Re: How to have correct citation of gnumeric

2016-01-30 Thread David Benfell 


On 01/30/2016 04:13 AM, Adrian Custer wrote:
> Absolutely not!
>
> The Gnome Foundation was not alive when the majority of the work on
> Gnumeric was done. Also, as a historical aside, the "Gnome Project"
> was guaranteed, when the foundation was formed, that the foundation
> would not *become* the project but merely provide legal, financial,
> and organizational support to the project. Despite the warnings from
> those of us against the formation of the foundation, the foundation
> immediately started changing the vision of itself to the point that
> the project and the foundation are now confused.
>
Thank you very much for the correction. I was pretty sure I would be
missing at least one level of nuance (umm, I really want a stronger word
here) in all of this, which led me to hesitate to intervene. But then I
saw what seemed to be a misunderstanding of the original request which
led me to feel I had no choice. ;-)

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Re: How to have correct citation of gnumeric

2016-01-30 Thread Adrian Custer 

On 1/29/16 11:01 PM, David Benfell wrote:

As I'm understanding Gabriela, Tim is right. She needs the information
for a citation for Gnumeric itself. She supplied the corresponding
information for R to illustrate what she needs (and in a citation style
that I'm personally unfamiliar with).


Yes, that seems to be the original request.



Since there is no formally published document describing the Gnumeric 
project, I would suggest the following:


Author:  The Gnome Project.
Title:   "The Gnumeric Spreadsheet: Free, Fast, Accurate --- pick any
  three"
URL: http://www.gnumeric.org
Date:~release date of version used~
Version: ~this should be included for any scientific work~

So you would end up with:

\bold{The Gnome Project} \it{The Gnumeric Spreadsheet: Free, Fast, 
Accurate --- pick any three}, version 1.12.26, 
\texttt{http://www.gnumeric.org} 2015.


or some such; the formatting will depend on the place the citation is 
published since usually each publisher or university imposes its own 
formatting rules.


Does that sound reasonable to everyone?




I think what she is most likely missing is an author or organization
that is responsible for Gnumeric and another one that publishes it. As I
was looking around in her response to her question, I think the Gnome
Foundation (if I'm remembering the name right) might be listed as a
publisher; sometimes this can also be used in place of the author.


Absolutely not!

The Gnome Foundation was not alive when the majority of the work on 
Gnumeric was done. Also, as a historical aside, the "Gnome Project" was 
guaranteed, when the foundation was formed, that the foundation would 
not *become* the project but merely provide legal, financial, and 
organizational support to the project. Despite the warnings from those 
of us against the formation of the foundation, the foundation 
immediately started changing the vision of itself to the point that the 
project and the foundation are now confused.



Hope that helps,
  ~adrian

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Re: How to have correct citation of gnumeric

2016-01-29 Thread Morten Welinder 
We do not have a standard way of doing that, but mirroring what R does
and pointing to www.gnumeric.org would be reasonable.

Morten


On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Gabriela Hoff  wrote:
> Dear Sir or Madam
>
> I am using R statisitcal tookit and Gnumeric to perform statistical analysis
> to a paper and I would like to have the correct citation to gnumeric in this
> paper.
> I am using the statistical package of the last gnumeric version available.
>
> To R I was able to retrieve the infomration:
> "[31] R Core Team. R: A language and environment for statistical computing.
> R Foundation for Statistical Computing, Vienna, Austria. URL
> http://www.R-project.org/. (2014)."
>
> I tried to find information in the webpage but I didn't succeed.
> Would you, please, send me the directions to find the correct citation?
>
> Thank you in advance,
> --
> Gabriela Hoff
> Dra. Biociência Nucleares - Física Médica
> Fone: 51 8588
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Re: How to have correct citation of gnumeric

2016-01-29 Thread ken 
I was referring specifically to the R package.  Much the same-- credits 
and copyrights etc.-- for gnumeric would likewise be found in the files 
which came in the gnumeric package.



On 01/29/2016 07:22 AM, ken wrote:

If she's after names of people, that's going to be a few names.  This is
open source, after all.  But in that case in the package itself (and I
don't know which one she used) she should go through the files contained
in that package.  I just looked quickly through them and there are
especially files called README*, CITATION, COPYRIGHTS, and probably
others containing names of people who contributed effort.  The CITATION
files contain citations to scholarly journal articles... maybe that's
what she's after???  And there may be yet other files she would want to
see.  There are a lot of *.html files too in that package.  Anyway,
maybe she needs to look in the files already installed on her computer.


On 01/29/2016 06:26 AM, Tim Schofield wrote:

Ken, I think Gabriela is asking how Gnumeric should be credited in the
paper they are publishing.

