that the default behaviour, which is the case with other mailing lists I am
on.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 18:25, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:


Also, please remember to copy the list on all replies.

Regards,
Adrien


On 11/22/23 3:53 AM, David Kirkby wrote:

Unfortunately that's a bit difficult, as a lot of times I buy things
with PayPal, so there's an entry in the PayPal account where no fees
need to be paid, as the seller pays the fees, not the buyer. So not
every transaction in the PayPal account needs 3 splits - most need 2.

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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 2023-11-24 11:23, David Cousens wrote:
> That is a function of the email client program you are using not the mailing
> list admins. 

Actually, it's both. Email clients may show options to reply to list, or
they may not. (My Thunderbird email client sometimes does and sometimes
doesn't.)

But there is a special header line, Reply-To, that is part of the
standard email protocol. If you simply select Reply, all email clients
are supposed to direct the reply email to the address on the Reply-To
line, and as far as I know all do.

The mailing list admins have chosen not to use that option, which would
solve the problem of people just hitting Reply and having their email
not go to the list. But I remember there was extensive discussion of
this, some months ago, and the consensus was that setting
Reply-To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
while it would solve the
carelessly-sending-to-one-person-instead-of-the-list problem, would
cause some other problem. I can't remember what that problem was, but as
far as I can recall everyone accepted that it would be worse than people
having to learn to remember to send replies to the list.

Stan Brown
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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[David Kirkby]

On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 at 19:24, David Cousens 
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> David,
>
> That is a function of the email client program you are using  not the
> mailing
> list admins.


I am on numerous mailing lists. This is the *only* one where simply hitting
reply does automatically go to the list.

Dave
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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[David Cousens]

David,

That is a function of the email client program you are using  not the mailing
list admins. Most clients will have a reply to list function as one of the
options. My client (Evolution on Linux) for example brings up a dialogue after
selection of Reply to Sender which offers the options of:

Reply Privately  --- only to the sender
Reply to All --- reply to all addresses on the To and CC lists
Reply to List--- reply only to a mailing list address

Selecting either of the last two options will ensure that the reply goes to the
list in my case.

David Cousens


On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 15:27 +, David Kirkby wrote:
> Apologies for not sending to the list. Have the admins considered making
> that the default behaviour, which is the case with other mailing lists I am
> on.
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 18:25, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
> 
> > Also, please remember to copy the list on all replies.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> > 
> > > On 11/22/23 3:53 AM, David Kirkby wrote:
> > > > Unfortunately that's a bit difficult, as a lot of times I buy things
> > > > with PayPal, so there's an entry in the PayPal account where no fees
> > > > need to be paid, as the seller pays the fees, not the buyer. So not
> > > > every transaction in the PayPal account needs 3 splits - most need 2.
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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[R Losey]

I was not aware that the admins could do anything; I thought it was the web
page or the email client being used.


On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 9:28 AM David Kirkby 
wrote:

> Apologies for not sending to the list. Have the admins considered making
> that the default behaviour, which is the case with other mailing lists I am
> on.
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 18:25, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
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> > Also, please remember to copy the list on all replies.
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> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > > On 11/22/23 3:53 AM, David Kirkby wrote:
> > >> Unfortunately that's a bit difficult, as a lot of times I buy things
> > >> with PayPal, so there's an entry in the PayPal account where no fees
> > >> need to be paid, as the seller pays the fees, not the buyer. So not
> > >> every transaction in the PayPal account needs 3 splits - most need 2.
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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[David Kirkby]

Apologies for not sending to the list. Have the admins considered making
that the default behaviour, which is the case with other mailing lists I am
on.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 18:25, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Also, please remember to copy the list on all replies.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On 11/22/23 3:53 AM, David Kirkby wrote:
> >> Unfortunately that's a bit difficult, as a lot of times I buy things
> >> with PayPal, so there's an entry in the PayPal account where no fees
> >> need to be paid, as the seller pays the fees, not the buyer. So not
> >> every transaction in the PayPal account needs 3 splits - most need 2.
>
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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Also, please remember to copy the list on all replies.

Regards,
Adrien


On 11/22/23 3:53 AM, David Kirkby wrote:
Unfortunately that's a bit difficult, as a lot of times I buy things 
with PayPal, so there's an entry in the PayPal account where no fees 
need to be paid, as the seller pays the fees, not the buyer. So not 
every transaction in the PayPal account needs 3 splits - most need 2.


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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Then I'm at a loss as even with a well crafted Find operation, or using 
the Transaction Report as Chris suggested, you can't end up with a list 
that doesn't include transactions where no fee was paid by you. Only 
*you* know if a split needs to be added for that fee. How do you expect 
GnuCash to magically know?


