Re: GnuPG 2.1.0 Merging secret key
On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:00, must...@mustrum.net said: I'm wondering : what is the planned usage for that feature ? --try-secret-keys is used to specify keys to be used in addition to the default secret key when it comes to decrypt messages with anonymous recipients. I have often the case that I receive a messages encrypted to a bunch of keys where many of them use an anonymous recipient (e.g. for private backup keys). By using this option I can define which of my secret keys are to be used for trial decryption. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Help needed
On 14/11/14 04:11, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: Hi David-- You sound frustrated. hopefully we can help you figure things out. Some of the details of what's happened on your machine(s) sound unclear to me, and we'll be able to help you better with more precise information. On 11/13/2014 04:31 PM, da...@gbenet.com wrote: Even when I use a backup programme and restore I still get the same error message. What backup program did you use? What version of gnupg were you using on your old computer? what platform was your old machine? what platform is your new machine? If you feel comfortable sharing any of this information, i'd be curious to see the outcome (on both old and new machines) of any of the following series of commands: uname -a ls -la ~/.gnupg gpg --version gpg --list-secret-keys 0xAAD8C47D echo test | gpg --clearsign -u 0xAAD8C47D If it looks like this information is too sensitive to post to the list, but you feel ok sending it to me privately, you're welcome to send it to me privately (my OpenPGP fingerprint is at the bottom of this mail if you wish to encrypt it). So no-one has ever copied their .gnupg folder to another laptop. No one has ever done this with any success. I can say based on personal experience that this is not the case. I have done several such transfers, for myself and for other people. You have all failed. Clearly there's something wrong with gnupg that does not like being backed up copied whatever. If it were another programme say Thunderbird no one would use Thunderbird. They would say Thunderbird was crap. I'm going to treat this paragraph as you expressing your frustration, instead of reading it as an attack on the developers of GnuPG. Other people might read it differently, and may find it demotivating in terms of helping you with your current situation. Please remember that there are human beings on the other side of your e-mail, people who are remarkably committed to helping others, but who also have their own feelings. Regards, --dkg OpenPGP Fingerprint: 0EE5BE979282D80B9F7540F1CCD2ED94D21739E9 Hi Daniel, Firstly I can neither encrypt or sign. I have two laptops (1) 32 bit LXD (2) 64 bit LXD my 64 bit machine crashed and went off for repairs. It came back I reinstalled the operating system and all programmes - now a mirror image of my 32 bit LXD. Then I did the following: (1) david@laptop-1:~$ gpg gpg: directory `/home/david/.gnupg' created gpg: new configuration file `/home/david/.gnupg/gpg.conf' created gpg: WARNING: options in `/home/david/.gnupg/gpg.conf' are not yet active during this run gpg: keyring `/home/david/.gnupg/secring.gpg' created gpg: keyring `/home/david/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' created gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... (2) Run ALL your GUIs eg Kgpg Kleopatra GPA - but do not create a new set of keys! Kgpg will complain and not run. (3) Reboot your system - very important! (4) Type david@laptop-1:~$ gpg-agent gpg-agent: gpg-agent running and available david@laptop-1:~$ Then I copied ALL .gnupg files from the 32 bit laptop to the 64 bit laptop - on the 32 bit laptop I exported my keys saving them to a file - I did this twice. Then I imported my keys into the 64 bit laptop. All programmes see my key - even gpg but I always get the same error message: Key 0xAAd8C47D not found or not valid. The (sub-)key might have expired when I try to sign or encrypt a message. Now insted of copying ALL the files from one .gnupg to another am just going to copy secring.gpg and trustdb.gpg - then import my keys - if this works then you will know how to do it in the future - if it does not work - hmmm... David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Fermi estimates
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Johan Wevers joh...@vulcan.xs4all.nl wrote: On 14-11-2014 3:15, Robert J. Hansen wrote: 10**38 attempts at 10**6 bitflips per attempt equals 10**44 bitflips total. At carpet-scuffing power, that's about 10**15 joules of energy, [...] But to make our brute-forcer 10**30 times faster (so it can run in one year), our brute-forcer also has to release 10**30 times as much heat. I'm not an astrophysicist, but that's the kind of energy levels one normally associates with phrases like perturb the false vacuum and unmake the universe at the speed of light. Look at the time, I must be going. Fortunately there's no false vacuum left to perturb. :-) Anyway, compared to the Sun's output of 3.82*10**26W that's still quite large. 10 billion is 10**10, PLEASE don't do that in a FAQ. The definitions of bilion, biljard etc. differ wether one uses imperial or SI units, and thuis makes it very confusing. For me, a bilion is 10**12. It wouldn't be the first estimate that was off by some factors 10**6 due to mixing these up. Better to avoid those terms completely. Minor nitpick: the difference between the long and short scales are a bit more involved than just imperial vs. SI. More details are at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales But yes, avoiding ambiguous words like billion is a good idea. Using notation like 10^9, 10^12, etc. would make things more clear to readers regardless of what words they use to describe those numbers. Cheers! -Pete -- Pete Stephenson ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: gpg4usb: Portable GUI for GnuPG
On 13-11-2014 23:23, Robert J. Hansen wrote: I mean no offense, but this seems like a really bad idea. Putting it on CD-ROM might be a pretty cool idea, but USB is just ... scary. There exist USB sticks with a write-protection jumper (I have 2 so I'm sure). If those cannot be found, use a SD memory card (they all have such a jumper) in a SD to USB conversion unit. -- ir. J.C.A. Wevers PGP/GPG public keys at http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/pgpkeys.html ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
My Conclusions
Hi All, After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple task namely to get a fully functioning gnupg mirror on my 64 bit Linux system - I realise this is an impossible task to do. In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates - but this time round I thought that I would apply some effort. My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From The Same O/S To Another Machine. There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted it. And if they have THEY HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this list knows how to do it successfully. No one. NOT ONE OF YOU can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it to work. This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at encryption and signing but the programme is fundamentally flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are PERFECT but the software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows it's crap. So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE TO CREATE ANOTHER SET A BLOODY KEYS I am not a happy bunny!!! David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: gpg4usb: Portable GUI for GnuPG
Johan Wevers wrote: On 13-11-2014 23:23, Robert J. Hansen wrote: I mean no offense, but this seems like a really bad idea. Putting it on CD-ROM might be a pretty cool idea, but USB is just ... scary. There exist USB sticks with a write-protection jumper (I have 2 so I'm sure). If those cannot be found, use a SD memory card (they all have such a jumper) in a SD to USB conversion unit. if you refer to the Lock switch of SD memory cards, then please note that this Lock switch is only evaluated in OS software and no physical/electrical protection of the flash IC. Normally, the mechanic Lock switch only pushes away a contact on the SD card socket, so the OS can evaluate whether the contacts are conncted or not. On GNU/Linux I think it is sufficient to just mount -o remount,rw a previously read-only mounted SD card. USB sticks with real physical (i.e. electrically routed to the write-protect pin of the flash IC) write protection are rare, but they exist (as you said). ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: GnuPG 2.1.0 Merging secret key
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I was wondering about merging secret keys. Le 14 novembre 2014 08:58:45 CET, Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org a écrit : On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:00, must...@mustrum.net said: I'm wondering : what is the planned usage for that feature ? --try-secret-keys is used to specify keys to be used in addition to the default secret key when it comes to decrypt messages with anonymous recipients. I have often the case that I receive a messages encrypted to a bunch of keys where many of them use an anonymous recipient (e.g. for private backup keys). By using this option I can define which of my secret keys are to be used for trial decryption. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQI7BAEBCgAlBQJUZdP0HhxNdXN0cnVtIDxNdXN0cnVtQE11c3RydW0ubmV0PgAK CRDXUCfO5tif7hIED/wJnKHLep7kSWxlDuM6gJn+SA9yvszpeCQmsxpy2FE7co0s 7+ZUy1IkdQBWarkJ5Q3K2Ytxn72p2DbOSX471iSGivoJwsQiQxUwgpzYOqAjL9vd EaiybtoW2WcAU/a6a+7VQ+voV9HwugL0i8cG5XiMB92DYL7s0nzeupHUdVAIsVF8 1/LzphzqfX6lkpfdsnD5678W3yXS1rfqMu01s0gD1iMkBaFbZNzZZ8mThv7rg9FG iJqhvqhmP0gLfdWEWDSoEgPLP5uln1g9EO08fNZepzVomkdTsCXgoFl7Y4ndkwSi QnrhmhoPTIGPyb8KtIHK/lJWvhnePVZUjoVM83lOwlquj95iEu3ONxfkSobwadsV IgElqqdJqJ2kGILI9t0AFcjwG0c2o5sQixOMFMYrAAkDtP0S1h2LQBD1DxYCldhX gU0iaqg0F1IBGrXLzDjQECLNP+7fQSioKqDVwOpW6A3dt3OR12T0Thge9HQB/hH2 xX26SrMdC67brtp9BICMFKQRq9sy3XlsgLYcNOg9GSzaJ6oE5/vslHUWzF+3fBX0 eAj1BXFRBM2r6mFGANkvCF5VQgJJJFpKjyld0l6LoPOc+eOjMsa0Z/8Mixurxu4E 7VNQhqV3MPPR0xO4311qgd8YHvVfs2zFr1QXTgMXwi1brq5HBuZpQvs5Vwu0jQ== =2uLE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
David, I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense. Of course people move keys between machines all the time. I have done it myself often. I don't think that anyone deserves that level of abuse -- certainly not someone who has put years of work into a program that is an industry standard and released it for free. Nicholas On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote: Hi All, After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple task namely to get a fully functioning gnupg mirror on my 64 bit Linux system - I realise this is an impossible task to do. In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates - but this time round I thought that I would apply some effort. My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From The Same O/S To Another Machine. There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted it. And if they have THEY HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this list knows how to do it successfully. No one. NOT ONE OF YOU can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it to work. This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at encryption and signing but the programme is fundamentally flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are PERFECT but the software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows it's crap. So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE TO CREATE ANOTHER SET A BLOODY KEYS I am not a happy bunny!!! David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Why the software is crap
