Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[Colin Law]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 10:25, Finbar Mahon  wrote:
>
> Often the justification for not having undo in accounting software  is
> security. Maybe an option to edit the starting balance?
>
> I know that it is there to manage the reconciliation process, but errors
> in transaction entries can modify the starting balance.

The starting balance in the Reconcile dialog *must* be the total of
all reconciled transactions in the account. If it is not correct that
means that an error has been introduced into the accounts, that must
be corrected.  If it is considered not worth finding exactly what the
previous error is then a correction transaction can be added and
reconciled that will adjust the balance accordingly.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[Finbar Mahon]

Often the justification for not having undo in accounting software  is 
security. Maybe an option to edit the starting balance?


I know that it is there to manage the reconciliation process, but errors 
in transaction entries can modify the starting balance.


Finbar

On 31/01/2019 10:08, Bert Riding wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 13:30:47 -0500
Elmar  wrote:


I bet the ability to  have a few levels of "undo" is on the desired
enhancements list, no?  I certainly have cursed a few times when I
hit delete by mistake.

- Elmar

On 1/30/19 12:00 PM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote:

Message: 9 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 12:17:20 + From: Colin Law  >
 ... Once you have deleted a transaction then it

  > is gone, so you won't be able to find it in by filtering.
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If you can reload your data file before it's saved or auto-saved, you
can undo all transactions back to the last save.


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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[Elmar]

Found it - thanks :)

On 1/31/19 1:10 PM, David Carlson wrote:


On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 11:28 AM Elmar > wrote:


I'm running 2.6.12; that setting does not exist in the
preferences.  The
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup says that this folder HOME

/.gconf/apps/gnucash/

should exist, but it does not, nor is there any gsettings file in
HOME
/.gnucash
(Linux Mint 18.3 btw).  - Elmar

On 1/31/19 4:14 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 09:08, Elmar mailto:etsc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Open simultaneously - that sounds dangerous to my galloping
senility :)
>> Normally I run into this when I have been working on the file
for an
>> hour or so, having done some 20 or 30 operations e.g. end of month
>> multiple bank statement reconciles, then I screw up something. 
A quick
>> ctrl-z would save a whole lot of grief.
> Configure Auto Save to save the file every 5 minutes. Then you
should
> not need to go back and redo more than that.  Unless you are unlucky
> enough to make an erroneous change and by coincidence it immediately
> saves before you have time to close without saving.
>
> Colin
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I believe the AutoSave feature has been present for many years under 
Edit > Preferences > General > Files and should be in 2.6.12.  The 
problem with that is that it freezes the UI during the save, which can 
take more than a minute for some combinations of data file size and 
locations of program, user and data.  Twenty percent or more 
unavailability is not acceptable.  Worse, Auto means that it happens 
exactly when the quarterback has the ball, the defensive line is 
breaking through, the receivers are all covered with flypaper and the 
TV replay cameras are not properly aimed.


That is why I choose manually when I want my backups.

David Carlson

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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[David Carlson]

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 11:28 AM Elmar  wrote:

> I'm running 2.6.12; that setting does not exist in the preferences.  The
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup says that this folder HOME
> /.gconf/apps/gnucash/
>
> should exist, but it does not, nor is there any gsettings file in HOME
> /.gnucash
> (Linux Mint 18.3 btw).  - Elmar
>
> On 1/31/19 4:14 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> > On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 09:08, Elmar  wrote:
> >> Open simultaneously - that sounds dangerous to my galloping senility :)
> >> Normally I run into this when I have been working on the file for an
> >> hour or so, having done some 20 or 30 operations e.g. end of month
> >> multiple bank statement reconciles, then I screw up something.  A quick
> >> ctrl-z would save a whole lot of grief.
> > Configure Auto Save to save the file every 5 minutes.  Then you should
> > not need to go back and redo more than that.  Unless you are unlucky
> > enough to make an erroneous change and by coincidence it immediately
> > saves before you have time to close without saving.
> >
> > Colin
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I believe the AutoSave feature has been present for many years under Edit >
Preferences > General > Files  and should be in 2.6.12.  The problem with
that is that it freezes the UI during the save, which can take more than a
minute for some combinations of data file size and locations of program,
user and data.  Twenty percent or more unavailability is not acceptable.
Worse, Auto means that it happens exactly when the quarterback has the
ball, the defensive line is breaking through, the receivers are all covered
with flypaper and the TV replay cameras are not properly aimed.

That is why I choose manually when I want my backups.

David Carlson
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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[Elmar]

I'm running 2.6.12; that setting does not exist in the preferences.  The 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup says that this folder HOME 
/.gconf/apps/gnucash/ 
should exist, but it does not, nor is there any gsettings file in HOME 
/.gnucash  
(Linux Mint 18.3 btw).  - Elmar


On 1/31/19 4:14 AM, Colin Law wrote:

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 09:08, Elmar  wrote:

Open simultaneously - that sounds dangerous to my galloping senility :)
Normally I run into this when I have been working on the file for an
hour or so, having done some 20 or 30 operations e.g. end of month
multiple bank statement reconciles, then I screw up something.  A quick
ctrl-z would save a whole lot of grief.

Configure Auto Save to save the file every 5 minutes.  Then you should
not need to go back and redo more than that.  Unless you are unlucky
enough to make an erroneous change and by coincidence it immediately
saves before you have time to close without saving.