At best, you can find/report all transactions that have a split 
involving the PayPal asset account that don't also involve the Fee 
expense account. (which is what you initially asked for)


If this is strictly a case of items you are selling (not buying) then 
further restrict your Find results or Report to filter on Debits only to 
the PayPal asset account. (A Find can do this, not certain of reports) 
Any Credits to that account should be when you spend rather than 
receive. (assuming you entered all transactions correctly)


If the Report path is the easiest or only method that works, and you 
can't filter out Credits to that asset account, you should at least be 
able to sort by debit/credit, or in an absolute worst case, show the 
debits and credits splits individually and then you can go over it with 
a fine comb to pick out which transactions to adjust.


Regards,
Adrien

On 11/22/23 3:53 AM, David Kirkby wrote:

Unfortunately that's a bit difficult, as a lot of times I buy things with 
PayPal, so there's an entry in the PayPal account where no fees need to be 
paid, as the seller pays the fees, not the buyer. So not every transaction in 
the PayPal account needs 3 splits - most need 2.


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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Adrien Monteleone]

(face palm!)

Yes, thanks Chris! (not just for the suggestion, but for the awesome 
report work too!)


Regards,
Adrien

On 11/22/23 12:43 AM, Christopher Lam wrote:

Check the Transaction Report's Account tab.

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, 2:36 pm Adrien Monteleone, <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:


Yeah, that's why I started off with this would be trial and error level
effort.

The OP wants transactions where at least one split appears in set A, but
excludes any such transactions when *other splits* also appear in set B.

I *think* this is possible, but I have to admit, I've never tried.

I'm guessing that running two separate Finds, one from the Accounts
page, and one from the Find results register is the way to go, but I
could be mistaken.

I'm guessing that trying it all in one go will fall into the trap you
mention.

But if the result register is somehow 'fixed' to the original splits
found, this entire endeavor may not be possible.


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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Christopher Lam]

Check the Transaction Report's Account tab.

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, 2:36 pm Adrien Monteleone, <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Yeah, that's why I started off with this would be trial and error level
> effort.
>
> The OP wants transactions where at least one split appears in set A, but
> excludes any such transactions when *other splits* also appear in set B.
>
> I *think* this is possible, but I have to admit, I've never tried.
>
> I'm guessing that running two separate Finds, one from the Accounts
> page, and one from the Find results register is the way to go, but I
> could be mistaken.
>
> I'm guessing that trying it all in one go will fall into the trap you
> mention.
>
> But if the result register is somehow 'fixed' to the original splits
> found, this entire endeavor may not be possible.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 11/22/23 12:00 AM, Derek Atkins wrote:
> > Keep in mind that, GENERALLY, the search is on a SPLIT basis, not a
> > TRANSACTION basis.  So if you do a search on "Account == X AND Account ==
> > Y" you will get an empty set, because it is impossible to find anything
> > where Split.account == X and Split.account ALSO equals Y.
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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Another option is to just open the Assets:PayPal register and look over 
them one by one to see if they contain an additional split to 
Expenses:PayPal Fees, then edit the ones that do not as needed.


Regards,
Adrien

On 11/21/23 7:43 PM, David Kirkby wrote:

I often receive PayPal transactions, which get put into the PayPal account
as

Credit: Assets: Accounts Receivable (£720.00)
Debit: Assets:PayPal  (£720.00)

What I should then do is edit the PayPal account so the fees are put in the
correct place - for one example transaction

Credit: Assets: Accounts Receivable (£720)
Debit: Assets:PayPal  (£705.62)
Debit: Expenses:PayPal Fees (£21.38)

But I quite often forget to do this, so the PayPal account will not
reconcile.

Is there any way to search to find transactions going into accounts that
don't have a second split, or some other way to weed out the ones that have
gone into the PayPal account, but don't have an entry in PayPal expenses?




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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Yeah, that's why I started off with this would be trial and error level 
effort.


The OP wants transactions where at least one split appears in set A, but 
excludes any such transactions when *other splits* also appear in set B.


I *think* this is possible, but I have to admit, I've never tried.

I'm guessing that running two separate Finds, one from the Accounts 
page, and one from the Find results register is the way to go, but I 
could be mistaken.


I'm guessing that trying it all in one go will fall into the trap you 
mention.


But if the result register is somehow 'fixed' to the original splits 
found, this entire endeavor may not be possible.