Hello All, I even tried exporting my private and public key from the command line and then tried importing. The same error message as before. I have checked on the internet - most of the suggestions are crap - the authors have never ever tried to do what they suggest others to do. If they had done so then they would have known just how crappy their supposed expertise was. I have even looked through https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html and found this to be a useless pile of crap also. I am faced with two options: (1) Create yet another set of keys (2) Give up using gnupg after some 20 years I think I will unsubscribe from this list and give up on gnupg as a pile of crap. David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
On 14/11/14 11:34, Nicholas Cole wrote: David, I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense. Of course people move keys between machines all the time. I have done it myself often. I don't think that anyone deserves that level of abuse -- certainly not someone who has put years of work into a program that is an industry standard and released it for free. Nicholas On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote: Hi All, After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple task namely to get a fully functioning gnupg mirror on my 64 bit Linux system - I realise this is an impossible task to do. In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates - but this time round I thought that I would apply some effort. My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From The Same O/S To Another Machine. There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted it. And if they have THEY HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this list knows how to do it successfully. No one. NOT ONE OF YOU can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it to work. This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at encryption and signing but the programme is fundamentally flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are PERFECT but the software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows it's crap. So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE TO CREATE ANOTHER SET A BLOODY KEYS I am not a happy bunny!!! David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS. THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER EVER DONE IT. David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
Am 14.11.2014 um 12:41 schrieb da...@gbenet.com: Hello All, I even tried exporting my private and public key from the command line and then tried importing. The same error message as before. I have checked on the internet - most of the suggestions are crap - the authors have never ever tried to do what they suggest others to do. If they had done so then they would have known just how crappy their supposed expertise was. I have even looked through https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html and found this to be a useless pile of crap also. I am faced with two options: (1) Create yet another set of keys (2) Give up using gnupg after some 20 years I think I will unsubscribe from this list and give up on gnupg as a pile of crap. David I think unsubscribing is the best thing you can do. Because you probably successfully destroyed the good intension and motivation of anyone helping you, with the offending nonsense you wrote in your last mails. If you are angry just shut up and write again after you cooled yourself down. The problem is more likely with you because there are not many people reporting such problems. And I can tell from my own experience that it is not even a problem copying the content of the gnupg directory between windows and linux. Tried that successfully. Maybe you should read the FAQ again (and try to understand what is written). Maybe there is a difference between exporting the public part of a key and the private part. Anyway, enjoy your life. Martin ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On 14/11/14 11:55, Martin Behrendt wrote: Am 14.11.2014 um 12:41 schrieb da...@gbenet.com: Hello All, I even tried exporting my private and public key from the command line and then tried importing. The same error message as before. I have checked on the internet - most of the suggestions are crap - the authors have never ever tried to do what they suggest others to do. If they had done so then they would have known just how crappy their supposed expertise was. I have even looked through https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html and found this to be a useless pile of crap also. I am faced with two options: (1) Create yet another set of keys (2) Give up using gnupg after some 20 years I think I will unsubscribe from this list and give up on gnupg as a pile of crap. David I think unsubscribing is the best thing you can do. Because you probably successfully destroyed the good intension and motivation of anyone helping you, with the offending nonsense you wrote in your last mails. If you are angry just shut up and write again after you cooled yourself down. The problem is more likely with you because there are not many people reporting such problems. And I can tell from my own experience that it is not even a problem copying the content of the gnupg directory between windows and linux. Tried that successfully. Maybe you should read the FAQ again (and try to understand what is written). Maybe there is a difference between exporting the public part of a key and the private part. Anyway, enjoy your life. Martin ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users Martin, I have cooled. You can export your private key - you can export your public key. You can import your private key you can import your public key. In 20 years I have always had the same problem - the same error message and have each time created a new set of keys. I have done this 4 times. I notice that no one on this list - for all the talk of oh I've done it can offer no practical information has to HOW. No one. No one. No one knows how to do this simple task. In all my 20 years I have never found out how. Perhaps things are different under a Windows O/S but on Linux there is NO SOLUTION. Perhaps the only solution is to import ones private and public keys and lose all your contacts - ie a brand new installation. But I repeat BUT no one has ever created a mirror image of a .gnupg and had a fully 100 per cent working signing and encryption functionality. No one. There are no real practical solutions written anywhere on the internet. There is nothing of any value in https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html - there never was in all the 20 years of reading it. Sure you can moan criticise me for my getting frustrated - and you can all moan and cringe and all withdraw your support - BUT NO ONE HAS EVER OFFERED ANY PRACTICAL USEFUL ADVICE THAT WILL ENABLE ME TO TRANSFER MY KEYS AND HAVE THEM WORKING CORRECTLY. NO ONE. NOT EVEN YOU. You are offended? Why? It is an easy thing to do is it not to moan about what and how people express themselves - yet you completely ignore the real issue. You ignore is because you can offer no real meaningful solution. As I have said no one has ever successfully transferred their public and private keys between machines and got them to successfully work. That's a real fact. And no one on this list as any practical solutions that work in the real world. That's a fact. The fact is no one on this list has ever done it with 100 per cent success. That's a fact. There is no practical advice on the internet. That's a fact. David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On 14/11/14 13:24, da...@gbenet.com wrote: On 14/11/14 11:55, Martin Behrendt wrote: Am 14.11.2014 um 12:41 schrieb da...@gbenet.com: Hello All, I even tried exporting my private and public key from the command line and then tried importing. The same error message as before. I have checked on the internet - most of the suggestions are crap - the authors have never ever tried to do what they suggest others to do. If they had done so then they would have known just how crappy their supposed expertise was. I have even looked through https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html and found this to be a useless pile of crap also. I am faced with two options: (1) Create yet another set of keys (2) Give up using gnupg after some 20 years I think I will unsubscribe from this list and give up on gnupg as a pile of crap. David I think unsubscribing is the best thing you can do. Because you probably successfully destroyed the good intension and motivation of anyone helping you, with the offending nonsense you wrote in your last mails. If you are angry just shut up and write again after you cooled yourself down. The problem is more likely with you because there are not many people reporting such problems. And I can tell from my own experience that it is not even a problem copying the content of the gnupg directory between windows and linux. Tried that successfully. Maybe you should read the FAQ again (and try to understand what is written). Maybe there is a difference between exporting the public part of a key and the private part. Anyway, enjoy your life. Martin ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users Martin, I have cooled. You can export your private key - you can export your public key. You can import your private key you can import your public key. In 20 years I have always had the same problem - the same error message and have each time created a new set of keys. I have done this 4 times. I notice that no one on this list - for all the talk of oh I've done it can offer no practical information has to HOW. No one. No one. No one knows how to do this simple task. In all my 20 years I have never found out how. Perhaps things are different under a Windows O/S but on Linux there is NO SOLUTION. Perhaps the only solution is to import ones private and public keys and lose all your contacts - ie a brand new installation. But I repeat BUT no one has ever created a mirror image of a .gnupg and had a fully 100 per cent working signing and encryption functionality. No one. There are no real practical solutions written anywhere on the internet. There is nothing of any value in https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html - there never was in all the 20 years of reading it. Sure you can moan criticise me for my getting frustrated - and you can all moan and cringe and all withdraw your support - BUT NO ONE HAS EVER OFFERED ANY PRACTICAL USEFUL ADVICE THAT WILL ENABLE ME TO TRANSFER MY KEYS AND HAVE THEM WORKING CORRECTLY. NO ONE. NOT EVEN YOU. You are offended? Why? It is an easy thing to do is it not to moan about what and how people express themselves - yet you completely ignore the real issue. You ignore is because you can offer no real meaningful solution. As I have said no one has ever successfully transferred their public and private keys between machines and got them to successfully work. That's a real fact. And no one on this list as any practical solutions that work in the real world. That's a fact. The fact is no one on this list has ever done it with 100 per cent success. That's a fact. There is no practical advice on the internet. That's a fact. David David, I am pretty sure I have seen advice on how to backup and restore your keys, if not on this list, in the countless smartcard how to. I must admit I have not followed previous threads from you, but you must admit and be fair, that generally most people here are friendly and supportive. But I have seen the topic come up a few times, so maybe this is a security versus usability issue ? But again, I have not followed exactly what your problem is. Just wanted to point out that most people are reasonably helpful and friendly. Labelling gnupg as crap is, not exactly a fair assessment I think, and falls within the lines of labelling selinux crap, because people do not understand it/are confused by what is going on. Anyway. I hope you work it out in the end and I am sure, somebody will be willing yo nudge you in the right direction. Regards, Tristan -- Tristan Santore BSc MBCS TS4523-RIPE Network and Infrastructure Operations InterNexusConnect Mobile +44-78-55069812 tristan.sant...