Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-10 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
Hi,

Am 02.03.20 um 05:18 schrieb David Cousens:
> It will depend upon where your 2.6.19 version is installed to and where in
> the file heirarchy the flatpak installs to. Main problem will be if the
> libraries for both versions get installed to the same locations. I think
> flatpaks install under~/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share/applications

~/.local/share/flatpak/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/current/active/files/
on my PC with Flatpak 1.6.2.

> for per usr  and 
> under /var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/applications for sytemwide
> installations. 
> 
> If 2.6.19 was installed with apt from the system repository it will likely
> be under /usr/local/{bin/share/lib/etc} where the components are installed
> in the appropriate directory from the set in {}.

again: /usr/{bin|share|lib ...} is for distribution provided and
/usr/local/* for self compiled programs.

> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak may contain more info.
> 
> David

Frank
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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-09 Thread Les
Today, when I went to price database to download some closing amounts, 
the application hung up and I to force close GC (3.8).  I tried a second 
time with the same result.  This is a first for this version of GC.  It 
used to happen often on the 2.6.19 version.


I do not know what caused it today; it has been perfect since I 
installed it (about a week ago. It would be great if you could just kill 
the price database without also killing GC.


Regards,

Les


On 3/6/20 8:24 PM, Tommy Trussell wrote:
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:52 PM Tommy Trussell 
mailto:tommy.truss...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:20 PM Les mailto:lellio...@gmail.com>> wrote:

After using the 3.8 version on Linux Mint 19.1, I find that is
much
faster than the 2.6.19 version.  I have one issue regarding
the accounts
page, I entered an incorrect amount for a payment and then
tried to
remove it (even deleting the line) but nothing worked.  I
finally closed
GC without saving and reopened it and entered the correct
information.

Is this a known bug?


I have noticed this, too; I believe it's a screen refresh issue.
I'm trying to replicate it on Ubuntu 19.10 and cannot, so I think
it's an issue with a build based upon Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (which your
Mint probably is). That's the version I use in my office.

Here's what I have noticed -- I click on a transaction and choose
Delete from the toolbar. A confirmation dialog pops up, and I
agree that I want to delete, but the transaction does not
disappear from the register. HOWEVER if I close and reopen the
register, (or maybe if I choose View --> Refresh ?) the
transaction is gone.

I have noticed a few other display issues with GnuCash built for
Ubuntu 18.04. The register colors are strange around the text,
especially noticeably on the date field.


I feel compelled to update this a little bit -- As I said before, I 
think things look different on my system now that I've installed 
dconf-editor on my Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic" system. I installed it so 
I could have a look at the GTK+ inspector and its CSS features. I 
haven't adjusted any CSS, but the application installation seems to 
have brought in a few other packages, too.


Here's more about using the inspector:
https://blog.gtk.org/2017/04/05/the-gtk-inspector/

After installing dconf-editor, I have not been able to replicate the 
deleted transaction refresh issue. Though maybe I just I haven't yet 
hit the exact sequence that triggers it. You might try installing 
dconf-editor and see if it improves it for you, too. I believe having 
it should otherwise be benign.


ONE ADDITIONAL strange thing, however...

Sometimes I want to enter data from my laptop into a GnuCash file 
that's on my office computer, so I open GnuCash using ssh:


$ ssh -X user@host gnucash /path/to/datafile.gnucash

I was surprised to see the GnuCash windows on my laptop (running 
Ubuntu 19.10) look good, even though the application is running from 
the desktop system (running Ubuntu 18.04). I naively expected it to 
have the same display issue around highlighted text. (Specifically: 
when text is being edited, the text is surrounded by a rounded 
rectangle with a thin border and a white background.)


SO I just spent (entirely too many) minutes testing some scenarios...

At this moment I am preparing a new CPU for my office running Ubuntu 
18.04, so I decided to try the same task connecting from a newly 
installed Ubuntu 18.04 client to the old Ubuntu 18.04 host.


