[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Arthur Sale
Oh dear Stevan. When I try to help you I get rubbished. You really have to
stop using knee-jerk reactions.

 

I fully agree Pay-per-view (PPV) is not ideal, and you know that I know it
better than most. I was responding to your very off-target message about
'anarchic' practices (green) vs 'systemic' (gold).  Neither is an accurate
epithet. We both want open access to articles, not toll access, and we know
it will be cheaper.  I think that totally deals succinctly with your points
(1), (2), 3), (4), (5), (6), and (8).

 

That leaves points (7), (9) and (10).  While I agree that Green OA is the
potentially faster and cheaper route, it simply ain't going to happen soon.
Maybe it might if the OA movement got behind the Titanium route. There
simply isn't the wish amongst researchers, funders, universities or the
governments to push Green OA. So much for point (7). The Green route leads
to another couple of lost decades.

 

As to (9) and (10) I was taking the point of view of a systemic bureaucrat
(aka devil's advocate). Green mandates are a lost cause. They have failed to
have an impact after too many years. Looking at the global research
publication system, it is anti-competitive as an industry, calling out for
strong competition. What better than to provide some?

 

Arthur

 

 

 

From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf
Of Stevan Harnad
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 1:57 PM
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

 

Dear Arthur,

 

(1) For years and years I did not refer to toll-access as subscription
access but as subscription/license/pay-per-view (S/L/PPV). (Google the
AmSci Forum archives in the late 90's and early 2000's and I'll find
countless instances.)  PPV is neither satisfactory for most users nor is it
affordable, scalable or sustainable for most institutions. (If it were,
subscriptions would already be cancelled unsustainably. PPV is a parasitic
niche market.)

 

(2) S/L/PPV are all forms of toll access, and I don't believe for a second
that any of them provides sufficient access. 

 

(3) That's why I (and many others) have been struggling for open access
(OA).

 

(4) It is true that where we are now [is]paying to read articles

 

(5) But for me it is certainly not true that where we want to be [is]
paying to publish articles

 

(6) Where I want to be (and have wanted to be for two decades) is OA:
toll-free online access to articles.

 

(7) I also think the fastest, surest, most direct and cheapest way to 100%
OA is to mandate Green Gratis OA.

 

(8) I also happen to expect that 100% Green OA will lead to Gold Libre OA
(pay-to-publish) and the total cost will be far lower than is was with
S/L/PPV.

 

(9) If Finch had done a better analysis, then instead of squandering scarce
research money to pay extra for pre-emptive Gold OA, they would have
extended and strengthened UK's cost-free Green OA mandates.

 

(10) I'm hoping RCUK may still have the sense and integrity to fix its
policy and do just that.

 

Stevan

 

 

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Arthur Sale a...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

I completely follow your argument Stevan, and agree with it, as far as it
goes.  There is however an aspect that you have not covered, and you should
include it in your analysis.

You write as though reader-side subscriptions were the only alternative to
author-side publishing fees as a way of funding publishers.  (As ways of
funding access one must add green access too, to save you telling me so.) In
fact many universities have another option: pay-per-view. The University of
Tasmania (mine) has had a system of this sort in place since at least 1998,
whereby any researcher can request (online in the intranet) an article from
any journal to which the University does not subscribe, and the Document
Delivery service will provide an e-copy (usually a pdf) usually within two
days.  Yes this is not instant, but serious researchers are prepared to wait
that long, despite the nay-sayers. The University picks up the cost up to a
reasonable limit; if the cost is over the Department has to agree to fund
the difference. This seldom happens, and when it does it is for expensive
journals in Mining, etc.

The interesting thing is that this is an system that you describe as
anarchically growing, article-by-article, rather than the journal-by-journal
or publisher bundle system. It has enabled the University of Tasmania to
cancel many of the subscriptions that it previously held, and still come out
in front. Better still, it has enabled the practical closure of the print
journal accessioning system (where online versions are available), saving
substantial salaries. We know for example that researchers seldom
[physically] visit our [physical] libraries these days, they access articles
online.

If we ever reached the state where we relied on this system totally, then a
per-article viewing fee would be easy to compare with 

[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Jan Szczepanski
Steven Harnad has had and still has an enormous influence on the open access
question. But the way he pushes for has, sorry to say, in practice shown not to
be able to compet with the market.

That is a fact that the British government now recogineses and the rest of the
world will follow. The Great Leap in China failed in the same way the green
way has failed.

What we now can see is a paradigm shift.


 Now we have to support  the free e-journal movement, not by forcing scientists
 and scholars to accept open access but by cooperate with them in the  competion
with mainly the global STM industry. It's not going to be easy. But
more and more
new journals are free e-journals. The rise is spectacular. Latin
America has shown
the way we have to take.

Jan





2012/8/7 Arthur Sale a...@ozemail.com.au:
 Oh dear Stevan. When I try to help you I get rubbished. You really have to
 stop using knee-jerk reactions.



 I fully agree Pay-per-view (PPV) is not ideal, and you know that I know it
 better than most. I was responding to your very off-target message about
 ‘anarchic’ practices (green) vs ‘systemic’ (gold).  Neither is an accurate
 epithet. We both want open access to articles, not toll access, and we know
 it will be cheaper.  I think that totally deals succinctly with your points
 (1), (2), 3), (4), (5), (6), and (8).



 That leaves points (7), (9) and (10).  While I agree that Green OA is the
 potentially faster and cheaper route, it simply ain’t going to happen soon.
 Maybe it might if the OA movement got behind the Titanium route. There
 simply isn’t the wish amongst researchers, funders, universities or the
 governments to push Green OA. So much for point (7). The Green route leads
 to another couple of lost decades.



