[GOAL] Fwd: The Open Access Interviews: Paul Royster

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Poynder
Forwarding from JISC-REPOSITORIES.


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Sue Gardner sgardn...@unl.edu
 Date: September 16, 2014 at 8:42:22 PM GMT+1
 To: jisc-repositor...@jiscmail.ac.uk
 Subject: Fw: The Open Access Interviews: Paul Royster
 Reply-To: Sue Gardner sgardn...@unl.edu
 
 Stevan,
 
 Apologies for a delayed response. I have been meaning to reply, and now have 
 time.
 
 You have asked some questions of us at UNL. Paul Royster may reply, as well. 
 These are my thoughts.
 
 (1) What percentage of Nebraska-Lincoln output of peer-revewed journal 
 articles (only) per year is deposited in the N-L Repository?
 (Without that figure, there is no way of knowing how well N-L is doing, 
 compared to other institutional repositories, mandated or unmandated.)
 
 You are requesting a certain metric and claiming that it is the only valid 
 one. We have approximately 75,000 items in our repository, almost all of 
 which can be read freely by anyone with an Internet connection. We also have 
 several dozen monographs under our own imprint, and we host several journals. 
 We don't devote too much of our time to analyzing our metrics, in part 
 because we are a staff of three (as of two weeks ago--before which we were a 
 staff of two), and we spend much of our time getting content into the 
 repository in favor of administrative activities. Personally, I welcome 
 anyone to analyze our output by any measure and I will be interested to know 
 the result, but that information won't change our day-to-day activities, so 
 it would remain off to the side of what we're doing.
 
 (2) Why doesn’t N-L adopt a self-archiving mandate?
 
 We just don't see how -mandating- deposit would improve anything. You can 
 tell people what to do, and maybe they will do it--and, if they do, it's 
 probably not because you told them to. My feeling about it is: Am I serving 
 the needs of my constituents, i.e. the faculty? I feel strongly that I'm here 
 to facilitate access to their work, not to bear down on them with demands of 
 any kind. If it works for them, it works for me--not the other way around.
 
 (3) Why do you lump together author-pays with author-self-archives?
 
 I lump them together because they both result in a burden on the author that 
 I feel is best taken up by other constituencies.
 
 Author-pays results in a skewed body of work being published. I watch my 
 close colleagues in academic departments deal with this on a daily basis, and 
 it would be comical if it weren't so deadly serious.
 
 Author-pays, a scenario: The junior author has money from her institution to 
 go with an author-pays journal. The established author doesn't care about 
 impact factor and wants to go with a smaller, more regional journal. The 
 junior author insists that she must publish within a certain subset of 
 prestigious journals, so they submit to one of them. The reviewers that are 
 assigned know very little about the techniques that the authors are using, 
 but it gets pushed through with suggested revisions that the established 
 author knows border on ridiculous. The paper gets published and it's not what 
 the established author had ultimately envisioned, but there you have it.
 
 Self-archiving scenario: An established author has 170 papers going back to 
 1984. Many of those either do not exist digitally or are not coming through 
 via interlibrary loan, despite several attempts. He has a stack of reprints. 
 He has some manuscripts in various files on his computer, but he's not sure 
 if they're pre-print or post-print. He is administering two large, 
 federally-funded projects, one of which takes him into the field for 2-3 
 months per year. He teaches at least one class each semester. He runs the 
 weekly seminar for his department. He has three active PhD students, a 
 post-doc, and a master's student who needs a lot of mentoring. He holds two 
 officer positions on national boards that require his attendance at least 
 once a year. He is asked to review dozens of papers per year from for-profit 
 publishers (had to throw that in--all too true). Etc.  ... [drum roll?]  We 
 tell him has HAS TO deposit his papers into our institutional repository.
 
 Is this a person we can reasonably expect to self-archive his work into our 
 repository? Note that he has to understand the vagaries of copyright 
 permissions and post a legal version, or we are going to be doing work after 
 he has complied.
 