Ubuntu 18.04 client, ordinary Ubuntu desktop: I found that the strange 
coloration around highlighted fields is still present when the client 
is an "ordinary" Ubuntu 18.04 desktop.


Ubuntu 18.04 client, running Wayland: The coloration has the same 
problem as regular Ubuntu. (However the SSH windows are quite sluggish.)


Ubuntu 18.04 client, MATE desktop: The coloration around highlighted 
text looks much better.


I just went back to the old desktop and opened the gnome-tweaks tool 
and played with some themes... the default Ubuntu application theme is 
"Ambiance," and I see the text edit problem with both Ambiance AND 
Radiance, but the text looks more consistent when some of the other 
themes. So there MIGHT be a weird Gnome theme issue with GnuCash built 
under Ubuntu 18.04. As I suggested, the default theme in Ubuntu MATE 
seems to work better.


I think I've tinkered enough with this for now. Maybe someone who 
understands Gnome themes better will suggest something easier to 
implement.


P.S.: The next Ubuntu LTS release is scheduled for April, so the 
updated libraries should filter to distros like Mint by this summer 
sometime.


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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-06 Thread Tommy Trussell
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:52 PM Tommy Trussell 
wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:20 PM Les  wrote:
>
>> After using the 3.8 version on Linux Mint 19.1, I find that is much
>> faster than the 2.6.19 version.  I have one issue regarding the accounts
>> page, I entered an incorrect amount for a payment and then tried to
>> remove it (even deleting the line) but nothing worked.  I finally closed
>> GC without saving and reopened it and entered the correct information.
>>
>> Is this a known bug?
>>
>
> I have noticed this, too; I believe it's a screen refresh issue. I'm
> trying to replicate it on Ubuntu 19.10 and cannot, so I think it's an issue
> with a build based upon Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (which your Mint probably is).
> That's the version I use in my office.
>
> Here's what I have noticed -- I click on a transaction and choose Delete
> from the toolbar. A confirmation dialog pops up, and I agree that I want to
> delete, but the transaction does not disappear from the register. HOWEVER
> if I close and reopen the register, (or maybe if I choose View --> Refresh
> ?) the transaction is gone.
>
> I have noticed a few other display issues with GnuCash built for Ubuntu
> 18.04. The register colors are strange around the text, especially
> noticeably on the date field.
>

I feel compelled to update this a little bit -- As I said before, I think
things look different on my system now that I've installed dconf-editor on
my Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic" system. I installed it so I could have a look
at the GTK+ inspector and its CSS features. I haven't adjusted any CSS, but
the application installation seems to have brought in a few other packages,
too.

Here's more about using the inspector:
https://blog.gtk.org/2017/04/05/the-gtk-inspector/

After installing dconf-editor, I have not been able to replicate the
deleted transaction refresh issue. Though maybe I just I haven't yet hit
the exact sequence that triggers it. You might try installing dconf-editor
and see if it improves it for you, too. I believe having it should
otherwise be benign.

ONE ADDITIONAL strange thing, however...

Sometimes I want to enter data from my laptop into a GnuCash file that's on
my office computer, so I open GnuCash using ssh:

$ ssh -X user@host gnucash /path/to/datafile.gnucash

I was surprised to see the GnuCash windows on my laptop (running Ubuntu
19.10) look good, even though the application is running from the desktop
system (running Ubuntu 18.04). I naively expected it to have the same
display issue around highlighted text. (Specifically: when text is being
edited, the text is surrounded by a rounded rectangle with a thin border
and a white background.)

SO I just spent (entirely too many) minutes testing some scenarios...

At this moment I am preparing a new CPU for my office running Ubuntu 18.04,
so I decided to try the same task connecting from a newly installed Ubuntu
18.04 client to the old Ubuntu 18.04 host.

Ubuntu 18.04 client, ordinary Ubuntu desktop: I found that the strange
coloration around highlighted fields is still present when the client is an
"ordinary" Ubuntu 18.04 desktop.