Tim

On 29 January 2016 at 10:59, ken  wrote:

On 01/28/2016 11:33 AM, Gabriela Hoff wrote:


Dear Sir or Madam

I am using R statisitcal tookit and Gnumeric to perform statistical
analysis to a paper and I would like to have the correct citation to
gnumeric in this paper.
I am using the statistical package of the last gnumeric version
available.

To R I was able to retrieve the infomration:
"[31] R Core Team. R: A language and environment for statistical
computing. R Foundation for Statistical Computing, Vienna, Austria. URL
http://www.R-project.org/. (2014)."

I tried to find information in the webpage but I didn't succeed.
Would you, please, send me the directions to find the correct citation?

Thank you in advance,
--
Gabriela Hoff
Dra. Biociência Nucleares - Física Médica
Fone: 51 8588



Gabriela,

I don't understand what sort of citation you're seeking or what that
citation is meant to verify or support.  Perhaps you could explain this
more...?

In the off-chance it might be helpful, here's the entry for R-core
included
in the RPM package:

---
$ rpm -qi R-core
Name: R-core   Relocations: (not
relocatable)
Version : 3.2.3 Vendor: Fedora Project
Release : 1.el5 Build Date: Fri 11 Dec 2015
09:19:43 PM EST
Install Date: Wed 06 Jan 2016 09:37:28 AM EST  Build Host:
buildvm-03.phx2.fedoraproject.org
Group   : Applications/Engineering  Source RPM:
R-3.2.3-1.el5.src.rpm
Size: 84421779 License: GPLv2+
Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Tue 15 Dec 2015 04:30:09 AM EST, Key ID
119cc036217521f6
Packager: Fedora Project
URL : http://www.r-project.org
Summary : The minimal R components necessary for a functional
runtime
Description :
A language and environment for statistical computing and graphics.
R is similar to the award-winning S system, which was developed at
Bell Laboratories by John Chambers et al. It provides a wide
variety of statistical and graphical techniques (linear and
nonlinear modelling, statistical tests, time series analysis,
classification, clustering, ...).

R is designed as a true computer language with control-flow
constructions for iteration and alternation, and it allows users to
add additional functionality by defining new functions. For
computationally intensive tasks, C, C++ and Fortran code can be linked
and called at run time.

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Re: How to have correct citation of gnumeric

2016-01-29 Thread Tim Schofield 
Ken, I think Gabriela is asking how Gnumeric should be credited in the
paper they are publishing.

Tim

On 29 January 2016 at 10:59, ken  wrote:
> On 01/28/2016 11:33 AM, Gabriela Hoff wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sir or Madam
>>
>> I am using R statisitcal tookit and Gnumeric to perform statistical
>> analysis to a paper and I would like to have the correct citation to
>> gnumeric in this paper.
>> I am using the statistical package of the last gnumeric version available.
>>
>> To R I was able to retrieve the infomration:
>> "[31] R Core Team. R: A language and environment for statistical
>> computing. R Foundation for Statistical Computing, Vienna, Austria. URL
>> http://www.R-project.org/. (2014)."
>>
>> I tried to find information in the webpage but I didn't succeed.
>> Would you, please, send me the directions to find the correct citation?
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>> --
>> Gabriela Hoff
>> Dra. Biociência Nucleares - Física Médica
>> Fone: 51 8588
>
>
> Gabriela,
>
> I don't understand what sort of citation you're seeking or what that
> citation is meant to verify or support.  Perhaps you could explain this
> more...?
>
> In the off-chance it might be helpful, here's the entry for R-core included
> in the RPM package:
>
> ---
> $ rpm -qi R-core
> Name: R-core   Relocations: (not relocatable)
> Version : 3.2.3 Vendor: Fedora Project
> Release : 1.el5 Build Date: Fri 11 Dec 2015
> 09:19:43 PM EST
> Install Date: Wed 06 Jan 2016 09:37:28 AM EST  Build Host:
> buildvm-03.phx2.fedoraproject.org
> Group   : Applications/Engineering  Source RPM:
> R-3.2.3-1.el5.src.rpm
> Size: 84421779 License: GPLv2+
> Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Tue 15 Dec 2015 04:30:09 AM EST, Key ID
> 119cc036217521f6
> Packager: Fedora Project
> URL : http://www.r-project.org
> Summary : The minimal R components necessary for a functional runtime
> Description :
> A language and environment for statistical computing and graphics.
> R is similar to the award-winning S system, which was developed at
> Bell Laboratories by John Chambers et al. It provides a wide
> variety of statistical and graphical techniques (linear and
> nonlinear modelling, statistical tests, time series analysis,
> classification, clustering, ...).
>
> R is designed as a true computer language with control-flow
> constructions for iteration and alternation, and it allows users to
> add additional functionality by defining new functions. For
> computationally intensive tasks, C, C++ and Fortran code can be linked
> and called at run time.
>
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Re: How to have correct citation of gnumeric

2016-01-29 Thread ken 

On 01/28/2016 11:33 AM, Gabriela Hoff wrote:

Dear Sir or Madam

I am using R statisitcal tookit and Gnumeric to perform statistical
analysis to a paper and I would like to have the correct citation to
gnumeric in this paper.
I am using the statistical package of the last gnumeric version available.