 As to (9) and (10) I was taking the point of view of a systemic bureaucrat
 (aka devil’s advocate). Green mandates are a lost cause. They have failed to
 have an impact after too many years. Looking at the global research
 publication system, it is anti-competitive as an industry, calling out for
 strong competition. What better than to provide some?



 Arthur







 From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf
 Of Stevan Harnad
 Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 1:57 PM
 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
 Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era



 Dear Arthur,



 (1) For years and years I did not refer to toll-access as subscription
 access but as subscription/license/pay-per-view (S/L/PPV). (Google the
 AmSci Forum archives in the late 90's and early 2000's and I'll find
 countless instances.)  PPV is neither satisfactory for most users nor is it
 affordable, scalable or sustainable for most institutions. (If it were,
 subscriptions would already be cancelled unsustainably. PPV is a parasitic
 niche market.)



 (2) S/L/PPV are all forms of toll access, and I don't believe for a second
 that any of them provides sufficient access.



 (3) That's why I (and many others) have been struggling for open access
 (OA).



 (4) It is true that where we are now [is]paying to read articles



 (5) But for me it is certainly not true that where we want to be [is]
 paying to publish articles



 (6) Where I want to be (and have wanted to be for two decades) is OA:
 toll-free online access to articles.



 (7) I also think the fastest, surest, most direct and cheapest way to 100%
 OA is to mandate Green Gratis OA.



 (8) I also happen to expect that 100% Green OA will lead to Gold Libre OA
 (pay-to-publish) and the total cost will be far lower than is was with
 S/L/PPV.



 (9) If Finch had done a better analysis, then instead of squandering scarce
 research money to pay extra for pre-emptive Gold OA, they would have
 extended and strengthened UK's cost-free Green OA mandates.



 (10) I'm hoping RCUK may still have the sense and integrity to fix its
 policy and do just that.



 Stevan





 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Arthur Sale a...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

 I completely follow your argument Stevan, and agree with it, as far as it
 goes.  There is however an aspect that you have not covered, and you should
 include it in your analysis.

 You write as though reader-side subscriptions were the only alternative to
 author-side publishing fees as a way of funding publishers.  (As ways of
 funding access one must add green access too, to save you telling me so.) In
 fact many universities have another option: pay-per-view. The University of
 Tasmania (mine) has had a system of this sort in place since at least 1998,
 whereby any researcher can request (online in the intranet) an article from
 any journal to which the University does not subscribe, and the Document
 Delivery service will provide an e-copy (usually a pdf) usually within two
 days.  Yes this is not instant, but serious researchers are prepared to wait
 that long, despite the nay-sayers. The University picks up the cost up to a
 reasonable limit; if the cost is over the 

[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Sally Morris
We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone pays
the costs.  

All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid for
somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact,
there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear).  

I can only see three options for who pays:  reader-side (e.g. the library);
author-side (e.g. publication fees);  or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).

Sally
 


Sally Morris
South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK  BN13 3UU
Tel:  +44 (0)1903 871286
Email:  sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf
Of Jan Szczepanski
Sent: 07 August 2012 10:37
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

Steven Harnad has had and still has an enormous influence on the open access
question. But the way he pushes for has, sorry to say, in practice shown not
to be able to compet with the market.

That is a fact that the British government now recogineses and the rest of
the world will follow. The Great Leap in China failed in the same way the
green way has failed.

What we now can see is a paradigm shift.


 Now we have to support  the free e-journal movement, not by forcing
scientists  and scholars to accept open access but by cooperate with them in
the  competion with mainly the global STM industry. It's not going to be
easy. But more and more new journals are free e-journals. The rise is
spectacular. Latin America has shown the way we have to take.

Jan





2012/8/7 Arthur Sale a...@ozemail.com.au:
 Oh dear Stevan. When I try to help you I get rubbished. You really 
 have to stop using knee-jerk reactions.



 I fully agree Pay-per-view (PPV) is not ideal, and you know that I 
 know it better than most. I was responding to your very off-target 
 message about 'anarchic' practices (green) vs 'systemic' (gold).  
 Neither is an accurate epithet. We both want open access to articles, 
 not toll access, and we know it will be cheaper.  I think that totally 
 deals succinctly with your points (1), (2), 3), (4), (5), (6), and (8).



 That leaves points (7), (9) and (10).  While I agree that Green OA is 
 the potentially faster and cheaper route, it simply ain't going to happen
soon.
 Maybe it might if the OA movement got behind the Titanium route. There 
 simply isn't the wish amongst researchers, funders, universities or 
 the governments to push Green OA. So much for point (7). The Green 
 route leads to another couple of lost decades.



 As to (9) and (10) I was taking the point of view of a systemic 
 bureaucrat (aka devil's advocate). Green mandates are a lost cause. 
 They have failed to have an impact after too many years. Looking at 
 the global research publication system, it is anti-competitive as an 
 industry, calling out for strong competition. What better than to provide
some?



 Arthur







 From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On 
 Behalf Of Stevan Harnad
 Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 1:57 PM
 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
 Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era



 Dear Arthur,



 (1) For years and years I did not refer to toll-access as 
 subscription access but as subscription/license/pay-per-view 
 (S/L/PPV). (Google the AmSci Forum archives in the late 90's and 
 early 2000's and I'll find countless instances.)  PPV is neither 
 satisfactory for most users nor is it affordable, scalable or 
 sustainable for most institutions. (If it were, subscriptions would 
 already be cancelled unsustainably. PPV is a parasitic niche market.)



 (2) S/L/PPV are all forms of toll access, and I don't believe for a 
 second that any of them provides sufficient access.



 (3) That's why I (and many others) have been struggling for open 
 access (OA).



 (4) It is true that where we are now [is]paying to read articles



 (5) But for me it is certainly not true that where we want to be [is] 
 paying to publish articles



 (6) Where I want to be (and have wanted to be for two decades) is OA:
 toll-free online access to articles.