 If we do not mandate deposit, and if we offer mediated deposit (as opposed to 
 requiring self-archiving), this faculty member's work will be included in the 
 IR. If we mandate self-archiving, his work will remain in the deep archive 
 that is bound up in older, hard copy research.
 
 So, that is where I am coming from. I see what works and what doesn't, and 
 that's how I have formed my opinions.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Sue Gardner
 Scholarly Communications Librarian/Professor
 University of Nebraska-Lincoln
 Lincoln, Nebraska, 68588 USA
 
 

[GOAL] Re: Fwd: The Open Access Interviews: Paul Royster

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Poynder
From: Stevan Harnad har...@ecs.soton.ac.uk mailto:har...@ecs.soton.ac.uk 

 

On Sep 16, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Sue Gardner sgardn...@unl.edu 
mailto:sgardn...@unl.edu  wrote:

 

Stevan,

Apologies for a delayed response. I have been meaning to reply, and now have 
time.

You have asked some questions of us at UNL. Paul Royster may reply, as well. 
These are my thoughts.

(1) What percentage of Nebraska-Lincoln output of peer-revewed journal 
articles (only) per year is deposited in the N-L Repository?
(Without that figure, there is no way of knowing how well N-L is doing, 
compared to other institutional repositories, mandated or unmandated.)

You are requesting a certain metric and claiming that it is the only valid one. 
We have approximately 75,000 items in our repository, almost all of which can 
be read freely by anyone with an Internet connection. We also have several 
dozen monographs under our own imprint, and we host several journals. We don't 
devote too much of our time to analyzing our metrics, in part because we are a 
staff of three (as of two weeks ago--before which we were a staff of two), and 
we spend much of our time getting content into the repository in favor of 
administrative activities. Personally, I welcome anyone to analyze our output 
by any measure and I will be interested to know the result, but that 
information won't change our day-to-day activities, so it would remain off to 
the side of what we're doing.

 

Sue, 

 

I mentioned it because UNL was being described as one of the biggest and most 
successful Institutional Repositories (IRs). This may be true if IR success is 
gauged by total contents, regardless of type. But if it is about success for 
OA’s target contents — which are first and foremost refereed journal articles — 
then there is no way to know how UNL compares with other IRs unless the 
comparison is based on the yearly proportion of UNL yearly refereed journal 
article output that is being deposited in UNC’s IR (and when).

 

I might add that the question is all the more important as the success of UNC’s 
IR was being adduced as evidence that an OA mandate is not necessary for IR 
(OA) success.

 

Stevan Harnad




 

Here, I fear, we bump up against another of the many confusions and 
disagreements surrounding open access: what is an institutional repository, and 
what should be its aims and purpose?

 

I do not think the 2002 Budapest Open Access Initiative uses the term 
“institutional repository”, rather it proposes that papers be deposited in 
“open electronic archives”. 

 

http://www.budapestopenaccessinitiative.org/read

 

Stevan Harnad’s 1994 “Subversive Proposal” urged researchers to archive their 
papers in “globally accessible local ftp archives”.

 

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015034923758;view=1up;seq=24

 

I would think the seminal text on institutional repositories was the paper 
written by Raym Crow in 2002 (“The Case for Institutional Repositories: A SPARC 
Position Paper”). 

 

Crow defined institutional repositories as “digital collections capturing and 
preserving the intellectual output of a single or multiple-university 
community.” 

 

Their role, he suggested, should be twofold. First: to “Provide a critical 
component in reforming the system of scholarly communication--a component that 
expands access to research, reasserts control over scholarship by the academy, 
increases competition and reduces the monopoly power of journals, and brings 
economic relief and heightened relevance to the institutions and libraries that 
support them;

 

Second: to “serve as tangible indicators of a university’s quality and to 
demonstrate the scientific, societal, and economic relevance of its research 
activities, thus increasing the institution’s visibility, status, and public 
value.”

 

http://www.sparc.arl.org/sites/default/files/media_files/instrepo.pdf

 

But today I would think that when defining the term “institutional repository” 
most people (especially librarians) refer to a document authored by Clifford 
Lynch in 2003 (“Institutional Repositories: Essential Infrastructure for 
Scholarship in the Digital Age”).

