Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

I fear Windows 7 is too old and also no longer mainained by MS.

Am 09.05.22 um 20:01 schrieb viking...@san.rr.com:
> I am using Windows 7 Is there such a setting in WIN7? I haven’t been able 
> to find it.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[viking2ev]

@Frank,
I am using Windows 7 Is there such a setting in WIN7? I haven’t been able 
to find it.

-Original Message-
From: Frank H. Ellenberger [mailto:frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 May, 2022 08:15
To: viking...@san.rr.com
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

Another "workaround" is described in
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782850#c11
That "fixing of Windows" has only to be done once, not for each file.

Perhaps I should have sent you directly to that bug instead of ssending a link 
that again links there.

Regards
Frank

Am 09.05.22 um 10:15 schrieb viking...@san.rr.com:
> I found a workaround (in case anyone else has the same issue):
> I opened the UTF-8 encoded CSV file in Notapad++, selected "Encoding|convert 
> to ANSI" and saved the file.
> I could then import the CSV file into GnuCash without the Account names being 
> "corrupted". 

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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Another "workaround" is described in
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782850#c11
That "fixing of Windows" has only to be done once, not for each file.

Perhaps I should have sent you directly to that bug instead of ssending
a link that again links there.

Regards
Frank

Am 09.05.22 um 10:15 schrieb viking...@san.rr.com:
> I found a workaround (in case anyone else has the same issue):
> I opened the UTF-8 encoded CSV file in Notapad++, selected "Encoding|convert 
> to ANSI" and saved the file.
> I could then import the CSV file into GnuCash without the Account names being 
> "corrupted". 
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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[viking2ev]

I found a workaround (in case anyone else has the same issue):
I opened the UTF-8 encoded CSV file in Notapad++, selected "Encoding|convert to 
ANSI" and saved the file.
I could then import the CSV file into GnuCash without the Account names being 
"corrupted". 

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user 
[mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+viking2ev=san.rr@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of 
viking...@san.rr.com
Sent: 08 May, 2022 18:49
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

I downloaded v4.10, but the bug remains. It is still not possible to import 
*accounts* using a CSV file (encoded in UTF-8) with non-English characters.
Is there any workaround? I read in the bug report that importing a CSV file 
encoded in windows 1252 may work. However, I have no idea how to save my CSV 
file using Excel and windows 1252 encoding. 

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user 
[mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+viking2ev=san.rr@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of 
viking
Sent: 16 March, 2021 01:32
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

Frank H. Ellenberger-3 wrote
> right, it is on the list:
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785860 - "Export Account Tree 
> to CSV" and "Import Accounts from CSV" should use the same dialogs as 
> "...Transactions..."
> 
> Am 16.03.21 um 09:09 schrieb viking:
>> However, there is no such option when importing *Accounts*.  

Quite an old bug from 2017. Is there a workaround to be able to import accounts 
with non-English characters?

I am also not able to /manually/ create a new account including non-English 
characters. For example, the letter "å" can be typed here by pressing 
"Alt-0229". However, it doesn't work when trying to type this letter in the 
Account name for a New Account. 
Is this another bug?




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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[viking2ev]

I downloaded v4.10, but the bug remains. It is still not possible to import 
*accounts* using a CSV file (encoded in UTF-8) with non-English characters.
Is there any workaround? I read in the bug report that importing a CSV file 
encoded in windows 1252 may work. However, I have no idea how to save my CSV 
file using Excel and windows 1252 encoding. 

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user 
[mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+viking2ev=san.rr@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of 
viking
Sent: 16 March, 2021 01:32
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

Frank H. Ellenberger-3 wrote
> right, it is on the list:
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785860 - "Export Account Tree 
> to CSV" and "Import Accounts from CSV" should use the same dialogs as 
> "...Transactions..."
> 
> Am 16.03.21 um 09:09 schrieb viking:
>> However, there is no such option when importing *Accounts*.  

Quite an old bug from 2017. Is there a workaround to be able to import accounts 
with non-English characters?

I am also not able to /manually/ create a new account including non-English 
characters. For example, the letter "å" can be typed here by pressing 
"Alt-0229". However, it doesn't work when trying to type this letter in the 
Account name for a New Account. 
Is this another bug?