@internexusconnect.net Former Thawte Notary (Please note: Thawte has closed its WoT programme down, and I am therefore no longer able to accredit trust) For Fedora related issues, please email me at:
Re: Why the software is crap
Il 14/11/2014 12:41, da...@gbenet.com ha scritto: I usually just lurk, but that's too much... I even tried exporting my private and public key from the command line and then tried importing. The same error message as before. I have checked on the internet - most of the suggestions are crap - the authors have never ever tried to do what they suggest others to do. If they had done so then they would have known just how crappy their supposed expertise was. I have even looked through https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html and found this to be a useless pile of crap also. Surely you're doing it wrong, overlooking some passage. So don't blame others for something *you* are doing wrong. I am faced with two options: (1) Create yet another set of keys (2) Give up using gnupg after some 20 years (3) Do it the right way as everyone else and admit you were doing something wrong. I think I will unsubscribe from this list and give up on gnupg as a pile of crap. And that will be better for the whole community. BYtE, Diego. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:34, nicholas.c...@gmail.com said: I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense. Of course people move keys between machines all the time. I have done Right. And you may even copy it from one OS to an entirely different one. The files are fully platform independent. Yet another of these gnome-keyring-daemon problems? Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
David, It might not be clear, but many of us have easily and simply migrated our .gnupg directories from computer to computer. I've even deleted my .gnupg directory and restored it from backups. I've intentionally messed up my private key and restored my private key to working status from backups. I guess I don't understand why you can't copy .gnupg from one system to another system. Yelling on the mailing list is extremely rude. It is now very clear, and archived, how you feel about the topic. Repeating yourself further in the manner you have been using will only alienate people and will not move you to a resolution. You've registered your complaint, it has been discussed, and now your behavior is counter-productive. Samir -- Samir Nassar sa...@samirnassar.com https://samirnassar.com PGP Fingerprint: EE76 B39E 0778 8F95 F796 B044 FE67 9A90 8E99 7AB2 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oh please, I am using gnupg with the same keys on at least five machines with no issue. I simply copied the .gnupg directory, end of story. Cheers nicole Am 14.11.2014 um 12:45 schrieb da...@gbenet.com: On 14/11/14 11:34, Nicholas Cole wrote: David, I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense. Of course people move keys between machines all the time. I have done it myself often. I don't think that anyone deserves that level of abuse -- certainly not someone who has put years of work into a program that is an industry standard and released it for free. Nicholas On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote: Hi All, After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple task namely to get a fully functioning gnupg mirror on my 64 bit Linux system - I realise this is an impossible task to do. In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates - but this time round I thought that I would apply some effort. My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From The Same O/S To Another Machine. There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted it. And if they have THEY HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this list knows how to do it successfully. No one. NOT ONE OF YOU can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it to work. This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at encryption and signing but the programme is fundamentally flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are PERFECT but the software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows it's crap. So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE TO CREATE ANOTHER SET A BLOODY KEYS I am not a happy bunny!!! David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS. THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER EVER DONE IT. David Viele Grüße nicole faerber - -- kernel concepts GmbH Tel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48 D-57072 Siegen http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJUZe37AAoJEEKL5ZUtJ7x40m0L/AloGvm6i8cD4vktRtVsE2/n n289qTf6WbCaDxOPi5Z3N53/3AMTVrsshTx1eWMkqWynp5eGBYL8qY+o+OKfKe+t +NjkX2v5qWHJqZobFRc8umYzobCA73lqVyAqQdmmOb47Dcogw/6iO36mVVTgqjTm WPQasquaa8oBY+U+Rnb+H+kzM0nNGt5ucYNfMyez2cJpyVHcHSJVGl9gkXyh9UzA GBc8UHg5XHR0WsMj0aetsEmeD8zJrM4zV5bCiwe5R5zthKfbM6yvS0qyJ+x1UEOJ 9JfiQh+TdUBnZMzBZrmDVOECso6/SsMvLaixmYKeGozzcRnzgvSGLQter0Ykoye5 63pr0b8yd8AeHdYUpJ1P8/Zk9BPlPqK812pMfhE95FnOStIkMH8tQDf5k/PAV9Xp tpOEsdiiXG6jytpqaTR88T2wDbBfG0pMEOHaQdNddO8KXPfK9H0rg8DDvLCqtAYx TeWAKId8DCH0mMiadIns72ItnXB/Zkhe2MTtjY5AvQ== =Ze+M -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2014-11-14 22:45, da...@gbenet.com wrote: I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS. But many have succeeded in it. Add myself to the list of people who have successfully backed up and re-used my GPG data files for over ten years, across various operating systems. It would be best to re-visit the problem when you're in a clear, calm frame of mind. All the best, Jason -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUZfJWAAoJED1Q2DsLuMaGZZ0P/2qXxbq5qaClxBhCB4/A9cIg s5FXxz3iLsTn2VRP6RC3r1J3BfaLMhS6fvru92/4eCx2JvLbkLtbYm2AZWhCdlSf wKIDZTczk+Ej5XAuqnsTZROagmxTNOyNnTdO+O4856Y6xXm0jTxmPBbVNU+xzm94 GGh1x4Q+iCCdm9S7yaHL6NWVUsqnp1Agy315DSXYHW+pKSzI+kgMgueDTdDg0nOM t0jXITW0Nw/K2xUjfbfDlwB2mRMuMpjTvTFqX63FNnrMPc+hlaN6xDs2C4Fn4V3K LTorP7v7dVw/9AYFnrWJ4Y8cP9xOoeTPCF5XlLlmD6SfcZ56xF8ucC++O1UBoe+j fprC/PSOLiVhkYIxwsyIv48+P42z+SDOfEnm71ejILAXk0j2I5ApJGUikMxXiaqJ 5d+qtCkmC5PHVYhfZhImTDXe92085ckC0r1UQ6cWA3n7DWi4gYBpUYUMmmBbL5IX pOfRxywzH2ukOHYB83jJ3HOboPzhgkv3hyQ9YLEsQmCL34ZK8BR9ZYkIzkvN8xqc MI6bBAclELDUrNFJRRH3RXBrQqqpce3XtNwDwY4urIjmyYfwENLAYNU3ekxPlkHV 9TfIJItQyjHdObgb6GxxVGIchsASFNZim74f2v6n0RoLU63d+KgQLOFSrGvE8H6M 3N6S0Vef3lTEYSiN4Qqo =aqZV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
Il 14/11/2014 13:24, da...@gbenet.com ha scritto: I have cooled. You can export your private key - you can export your public key. You can import your private key you can import your public key. In 20 years I have always had the same problem - the same error message and have each time created a new set of keys. I have done this 4 times. If all four times you did the same wrong thing, then it's obvious that you got the same wrong result. Just to prove it's your error, I copied my .gnupg from one system (str957-142) to another (str957-004), with the most basic method I ould think of. I'm not an expert (probably I transferred more than what was needed!), but as you can see I succeeded at the first try! diego@str957-142:~$ gpg --list-secret-keys /home/diego/.gnupg/secring.gpg sec 2048R/F9B9D307 2014-11-14 uid Diego t...@example.com ssb 2048R/3A4AD1C0 2014-11-14 diego@str957-142:~$ tar cvfz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz --exclude random_seed .gnupg diego@str957-142:~$ gpg --clearsign GnuPG-backup.tar.gz È necessaria una passphrase per sbloccare la chiave segreta dell'utente: Diego t...@example.com 2048-bit chiave RSA, ID F9B9D307, creata 2014-11-14 diego@str957-142:~$ ls GnuPG-backup.tar.gz* GnuPG-backup.tar.gz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz.asc diego@str957-142:~$ scp GnuPG-backup.tar.gz diego@str957-004:/home/diego Then on the other PC: diego@str957-004:~$ tar xvfz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz .gnupg/ .gnupg/gpg-agent-info .gnupg/pubring.kbx .gnupg/gpg.conf .gnupg/private-keys-v1.d/ .gnupg/reader_0.status .gnupg/pubring.gpg~ .gnupg/secring.gpg .gnupg/scdaemon.conf .gnupg/gpa.conf .gnupg/trustdb.gpg .gnupg/pubring.gpg diego@str957-004:~$ gpg --clearsign GnuPG-backup.tar.gz È necessaria una passphrase per sbloccare la chiave segreta dell'utente: Diego t...@example.com 2048-bit chiave RSA, ID F9B9D307, creata 2014-11-14 diego@str957-004:~$ gpg --verify GnuPG-backup.tar.gz.asc gpg: Firma eseguita in data ven 14 nov 2014 14:07:57 CET usando RSA, ID chiave F9B9D307 gpg: Firma valida da Diego t...@example.com I notice that no one on this list - for all the talk of oh I've done it can offer no practical information has to HOW. No one. No one. No one knows how to do this simple task. In all my 20 years I have never found out how. Perhaps things are different under a Windows O/S but on Linux there is NO SOLUTION. Done just now in Ubuntu. So there's an error on your side. BYtE, Diego. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
On 14-11-2014 12:45, da...@gbenet.com wrote: I have done everything correctly Apparently not. Or maybe the files are corrupted? Do they still work on the original computer? - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS. I did. Switched even between Linux and Windows, no problems. In the latter case, I did make a few changes to gnupg.conf since Windows has a different directory structure but that's all. THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER EVER DONE IT. Stop shouting, we're neither deaf nor blind. -- ir. J.C.A. Wevers PGP/GPG public keys at http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/pgpkeys.html ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: gpg4usb: Portable GUI for GnuPG
