Chris, The nice thing about true open access articles (under a CC-BY licence) is that they can be printed and distributed, even for a profit (CC-BY publishers are not consumed by 'profit-spite'). This is not true for the so-called OA articles which are under a Non-Commercial licence, of course, but they are not real open access).
Here lies an opportunity for enterprising minds in developing countries! Best, Jan On 7 Aug 2012, at 17:27, Zielinski, Mr. Chris - bzv wrote: > …and don’t forget the cost of printing, paper, glue and postage stamps in the > original print version, O Digerati: last time I checked, they weren’t being > given away for nothing. While much of the Open Access discussion only applies > to digital objects, these existential OA cost comparisons must include the > costs of paper versions as well. where there is a paper version at all, > > Or are we only talking about that motherless object, the online-only journal > (useless to many in most developing countries)? > > Best, > > Chris > > Chris Zielinski > Coordinator, African Health Observartory and > Managing Editor, African Health Monitor > WHO Regional Office for Africa > BP06 Cité du Djoué, Brazzaville, Congo > Brazzaville T: +47 241 39935 M: +242-068 29 79 49 F: +47 241 39503 > Geneva: M+41 799 40 3662 > Skype: chris.zielinski1 e-mail: zielins...@afro.who.int > > > From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of > Sally Morris > Sent: 07 August 2012 16:00 > To: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)' > Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era > > Do you think that doesn't entail cost? > > The people who are doing this work 'free' (and the computer services provided > 'free', etc) are all in reality being paid by someone to do their 'real' > jobs. And, presumably, the amount of time devoted to those 'real' jobs is > accordingly reduced. > > Sally > > > Sally Morris > South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU > Tel: +44 (0)1903 871286 > Email: sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk > > > From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of > Peter Murray-Rust > Sent: 07 August 2012 15:12 > To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) > Subject: [GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era > > > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris > <sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk> wrote: > We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone pays > the costs. > > All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid for > somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact, > there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear). > > I can only see three options for who pays: reader-side (e.g. the library); > author-side (e.g. publication fees); or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor). > > There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage > publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount of > cash is near-zero. This is described > inhttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ > where the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded journals > in the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. There is an > enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the journal and Kent > Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe that people will run and > work for journals for the good of the community. > > There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply that > most scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the > administration publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the > scholars don't have to do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD per > year. If scholars regarded publishing as part of their role, of if they were > prepared to involved the wider community (as Wikipedia has done) we could > have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative and valuable to the whole > world rather than just academia. It would cost zero, but it would be much > cheaper than any current model. > > And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world > (openstreetmap.org) which is so much better than other alternatives that many > people and organizations are switching to it. And, for many years, it didn't > have a bank account and existed on "marginal resources" from UCL (and > probably still does). > > But most people will regard this as another fairy tale. > > > -- > Peter Murray-Rust > Reader in Molecular Informatics > Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry > University of Cambridge > CB2 1EW, UK > +44-1223-763069 > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
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