 (7) I also think the fastest, surest, most direct and cheapest way to 
 100% OA is to mandate Green Gratis OA.



 (8) I also happen to expect that 100% Green OA will lead to Gold Libre 
 OA
 (pay-to-publish) and the total cost will be far lower than is was with 
 S/L/PPV.



 (9) If Finch had done a better analysis, then instead of squandering 
 scarce research money to pay extra for pre-emptive Gold OA, they would 
 have extended and strengthened UK's cost-free Green OA mandates.



 (10) I'm hoping RCUK may still have the sense and integrity to fix its 
 policy and do just that.



 Stevan





 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Arthur Sale a...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

 I completely follow your argument Stevan, and agree with it, as far as 
 it goes.  

[GOAL] Re: First use of the phrase open access?

2012-08-07 Thread Omega Alpha | Open Access
Stevan,

I would have guessed BOAI as the first OFFICIAL use. I'm trying to ferret-out 
the PRE-HISTORY of the term--even its informal, coincidental or unconscious 
use--LEADING UP to the conscious decision of those involved in BOAI (including 
yourself, Stevan) to call this thing that we're all now talking about open 
access.

Thanks.

Gary F. Daught
Omega Alpha | Open Access
http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com 
Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology
oa.openaccess@ gmail.com | @OAopenaccess

On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:25 AM, goal-requ...@eprints.org wrote:

 
 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:00:01 -0400
 From: Stevan Harnad har...@ecs.soton.ac.uk
 Subject: [GOAL] Re: First use of the phrase open access?
 To: Global Open Access List \(Successor of AmSci\)
   goal@eprints.org
 Message-ID: c0192983-2881-49bf-b9c7-a2ba62f42...@ecs.soton.ac.uk
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
 
 The term became official with Budapest Open Access Initiative (BOAI)
 http://www.soros.org/openaccess/read
 
 On 2012-08-06, at 6:29 PM, Omega Alpha | Open Access wrote:
 
 Greetings. Does anyone know who/when first used the phrase open access to 
 refer to toll free publication and/or access to scholarly literature, though 
 not necessarily yet as a technical term?
 
 Could this be a candidate? I'm reading the transcript of Stevan Harnad's 
 presentation: Implementing Peer review on the Net: Scientific Quality 
 Control in Scholarly Electronic Journals in the Proceedings of the 1993 
 International Conference on Refereed Electronic Journals, 1-2 October1993. 
 Winnipeg: University of Manitoba, 1994, 8.1-8.14, and come across the 
 following excerpt:
 
 Enter anonymous ftp ('file transfer protocol'--a means of retrieving 
 electronic files interactively). The paper chase proceeds at its usual tempo 
 while an alternative means of distributing first preprints and then reprints 
 is implemented electronically. An electronic draft is stored in a 'public' 
 electronic archive at the author's institution from which anyone in the 
 world can retrieve at any time?.The reader can now retrieve the paper for 
 himself, instantly, and without ever needing to bother the author, from 
 anywhere in the world where the Internet stretches--which is to say, in 
 principle, from any institution of research or higher learning where a 
 fellow-scholar is likely to be.
 
 Splendid, n'est-ce pas? The author-scholar's yearning is fulfilled: open 
 access to his work for the world peer community. The reader-scholar's needs 
 and hopes are well served: free access to the world scholarly literature (or 
 as free as a login on the Internet is to an institutionally affiliated 
 academic or researcher)?. (8.4-8.5)
 
 The use here is clearly not yet technical, and yet it has all the earmarks 
 of future application. The words access, open, and free are used 
 repeatedly in the Proceedings, but I was unable to find any the phrase open 
 access was used elsewhere.
 
 I suppose the next question would be: At what point did this informal and 
 (perhaps) coincidental use become formalized into a technical signifier?
 
 Curious and interested.
 
 Gary F. Daught
 Omega Alpha | Open Access
 http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com 
 Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology
 oa.openaccess@ gmail.com | @OAopenaccess


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[GOAL] ROARMAP: Louvain Catholic University Adopts Green Open Access Self-Archiving Mandate (U Liege ID/OA Model)

2012-08-07 Thread Stevan Harnad
** Cross-Posted**

The Catholic University of Louvain has adopted a self-archiving mandate
with the same incentives and obligations as the University of Liege model.

In its meeting of 2 July the Academic Council of UCK adopted a policy of
mandatory deposit in its DIAL http://www.uclouvain.be/360285.html repository
of all bibliographic metadata as well as full-texts as of 1 January 2013.
As of that date, the Academic Council will only consider duly deposited
publications in its internal research performance evaluations and that
deposit will also be one of the criteria in the allocation of institutional
research funds.
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[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:46 AM, Arthur Sale a...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

*SH:* (9) (10) *I'm hoping RCUK may still have the sense and integrity to
 fix its policy [by] extend[ing] and strengthen[ing] UK's cost-free Green OA
 mandates… instead of [just] squandering scarce research money to pay extra
 for pre-emptive Gold OA...*


 *AS:* As to (9) and (10) I was taking the point of view of a systemic
 bureaucrat (aka devil’s advocate)…. it simply ain’t going to happen soon...


Don't lose hope just yet, Arthur. I have received the following
(unofficial) response from a member of the group planning the
implementation of the RCUK policy:

I have been following the email debate which you have instigated and as
part of that the suggestions you have made… The points you have made are
quite clear and will be taken into consideration whilst we work on the
detailed implementation of our policy.


And there's the EC policy, which is already extending and strengthening its
Green OA mandate. And there's FRPAA pending in the US. And there's all the
universities and research institutions of the world.

Yes, it's been a long slog, much too long. But it ain't over yet!