On 14-11-2014 12:16, flapflap wrote: if you refer to the Lock switch of SD memory cards, then please note that this Lock switch is only evaluated in OS software and no physical/electrical protection of the flash IC. [...] USB sticks with real physical (i.e. electrically routed to the write-protect pin of the flash IC) write protection are rare, but they exist (as you said). I didn't know that, and I'm not sure if the sticks I have do the former or the later. I should try to remount them rw on a Linux box and then try to write something to them to test it. -- ir. J.C.A. Wevers PGP/GPG public keys at http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/pgpkeys.html ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: GnuPG 2.1.0: --refresh-keys regression
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/12/2014 10:34 AM, Werner Koch wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 23:49, ara...@aixah.de said: One of the changes introduced with GnuPG 2.1 -- namely, using dirmngr for key retrieval -- has caused some problems for me. First of all, I'm Thanks for reporting. I am already aware of it asdkg already reported that a few days ago. Thank you for fixing this issue, I just confirmed it working nicely again in gpg (GnuPG) 2.1.1-beta17. dirmngr also seems to have problems with hkps certificate checking for keyserver addresses with round-robin DNS, but I need to examine this further before I can provide details. Seems we have the SNI issue back[0,1,2]. Another thing that also strike me is the number of attempts in the log for verification of this server rather than continuing to another one (see dirmngr snippet below). $ dig sks.karotte.org +short 176.9.51.79 At this point it goes the roundtrip via PTR again as we discussed earlier: $ dig -x 176.9.51.79 +short alita.karotte.org. And tries to use this as host for keyserver... but this host is not defined for SKS services and as such we get (i) a connection failure (CA cert is used rather than sks-keyservers.net CA) (ii) if accepting (i) a 404 as no virtualhost is set up for this offering SKS Sorry if the debug info part is a bit messy, but it shows the various scenarios when testing with curl to show the differences here. References: [0] http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2014-May/028458.html [1] http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2014-May/028460.html [2] http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2014-May/028465.html Debug info: using hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net as SNI (works using pool CA): ---snip--- $ curl -vv --cacert $HOME/.gnupg/sks-keyservers.netCA.pem - - -resolve 'hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net:443:176.9.51.79' https://hkps.pool.sks-k eyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=stats * Added hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net:443:176.9.51.79 to DNS cache * Hostname was found in DNS cache * Trying 176.9.51.79... * Connected to hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net (176.9.51.79) port 443 (#0) * Initializing NSS with certpath: none * CAfile: /home/kristianf/.gnupg/sks-keyservers.netCA.pem CApath: none * SSL connection using TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA256 * Server certificate: * subject: E=ad...@sks.karotte.org,CN=sks.karotte.org,O=sks.karotte.org,C= DE * start date: Nov 07 12:35:30 2014 GMT * expire date: Nov 07 12:35:30 2015 GMT * common name: sks.karotte.org * issuer: CN=sks-keyservers.net CA,O=sks-keyservers.net CA,ST=Oslo,C=NO GET /pks/lookup?op=stats HTTP/1.1 User-Agent: curl/7.39.0 Host: hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net Accept: */* ---snip--- using sks.karotte.org (works using CA Cert) $ curl -vv https://sks.karotte.org/pks/lookup?op=stats; * Hostname was NOT found in DNS cache * Trying 176.9.51.79... * Connected to sks.karotte.org (176.9.51.79) port 443 (#0) * Initializing NSS with certpath: none * CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CApath: none * SSL connection using TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA256 * Server certificate: * subject: CN=*.karotte.org * start date: Apr 18 10:59:40 2014 GMT * expire date: Apr 17 10:59:40 2016 GMT * common name: *.karotte.org * issuer: CN=CAcert Class 3 Root,OU=http://www.CAcert.org,O=CAcert Inc. GET /pks/lookup?op=stats HTTP/1.1 User-Agent: curl/7.39.0 Host: sks.karotte.org Accept: */* ---snip--- using alita.karotte.org (connects using CAcert, no sks service so returns 404): ---snip--- title404 Not Found/title /headbody h1Not Found/h1 pThe requested URL /pks/lookup was not found on this server./p ---snip--- And dirmngr log: ---snip--- 2014-11-14 13:59:19 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: chan_0 - KEYSERVER --clear hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net ... 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: expected hostname: alita.karotte.org 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: BEGIN Certificate 'server[0]': 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: serial: 02326A 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: notBefore: 2014-04-18 10:59:40 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG:notAfter: 2016-04-17 10:59:40 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: issuer: CN=CAcert Class 3 Root,OU=http://www.CAcert.org,O=CAcert Inc. 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: subject: CN=*.karotte.org 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: hash algo: 1.2.840.113549.1.1.13 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: SHA1 fingerprint: 7B587956C292593511947904CD88937BC4B610BB 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: END Certificate 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: BEGIN Certificate 'server[1]': 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: serial: 00 2014-11-14 13:59:23 dirmngr[5952.0] DBG: notBefore: 2003-03-30 12:29:49 2014-11-14
Re: Why the software is crap
On 14-11-2014 13:24, da...@gbenet.com wrote: I have cooled. You can export your private key - you can export your public key. I've never done that, except when I imported my old pgp 2.x keys in GnuPG a long time ago (sometime when GnuPG became really usable on windows, with 1.0.4 or so). Exporting and re-importing keys can often lead to warnings about thrust issues. I just copied pubring.gpg, secring.gpg, trustdb.gpg and gpg.conf. The last one sometimes required manual editing, especially in the time when IDEA and RSA were loadable modules, but that's long over. Sometimes the owner/group and properties need to be set but my experience is that GnuPG complains clearly when you do that wrong (importing a key while pubring is not writable will fail of course). -- ir. J.C.A. Wevers PGP/GPG public keys at http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/pgpkeys.html ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Fermi estimates
On 14/11/14 03:36, Robert J. Hansen wrote: Whoops! so 10**30 years. The universe is about 10 billion years old, or 10**13 years, so ... our brute-force key cracker takes 10**17 times longer than the age of the universe in order to brute-force a 128-bit key. 10 billion is 10**10, so it takes 10**20 times the age of the universe. But at some point, who's counting? Admittedly, that energy gets released over 10**13 times the age of the universe... 10**20. Thanks for that (and the previous) It makes the brain hurt but raises a few questions in my mind. Does anything prevent the key breaker getting lucky and cracking it first try? It seems to me that all discussions on key breaking with their very large numbers always assume that the last try is THE ONE. And how does the cracker know he has succeeded ? Does he have to pause between each iteration to see if he has 'something good' ? And in the 10**38 key attempts, what's the chance of having multiple apparently 'GOOD ONES' ? Perhaps a double bluff is needed : send the message in plain text with just a hint that it might be encrypted ? Philip ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Fermi estimates
Thanks for that (and the previous) It makes the brain hurt but raises a few questions in my mind. The real purpose of a Fermi estimate isn't to give you solid answers: it's to give you an appreciation of the problem. If it does that, it's done its job. (Also, a listmember named Ineiev points out that I *may* be misapplying the Margolus-Levitin theorem. It's ... interesting. I need to think on it for a while. The objection is basically, that much energy has to be present, but not necessarily released as heat: Landauer still applies. You need something really energetic, but that energy might not be world-ending. I don't know: I need to think about that. :) ) Does anything prevent the key breaker getting lucky and cracking it first try? Nope. The odds are considerably worse than the lottery, though. It seems to me that all discussions on key breaking with their very large numbers always assume that the last try is THE ONE. The assumption is the key is broken after exhausting 50% of the keyspace. And how does the cracker know he has succeeded ? We're assuming the cracker has a crib -- a known message header or something similar. This is usually a safe assumption to make. Does he have to pause between each iteration to see if he has 'something good' ? Checking takes time, yes. And in the 10**38 key attempts, what's the chance of having multiple apparently 'GOOD ONES' ? Infinitesimal. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512
Dear David, dear fellow GnuPG users,
this conversation made me curious, so I tried to do it myself. Here's
what I did on my work laptop, just now, five minutes ago (in my home dir):
$ rm -rf .gnupg
$ scp -r ${myfileserver}:${pathtobackupsfromOTHERlaptop}/.gnupg/ .
(...)
$ rm .gnupg/random_seed
$ echo My hovercraft is full of fish, but I tell everyone they're
eels. my_big_secret.txt
$ gpg --encrypt --recipient 0x65A3F1CC8303C0EC my_big_secret.txt
$ rm my_big_secret.txt
$ gpg --decrypt my_big_secret.txt.gpg
You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for
user: Gabriel Niebler gabriel.nieb...@gmail.com
2048-bit RSA key, ID 0x65A3F1CC8303C0EC, created 2014-03-16
(subkey on main key ID 0xD05AF6C786CB34F4)
gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit RSA key, ID 0x65A3F1CC8303C0EC, created
2014-03-16
Gabriel Niebler gabriel.nieb...@gmail.com
My hovercraft is full of fish, but I tell everyone they're eels.
So this all worked and the fact that this message is signed (using
Enigmail/Thunderbird) is further proof that the method worked for me.
Now that we have established that simply copying over your .gnupg
directory from one machine to another and deleting random_seed does
indeed produce the desired result for some people, maybe you can walk
us through exactly what you did and we'll see if we can't figure out
what the problem is. I suggest copying and pasting shell commands and
their output verbatim.
If you do not want to bother the rest of the list with this you are
welcome to send mails directly to me. I am not an expert, but I'm
willing to help you.