Colin

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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[Bert Riding]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 13:30:47 -0500
Elmar  wrote:

> I bet the ability to  have a few levels of "undo" is on the desired 
> enhancements list, no?  I certainly have cursed a few times when I
> hit delete by mistake.
> 
> - Elmar
> 
> On 1/30/19 12:00 PM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote:
> > Message: 9 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 12:17:20 + From: Colin Law  >
> >  ... Once you have deleted a transaction then it 
>  > is gone, so you won't be able to find it in by filtering.  
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If you can reload your data file before it's saved or auto-saved, you
can undo all transactions back to the last save.

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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[Colin Law]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 09:08, Elmar  wrote:
>
> Open simultaneously - that sounds dangerous to my galloping senility :)
> Normally I run into this when I have been working on the file for an
> hour or so, having done some 20 or 30 operations e.g. end of month
> multiple bank statement reconciles, then I screw up something.  A quick
> ctrl-z would save a whole lot of grief.

Configure Auto Save to save the file every 5 minutes.  Then you should
not need to go back and redo more than that.  Unless you are unlucky
enough to make an erroneous change and by coincidence it immediately
saves before you have time to close without saving.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[Elmar]

Open simultaneously - that sounds dangerous to my galloping senility :) 
Normally I run into this when I have been working on the file for an 
hour or so, having done some 20 or 30 operations e.g. end of month 
multiple bank statement reconciles, then I screw up something.  A quick 
ctrl-z would save a whole lot of grief.


- Elmar

On 1/30/19 6:09 PM, David Carlson wrote:

Elmar,

True, but if you have been keeping backups you can open a backup file 
simultaneously with your data file, find the eroneously deleted 
transaction, copy it [Transaction > Copy], return to the main file and 
paste it back in [Transaction > Paste Transaction].


I do this a few times each year when I screw up.

Warning!  when you do this, close the backup file before closing the 
main file, to avoid corrupting certain settings or accidentally 
switching to the backup the next time you open GnuCash.


On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 12:32 PM Elmar > wrote:


I bet the ability to  have a few levels of "undo" is on the desired
enhancements list, no?  I certainly have cursed a few times when I
hit
delete by mistake.

- Elmar

On 1/30/19 12:00 PM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org
 wrote:
> Message: 9 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 12:17:20 + From: Colin
Law  > mailto:clan...@gmail.com>> ... Once you
have deleted a transaction then it
 > is gone, so you won't be able to find it in by filtering.
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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[Liz]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 13:30:47 -0500
Elmar  wrote:

> I bet the ability to  have a few levels of "undo" is on the desired 
> enhancements list, no?  I certainly have cursed a few times when I
> hit delete by mistake.
> 
> - Elmar

Are you running with warnings unset?
Actions > Reset All Warnings can put another step in before you delete
some things.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[David Carlson]

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 9:42 PM Elmar  wrote:

> Open simultaneously - that sounds dangerous to my galloping senility :)
> Normally I run into this when I have been working on the file for an
> hour or so, having done some 20 or 30 operations e.g. end of month
> multiple bank statement reconciles, then I screw up something.  A quick
> ctrl-z would save a whole lot of grief.
>
> - Elmar
>
>
>
You are certainly welcome to ask for it, but it has been in Bugzilla for
over a decade [I bet, but cannot verify right now] without action from the
few active developers.   The scenario you describe is exactly when my
action plan to save before every import, every reconcile, and every 31
minutes pays off.

David Carlson
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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[David Cousens]

Elmar,

Perhaps a strategy to try when you find a transaction in an account you are
reconciling which does not belong in that account is to change the split to
the account you are reconciling to the Imbalance account rather than
deleting the transaction. This allows you to complete the reconciliation and
the presence of the transaction to the Imbalance account flags that it needs
some examination to determine which account the split should have been
assigned to. If you then find that it is a duplicate or mistake it can then
be deleted. I retain any transactions like this in the Imbalance until my
bank accounts, credit card and paypal account have all been reconciled for
the same period then only delete them when I am sure it is an error.

An undo facility is more than likely a no-no from an accounting perspective.
If an accountant finds a mistake usually he will apply an adjusting
transaction duly annotated to correct the mistake, particularly where the
mistake might be in a previous period as this provides an audit trail and
auditors won't like transactions which have been changed without good reason
if they detect them. This isn't important for personal finances obviously.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[David Carlson]

Elmar,

True, but if you have been keeping backups you can open a backup file
simultaneously with your data file, find the eroneously deleted
transaction, copy it [Transaction > Copy], return to the main file and
paste it back in [Transaction > Paste Transaction].

I do this a few times each year when I screw up.

Warning!  when you do this, close the backup file before closing the main
file, to avoid corrupting certain settings or accidentally switching to the
backup the next time you open GnuCash.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 12:32 PM Elmar  wrote:

> I bet the ability to  have a few levels of "undo" is on the desired
> enhancements list, no?  I certainly have cursed a few times when I hit
> delete by mistake.
>
> - Elmar
>
> On 1/30/19 12:00 PM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote:
> > Message: 9 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 12:17:20 + From: Colin Law  > <
> clan...@gmail.com> ... Once you have deleted a transaction then it
>  > is gone, so you won't be able to find it in by filtering.
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[GNC] undo needed, was Re: Reconciliation is not adding up correctly

[Elmar]

I bet the ability to  have a few levels of "undo" is on the desired 
enhancements list, no?  I certainly have cursed a few times when I hit 
delete by mistake.


- Elmar

On 1/30/19 12:00 PM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote:
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 12:17:20 + From: Colin Law  >  ... Once you have deleted a transaction then it 

> is gone, so you won't be able to find it in by filtering.
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