Stevan Harnad
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[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris 
sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote:

 We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone pays
 the costs.

 All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid for
 somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact,
 there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear).

 I can only see three options for who pays:  reader-side (e.g. the library);
 author-side (e.g. publication fees);  or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).


There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage
publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of
cash is near-zero. This is described in
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/where
the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded
journals in the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers.
There is an enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the
journal and Kent Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that
people will run and work for journals for the good of the community.

There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that
most scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the
administration publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the
scholars don't have to do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD per
year. If scholars regarded publishing as part of their role, of if they
were prepared to involved the wider community (as Wikipedia has done) we
could have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative and valuable to
the whole world rather than just academia. It would cost zero, but it would
be much cheaper than any current model.

And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world (
openstreetmap.org) which is so much better than other alternatives that
many people and organizations are switching to it. And, for many years, it
didn't have a bank account and existed on marginal resources from UCL
(and probably still does).

But most people will regard this as another fairy tale.



-- 
Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
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[GOAL] Re: First use of the phrase open access?

2012-08-07 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-08-07, at 7:28 AM, Omega Alpha | Open Access wrote:


Stevan,
 I would have guessed BOAI as the first OFFICIAL use. I'm trying to
 ferret-out the PRE-HISTORY of the term--even its informal, coincidental or
 unconscious use--LEADING UP to the conscious decision of those involved in
 BOAI (including yourself, Stevan) to call this thing that we're all now
 talking about open access.


Gary,


My own recall is this:


The issue, from the late 1980's onward was making *online access* to
refereed research free for all instead of just *toll-access* (subscription,
license, pay-per-view) for those at institutions that could afford to pay.


The inspiration was the Internet and Web itself (starting with anonymous
FTP). Computer scientists (and later physicists) were providing free online
access to their papers early on (computer scientists as of at least the
'80's and physicists as of the early '90's).


The words open access were no doubt pronounced and written during that
period (as you saw below), but they were simply informal verbal
descriptions of what was needed and what people were providing. There were
other ways of referring to it too, but all concerned *online access*, free
for all, as opposed to toll-access, for subscribers only. My own use was
very explicitly based on contrasting it with *toll access*.


The term open access only became official with the BOAI, and I can tell
you that several terms were considered in a prior list discussion. The
choice was very explicitly influenced by the fact that we were trying to
encourage author self-archiving, and that 2 years earlier in 1999 the Open
Archives Initiative (originally called the Universal Preprint Service
and then the Santa Fe Convention) had created the OAI protocol for making
*Open Archives* (later called repositories) interoperable with one
another. So we consciously chose Open Access in order to make a clear
link between the two Initiatives (BOAI and OAI).


I can also remember a distinct moment (in 1999) in a conversation with
Herbert van Sompel when it was decided (by Herbert) to call Open Archives
Open Archives (following some list discussion of various potential names).


Hope that helps. Maybe OAI's Herbert von de Sompel or BOAI's Peter Suber
will have further recollections.


Stevan Harnad


Thanks.


Gary F. Daught

Omega Alpha | Open Access

http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com

Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology

oa.openaccess@ gmail.com | @OAopenaccess


On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:25 AM, goal-requ...@eprints.org wrote:


Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:00:01 -0400

From: Stevan Harnad har...@ecs.soton.ac.uk


The term became official with Budapest Open Access Initiative (BOAI)

http://www.soros.org/openaccess/read


On 2012-08-06, at 6:29 PM, Omega Alpha | Open Access wrote:


Greetings. Does anyone know who/when first used the phrase open access to
refer to toll free publication and/or access to scholarly literature,
though not necessarily yet as a technical term?


Could this be a candidate? I'm reading the transcript of Stevan Harnad's
presentation: Implementing Peer review on the Net: Scientific Quality
Control in Scholarly Electronic Journals in the Proceedings of the 1993
International Conference on Refereed Electronic Journals, 1-2 October1993.
Winnipeg: University of Manitoba, 1994, 8.1-8.14, and come across the
following excerpt:


Enter anonymous ftp ('file transfer protocol'--a means of retrieving
electronic files interactively). The paper chase proceeds at its usual
tempo while an alternative means of distributing first preprints and then
reprints is implemented electronically. An electronic draft is stored in a
'public' electronic archive at the author's institution from which anyone
in the world can retrieve at any time?.The reader can now retrieve the
paper for himself, instantly, and without ever needing to bother the
author, from anywhere in the world where the Internet stretches--which is
to say, in principle, from any institution of research or higher learning
where a fellow-scholar is likely to be.


Splendid, n'est-ce pas? The author-scholar's yearning is fulfilled: open
access to his work for the world peer community. The reader-scholar's needs
and hopes are well served: free access to the world scholarly literature
(or as free as a login on the Internet is to an institutionally affiliated
academic or researcher)?. (8.4-8.5)


The use here is clearly not yet technical, and yet it has all the earmarks
of future application. The words access, open, and free are used
repeatedly in the Proceedings, but I was unable to find any the phrase
open access was used elsewhere.


I suppose the next question would be: At what point did this informal and
(perhaps) coincidental use become formalized into a technical signifier?


Curious and interested.


Gary F. Daught

Omega Alpha | Open Access

http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com

Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology


[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread CHARLES OPPENHEIM
Peter is correct that there is a fourth way to achieve OA, and Sally is right 
that each of them has costs, though in Peter's volunteer effort scenario, the 
costs are largely hidden.
Can I go back to my snooze now please?
Charles

Professor Charles Oppenheim

--- On Tue, 7/8/12, Sally Morris sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote:

From: Sally Morris sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era
To: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)' goal@eprints.org
Date: Tuesday, 7 August, 2012, 16:00



 
 

Do you think that doesn't entail cost?
 