Best
gabe
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Re: Why the software is crap
No one. No one. No one knows how to do this simple task. (a) delete random_seed (b) copy your .gnupg directory over I don't see the problem. I've done this at least fifty different times in the last year as I've stood up virtual machines. If you'd like a copy of the Python script I use to do this quickly, say the word. It probably won't be useful for you unless you stand up a lot of virtual machines, but... As I have said no one has ever successfully transferred their public and private keys between machines and got them to successfully work. That's a real fact. And no one on this list as any practical solutions that work in the real world. That's a fact. The fact is no one on this list has ever done it with 100 per cent success. That's a fact. These are not facts. Take a deep breath. There are people here who want to help you, people who have successfully done what you want to do. Keep a cool head and work the problem. Let's not make matters worse with harsh words, okay? ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Fermi estimates
On 14-11-2014 16:01, Philip Jackson wrote: Does anything prevent the key breaker getting lucky and cracking it first try? No. It's just extremely unlikely. It seems to me that all discussions on key breaking with their very large numbers always assume that the last try is THE ONE. Nu, usually one assumes that brute forcing requires, on average, scanning half the keyspace. And how does the cracker know he has succeeded ? That's the tricky part. If the output of the encryption program is just encrypted text, the only way is to see if there's something recognizable in the decrypted stuff. But most software includes some kind of CRC check or a hash so that can be checked. GnuPG does this. Does he have to pause between each iteration to see if he has 'something good' ? Yes. -- ir. J.C.A. Wevers PGP/GPG public keys at http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/pgpkeys.html ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Help needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2014-11-14 09:33, da...@gbenet.com wrote: But I get the following error when signing my mail: Key 0xAAd8C47D not found or not valid. The (sub-)key might have expired. The key is visible in Enigmail Kgpg Kleopatra GPA I'm not able to edit my key I can't enter my passphrase. The solution may be to re-install pinentry, as described here: http://baitisj.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/enigmail-key-not-found-or-not-valid.html Let us know how you go. Cheers, Jason -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUZh+YAAoJED1Q2DsLuMaGmYIP/RzDDFeaFVwqxAHx/cROIqmF wUCMY+IuXfO8XfWhggDUJ6u7j0EChuAe6lXjpc59YgkmQXCeyOofVgMw0F2ml/lM amvxOFJk2EO+nAoqvzeCyaEhb1RhO/x4nZyF4/3PgvEHs/J38PqLL1MNmJ4phXLJ MweGuwxGgqP+jB4lZNoTzZ0/cXFneCdV7sgLyycIBFldNGlSB9q/8n+N/6N8zeTu 7c22yTCQYan1T/l1YP/MsYXLm1gWfgEDHUR7e0nkvch0bHLyYVqSKrUdkLxAL0+p cPb7x6TMYvmd0gPX4yjAFVYLOmoV2RYOS6j34UCsqIuSSJhT+N82r6/ReLolz+hC EuFF4vr4DLcrV6ASNeoSmhiDmKhwbzH05pHbziPxrUWMfDag6ve80HAeBF9bT4jy bg+H9QZ1NOqjOgu4y+f0ueigOtvhSA4vAeFjjgarHCXirkXFzgpYJVovqXRapOyE rO5J79cxBJmUkG4rMlt18GfvX+bzjwfu3aDd3NFFNiKajTTymGtWjmkuVNkZ36Yp r+JRwfgIYdKVTGztEHzThCgF7ljo4qYtExvU79ZqVGpFrSsXiQ/pPx837PlEOdKN Wu7ZksZIv6dJFGVXTkx34EiOkQfzm/yvCKwXyRS38jxjB4c6cCQIT7zfir962/Oz frRWGclfUsgb+I6m1JF9 =hUx5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: gpg4usb: Portable GUI for GnuPG
On 11/13/2014 at 5:23 PM, Robert J. Hansen r...@sixdemonbag.org wrote: Putting it on CD-ROM might be a pretty cool idea = It's already been done by UPR. https://www.privacy-cd.org/en It uses Ubuntu 12.04 with GnuPG and pre-7.2 Truecrypt already installed. (open source roll-your-own available). I've tried it a few times and found it interesting, in that I couldn't access anything on the host computer's hard disc, or go online, features instituted to protect the UPR user, but also protects the host computer, (and makes it easier to get permission to *borrow* a frend's laptop to do some work on files on my usb ;-) ) Anyone here have any experience with it? TIA, vedaal ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Help needed
On 14/11/14 15:28, Jason Antony wrote: On 2014-11-14 09:33, da...@gbenet.com wrote: But I get the following error when signing my mail: Key 0xAAd8C47D not found or not valid. The (sub-)key might have expired. The key is visible in Enigmail Kgpg Kleopatra GPA I'm not able to edit my key I can't enter my passphrase. The solution may be to re-install pinentry, as described here: http://baitisj.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/enigmail-key-not-found-or-not-valid.html Let us know how you go. Cheers, Jason ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users I get: david@laptop-1:~$ sudo pkg install pinentry-gtk2 [sudo] password for david: sudo: pkg: command not found david@laptop-1:~$ sudo apt-get install pinentry-gtk2 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done pinentry-gtk2 is already the newest version. pinentry-gtk2 set to manually installed. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. david@laptop-1:~$ So that's a complete failure David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On 14/11/14 11:47, NdK wrote: Il 14/11/2014 12:41, da...@gbenet.com ha scritto: I usually just lurk, but that's too much... I even tried exporting my private and public key from the command line and then tried importing. The same error message as before. I have checked on the internet - most of the suggestions are crap - the authors have never ever tried to do what they suggest others to do. If they had done so then they would have known just how crappy their supposed expertise was. I have even looked through https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html and found this to be a useless pile of crap also. Surely you're doing it wrong, overlooking some passage. So don't blame others for something *you* are doing wrong. I am faced with two options: (1) Create yet another set of keys (2) Give up using gnupg after some 20 years (3) Do it the right way as everyone else and admit you were doing something wrong. I think I will unsubscribe from this list and give up on gnupg as a pile of crap. And that will be better for the whole community. BYtE, Diego. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users Another completely pointless response David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
On 14/11/14 12:15, Jason Antony wrote: On 2014-11-14 22:45, da...@gbenet.com wrote: I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS. But many have succeeded in it. Add myself to the list of people who have successfully backed up and re-used my GPG data files for over ten years, across various operating systems. It would be best to re-visit the problem when you're in a clear, calm frame of mind. All the best, Jason ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users Another pointless answer - no practical data - so there's no validity in what you say David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On 14/11/14 12:37, Samir Nassar wrote: David, It might not be clear, but many of us have easily and simply migrated our .gnupg directories from computer to computer. I've even deleted my .gnupg directory and restored it from backups. I've intentionally messed up my private key and restored my private key to working status from backups. I guess I don't understand why you can't copy .gnupg from one system to another system. Yelling on the mailing list is extremely rude. It is now very clear, and archived, how you feel about the topic. Repeating yourself further in the manner you have been using will only alienate people and will not move you to a resolution. You've registered your complaint, it has been discussed, and now your behavior is counter-productive. Samir ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users Backups don't work there are no practical solutions and therefor what you say haS NO VALIDITY David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On 14/11/14 12:41, Tristan Santore wrote: On 14/11/14 13:24, da...@gbenet.com wrote: On 14/11/14 11:55, Martin Behrendt wrote: Am 14.11.2014 um 12:41 schrieb da...@gbenet.com: Hello All, I even tried exporting my private and public key from the command line and then tried importing. The same error message as before. I have checked on the internet - most of the suggestions are crap - the authors have never ever tried to do what they suggest others to do. If they had done so then they would have known just how crappy their supposed expertise was. I have even looked through https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html and found this to be a useless pile of crap also. I am faced with two options: (1) Create yet another set of keys (2) Give up using gnupg after some 20 years I think I will unsubscribe from this list and give up on gnupg as a pile of crap. David I think unsubscribing is the best thing you can do. Because you probably successfully destroyed the good intension and motivation of anyone helping you, with the offending nonsense you wrote in your last mails. If you are angry just shut up and write again after you cooled yourself down. The problem is more likely with you because there are not many people reporting such problems. And I can tell from my own experience that it is not even a problem copying the content of the gnupg directory between windows and linux. Tried that successfully. Maybe you should read the FAQ again (and try to understand what is written). Maybe there is a difference between exporting the public part of a key and the private part. Anyway, enjoy your life. Martin ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users Martin, I have cooled. You can export your private