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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[Adrien Monteleone]

Yes, well aware of that and I have it on and use it occasionally. I also 
use key combos as you noted.


I don't always remember which option-combos produce which accent. So I 
usually use something else:


MacOS has a feature where you can hold down a key that has accented 
options and you get a pop-up displaying each of them. There is a number 
under each one. You can then type the number for the glyph you want, or 
use the arrow keys (or mouse/pointer) to select it. (this way, you don't 
have to remember 'aigue' is the 'e' key. If you want that on the letter 
'a', just hold down 'a' and you'll get the pop-up. (this might be 
something you can toggle, not sure)


When using GnuCash, I can't use the method of typing the number for the 
glyph. But the arrow keys or point-n-click works. (as does direct combo 
entry if I can remember it) Of course, using the 'Emoji & Symbols' tool 
works as well, it's just that none of those are as convenient as the pop-up.


I thought since multiple subsequent key presses are required for that 
method, perhaps it might be related. Sorry if I hijacked the thread.


Regards,
Adrien

On 3/17/21 11:06 PM, John Ralls wrote:

Resent to the list because of a server bounce. Sorry for the dupe, Adrien.



No worries.

There's a checkbox in System Preferences>Keyboard>Input Sources to show input menu 
in the menu bar. Turn that on: It includes two items, Show Emoji & Symbols, that 
actually gives access to all code points, and Show Keyboard Viewer, which shows what keys 
do what; it's interactive so if you hold down option it shows what characters it makes 
available.

With the US English keyboard there are some combining keys, circled in orange: 
`, e, u, i, and n for accent aigue, accent grave, dieresis, circumflex, and 
cedilla respectively.


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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[John Ralls]

Resent to the list because of a server bounce. Sorry for the dupe, Adrien.

There's a checkbox in System Preferences>Keyboard>Input Sources to show input 
menu in the menu bar. Turn that on: It includes two items, Show Emoji & 
Symbols, that actually gives access to all code points, and Show Keyboard 
Viewer, which shows what keys do what; it's interactive so if you hold down 
option it shows what characters it makes available.

With the US English keyboard there are some combining keys, circled in orange: 
`, e, u, i, and n for accent aigue, accent grave, dieresis, circumflex, and 
cedilla respectively.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not sure if this is related with the overload, but I noticed that when 
> triggering the accented character selector/pop-up in MacOS, I can't type the 
> number for the character I want like in other apps. I still can use the arrow 
> keys though. Otherwise, I can get most characters by remembering the specific 
> Option sequence, but all of mine are simple two-key presses so I've yet to 
> know if more complicated combos are an issue.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 3/16/21 11:21 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>> Looks like option is getting used as part of shortcuts, intercepting its use 
>> for extending the keyboard. Option-u-u opens that weird entry box and 
>> option-o operates the OK key. Option-e still works to create an accent-grave 
>> so it's just modifier key overloads. In the transfer dialog option-u-u makes 
>> a ü as it should, but option-o still operates the OK button.
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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[Adrien Monteleone]

Not sure if this is related with the overload, but I noticed that when 
triggering the accented character selector/pop-up in MacOS, I can't type 
the number for the character I want like in other apps. I still can use 
the arrow keys though. Otherwise, I can get most characters by 
remembering the specific Option sequence, but all of mine are simple 
two-key presses so I've yet to know if more complicated combos are an issue.


Regards,
Adrien

On 3/16/21 11:21 PM, John Ralls wrote:

Looks like option is getting used as part of shortcuts, intercepting its use 
for extending the keyboard. Option-u-u opens that weird entry box and option-o 
operates the OK key. Option-e still works to create an accent-grave so it's 
just modifier key overloads. In the transfer dialog option-u-u makes a ü as it 
should, but option-o still operates the OK button.


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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[prl]

On 17/3/21 13:39, w...@theprescotts.com wrote:

On MacOS, you can access all those special characters from the Keyboard menu. 
One of the tabs in the Keyboard System Preference has an option to 'Show Input 
menu in the menu bar'. Then from any app you can open up an 'Emoji and Symbol 
Viewer' that will allow you to insert any symbol or character anywhere.