 

Lynch described an institutional repository as “a set of services that a 
university offers to the members of its community for the management and 
dissemination of digital materials created by the institution and its community 
members. It is most essentially an organizational commitment to the stewardship 
of these digital materials, including long-term preservation where appropriate, 
as well as organization and access or distribution.”

 

http://www.arl.org/storage/documents/publications/arl-br-226.pdf

 

The above, for instance, is how Cambridge University defines an institutional 
repository, see:

 

http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/repository/about/about_institutional_repositories.html

 

Speaking to me in 2006, Lynch said, “If all you want to do is author 
self-archiving, I suspect that there are 

[GOAL] Re: Fwd: The Open Access Interviews: Paul Royster

2014-09-17 Thread Stevan Harnad

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Stevan Harnad har...@ecs.soton.ac.uk
 Subject: Re: The Open Access Interviews: Paul Royster
 Date: September 16, 2014 at 5:28:48 PM GMT-4
 To: jisc-repositor...@jiscmail.ac.uk
 
 On Sep 16, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Paul Royster proyst...@unl.edu wrote:
 
 At the risk of stirring up more sediment and further muddying the waters of 
 scholarly communications,
 but in response to direct questions posed in this venue earlier this month, 
 I shall venture the following …
 
 Answers for Dr. Harnad
 
 (1) What percentage of Nebraska-Lincoln output of peer-revewed journal 
 articles (only) per year is
 deposited in the N-L Repository? About 3 months ago I furnished your 
 graduate student (at least he
 said he was your student) with 5 years of deposit data so he could compare 
 it to Web of Science
 publication dates and arrive at some data-based figure for this. I cautioned 
 him that I felt Web of
 Science to be a narrow and commercially skewed comparison sample, but I sent 
 the data anyway.
 So I expect you will have an answer to this query before I do. If the news 
 is good, I hope you will
 share it with this list; if not, then let your conscience be your guide. As 
 for benchmarking, I don’t believe
 it is a competition, and every step in the direction of free scholarship is 
 a positive one. I hope when
 they hand out the medals we at least get a ribbon for participation.
 
 Thanks for reminding me! It was my post-doc, Yassine Gargouri, and I just 
 called him to ask about
 the UNL results. He said he has the UNL data and will have the results of the 
 analysis in 2-3 weeks!
 
 So the jury is still out. But many thanks for sending the data. Apparently 
 Sue was not aware that UNL
 had provided those data (and I too had forgotten!).
 
 (2) Why doesn’t N-L adopt a self-archiving mandate? 
 I do not even attempt to explain the conduct of the black box that is my 
 university’s administration;
 so in short, I cannot say why or why not. I can only say why I have not 
 campaigned for adoption of
 such a mandate.  My reasons have been purely personal and idiosyncratic, and 
 I do not hold them
 up as a model for anyone else or as representing the thinking or attitude of 
 this university. Bluntly,
 I have not sought to create a mandate because I feel there are enough 
 regulations and requirements
 in effect here already. Instituting more rules brings further problems of 
 enforcement or compliance,
 and it creates new categories of deviance. There are already too many rules: 
 we have to park in
 designated areas; we have to drink Pepsi rather than Coke products; we have 
 to wear red on game
 days; we can’t enter the building through the freight dock; etc. etc. etc. I 
 simply do not believe in
 creating more rules and requirements, even if they are for our own good. The 
 Faculty Senate
 voted to “endorse and recommend” our repository; I have not desired more 
 than that. But I am
 concerned mainly with 1600 faculty on two campuses in one medium-sized 
 university town—not
 with a universal solution to the worldwide scholarly communications crisis. 
 I see discussions lately
 about “putting teeth” into mandated deposit rules, and I wonder—who is 
 intended to be bitten?
 Apparently, the already-beleaguered faculty.
 