The people who are doing this work 'free' (and the computer 
services provided 'free', etc) are all in reality being paid by someone to do 
their 'real' jobs.  And, presumably, the amount of time devoted to those 
'real' jobs is accordingly reduced.
 
Sally
 
 
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South House, The Street, Clapham, 
Worthing, West Sussex, UK  BN13 3UU
Tel:  +44 (0)1903 
871286
Email:  
sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk
 



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Murray-Rust
Sent: 07 August 2012 15:12
To: Global Open 
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Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the 
Open Access Era





On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk 
wrote:

We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' 
  if someone pays
the costs.

All the work involved in creating and 
  running a journal has to be paid for
somehow - they don't magically go away 
  if a journal is e-only (in fact,
there are some new costs, even though some 
  of the old ones disappear).

I can only see three options for who pays: 
   reader-side (e.g. the library);
author-side (e.g. publication fees); 
   or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).


There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage 
publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of cash 
is near-zero. This is described in 
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ 
where the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals 
in 
the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an 
enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent 
Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and 
work for journals for the good of the community.

There is no law of 
physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that most scholars would 
rather the taxpayer and students paid for the administration publishing (either 
as author-side or reader-side) so the scholars don't have to do the work. And 
they've managed ot get 10 B USD per year. If scholars regarded publishing as 
part of their role, of if they were prepared to involved the wider community 
(as 
Wikipedia has done) we could have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative 
and valuable to the whole world rather than just academia. It would cost zero, 
but it would be much cheaper than any current model.

And of course we now 
have a complete free map of the whole world (openstreetmap.org) which is so 
much better 
than other alternatives that many people and organizations are switching to it. 
And, for many years, it didn't have a bank account and existed on marginal 
resources from UCL (and probably still does).

But most people will 
regard this as another fairy tale.



-- 
Peter 
Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of 
Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, 
UK
+44-1223-763069


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[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Sally Morris
Do you think that doesn't entail cost?
 
The people who are doing this work 'free' (and the computer services
provided 'free', etc) are all in reality being paid by someone to do their
'real' jobs.  And, presumably, the amount of time devoted to those 'real'
jobs is accordingly reduced.
 
Sally
 
 
Sally Morris
South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK  BN13 3UU
Tel:  +44 (0)1903 871286
Email:  sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk
 

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On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris
sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote:


We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone pays
the costs.

All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid for
somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact,
there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear).

I can only see three options for who pays:  reader-side (e.g. the library);
author-side (e.g. publication fees);  or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).



There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage
publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of
cash is near-zero. This is described in
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ where
the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals in
the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an
enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent
Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run
and work for journals for the good of the community.

There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that
most scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the
administration publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the
scholars don't have to do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD per
year. If scholars regarded publishing as part of their role, of if they were
prepared to involved the wider community (as Wikipedia has done) we could
have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative and valuable to the whole
world rather than just academia. It would cost zero, but it would be much
cheaper than any current model.

And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world
(openstreetmap.org) which is so much better than other alternatives that
many people and organizations are switching to it. And, for many years, it
didn't have a bank account and existed on marginal resources from UCL (and
probably still does).

But most people will regard this as another fairy tale.




-- 
Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
+44-1223-763069

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[GOAL] A report on open access and repositories from Japan's MEXT.

2012-08-07 Thread jyogaku
Dear colleagues,


I am glad to have an opportunity to let you know that Japan's Ministry
of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology(MEXT) released a
report of the discussion of open access to scholarly research results
on a workgroup for scholarly communication infrastructure in July. 

Unfortunately, as we have no official English translation of the report, 
you may not be able to have direct full access to it, but hoping its URLs 
will be a help, let me quote them:

(Executive Summary)
 
http://www.mext.go.jp/b_menu/shingi/gijyutu/gijyutu4/toushin/attach/1323861.htm


(Full text)
 
http://www.mext.go.jp/component/b_menu/shingi/toushin/__icsFiles/afieldfile/2012/08/02/1323890_1_1.pdf


The workgroup, chaired by Professor Setsuo Arikawa, President, Kyushu
University, consists of experts and scholars in scholarly communication, 
and discusses topics including university libraries, campus computing and 
networking within the scheme of MEXT's Council of Science, Technology and 
Scholarship. 

It has spent about a year working on the issues around society publishing, 

open access and institutional repositories and compiled the report, which 
comprises five chapters: 

1. the provision of scholarly communication infrastructure and the 
enhancement 
of dissemination and communication of scholarly information; 

2. the remodeling of a category in the JSPS grand-in-aids for the improved 

dissemination of scholarly outcomes by way of periodical publication; 

3. the promotion of open access to research results from competitively 
funded 
research activities; 

4. the enhancement of the scholarly dissemination by way of institutional 
repositories; 

5. the improved collaboration among the government controlled agencies 
involved 
scholarly communication, including the National Institute of 
Informatics(NII), 
Japan Science and Technolgy Agency(JST), the National Diet Library(NDL) 
and 
Japan Society for the Promotion of Science(JSPS).

Chapter 1 introduces the range of topics and explains the backgrounds.

Chapter 2 proposes a remodeling of the category in the funding scheme for 
journal 
publishing which has been mainly made use of by Japanese society 
publishers to 
compensate for deficits in their publishing operations. The proposed new 
model 
focuses on enhanced contribution to the increased variety and future 
sustainability 
of the scholarly communication worldwide by the scholarly publishing 
activities 
which originate in Japan. Within the proposed scheme, which, as a whole, 
replaces 
the foregoing subsidies for print periodical publishing, there is a new 
category 
earmarked for projects that aim at a launch of or a conversion to open 
access 
publishing model.