To R I was able to retrieve the infomration:
"[31] R Core Team. R: A language and environment for statistical
computing. R Foundation for Statistical Computing, Vienna, Austria. URL
http://www.R-project.org/. (2014)."

I tried to find information in the webpage but I didn't succeed.
Would you, please, send me the directions to find the correct citation?

Thank you in advance,
--
Gabriela Hoff
Dra. Biociência Nucleares - Física Médica
Fone: 51 8588


Gabriela,

I don't understand what sort of citation you're seeking or what that 
citation is meant to verify or support.  Perhaps you could explain this 
more...?


In the off-chance it might be helpful, here's the entry for R-core 
included in the RPM package:


---
$ rpm -qi R-core
Name: R-core   Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 3.2.3 Vendor: Fedora Project
Release : 1.el5 Build Date: Fri 11 Dec 2015 
09:19:43 PM EST
Install Date: Wed 06 Jan 2016 09:37:28 AM EST  Build Host: 
buildvm-03.phx2.fedoraproject.org
Group   : Applications/Engineering  Source RPM: 
R-3.2.3-1.el5.src.rpm

Size: 84421779 License: GPLv2+
Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Tue 15 Dec 2015 04:30:09 AM EST, Key ID 
119cc036217521f6

Packager: Fedora Project
URL : http://www.r-project.org
Summary : The minimal R components necessary for a functional runtime
Description :
A language and environment for statistical computing and graphics.
R is similar to the award-winning S system, which was developed at
Bell Laboratories by John Chambers et al. It provides a wide
variety of statistical and graphical techniques (linear and
nonlinear modelling, statistical tests, time series analysis,
classification, clustering, ...).

R is designed as a true computer language with control-flow
constructions for iteration and alternation, and it allows users to
add additional functionality by defining new functions. For
computationally intensive tasks, C, C++ and Fortran code can be linked
and called at run time.

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Re: How to have correct citation of gnumeric

2016-01-29 Thread ken 
If she's after names of people, that's going to be a few names.  This is 
open source, after all.  But in that case in the package itself (and I 
don't know which one she used) she should go through the files contained 
in that package.  I just looked quickly through them and there are 
especially files called README*, CITATION, COPYRIGHTS, and probably 
others containing names of people who contributed effort.  The CITATION 
files contain citations to scholarly journal articles... maybe that's 
what she's after???  And there may be yet other files she would want to 
see.  There are a lot of *.html files too in that package.  Anyway, 
maybe she needs to look in the files already installed on her computer.



On 01/29/2016 06:26 AM, Tim Schofield wrote:

Ken, I think Gabriela is asking how Gnumeric should be credited in the
paper they are publishing.

Tim

On 29 January 2016 at 10:59, ken  wrote:

On 01/28/2016 11:33 AM, Gabriela Hoff wrote:


Dear Sir or Madam

I am using R statisitcal tookit and Gnumeric to perform statistical
analysis to a paper and I would like to have the correct citation to
gnumeric in this paper.
I am using the statistical package of the last gnumeric version available.

To R I was able to retrieve the infomration:
"[31] R Core Team. R: A language and environment for statistical
computing. R Foundation for Statistical Computing, Vienna, Austria. URL
http://www.R-project.org/. (2014)."

I tried to find information in the webpage but I didn't succeed.
Would you, please, send me the directions to find the correct citation?

Thank you in advance,
--
Gabriela Hoff
Dra. Biociência Nucleares - Física Médica
Fone: 51 8588



Gabriela,

I don't understand what sort of citation you're seeking or what that
citation is meant to verify or support.  Perhaps you could explain this
more...?

In the off-chance it might be helpful, here's the entry for R-core included
in the RPM package:

---
$ rpm -qi R-core
Name: R-core   Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 3.2.3 Vendor: Fedora Project
Release : 1.el5 Build Date: Fri 11 Dec 2015
09:19:43 PM EST
Install Date: Wed 06 Jan 2016 09:37:28 AM EST  Build Host:
buildvm-03.phx2.fedoraproject.org
Group   : Applications/Engineering  Source RPM:
R-3.2.3-1.el5.src.rpm
Size: 84421779 License: GPLv2+
Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Tue 15 Dec 2015 04:30:09 AM EST, Key ID
119cc036217521f6
Packager: Fedora Project
URL : http://www.r-project.org
Summary : The minimal R components necessary for a functional runtime
Description :
A language and environment for statistical computing and graphics.
R is similar to the award-winning S system, which was developed at
Bell Laboratories by John Chambers et al. It provides a wide
variety of statistical and graphical techniques (linear and
nonlinear modelling, statistical tests, time series analysis,
classification, clustering, ...).