Will


Did you try that with New Account / Account Name GnuCash? I just did, 
and for me it does exactly the same as entering the same thing using 
keystrokes.


Peter

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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[John Ralls]

Looks like option is getting used as part of shortcuts, intercepting its use 
for extending the keyboard. Option-u-u opens that weird entry box and option-o 
operates the OK key. Option-e still works to create an accent-grave so it's 
just modifier key overloads. In the transfer dialog option-u-u makes a ü as it 
should, but option-o still operates the OK button.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 7:39 PM, w...@theprescotts.com wrote:
> 
> On MacOS, you can access all those special characters from the Keyboard menu. 
> One of the tabs in the Keyboard System Preference has an option to 'Show 
> Input menu in the menu bar'. Then from any app you can open up an 'Emoji and 
> Symbol Viewer' that will allow you to insert any symbol or character anywhere.
> 
> Will
> 
> On 2021 Mar 16, at 03-16 19:02:36, prl  wrote:
> 
> On 17/3/21 11:47, prl wrote:
>> On 17/3/21 05:20, viking wrote:
>>> Liz wrote
 On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 03:31:34 -0500 (CDT)
 viking 
 viking2ev@.rr
  wrote:
 
> Quite an old bug from 2017. Is there a workaround to be able to import
> accounts with non-English characters?
> 
> I am also not able to /manually/ create a new account including
> non-English characters. For example, the letter "å" can be typed here
> by pressing "Alt-0229". However, it doesn't work when trying to type
> this letter in the Account name for a New Account.
> Is this another bug?
 Can you copy and paste the correct characters into place?
 
 Liz
>>> @Liz,
>>> Yes. copy/paste works but not typing the character directly. I guess this is
>>> a bug.
>> I can't enter non-ACSII characters in the Account name in Gnucash 4.4/MacOS 
>> 11.2.3 either (viking is having the issue on Windows GC 4.4). Normally on 
>> the Mac, OPTION-"u", "u" should enter ü (u-umlaut), but when I type the "u" 
>> after the OPTION-"u", a small text entry popup is displayed that covers the 
>> New Account popup's Help button, and a single "u" (without umlaut) appears 
>> in the text entry popup.
>> 
>> After that text entry popup appears, all text entry goes into that popup. 
>> The Cancel button on the New Account popup still works to get out of it.
>> 
>> Maybe GTK is grabbing the keyboard codes before the normal keyboard text 
>> entry processing is done on them.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
> Curiouser and curioser. If in MacOS GC 4.4, I type OPTION-"u", "u" into the 
> little text entry popup that appears after I first enter OPTION-"u", "u", 
> that does enter ü (u-umlaut) into the popup text box. However, there's 
> something that causes the popup text box to time out, and there's no way I 
> could find to get the text out of the popup text box and into the AccountName 
> box, not even using copy-paste before the timeout.
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[w...@theprescotts.com]

On MacOS, you can access all those special characters from the Keyboard menu. 
One of the tabs in the Keyboard System Preference has an option to 'Show Input 
menu in the menu bar'. Then from any app you can open up an 'Emoji and Symbol 
Viewer' that will allow you to insert any symbol or character anywhere.

Will

On 2021 Mar 16, at 03-16 19:02:36, prl  wrote:

On 17/3/21 11:47, prl wrote:
> On 17/3/21 05:20, viking wrote:
>> Liz wrote
>>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 03:31:34 -0500 (CDT)
>>> viking 
>>> viking2ev@.rr
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Quite an old bug from 2017. Is there a workaround to be able to import
 accounts with non-English characters?
 