Chapter 3 endorses the importance of the open access to research results 
in general 
and to those funded by public subsidies in particular and discusses the 
various 
methods for its implementation, from golden open access journal 
publishing to 
green open access by way of repositories, and suggests that, for the 
time being, 
institutional repositories be to be made full use of as a means of making 
research 
available to society.

Chapter 4 discusses the current status and future perspectives of 
institutional 
repositories implemented by universities, colleges and research 
institutions in Japan. 
More than 250 educational and research institutions, which account for a 
quarter of 
such organizations, were started in last five years and now provide, open 
to the public, 
more than one million full text scholarly achievements including peer 
reviewed journal 
articles, unrefreed but academically substantial outcomes from the 
faculty, theses and 
dissertations, learning materials and scientific data. The report takes 
the repositories 
seriously as a platform for institutional accountability and scientific 
dissemination and 
requests the institutions and their researchers to support the continued 
and upgraded 
operation of repositories.

Chapter 5 discusses and recommends a set of possible, and partly realized, 
collaborations 
among the different institutions with different backgrounds which, though, 
work in the 
field of scholarly communication. 

Those of you who are interested in further details in the absence of the 
official English 
translation may post specific questions to this list in the hope that some 
of my colleagues 
will reply.



SHUTO Makoto

Cheif, University Library Unit
Office for Science Information Infrastructure
Information Division, Research Promotion Bureau
Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology

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[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Mary Summerfield
There's also the considerable risk that the journal will not be sustainable 
under such a model.  Once the volunteers lose interest, retire, or whatever, 
others may not be willing to take on the work and the institution behind it may 
no longer want to support it.

As Sally said, there are real costs to such enterprises, they are just well 
masked within the infrastructure and staffing budgets for the sponsoring 
organizations.

Mary Summerfield

Publications Business Development Manager
SPIE
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+1 360 647 1445 (Fax)
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SPIE.orghttp://www.spie.org/

Learn about SPIE Press Bookshttp://spie.org/x31646.xml and SPIE 
Journalshttps://spie.org/documents/publications/journals/journal-brochure-10-11-L.pdf.

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From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
Sally Morris
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 8:00 AM
To: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

Do you think that doesn't entail cost?

The people who are doing this work 'free' (and the computer services provided 
'free', etc) are all in reality being paid by someone to do their 'real' jobs.  
And, presumably, the amount of time devoted to those 'real' jobs is accordingly 
reduced.

Sally


Sally Morris
South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK  BN13 3UU
Tel:  +44 (0)1903 871286
Email:  sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.ukmailto:sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk



From: goal-boun...@eprints.orgmailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org 
[mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org]mailto:[mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On 
Behalf Of Peter Murray-Rust
Sent: 07 August 2012 15:12
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris 
sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.ukmailto:sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote:
We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone pays
the costs.

All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid for
somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact,
there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear).

I can only see three options for who pays:  reader-side (e.g. the library);
author-side (e.g. publication fees);  or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).

There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage 
publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of cash 
is near-zero. This is described in 
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ where 
the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals in the 
area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an enlightening 
debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent Anderson of the 
Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and work for journals 
for the good of the community.

There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that most 
scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the administration 
publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the scholars don't have to 
do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD per year. If scholars regarded 
publishing as part of their role, of if they were prepared to involved the 
wider community (as Wikipedia has done) we could have a much more C21 type of 
activity - innovative and valuable to the whole world rather than just 
academia. It would cost zero, but it would be much cheaper than any current 
model.

And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world 
(openstreetmap.orghttp://openstreetmap.org) which is so much better than 
other alternatives that many people and organizations are switching to it. And, 
for many years, it didn't have a bank account and existed on marginal 
resources from UCL (and probably still does).

But most people will regard this as another fairy tale.


--
Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
+44-1223-763069
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[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Zielinski, Mr. Chris - bzv
...and don't forget the cost of printing, paper, glue and postage stamps in the 
original print version, O Digerati: last time I checked, they weren't being 
given away for nothing. While much of the Open Access discussion only applies 
to digital objects, these existential OA cost comparisons must include the 
costs of paper versions as well. where there is a paper version at all,

Or are we only talking about that motherless object, the online-only journal 
(useless to many in most developing countries)?

Best,

Chris

Chris Zielinski
Coordinator, African Health Observartory and
Managing Editor, African Health Monitor
WHO Regional Office for Africa
BP06 Cité du Djoué, Brazzaville, Congo
Brazzaville T: +47 241 39935  M: +242-068 29 79 49  F: +47 241 39503
Geneva: M+41 799 40 3662
Skype: chris.zielinski1 e-mail: 
zielins...@afro.who.intmailto:zielins...@afro.who.int


From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
Sally Morris
Sent: 07 August 2012 16:00
To: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

Do you think that doesn't entail cost?

The people who are doing this work 'free' (and the computer services provided 
'free', etc) are all in reality being paid by someone to do their 'real' jobs.  
And, presumably, the amount of time devoted to those 'real' jobs is accordingly 
reduced.

Sally


Sally Morris
South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK  BN13 3UU
Tel:  +44 (0)1903 871286
Email:  sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.ukmailto:sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk



From: goal-boun...@eprints.orgmailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org 
[mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org]mailto:[mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On 
Behalf Of Peter Murray-Rust
Sent: 07 August 2012 15:12
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris 
sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.ukmailto:sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote:
We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone pays
the costs.

All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid for
somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact,
there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear).

I can only see three options for who pays:  reader-side (e.g. the library);
author-side (e.g. publication fees);  or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).

There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage 
publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of cash 
is near-zero. This is described in 
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ where 
the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals in the 
area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an enlightening 
debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent Anderson of the 
Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and work for journals 
for the good of the community.