key - you can export your public key. You can import your private key you can import your public key. In 20 years I have always had the same problem - the same error message and have each time created a new set of keys. I have done this 4 times. I notice that no one on this list - for all the talk of oh I've done it can offer no practical information has to HOW. No one. No one. No one knows how to do this simple task. In all my 20 years I have never found out how. Perhaps things are different under a Windows O/S but on Linux there is NO SOLUTION. Perhaps the only solution is to import ones private and public keys and lose all your contacts - ie a brand new installation. But I repeat BUT no one has ever created a mirror image of a .gnupg and had a fully 100 per cent working signing and encryption functionality. No one. There are no real practical solutions written anywhere on the internet. There is nothing of any value in https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html - there never was in all the 20 years of reading it. Sure you can moan criticise me for my getting frustrated - and you can all moan and cringe and all withdraw your support - BUT NO ONE HAS EVER OFFERED ANY PRACTICAL USEFUL ADVICE THAT WILL ENABLE ME TO TRANSFER MY KEYS AND HAVE THEM WORKING CORRECTLY. NO ONE. NOT EVEN YOU. You are offended? Why? It is an easy thing to do is it not to moan about what and how people express themselves - yet you completely ignore the real issue. You ignore is because you can offer no real meaningful solution. As I have said no one has ever successfully transferred their public and private keys between machines and got them to successfully work. That's a real fact. And no one on this list as any practical solutions that work in the real world. That's a fact. The fact is no one on this list has ever done it with 100 per cent success. That's a fact. There is no practical advice on the internet. That's a fact. David David, I am pretty sure I have seen advice on how to backup and restore your keys, if not on this list, in the countless smartcard how to. I must admit I have not followed previous threads from you, but you must admit and be fair, that generally most people here are friendly and supportive. But I have seen the topic come up a few times, so maybe this is a security versus usability issue ? But again, I have not followed exactly what your problem is. Just wanted to point out that most people are reasonably helpful and friendly. Labelling gnupg as crap is, not exactly a fair assessment I think, and falls within the lines of labelling selinux crap, because people do not understand it/are confused by what is going on. Anyway. I hope you work it out in the end and I am sure, somebody will be willing yo nudge you in the right direction. Regards, Tristan Another pointless response David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No
Re: My Conclusions
On 14/11/14 12:46, Werner Koch wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:34, nicholas.c...@gmail.com said: I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense. Of course people move keys between machines all the time. I have done Right. And you may even copy it from one OS to an entirely different one. The files are fully platform independent. Yet another of these gnome-keyring-daemon problems? Salam-Shalom, Werner Werner, I have done everything - but have a complete and absolute failure. Nothing works - I get the same error time and time again. David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
On 14/11/14 13:14, Johan Wevers wrote: On 14-11-2014 12:45, da...@gbenet.com wrote: I have done everything correctly Apparently not. Or maybe the files are corrupted? Do they still work on the original computer? - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS. I did. Switched even between Linux and Windows, no problems. In the latter case, I did make a few changes to gnupg.conf since Windows has a different directory structure but that's all. THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER EVER DONE IT. Stop shouting, we're neither deaf nor blind. Everything works 100 per cent fine on the other laptop David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On 14/11/14 13:11, NdK wrote: Il 14/11/2014 13:24, da...@gbenet.com ha scritto: I have cooled. You can export your private key - you can export your public key. You can import your private key you can import your public key. In 20 years I have always had the same problem - the same error message and have each time created a new set of keys. I have done this 4 times. If all four times you did the same wrong thing, then it's obvious that you got the same wrong result. Just to prove it's your error, I copied my .gnupg from one system (str957-142) to another (str957-004), with the most basic method I ould think of. I'm not an expert (probably I transferred more than what was needed!), but as you can see I succeeded at the first try! diego@str957-142:~$ gpg --list-secret-keys /home/diego/.gnupg/secring.gpg sec 2048R/F9B9D307 2014-11-14 uid Diego t...@example.com ssb 2048R/3A4AD1C0 2014-11-14 diego@str957-142:~$ tar cvfz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz --exclude random_seed .gnupg diego@str957-142:~$ gpg --clearsign GnuPG-backup.tar.gz È necessaria una passphrase per sbloccare la chiave segreta dell'utente: Diego t...@example.com 2048-bit chiave RSA, ID F9B9D307, creata 2014-11-14 diego@str957-142:~$ ls GnuPG-backup.tar.gz* GnuPG-backup.tar.gz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz.asc diego@str957-142:~$ scp GnuPG-backup.tar.gz diego@str957-004:/home/diego Then on the other PC: diego@str957-004:~$ tar xvfz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz .gnupg/ .gnupg/gpg-agent-info .gnupg/pubring.kbx .gnupg/gpg.conf .gnupg/private-keys-v1.d/ .gnupg/reader_0.status .gnupg/pubring.gpg~ .gnupg/secring.gpg .gnupg/scdaemon.conf .gnupg/gpa.conf .gnupg/trustdb.gpg .gnupg/pubring.gpg diego@str957-004:~$ gpg --clearsign GnuPG-backup.tar.gz È necessaria una passphrase per sbloccare la chiave segreta dell'utente: Diego t...@example.com 2048-bit chiave RSA, ID F9B9D307, creata 2014-11-14 diego@str957-004:~$ gpg --verify GnuPG-backup.tar.gz.asc gpg: Firma eseguita in data ven 14 nov 2014 14:07:57 CET usando RSA, ID chiave F9B9D307 gpg: Firma valida da Diego t...@example.com I notice that no one on this list - for all the talk of oh I've done it can offer no practical information has to HOW. No one. No one. No one knows how to do this simple task. In all my 20 years I have never found out how. Perhaps things are different under a Windows O/S but on Linux there is NO SOLUTION. Done just now in Ubuntu. So there's an error on your side. BYtE, Diego. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users I have a clean install of 64 bit LXD - all programmes are working 100 per cent. My keys get imported perfectly - every programme including Enigmail knows they are there. But when I try to sign or sign and encrypt I get the error referred too. No amount of copying no amount of backups no amount of anything will change that fact. David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On 14/11/14 13:31, Johan Wevers wrote: On 14-11-2014 13:24, da...@gbenet.com wrote: I have cooled. You can export your private key - you can export your public key. I've never done that, except when I imported my old pgp 2.x keys in GnuPG a long time ago (sometime when GnuPG became really usable on windows, with 1.0.4 or so). Exporting and re-importing keys can often lead to warnings about thrust issues. I just copied pubring.gpg, secring.gpg, trustdb.gpg and gpg.conf. The last one sometimes required manual editing, especially in the time when IDEA and RSA were loadable modules, but that's long over. Sometimes the owner/group and properties need to be set but my experience is that GnuPG complains clearly when you do that wrong (importing a key while pubring is not writable will fail of course). That fails David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On 14/11/14 13:38, Gabriel Niebler wrote:
Dear David, dear fellow GnuPG users,
this conversation made me curious, so I tried to do it myself. Here's
what I did on my work laptop, just now, five minutes ago (in my home dir):
$ rm -rf .gnupg
$ scp -r ${myfileserver}:${pathtobackupsfromOTHERlaptop}/.gnupg/ .
(...)
$ rm .gnupg/random_seed
$ echo My hovercraft is full of fish, but I tell everyone they're
eels. my_big_secret.txt
$ gpg --encrypt --recipient 0x65A3F1CC8303C0EC my_big_secret.txt
$ rm my_big_secret.txt
$ gpg --decrypt my_big_secret.txt.gpg
You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for
user: Gabriel Niebler gabriel.nieb...@gmail.com
2048-bit RSA key, ID 0x65A3F1CC8303C0EC, created 2014-03-16
(subkey on main key ID 0xD05AF6C786CB34F4)
gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit RSA key, ID 0x65A3F1CC8303C0EC, created
2014-03-16
Gabriel Niebler gabriel.nieb...@gmail.com
My hovercraft is full of fish, but I tell everyone they're eels.
So this all worked and the fact that this message is signed (using
Enigmail/Thunderbird) is further proof that the method worked for me.
Now that we have established that simply copying over your .gnupg
directory from one machine to another and deleting random_seed does
indeed produce the desired result for some people, maybe you can walk
us through exactly what you did and we'll see if we can't figure out
what the problem is. I suggest copying and pasting shell commands and
their output verbatim.
If you do not want to bother the rest of the list with this you are
welcome to send mails directly to me. I am not an expert, but I'm
willing to help you.
Best
gabe
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I tried this with my keys - it was successful - I even imported my keys
successfully but I
get the same error as before.