Ubuntu 18.04 client, running Wayland: The coloration has the same problem
as regular Ubuntu. (However the SSH windows are quite sluggish.)

Ubuntu 18.04 client, MATE desktop: The coloration around highlighted text
looks much better.

I just went back to the old desktop and opened the gnome-tweaks tool and
played with some themes... the default Ubuntu application theme is
"Ambiance," and I see the text edit problem with both Ambiance AND
Radiance, but the text looks more consistent when some of the other themes.
So there MIGHT be a weird Gnome theme issue with GnuCash built under Ubuntu
18.04. As I suggested, the default theme in Ubuntu MATE seems to work
better.

I think I've tinkered enough with this for now. Maybe someone who
understands Gnome themes better will suggest something easier to implement.

P.S.: The next Ubuntu LTS release is scheduled for April, so the updated
libraries should filter to distros like Mint by this summer sometime.

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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-05 Thread Les

Thanks for the update Tommy.

On 3/4/20 5:52 PM, Tommy Trussell wrote:
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:20 PM Les > wrote:


After using the 3.8 version on Linux Mint 19.1, I find that is much
faster than the 2.6.19 version.  I have one issue regarding the
accounts
page, I entered an incorrect amount for a payment and then tried to
remove it (even deleting the line) but nothing worked.  I finally
closed
GC without saving and reopened it and entered the correct information.

Is this a known bug?


I have noticed this, too; I believe it's a screen refresh issue. I'm 
trying to replicate it on Ubuntu 19.10 and cannot, so I think it's an 
issue with a build based upon Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (which your Mint 
probably is). That's the version I use in my office.


Here's what I have noticed -- I click on a transaction and choose 
Delete from the toolbar. A confirmation dialog pops up, and I agree 
that I want to delete, but the transaction does not disappear from the 
register. HOWEVER if I close and reopen the register, (or maybe if I 
choose View --> Refresh ?) the transaction is gone.


I have noticed a few other display issues with GnuCash built for 
Ubuntu 18.04. The register colors are strange around the text, 
especially noticeably on the date field.


Unfortunately I also noticed that the spacing of items on the register 
changed slightly when I installed the GTK Inspector (as was discussed 
on this list a few days ago in reference to CSS issues). I say 
"unfortunately" because I believe it was the act of installing the 
libraries and other components of the development tools that subtly 
changed the way the application appears, which I presume might make it 
harder to fix.


I glanced through the bug reports in bugzilla and didn't see one but 
maybe I missed it.


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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-04 Thread Tommy Trussell
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:20 PM Les  wrote:

> After using the 3.8 version on Linux Mint 19.1, I find that is much
> faster than the 2.6.19 version.  I have one issue regarding the accounts
> page, I entered an incorrect amount for a payment and then tried to
> remove it (even deleting the line) but nothing worked.  I finally closed
> GC without saving and reopened it and entered the correct information.
>
> Is this a known bug?
>

I have noticed this, too; I believe it's a screen refresh issue. I'm trying
to replicate it on Ubuntu 19.10 and cannot, so I think it's an issue with a
build based upon Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (which your Mint probably is). That's the
version I use in my office.

Here's what I have noticed -- I click on a transaction and choose Delete
from the toolbar. A confirmation dialog pops up, and I agree that I want to
delete, but the transaction does not disappear from the register. HOWEVER
if I close and reopen the register, (or maybe if I choose View --> Refresh
?) the transaction is gone.

I have noticed a few other display issues with GnuCash built for Ubuntu
18.04. The register colors are strange around the text, especially
noticeably on the date field.

Unfortunately I also noticed that the spacing of items on the register
changed slightly when I installed the GTK Inspector (as was discussed on
this list a few days ago in reference to CSS issues). I say "unfortunately"
because I believe it was the act of installing the libraries and other
components of the development tools that subtly changed the way the
application appears, which I presume might make it harder to fix.

I glanced through the bug reports in bugzilla and didn't see one but maybe
I missed it.