Regards,
Adrien

On 11/22/23 12:00 AM, Derek Atkins wrote:

Keep in mind that, GENERALLY, the search is on a SPLIT basis, not a
TRANSACTION basis.  So if you do a search on "Account == X AND Account ==
Y" you will get an empty set, because it is impossible to find anything
where Split.account == X and Split.account ALSO equals Y.


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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Derek Atkins]

Keep in mind that, GENERALLY, the search is on a SPLIT basis, not a
TRANSACTION basis.  So if you do a search on "Account == X AND Account ==
Y" you will get an empty set, because it is impossible to find anything
where Split.account == X and Split.account ALSO equals Y.

-derek

On Tue, November 21, 2023 11:35 pm, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Maybe. That's a trial and error sort of situation.
>
> Certainly, you can craft a Find from the Accounts tab with multiple
> criteria, the first should likely find all transactions matching
> Assets:PayPal, then the next might exclude all other accounts, or
> specific accounts. (since it is most likely you would have had an extra
> split to Expenses:PayPal Fees, just exclude that match from the results)
>
> An alternative is to run the first find to get a list. Then with that
> resulting register list open, run another find to narrow it down as
> needed.
>
> Which is the best or shortest route - I have no idea. You'll have to try
> and then see what works best for you.
>
> -
> for the record, all transactions have at least two splits—a debit and a
> credit. I know why you used the terminology you chose, but I put this
> here for clarification. That will be important for you in the future.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 11/21/23 7:43 PM, David Kirkby wrote:
>> I often receive PayPal transactions, which get put into the PayPal
>> account
>> as
>>
>> Credit: Assets: Accounts Receivable (£720.00)
>> Debit: Assets:PayPal  (£720.00)
>>
>> What I should then do is edit the PayPal account so the fees are put in
>> the
>> correct place - for one example transaction
>>
>> Credit: Assets: Accounts Receivable (£720)
>> Debit: Assets:PayPal  (£705.62)
>> Debit: Expenses:PayPal Fees (£21.38)
>>
>> But I quite often forget to do this, so the PayPal account will not
>> reconcile.
>>
>> Is there any way to search to find transactions going into accounts that
>> don't have a second split, or some other way to weed out the ones that
>> have
>> gone into the PayPal account, but don't have an entry in PayPal
>> expenses?
>
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Re: [GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Maybe. That's a trial and error sort of situation.

Certainly, you can craft a Find from the Accounts tab with multiple 
criteria, the first should likely find all transactions matching 
Assets:PayPal, then the next might exclude all other accounts, or 
specific accounts. (since it is most likely you would have had an extra 
split to Expenses:PayPal Fees, just exclude that match from the results)


An alternative is to run the first find to get a list. Then with that 
resulting register list open, run another find to narrow it down as needed.


Which is the best or shortest route - I have no idea. You'll have to try 
and then see what works best for you.


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for the record, all transactions have at least two splits—a debit and a 
credit. I know why you used the terminology you chose, but I put this 
here for clarification. That will be important for you in the future.


Regards,
Adrien

On 11/21/23 7:43 PM, David Kirkby wrote:

I often receive PayPal transactions, which get put into the PayPal account
as

Credit: Assets: Accounts Receivable (£720.00)
Debit: Assets:PayPal  (£720.00)

What I should then do is edit the PayPal account so the fees are put in the
correct place - for one example transaction

Credit: Assets: Accounts Receivable (£720)
Debit: Assets:PayPal  (£705.62)
Debit: Expenses:PayPal Fees (£21.38)

But I quite often forget to do this, so the PayPal account will not
reconcile.

Is there any way to search to find transactions going into accounts that
don't have a second split, or some other way to weed out the ones that have
gone into the PayPal account, but don't have an entry in PayPal expenses?


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[GNC] Can I find transactions into an account that has only one split?

[David Kirkby]

I often receive PayPal transactions, which get put into the PayPal account
as

Credit: Assets: Accounts Receivable (£720.00)
Debit: Assets:PayPal  (£720.00)

What I should then do is edit the PayPal account so the fees are put in the
correct place - for one example transaction

Credit: Assets: Accounts Receivable (£720)
Debit: Assets:PayPal  (£705.62)
Debit: Expenses:PayPal Fees (£21.38)

But I quite often forget to do this, so the PayPal account will not
reconcile.

Is there any way to search to find transactions going into accounts that
don't have a second split, or some other way to weed out the ones that have
gone into the PayPal account, but don't have an entry in PayPal expenses?


-- 
Dr David Kirkby Ph.D
Kirkby Microwave Ltd
Email: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
Web: https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
Telephone 07910 441670 (UK) or +44 7910 441670 (international)
Registered in England and Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Essex, CM3 6DT
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