 I am also not able to /manually/ create a new account including
 non-English characters. For example, the letter "å" can be typed here
 by pressing "Alt-0229". However, it doesn't work when trying to type
 this letter in the Account name for a New Account.
 Is this another bug?
>>> Can you copy and paste the correct characters into place?
>>> 
>>> Liz
>> @Liz,
>> Yes. copy/paste works but not typing the character directly. I guess this is
>> a bug.
> I can't enter non-ACSII characters in the Account name in Gnucash 4.4/MacOS 
> 11.2.3 either (viking is having the issue on Windows GC 4.4). Normally on the 
> Mac, OPTION-"u", "u" should enter ü (u-umlaut), but when I type the "u" after 
> the OPTION-"u", a small text entry popup is displayed that covers the New 
> Account popup's Help button, and a single "u" (without umlaut) appears in the 
> text entry popup.
> 
> After that text entry popup appears, all text entry goes into that popup. The 
> Cancel button on the New Account popup still works to get out of it.
> 
> Maybe GTK is grabbing the keyboard codes before the normal keyboard text 
> entry processing is done on them.
> 
> Peter
> 
Curiouser and curioser. If in MacOS GC 4.4, I type OPTION-"u", "u" into the 
little text entry popup that appears after I first enter OPTION-"u", "u", that 
does enter ü (u-umlaut) into the popup text box. However, there's something 
that causes the popup text box to time out, and there's no way I could find to 
get the text out of the popup text box and into the AccountName box, not even 
using copy-paste before the timeout.

Peter

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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[prl]

On 17/3/21 11:47, prl wrote:

On 17/3/21 05:20, viking wrote:

Liz wrote

On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 03:31:34 -0500 (CDT)
viking 
viking2ev@.rr
 wrote:


Quite an old bug from 2017. Is there a workaround to be able to import
accounts with non-English characters?

I am also not able to /manually/ create a new account including
non-English characters. For example, the letter "å" can be typed here
by pressing "Alt-0229". However, it doesn't work when trying to type
this letter in the Account name for a New Account.
Is this another bug?

Can you copy and paste the correct characters into place?

Liz

@Liz,
Yes. copy/paste works but not typing the character directly. I guess 
this is

a bug.
I can't enter non-ACSII characters in the Account name in Gnucash 
4.4/MacOS 11.2.3 either (viking is having the issue on Windows GC 
4.4). Normally on the Mac, OPTION-"u", "u" should enter ü (u-umlaut), 
but when I type the "u" after the OPTION-"u", a small text entry popup 
is displayed that covers the New Account popup's Help button, and a 
single "u" (without umlaut) appears in the text entry popup.


After that text entry popup appears, all text entry goes into that 
popup. The Cancel button on the New Account popup still works to get 
out of it.


Maybe GTK is grabbing the keyboard codes before the normal keyboard 
text entry processing is done on them.


Peter

Curiouser and curioser. If in MacOS GC 4.4, I type OPTION-"u", "u" into 
the little text entry popup that appears after I first enter OPTION-"u", 
"u", that does enter ü (u-umlaut) into the popup text box. However, 
there's something that causes the popup text box to time out, and 
there's no way I could find to get the text out of the popup text box 
and into the AccountName box, not even using copy-paste before the timeout.


Peter

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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[prl]

On 17/3/21 05:20, viking wrote:

Liz wrote

On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 03:31:34 -0500 (CDT)
viking 
viking2ev@.rr
 wrote:


Quite an old bug from 2017. Is there a workaround to be able to import
accounts with non-English characters?

I am also not able to /manually/ create a new account including
non-English characters. For example, the letter "å" can be typed here
by pressing "Alt-0229". However, it doesn't work when trying to type
this letter in the Account name for a New Account.
Is this another bug?

Can you copy and paste the correct characters into place?

Liz

@Liz,
Yes. copy/paste works but not typing the character directly. I guess this is
a bug.
I can't enter non-ACSII characters in the Account name in Gnucash 
4.4/MacOS 11.2.3 either (viking is having the issue on Windows GC 4.4). 
Normally on the Mac, OPTION-"u", "u" should enter ü (u-umlaut), but when 
I type the "u" after the OPTION-"u", a small text entry popup is 
displayed that covers the New Account popup's Help button, and a single 
"u" (without umlaut) appears in the text entry popup.


After that text entry popup appears, all text entry goes into that 
popup. The Cancel button on the New Account popup still works to get out 
of it.


Maybe GTK is grabbing the keyboard codes before the normal keyboard text 
entry processing is done on them.