R is designed as a true computer language with control-flow
constructions for iteration and alternation, and it allows users to
add additional functionality by defining new functions. For
computationally intensive tasks, C, C++ and Fortran code can be linked
and called at run time.

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Re: How to have correct citation of gnumeric

2016-01-29 Thread David Benfell 


On 01/29/2016 04:22 AM, ken wrote:
> If she's after names of people, that's going to be a few names.  This
> is open source, after all.  But in that case in the package itself
> (and I don't know which one she used) she should go through the files
> contained in that package.  I just looked quickly through them and
> there are especially files called README*, CITATION, COPYRIGHTS, and
> probably others containing names of people who contributed effort. 
> The CITATION files contain citations to scholarly journal articles...
> maybe that's what she's after???  And there may be yet other files she
> would want to see.  There are a lot of *.html files too in that
> package.  Anyway, maybe she needs to look in the files already
> installed on her computer.
As I'm understanding Gabriela, Tim is right. She needs the information
for a citation for Gnumeric itself. She supplied the corresponding
information for R to illustrate what she needs (and in a citation style
that I'm personally unfamiliar with).

I think what she is most likely missing is an author or organization
that is responsible for Gnumeric and another one that publishes it. As I
was looking around in her response to her question, I think the Gnome
Foundation (if I'm remembering the name right) might be listed as a
publisher; sometimes this can also be used in place of the author.
>
>
> On 01/29/2016 06:26 AM, Tim Schofield wrote:
>> Ken, I think Gabriela is asking how Gnumeric should be credited in the
>> paper they are publishing.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 29 January 2016 at 10:59, ken  wrote:
>>> On 01/28/2016 11:33 AM, Gabriela Hoff wrote:

 Dear Sir or Madam

 I am using R statisitcal tookit and Gnumeric to perform statistical
 analysis to a paper and I would like to have the correct citation to
 gnumeric in this paper.
 I am using the statistical package of the last gnumeric version
 available.

 To R I was able to retrieve the infomration:
 "[31] R Core Team. R: A language and environment for statistical
 computing. R Foundation for Statistical Computing, Vienna, Austria.
 URL
 http://www.R-project.org/. (2014)."

 I tried to find information in the webpage but I didn't succeed.
 Would you, please, send me the directions to find the correct
 citation?

 Thank you in advance,
 -- 
 Gabriela Hoff
 Dra. Biociência Nucleares - Física Médica
 Fone: 51 8588
>>>
>>>
>>> Gabriela,
>>>
>>> I don't understand what sort of citation you're seeking or what that
>>> citation is meant to verify or support.  Perhaps you could explain this
>>> more...?
>>>
>>> In the off-chance it might be helpful, here's the entry for R-core
>>> included
>>> in the RPM package:
>>>
>>> ---
>>> $ rpm -qi R-core
>>> Name: R-core   Relocations: (not
>>> relocatable)
>>> Version : 3.2.3 Vendor: Fedora Project
>>> Release : 1.el5 Build Date: Fri 11 Dec 2015
>>> 09:19:43 PM EST
>>> Install Date: Wed 06 Jan 2016 09:37:28 AM EST  Build Host:
>>> buildvm-03.phx2.fedoraproject.org
>>> Group   : Applications/Engineering  Source RPM:
>>> R-3.2.3-1.el5.src.rpm
>>> Size: 84421779 License: GPLv2+
>>> Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Tue 15 Dec 2015 04:30:09 AM EST, Key ID
>>> 119cc036217521f6
>>> Packager: Fedora Project
>>> URL : http://www.r-project.org
>>> Summary : The minimal R components necessary for a functional
>>> runtime
>>> Description :
>>> A language and environment for statistical computing and graphics.
>>> R is similar to the award-winning S system, which was developed at
>>> Bell Laboratories by John Chambers et al. It provides a wide
>>> variety of statistical and graphical techniques (linear and
>>> nonlinear modelling, statistical tests, time series analysis,
>>> classification, clustering, ...).
>>>
>>> R is designed as a true computer language with control-flow
>>> constructions for iteration and alternation, and it allows users to
>>> add additional functionality by defining new functions. For
>>> computationally intensive tasks, C, C++ and Fortran code can be linked
>>> and called at run time.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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