There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that most 
scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the administration 
publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the scholars don't have to 
do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD per year. If scholars regarded 
publishing as part of their role, of if they were prepared to involved the 
wider community (as Wikipedia has done) we could have a much more C21 type of 
activity - innovative and valuable to the whole world rather than just 
academia. It would cost zero, but it would be much cheaper than any current 
model.

And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world 
(openstreetmap.orghttp://openstreetmap.org) which is so much better than 
other alternatives that many people and organizations are switching to it. And, 
for many years, it didn't have a bank account and existed on marginal 
resources from UCL (and probably still does).

But most people will regard this as another fairy tale.


--
Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
+44-1223-763069
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[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Jan Velterop
This is an excellent model and worthy of implementing. What are our scholars 
waiting for? 

Wherever and whenever it doesn't quite come to fruition, or when the 
'champions' of such journals retire or get bored, entities that formerly might 
have been called 'publishers' could then fill the gaps with their services, 
helping academics with these things, possibly in the form of 'gold' OA journals.

Jan Velterop

On 7 Aug 2012, at 16:11, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:

 
 
 On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris 
 sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote:
 We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone pays
 the costs.
 
 All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid for
 somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact,
 there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear).
 
 I can only see three options for who pays:  reader-side (e.g. the library);
 author-side (e.g. publication fees);  or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).
 
 There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage 
 publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of 
 cash is near-zero. This is described in 
 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ where 
 the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals in 
 the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an 
 enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent 
 Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and 
 work for journals for the good of the community.
 
 There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that 
 most scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the 
 administration publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the 
 scholars don't have to do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD per 
 year. If scholars regarded publishing as part of their role, of if they were 
 prepared to involved the wider community (as Wikipedia has done) we could 
 have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative and valuable to the whole 
 world rather than just academia. It would cost zero, but it would be much 
 cheaper than any current model.
 
 And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world 
 (openstreetmap.org) which is so much better than other alternatives that many 
 people and organizations are switching to it. And, for many years, it didn't 
 have a bank account and existed on marginal resources from UCL (and 
 probably still does).
 
 But most people will regard this as another fairy tale.
 
 
 -- 
 Peter Murray-Rust
 Reader in Molecular Informatics
 Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
 University of Cambridge
 CB2 1EW, UK
 +44-1223-763069
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[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Jan Velterop
Chris,

The nice thing about true open access articles (under a CC-BY licence) is that 
they can be printed and distributed, even for a profit (CC-BY publishers are 
not consumed by 'profit-spite'). This is not true for the so-called OA articles 
which are under a Non-Commercial licence, of course, but they are not real open 
access). 

Here lies an opportunity for enterprising minds in developing countries!

Best,

Jan

 
On 7 Aug 2012, at 17:27, Zielinski, Mr. Chris - bzv wrote:

 …and don’t forget the cost of printing, paper, glue and postage stamps in the 
 original print version, O Digerati: last time I checked, they weren’t being 
 given away for nothing. While much of the Open Access discussion only applies 
 to digital objects, these existential OA cost comparisons must include the 
 costs of paper versions as well. where there is a paper version at all,
  
 Or are we only talking about that motherless object, the online-only journal 
 (useless to many in most developing countries)?
  
 Best,
  
 Chris
  
 Chris Zielinski
 Coordinator, African Health Observartory and
 Managing Editor, African Health Monitor
 WHO Regional Office for Africa
 BP06 Cité du Djoué, Brazzaville, Congo
 Brazzaville T: +47 241 39935  M: +242-068 29 79 49  F: +47 241 39503
 Geneva: M+41 799 40 3662
 Skype: chris.zielinski1 e-mail: zielins...@afro.who.int
  
  
 From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
 Sally Morris
 Sent: 07 August 2012 16:00
 To: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'
 Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era
  
 Do you think that doesn't entail cost?
  
 The people who are doing this work 'free' (and the computer services provided 
 'free', etc) are all in reality being paid by someone to do their 'real' 
 jobs.  And, presumably, the amount of time devoted to those 'real' jobs is 
 accordingly reduced.
  
 Sally
  
  
 Sally Morris
 South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK  BN13 3UU
 Tel:  +44 (0)1903 871286
 Email:  sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk
  
  
 From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
 Peter Murray-Rust
 Sent: 07 August 2012 15:12
 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
 Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era
 
  
 
 On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris 
 sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk wrote:
 We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone pays
 the costs.
 
 All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid for
 somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact,
 there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear).
 
 I can only see three options for who pays:  reader-side (e.g. the library);
 author-side (e.g. publication fees);  or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor).
 
 There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage 
 publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of 
 cash is near-zero. This is described 
 inhttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ 
 where the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals 
 in the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an 
 enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent 
 Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and 
 work for journals for the good of the community.
 
 There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that 
 most scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the 
 administration publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the 
 scholars don't have to do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD per 
 year. If scholars regarded publishing as part of their role, of if they were 
 prepared to involved the wider community (as Wikipedia has done) we could 
 have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative and valuable to the whole 
 world rather than just academia. It would cost zero, but it would be much 
 cheaper than any current model.
 
 And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world 
 (openstreetmap.org) which is so much better than other alternatives that many 
 people and organizations are switching to it. And, for many years, it didn't 
 have a bank account and existed on marginal resources from UCL (and 
 probably still does).
 
 But most people will regard this as another fairy tale.
 
 
 -- 
 Peter Murray-Rust
 Reader in Molecular Informatics
 Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
 University of Cambridge
 CB2 1EW, UK
 +44-1223-763069
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[GOAL] Re: First use of the phrase open access?

2012-08-07 Thread Jan Velterop
Gary,

About half a year before the BOAI meeting in December of 2001, in the early 
summer of 2001, BioMed Central already used the term on its web site (BioMed 
Central's unshakeable commitment to open access.). And ever since. See Wayback 
Machine 9 July 2001: 
http://web.archive.org/web/20010709143907/http://www.biomedcentral.com/.