David
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the
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death. No
delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com
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Re: My Conclusions
David, I've read most of your emails about this, and I don't see any description of the command you have entered or the error you are getting. Trying to diagnose it doesn't work error reports is a little like trying to type blind: you might get it right, but you'll probably just frustrate anyone trying to read what you've written. The standard way to report errors is: 1. What are you trying to do? 2. What command(s) did you enter exactly? 3. What did you expect to see? 4. What did you actually see? So far, I can only see the answer to question 1. N. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 5:11 PM, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote: On 14/11/14 11:56, Nicole Faerber wrote: Oh please, I am using gnupg with the same keys on at least five machines with no issue. I simply copied the .gnupg directory, end of story. Cheers nicole Am 14.11.2014 um 12:45 schrieb da...@gbenet.com: On 14/11/14 11:34, Nicholas Cole wrote: David, I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense. Of course people move keys between machines all the time. I have done it myself often. I don't think that anyone deserves that level of abuse -- certainly not someone who has put years of work into a program that is an industry standard and released it for free. Nicholas On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote: Hi All, After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple task namely to get a fully functioning gnupg mirror on my 64 bit Linux system - I realise this is an impossible task to do. In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates - but this time round I thought that I would apply some effort. My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From The Same O/S To Another Machine. There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted it. And if they have THEY HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this list knows how to do it successfully. No one. NOT ONE OF YOU can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it to work. This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at encryption and signing but the programme is fundamentally flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are PERFECT but the software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows it's crap. So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE TO CREATE ANOTHER SET A BLOODY KEYS I am not a happy bunny!!! David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS. THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER EVER DONE IT. David Viele Grüße nicole faerber ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users That does not work David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
On 14/11/14 11:56, Nicole Faerber wrote: Oh please, I am using gnupg with the same keys on at least five machines with no issue. I simply copied the .gnupg directory, end of story. Cheers nicole Am 14.11.2014 um 12:45 schrieb da...@gbenet.com: On 14/11/14 11:34, Nicholas Cole wrote: David, I'm sorry you are having problems, but I think this is just nonsense. Of course people move keys between machines all the time. I have done it myself often. I don't think that anyone deserves that level of abuse -- certainly not someone who has put years of work into a program that is an industry standard and released it for free. Nicholas On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote: Hi All, After spending 62 hours on what I thought would be a simple task namely to get a fully functioning gnupg mirror on my 64 bit Linux system - I realise this is an impossible task to do. In the past I've ended up creating a new set of certificates - but this time round I thought that I would apply some effort. My conclusion is It IS Impossible To Transfer Your Keys From The Same O/S To Another Machine. There is no one in the entire universe that has ever attempted it. And if they have THEY HAVE FAILED. Not one person on this list knows how to do it successfully. No one. NOT ONE OF YOU can transfer a mirror image of your .gnupg folder and expect it to work. This tells me what I have long suspected - yes it's good at encryption and signing but the programme is fundamentally flawed as to make it utter crap. My keys are PERFECT but the software is CRAP. Werner Koch knows it's crap. Every one knows it's crap. So, If I want to go on signing and encrypting my emails I HAVE TO CREATE ANOTHER SET A BLOODY KEYS I am not a happy bunny!!! David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users I have done everything correctly - and my conclusions are still the same NO ONE HAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MADE A MIRROR COPY OF THEIR .GNUPG AND HAD A FULLY 100 PER CENT WORKING SIGNING AND ENCRYPTION PROGRAMME THAT WORKS. THERE IS NO CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE - SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER EVER DONE IT. David Viele Grüße nicole faerber ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users That does not work David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Dear David, On 14. November 2014 18:30:19 MEZ, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote: On 14/11/14 13:38, Gabriel Niebler wrote: (...) (...) maybe you can walk us through exactly what you did and we'll see if we can't figure out what the problem is. I suggest copying and pasting shell commands and their output verbatim. If you do not want to bother the rest of the list with this you are welcome to send mails directly to me. I am not an expert, but I'm willing to help you. (...) I tried this with my keys - it was successful - I even imported my keys successfully but I get the same error as before. Could you please show me exactly what you did, i.e. copy and paste the shell session(s), commands and output. Also, please make it clear which session was run on the origin (where everything works) and which was run on the target (where things don't work). (Feel free to censor whatever you feel is sensisitive info, of course.) I really don't believe I can help you without a clear picture what commands you ran and the output they produced. Don't despair, we'll get it working yet! Best gabe -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQFJBAEBCgAzBQJUZkjmLBxHYWJyaWVsIE5pZWJsZXIgPGdhYnJpZWwubmllYmxl ckBnbWFpbC5jb20+AAoJEO7XEikU4kSzeE4H+wXeFGYeazka0Ck3Cy0xch2nX9Xm ySGS8N+/1DrGwotHbQfmnEPqhQzK914897G3p8QCuU8enbaYmq27Kig21iqsGRIW AZNxe9M8aB+WR7oP0YaqmgnM8P/9HykKWCNvNaCLjVZUDSg2JQS1h8WwjYQhTCPe NQY6YYjtK98XewVQKkKR3+HKYYFPMF9cmFvTTihl4fBDfGZUkcBu+u3nZesfX899 ARBXAeHGSNAras13FDkhfydGTq6eQPK14SQ6jhnfQ7S3BnADRegl/szMe4PlLmc5 5A+TQhWvmCt5neWEJYuLKTiHd1H8OaSGkjPimr4XkpGesGHKQJixFvdO+8k= =0lWi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
Speaking as someone who has worked in a computer support organization for over 40 years, I must say you make it extremely hard for someone to help you. You have been asked to provide a list of commands and their output numerous times. You have been provided with some command lines to run, with the expectation that you'd provide the output from those commands. Simply stating That does not work. does not help anyone help you, and the abuse you have heaped upon people trying to tell you that make them not want to help further. Can you, or can you not, provide a cut/paste of what you are trying to do, which includes the actual command lines you are executing, and the output from the commands that are being executed? Regards, Charlie -Original Message- From: Gnupg-users [mailto:gnupg-users-bounces+cspitzer=godaddy@gnupg.org] On Behalf Of da...@gbenet.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:12 AM To: Nicole Faerber; gnupg-users@gnupg.org Subject: Re: My Conclusions [Charles Spitzer] snip That does not work David ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Help needed
On Friday 14 November 2014 17:05:12 da...@gbenet.com wrote: david@laptop-1:~$ sudo pkg install pinentry-gtk2 [sudo] password for david: sudo: pkg: command not found david@laptop-1:~$ sudo apt-get install pinentry-gtk2 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done pinentry-gtk2 is already the newest version. pinentry-gtk2 set to manually installed. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. david@laptop-1:~$ So that's a complete failure That seems a little harsh, doesn't it? ;-) After all, you now know that you do indeed have the pinentry-gtk2 installed, and we know that you use a Debian-based distro. Now, you could try to verify that pinentry-gtk2 is the pinentry program that you normally use: $ grep pinentry-program ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf pinentry-program /usr/bin/pinentry-qt4 If not, you should ensure that the right pinentry program for your environment is installed (like you did before with pinentry-gtk2): $ sudo apt-get install pinentry-qt4 If you don't find the cause of the problem in this way, then there's still enough time left to despair if you so wish… Cheers, Johannes ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
Il 14/11/2014 18:24, da...@gbenet.com ha scritto: I have a clean install of 64 bit LXD - all programmes are working 100 per cent. My keys get imported perfectly - every programme including Enigmail knows they are there. But when I try to sign or sign and encrypt I get the error referred too. No amount of copying no amount of backups no amount of anything will change that fact. Then do what we've already done to try to help you: open a terminal on the source machine, type the commands and cutpaste to the list. Unless you do that, showing *exactly* what you've done, I doubt anybody can help you: all our crystal balls are broken... And I'm *not* going to try to help you again unless I see that cutpaste. Wasted time. BYtE, Diego. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, da...@gbenet.com wrote: Hello All, I even tried exporting my private and public key from the command line and then tried importing. The same error message as before. I have checked on the internet - most of the suggestions are crap - the authors have never ever tried to do what they suggest others to do. If they had done so then they would have known just how crappy their supposed expertise was. I have even looked through https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html and found this to be a useless pile of crap also. I am faced with two options: (1) Create yet another set of keys (2) Give up using gnupg after some 20 years I think I will unsubscribe from this list and give up on gnupg as a pile of crap. David Of course you are, in part, right. GnuPG should be easier to set up and use. The GnuPG team is well aware of this and work to make GnuPG easier to use. But your claims as to the difficulty of moving keys are not true. Yesterday at a large organization, I explained to a cow-orker how to create and distribute keys. The meeting did not take two hours. We are now testing the sub-system, and so far, it seems to work, that is, it does the job of encryption and decryption. You claim that you cannot just copy over .gnupg from machine A to machine B and get a working set of keys on machine B. But I have done this successfully more than a few times. I do not have a page of instructions, but if you wish, I will meet with you and we can try to find and/or write such a page. I think there already exists such a page, published on the Net, and published in paper and ink book form, but I will not look for it now. oo--JS. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, NdK ndk.cla...@gmail.com wrote: Il 14/11/2014 13:24, da...@gbenet.com ha scritto: I have cooled. You can export your private key - you can export your public key. You can import your private key you can import your public key. In 20 years I have always had the same problem - the same error message and have each time created a new set of keys. I have done this 4 times. If all four times you did the same wrong thing, then it's obvious that you got the same wrong result. Just to prove it's your error, I copied my .gnupg from one system (str957-142) to another (str957-004), with the most basic method I ould think of. I'm not an expert (probably I transferred more than what was needed!), but as you can see I succeeded at the first try! diego@str957-142:~$ gpg --list-secret-keys /home/diego/.gnupg/secring.gpg sec 2048R/F9B9D307 2014-11-14 uid Diego t...@example.com ssb 2048R/3A4AD1C0 2014-11-14 diego@str957-142:~$ tar cvfz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz --exclude random_seed .gnupg diego@str957-142:~$ gpg --clearsign GnuPG-backup.tar.gz ?? necessaria una passphrase per sbloccare la chiave segreta dell'utente: Diego t...@example.com 2048-bit chiave RSA, ID F9B9D307, creata 2014-11-14 diego@str957-142:~$ ls GnuPG-backup.tar.gz* GnuPG-backup.tar.gz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz.asc diego@str957-142:~$ scp GnuPG-backup.tar.gz diego@str957-004:/home/diego Then on the other PC: diego@str957-004:~$ tar xvfz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz .gnupg/ .gnupg/gpg-agent-info .gnupg/pubring.kbx .gnupg/gpg.conf .gnupg/private-keys-v1.d/ .gnupg/reader_0.status .gnupg/pubring.gpg~ .gnupg/secring.gpg .gnupg/scdaemon.conf .gnupg/gpa.conf .gnupg/trustdb.gpg .gnupg/pubring.gpg diego@str957-004:~$ gpg --clearsign GnuPG-backup.tar.gz ?? necessaria una passphrase per sbloccare la chiave segreta dell'utente: Diego t...@example.com 2048-bit chiave RSA, ID F9B9D307, creata 2014-11-14 diego@str957-004:~$ gpg --verify GnuPG-backup.tar.gz.asc gpg: Firma eseguita in data ven 14 nov 2014 14:07:57 CET usando RSA, ID chiave F9B9D307 gpg: Firma valida da Diego t...@example.com I notice that no one on this list - for all the talk of oh I've done it can offer no practical information has to HOW. No one. No one. No one knows how to do this simple task. In all my 20 years I have never found out how. Perhaps things are different under a Windows O/S but on Linux there is NO SOLUTION. Done just now in Ubuntu. So there's an error on your side. BYtE, Diego. Thank you, Diego! One failure of the culture of Usenet and many mailing lists is an unreasonable reluctance to publish exact specific code, in answer to a question about how to do something. Often an answer of this form is given: Ah, you just have to frobniculate the upper side parser, then reduce the dimension of the third homotopy group by killing all high pressure *reverse* constraints forced by the file which specifies the Lipschitz spectrum, at level 2. Then just restart the daemon. It may take a minute or two, if the network checks are fully enabled, but that is the only trouble I have ever had, doing it this way. Some vora114 administrators recommend re-compiling all of the Lipschitz spectrum, some even suggest regenerating the Sobolev softmax pragmata, but I have never found that necessary. which is correct, and easily understood by anyone who already knows how to do the task, but difficult to understand, if you do not already know how to do the task. A more useful answer is: Become root on the machine. Then do root@example:~# cd /etc/vora114 root@example:~# cp -a lipschitz.conf lipschitz.conf.bak root@example:~# echo frob upper 2 safe side-parse.conf root@example:~# echo :l2 v.. greater-than l2.l.rev.remove root@example:~# grep -v -f l2.l.rev.remove lipschitz.conf lipschitz.conf.temp root@example:~# mv lipschitz.conf.temp lipschitz.conf root@example:~# /etc/init.d/vora114 force-reload You may, if vora114 checks all network connections, have to wait a few minutes for vora114 to fully start. So wait five minutes and then do root@example:~# /etc/init.d/vora114 status and send us a copy of the first sixty lines of output. oo--JS. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: My Conclusions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2014-11-15 04:13, da...@gbenet.com wrote: Another pointless answer - no practical data - so there's no validity in what you say You are squandering the goodwill of those trying to help you with such responses, of which you have sent many more. No one has an obligation to assist you, especially when their requests for terminal output are ignored, instead met with childish tantrums and hissy fits. If you want results, learn to behave in a mature manner. Be polite, and work with us. Else, feel free to leave the list. We do not need belligerent ingrates. Regards, Jason -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUZnuNAAoJED1Q2DsLuMaG6IEP/jVu/10yNH61YciCs8h8MbwG JXGDZMG6Ob9jCsYYLm1IknLtoC1aTV1l84Eo4KTo+8rzpifiucDaKgkbd3292Zpy SM8JPXJGF8yxgNOENAr7zsv8AfyecPE3ec2aboGNUF+dtMLnQHt2j+xNahwnfsXp HOVcv9GbQWzak6TToeeE5uTsKSCIRtGgRiSM2Bw38eyGruROzYXD8v6ud2VHV/u4 C9v9CsPwkULpLhfCtLB2rymK+R//WlzFocdx+2ckDES6e/6bn1MyvQHtv5jUZrYw gr5fmvULnbrcjdrm3XuGbhApHaATx1UbETTBNoJahQFdLW0OVBQwfoAsBtF76bZ0 2EUU0fGvtiClBFV9m03aaIccWNm6nC0lvYsaKFl5vp345rfhZ4tnKUP/Hb+NT2KC S4SE8S3uVyNky52GE7CsdA+jRIVfiLpWj4P9wWwNGkC9j5+cSb/IyOP+7e8zSvaO QZ97IB45AUMZX2mmS2ERYrdtt5vx60fhH8NTeiFUEBCJt7ZpkG37mCj3oSE/n91t Ukn7IJJrxZwgotemc70ju5+b0X2tTOBYAtnK44ESCafabpRHIO541V7oib4hV8ss laaCiU7WNw0P4CVSCoMBRePCh2qqH4BxrwiF3+Tp3dRgiR9JQuA0eSHKPufThQzD PiBjrcJDyLFOz9I8o5T1 =3TmU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
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Re: Why the software is crap
Something is strange, I don't know much about this stuff but it seems important to you to have encryption working. It is so easy these days to install an OS automagically I would, in your case, make a fresh installation on some other machine and do what it is you want to do to prove a point. Then once you see it working you have confidence. Cheers Mick -- Key ID: 0x4BFEBB31 On 14 Nov 2014, at 17:24, da...@gbenet.com da...@gbenet.com wrote: On 14/11/14 13:11, NdK wrote: Il 14/11/2014 13:24, da...@gbenet.com ha scritto: I have cooled. You can export your private key - you can export your public key. You can import your private key you can import your public key. In 20 years I have always had the same problem - the same error message and have each time created a new set of keys. I have done this 4 times. If all four times you did the same wrong thing, then it's obvious that you got the same wrong result. Just to prove it's your error, I copied my .gnupg from one system (str957-142) to another (str957-004), with the most basic method I ould think of. I'm not an expert (probably I transferred more than what was needed!), but as you can see I succeeded at the first try! diego@str957-142:~$ gpg --list-secret-keys /home/diego/.gnupg/secring.gpg sec 2048R/F9B9D307 2014-11-14 uid Diego t...@example.com ssb 2048R/3A4AD1C0 2014-11-14 diego@str957-142:~$ tar cvfz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz --exclude random_seed .gnupg diego@str957-142:~$ gpg --clearsign GnuPG-backup.tar.gz È necessaria una passphrase per sbloccare la chiave segreta dell'utente: Diego t...@example.com 2048-bit chiave RSA, ID F9B9D307, creata 2014-11-14 diego@str957-142:~$ ls GnuPG-backup.tar.gz* GnuPG-backup.tar.gz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz.asc diego@str957-142:~$ scp GnuPG-backup.tar.gz diego@str957-004:/home/diego Then on the other PC: diego@str957-004:~$ tar xvfz GnuPG-backup.tar.gz .gnupg/ .gnupg/gpg-agent-info .gnupg/pubring.kbx .gnupg/gpg.conf .gnupg/private-keys-v1.d/ .gnupg/reader_0.status .gnupg/pubring.gpg~ .gnupg/secring.gpg .gnupg/scdaemon.conf .gnupg/gpa.conf .gnupg/trustdb.gpg .gnupg/pubring.gpg diego@str957-004:~$ gpg --clearsign GnuPG-backup.tar.gz È necessaria una passphrase per sbloccare la chiave segreta dell'utente: Diego t...@example.com 2048-bit chiave RSA, ID F9B9D307, creata 2014-11-14 diego@str957-004:~$ gpg --verify GnuPG-backup.tar.gz.asc gpg: Firma eseguita in data ven 14 nov 2014 14:07:57 CET usando RSA, ID chiave F9B9D307 gpg: Firma valida da Diego t...@example.com I notice that no one on this list - for all the talk of oh I've done it can offer no practical information has to HOW. No one. No one. No one knows how to do this simple task. In all my 20 years I have never found out how. Perhaps things are different under a Windows O/S but on Linux there is NO SOLUTION. Done just now in Ubuntu. So there's an error on your side. BYtE, Diego. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users I have a clean install of 64 bit LXD - all programmes are working 100 per cent. My keys get imported perfectly - every programme including Enigmail knows they are there. But when I try to sign or sign and encrypt I get the error referred too. No amount of copying no amount of backups no amount of anything will change that fact. David -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 23:28:49 +0100 Heinz Diehl htd...@fritha.org wrote: ___ /| /| | | ||__|| | Please don't | / O O\__ feed | / \ the troll | / \ \| / _\ \ -- /|\\ \ || / | | | |\/ || / \|_|_|/ |__|| / / \|| || / | | /|| --| | | |// | --| * _| |_|_|_| | \-/ *-- _--\ _ \ // | / _ \\ _ // |/ * / \_ /- | - | | * ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c It was starting to look like Usenet in here. On a group that I frequent we (TINW - There Is No We) had a nearly three year campaign by a troll end recently. His technique was to ask for help on multiple problems and then claim that the solutions offered didn't work on Linux, but weren't even needed on Windows. -- Mike yes he did get abusive and insulting quickly Yetto That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be. - P. C. Hodgell pgpVVLFdpTIx4.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
On 15/11/14 00:11, Michael A. Yetto wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 23:28:49 +0100 Heinz Diehl htd...@fritha.org wrote: ___ /| /| | | ||__|| | Please don't | / O O\__ feed | / \ the troll | / \ \| / _\ \ -- /|\\ \ || / | | | |\/ || / \|_|_|/ |__|| / / \|| || / | | /|| --| | | |// | --| * _| |_|_|_| | \-/ *-- _--\ _ \ // | / _ \\ _ // |/ * / \_ /- | - | | * ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c It was starting to look like Usenet in here. On a group that I frequent we (TINW - There Is No We) had a nearly three year campaign by a troll end recently. His technique was to ask for help on multiple problems and then claim that the solutions offered didn't work on Linux, but weren't even needed on Windows. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users We call those people, time waster trolls in IRC land. Regards, Tristan -- Tristan Santore BSc MBCS TS4523-RIPE Network and Infrastructure Operations InterNexusConnect Mobile +44-78-55069812 tristan.sant...@internexusconnect.net Former Thawte Notary (Please note: Thawte has closed its WoT programme down, and I am therefore no longer able to accredit trust) For Fedora related issues, please email me at: tsant...@fedoraproject.org ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Why the software is crap
Heinz Diehl wrote: ||__|| | Please don't | / O O\__ feed | / \ the troll | Best forcibly un-subscribe da...@gbenet.com. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix C Sys Eng Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Indent previous with . Interleave reply paragraphs like a play script. Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or multipart/alternative. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