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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-04 Thread Les
After using the 3.8 version on Linux Mint 19.1, I find that is much 
faster than the 2.6.19 version.  I have one issue regarding the accounts 
page, I entered an incorrect amount for a payment and then tried to 
remove it (even deleting the line) but nothing worked.  I finally closed 
GC without saving and reopened it and entered the correct information.


Is this a known bug?

Les


On 3/2/20 3:24 PM, David Cousens wrote:

Les

You will need to maintain separate data files(e.g. give them separate names
identifying the version they run with) for each version as there were some
data file changes going from 2.6.x to 3.x which prevent a 3.x file working
with a 2.6.x version. I think Geert mentioned them in a post in the last
week or so.

Both versions will also store their configuration files in different
locations in your home directory see
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations. This is possibly a
bonus but changes to things like saved reports in one won't of course carry
through to the other.

You should be able to run instances of both at the same time if you want to.
Just label the launchers in your menu system clearly with the version number
as well.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-02 Thread Les
I have noticed in the 3.8 version, that the description field is quite 
large, while the amounts fields are small.  I used to know how to expand 
them but that was a long time ago.  Would some let me know how to?


Thanks,

Les

On 3/2/20 3:24 PM, David Cousens wrote:

Les

You will need to maintain separate data files(e.g. give them separate names
identifying the version they run with) for each version as there were some
data file changes going from 2.6.x to 3.x which prevent a 3.x file working
with a 2.6.x version. I think Geert mentioned them in a post in the last
week or so.

Both versions will also store their configuration files in different
locations in your home directory see
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations. This is possibly a
bonus but changes to things like saved reports in one won't of course carry
through to the other.

You should be able to run instances of both at the same time if you want to.
Just label the launchers in your menu system clearly with the version number
as well.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-02 Thread Les

Thanks David.

I made a different account file for the 3.8 version naming it 3.8.  I 
kept the original account file with the same description.


My goal is to run both, one at a time, for about a week to verify the 
totals for each major account remain the same.  Assuming that there are 
no major problems, I will stop using the 2.6 version.


Les

On 3/2/20 3:24 PM, David Cousens wrote:

Les

You will need to maintain separate data files(e.g. give them separate names
identifying the version they run with) for each version as there were some
data file changes going from 2.6.x to 3.x which prevent a 3.x file working
with a 2.6.x version. I think Geert mentioned them in a post in the last
week or so.

Both versions will also store their configuration files in different
locations in your home directory see
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations. This is possibly a
bonus but changes to things like saved reports in one won't of course carry
through to the other.

You should be able to run instances of both at the same time if you want to.
Just label the launchers in your menu system clearly with the version number
as well.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-02 Thread David Cousens
Les 

You will need to maintain separate data files(e.g. give them separate names
identifying the version they run with) for each version as there were some
data file changes going from 2.6.x to 3.x which prevent a 3.x file working
with a 2.6.x version. I think Geert mentioned them in a post in the last
week or so. 

Both versions will also store their configuration files in different
locations in your home directory see
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations. This is possibly a
bonus but changes to things like saved reports in one won't of course carry
through to the other.

You should be able to run instances of both at the same time if you want to.
Just label the launchers in your menu system clearly with the version number
as well.

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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-02 Thread Colin Law
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 18:27, Les  wrote:
>
> Hi Colin:
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> It appears that they do indeed update together.

In that case both apps are accessing the same file.

Colin

>
> Les
>
>
> On 3/2/20 10:02 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> > If you update using one version does it update automatically in the
> > other?  If so then they are the same file, but accessed via different
> > routes on the file system.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 15:56, Les  wrote:
> >> Yes, I mean the account file.  I now have two seperate account files
> >> (2.6.19) and (3.8). However, since I am not knowledgeable in Linux file
> >> structure, I have decided that I will only open one file at a time.
> >> Once I am convinced that both are maintaining the same account balances,
> >> I will drop the 2.6.19 version.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> On 3/2/20 9:35 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 23:05, Les  wrote:
>  I have just installed GC 3.8 via Flatpak and used my 2.6 version to
>  start it but saved the file to a different location.
> >>> What file?  If you mean an accounts file it should save to wherever
> >>> you tell it to save, and if you open a file using File > Open then it
> >>> should save it back to that location.
> >>>
> >>> Colin
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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-02 Thread Les

Hi Colin:

Thanks for your input.