Best,

Jan Velterop


On 7 Aug 2012, at 00:29, Omega Alpha | Open Access wrote:

 Greetings. Does anyone know who/when first used the phrase open access to 
 refer to toll free publication and/or access to scholarly literature, though 
 not necessarily yet as a technical term?
 
 Could this be a candidate? I'm reading the transcript of Stevan Harnad's 
 presentation: Implementing Peer review on the Net: Scientific Quality 
 Control in Scholarly Electronic Journals in the Proceedings of the 1993 
 International Conference on Refereed Electronic Journals, 1-2 October1993. 
 Winnipeg: University of Manitoba, 1994, 8.1-8.14, and come across the 
 following excerpt:
 
 Enter anonymous ftp ('file transfer protocol'--a means of retrieving 
 electronic files interactively). The paper chase proceeds at its usual tempo 
 while an alternative means of distributing first preprints and then reprints 
 is implemented electronically. An electronic draft is stored in a 'public' 
 electronic archive at the author's institution from which anyone in the world 
 can retrieve at any time….The reader can now retrieve the paper for himself, 
 instantly, and without ever needing to bother the author, from anywhere in 
 the world where the Internet stretches--which is to say, in principle, from 
 any institution of research or higher learning where a fellow-scholar is 
 likely to be.
 
 Splendid, n'est-ce pas? The author-scholar's yearning is fulfilled: open 
 access to his work for the world peer community. The reader-scholar's needs 
 and hopes are well served: free access to the world scholarly literature (or 
 as free as a login on the Internet is to an institutionally affiliated 
 academic or researcher)…. (8.4-8.5)
 
 The use here is clearly not yet technical, and yet it has all the earmarks of 
 future application. The words access, open, and free are used 
 repeatedly in the Proceedings, but I was unable to find any the phrase open 
 access was used elsewhere.
 
 I suppose the next question would be: At what point did this informal and 
 (perhaps) coincidental use become formalized into a technical signifier?
 
 Curious and interested.
 
 Gary F. Daught
 Omega Alpha | Open Access
 http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com 
 Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology
 oa.openaccess@ gmail.com | @OAopenaccess
 
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[GOAL] Re: First use of the phrase open access?

2012-08-07 Thread Zielinski, Mr. Chris - bzv
In the summer of 2001, I was commissioned by WHO to write a paper summarizing 
the spate of free and low cost initiatives that had appeared on the 
publishing horizon and their possible benefits to developing countries. Looking 
back through my archives I see that, with a consultant's magpie instinct, my 
first title for the study was Open Access Initiatives, and the term open 
access occurs frequently throughout the paper - evidence that quite a few 
people must have been calling it that in early 2001 (I certainly didn't come up 
with the term!).

Don't forget that, at the time, open initiatives were the new black - open 
source, open knowledge, open archives, even open money!

Chris

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From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
Jan Velterop
Sent: 07 August 2012 17:11
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Cc: Omega Alpha | Open Access
Subject: [GOAL] Re: First use of the phrase open access?

Gary,

About half a year before the BOAI meeting in December of 2001, in the early 
summer of 2001, BioMed Central already used the term on its web site (BioMed 
Central's unshakeable commitment to open access.). And ever since. See Wayback 
Machine 9 July 2001: 
http://web.archive.org/web/20010709143907/http://www.biomedcentral.com/http://web.archive.org/web/20010709143907/http:/www.biomedcentral.com/.

Best,

Jan Velterop


On 7 Aug 2012, at 00:29, Omega Alpha | Open Access wrote:


Greetings. Does anyone know who/when first used the phrase open access to 
refer to toll free publication and/or access to scholarly literature, though 
not necessarily yet as a technical term?

Could this be a candidate? I'm reading the transcript of Stevan Harnad's 
presentation: Implementing Peer review on the Net: Scientific Quality Control 
in Scholarly Electronic Journals in the Proceedings of the 1993 International 
Conference on Refereed Electronic Journals, 1-2 October1993. Winnipeg: 
University of Manitoba, 1994, 8.1-8.14, and come across the following excerpt:

Enter anonymous ftp ('file transfer protocol'--a means of retrieving 
electronic files interactively). The paper chase proceeds at its usual tempo 
while an alternative means of distributing first preprints and then reprints is 
implemented electronically. An electronic draft is stored in a 'public' 
electronic archive at the author's institution from which anyone in the world 
can retrieve at any timeThe reader can now retrieve the paper for himself, 
instantly, and without ever needing to bother the author, from anywhere in the 
world where the Internet stretches--which is to say, in principle, from any 
institution of research or higher learning where a fellow-scholar is likely to 
be.

Splendid, n'est-ce pas? The author-scholar's yearning is fulfilled: open 
access to his work for the world peer community. The reader-scholar's needs and 
hopes are well served: free access to the world scholarly literature (or as 
free as a login on the Internet is to an institutionally affiliated academic or 
researcher) (8.4-8.5)

The use here is clearly not yet technical, and yet it has all the earmarks of 
future application. The words access, open, and free are used repeatedly 
in the Proceedings, but I was unable to find any the phrase open access was 
used elsewhere.

I suppose the next question would be: At what point did this informal and 
(perhaps) coincidental use become formalized into a technical signifier?

Curious and interested.

Gary F. Daught
Omega Alpha | Open Access
http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com
Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology
oa.openaccess@ gmail.comhttp://gmail.com | @OAopenaccess

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[GOAL] Many apologies

2012-08-07 Thread Richard Poynder
Dear All,

 

I fear I let through a spam message by mistake. 

 

Many apologies, I have been on the move today and was trying to keep the
flow going using, variously, an iPad and my cell phone. I will do my best
not to let it happen again.

 

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