Peter

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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

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Liz wrote
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 03:31:34 -0500 (CDT)
> viking 

> viking2ev@.rr

>  wrote:
> 
>> Quite an old bug from 2017. Is there a workaround to be able to import
>> accounts with non-English characters?
>> 
>> I am also not able to /manually/ create a new account including
>> non-English characters. For example, the letter "å" can be typed here
>> by pressing "Alt-0229". However, it doesn't work when trying to type
>> this letter in the Account name for a New Account. 
>> Is this another bug?
> 
> Can you copy and paste the correct characters into place?
> 
> Liz

@Liz,
Yes. copy/paste works but not typing the character directly. I guess this is
a bug.



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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[Liz]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 03:31:34 -0500 (CDT)
viking  wrote:

> Quite an old bug from 2017. Is there a workaround to be able to import
> accounts with non-English characters?
> 
> I am also not able to /manually/ create a new account including
> non-English characters. For example, the letter "å" can be typed here
> by pressing "Alt-0229". However, it doesn't work when trying to type
> this letter in the Account name for a New Account. 
> Is this another bug?

Can you copy and paste the correct characters into place?

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[viking]

Frank H. Ellenberger-3 wrote
> right, it is on the list:
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785860 - "Export Account Tree
> to CSV" and "Import Accounts from CSV" should use the same dialogs as
> "...Transactions..."
> 
> Am 16.03.21 um 09:09 schrieb viking:
>> However, there is no such option when importing *Accounts*.  

Quite an old bug from 2017. Is there a workaround to be able to import
accounts with non-English characters?

I am also not able to /manually/ create a new account including non-English
characters. For example, the letter "å" can be typed here by pressing
"Alt-0229". However, it doesn't work when trying to type this letter in the
Account name for a New Account. 
Is this another bug?




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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

right, it is on the list:
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785860 - "Export Account Tree
to CSV" and "Import Accounts from CSV" should use the same dialogs as
"...Transactions..."

Am 16.03.21 um 09:09 schrieb viking:
> However, there is no such option when importing *Accounts*.  
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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[viking]

Jim DeLaHunt wrote
> On 2021-03-15 22:39, viking wrote:
> 
>> There does nto appear to be an option in GnuCash to select UTF-8 when
>> importing?
> 
> According to the GnuCash Help documentation, section 6.16.5. "Import 
> CSV" (https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=help 
> https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4lang=Cdoc=help;),
> the CSV 
> importer has a "CSV Import Preview" pane which includes an "Encoding". 
> Set this to UTF-8.
> 
> If what you author as Startvärde gets imported as Startvärde, that 
> sounds like your CSV Import Preview setting for Encoding is actually 
> ISO8859/1 or something like that.
> 
> Best regards,
>   —Jim DeLaHunt
> 
> 
> ___

When I import *Transactions* from a CVS file, I can indeed set the encoding
to UTF-8.
However, there is no such option when importing *Accounts*.  
Thus, importing Accounts with non-English characters gets "corrupted" .




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Re: [GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[Jim DeLaHunt]

On 2021-03-15 22:39, viking wrote:


There does nto appear to be an option in GnuCash to select UTF-8 when importing?


According to the GnuCash Help documentation, section 6.16.5. "Import 
CSV" (https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4=C=help 
), the CSV 
importer has a "CSV Import Preview" pane which includes an "Encoding". 
Set this to UTF-8.


If what you author as Startvärde gets imported as Startvärde, that 
sounds like your CSV Import Preview setting for Encoding is actually 
ISO8859/1 or something like that.


Best regards,
 —Jim DeLaHunt


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[GNC] Importing Accounts with non-English Characters

[viking]

When I import accounts in a CSV file that contains non-English characters
they are "corrupted".
For example, 
Startvärde => Startvärde 

As a test, I exported accounts (with non-English characters) to a CSV file.
The exported accounts look OK in the CSV file. I then imported the file that
I just exported, and the characters are "corrupted". 

When I open the exported CSV file in Excel, I need to select UTF-8 to avoid
"corruption". There does nto appear to be an option in GnuCash to select
UTF-8 when importing?

I tested on v3.11 and v4.4



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