It appears that they do indeed update together.

Les


On 3/2/20 10:02 AM, Colin Law wrote:

If you update using one version does it update automatically in the
other?  If so then they are the same file, but accessed via different
routes on the file system.

Colin

On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 15:56, Les  wrote:

Yes, I mean the account file.  I now have two seperate account files
(2.6.19) and (3.8). However, since I am not knowledgeable in Linux file
structure, I have decided that I will only open one file at a time.
Once I am convinced that both are maintaining the same account balances,
I will drop the 2.6.19 version.

Thanks,

On 3/2/20 9:35 AM, Colin Law wrote:

On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 23:05, Les  wrote:

I have just installed GC 3.8 via Flatpak and used my 2.6 version to
start it but saved the file to a different location.

What file?  If you mean an accounts file it should save to wherever
you tell it to save, and if you open a file using File > Open then it
should save it back to that location.

Colin

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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-02 Thread Colin Law
If you update using one version does it update automatically in the
other?  If so then they are the same file, but accessed via different
routes on the file system.

Colin

On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 15:56, Les  wrote:
>
> Yes, I mean the account file.  I now have two seperate account files
> (2.6.19) and (3.8). However, since I am not knowledgeable in Linux file
> structure, I have decided that I will only open one file at a time.
> Once I am convinced that both are maintaining the same account balances,
> I will drop the 2.6.19 version.
>
> Thanks,
>
> On 3/2/20 9:35 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> > On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 23:05, Les  wrote:
> >> I have just installed GC 3.8 via Flatpak and used my 2.6 version to
> >> start it but saved the file to a different location.
> > What file?  If you mean an accounts file it should save to wherever
> > you tell it to save, and if you open a file using File > Open then it
> > should save it back to that location.
> >
> > Colin
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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-02 Thread Les
Yes, I mean the account file.  I now have two seperate account files 
(2.6.19) and (3.8). However, since I am not knowledgeable in Linux file 
structure, I have decided that I will only open one file at a time.  
Once I am convinced that both are maintaining the same account balances, 
I will drop the 2.6.19 version.


Thanks,

On 3/2/20 9:35 AM, Colin Law wrote:

On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 23:05, Les  wrote:

I have just installed GC 3.8 via Flatpak and used my 2.6 version to
start it but saved the file to a different location.

What file?  If you mean an accounts file it should save to wherever
you tell it to save, and if you open a file using File > Open then it
should save it back to that location.

Colin

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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-02 Thread Colin Law
On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 23:05, Les  wrote:
>
> I have just installed GC 3.8 via Flatpak and used my 2.6 version to
> start it but saved the file to a different location.

What file?  If you mean an accounts file it should save to wherever
you tell it to save, and if you open a file using File > Open then it
should save it back to that location.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-01 Thread David Cousens
It will depend upon where your 2.6.19 version is installed to and where in
the file heirarchy the flatpak installs to. Main problem will be if the
libraries for both versions get installed to the same locations. I think
flatpaks install under~/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share/applications for
per usr  and 
under /var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/applications for sytemwide
installations. 

If 2.6.19 was installed with apt from the system repository it will likely
be under /usr/local/{bin/share/lib/etc} where the components are installed
in the appropriate directory from the set in {}.

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak may contain more info.

David



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[GNC] GC 2.6.19 & GC 3.8

2020-03-01 Thread Les
I have just installed GC 3.8 via Flatpak and used my 2.6 version to 
start it but saved the file to a different location.


Is it possible to run both versions at the same time?

Using Linux Mint 19.1

Thank,

Les

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