 I agree that we are over-regulated! But I think that doing a few extra 
 keystrokes when a refereed
 final draft is accepted for publication is really very little, and the 
 potential benefits are huge. Also,
 there is some evidence as to how authors comply with a self-archiving mandate 
 — if it’s the right
 self-archiving mandate, i.e., If the mandate simply indicates that henceforth 
 the way to submit refereed
 journal article publications for annual performance review is to deposit them 
 in UNL’s IR (rather than
 however they are being submitted currently) then UNL faculty will comply as 
 naturally as they did
 when it was mandaed that submissions should be online rather than in hard 
 copy. It’s just a technological upgrade.
 
 (3) Why do you lump together author-pays with author-self-archives?
 I was not aware that I did this, so perhaps you are responding to Sue’s 
 catalog of various proposed
 solutions—“author-pays OA, mandated self-archiving of manuscripts, CHORUS, 
 SHARE, and others”—as
 all being “ineffectual or unsustainable initiatives to varying degrees.” I 
 feel we are strong believers and
 even advocates for author self-archiving (so-called), and disdainful 
 non-advocates for author-pays models.
 But I think we have become aware of the divergence of interests between the 
 global theoretics of the
 open access “movements” on the one hand and the “boots-on-the-ground” 
 practicalities of managing
 a local repository, even one with global reach, on the other. Crusades for 
 and controversies about
 “open access” have come to seem far removed from what we actually do, and 
 now seem more of a
 distraction than a help or guide.
 
 I can understand 

[GOAL] {Disarmed} On Open Access, Institutional Repositories and Prophecy

2014-09-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:53 AM, Richard Poynder 
richard.poyn...@btinternet.com wrote:

Here, I fear, we bump up against another of the many confusions and
 disagreements surrounding open access: what is an institutional repository,
 and what should be its aims and purpose?



 I do not think the 2002 Budapest Open Access Initiative uses the term
 “institutional repository”, rather it proposes that papers be deposited in
 “open electronic archives”.
 http://www.budapestopenaccessinitiative.org/read


Correct. There were no institutional repositories in 2002 -- and the word
being used to designate them at the time was open archives.

Tansley, R.  Harnad, S. (2000) Eprints.org Software for Creating
Institutional and Individual Open Archives
http://www.dlib.org/dlib/october00/10inbrief.html#HARNAD *D-Lib Magazine* 6
(10)


Then there was a bit of a terminological tiff for a few years, in which
librarians argued that the term archive was inappropriate and already
appropriated, so eventually the accepted term became repository.


 Stevan Harnad’s 1994 “Subversive Proposal” urged researchers to archive
 their papers in “globally accessible local ftp archives”.

 http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015034923758;view=1up;seq=24


Correct, and that was even earlier. (And by the time I wrote that, ftp
archives were already superseded by websites...)


  I would think the seminal text on institutional repositories was the
 paper written by Raym Crow in 2002 (“The Case for Institutional
 Repositories: A SPARC Position Paper”).


Now I must demur, or at least question the meaning of seminal: There is
no doubt that Crow's paper was influential. But it got so many things so
wrong, I hesitate to call it seminal (in any other sense than
miscegenation!).

I tried at the time (as always, unsuccessfully) to head it off at the pass:

*Comments on Raym Crow's (2002) SPARC position paper on institutional
repositories
http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/671-guid.html (2002)*


Crow defined institutional repositories as “digital collections capturing
 and preserving the intellectual output of a single or multiple-university
 community.”


Yes indeed he did. And I pointed out that the preservation function as well
as the gray literature function were distinct from the OA function, and
that the OA function needed special attention, with some urgency (that was
12 years ago!) for reasons that have since been oft rehearsed.

And, more important, I pointed out that Raym Crow's notion of institutional
repository was also infected with the loopy notion of disaggregated
journal (originating from JWT Smith http://kar.kent.ac.uk/4/)...

 Their role, he suggested, should be twofold. First: to “Provide a critical
 component in reforming the system of scholarly communication--a component
 that expands access to research, reasserts control over scholarship by the
 academy, increases competition and reduces the monopoly power of journals,
 and brings economic relief and heightened relevance to the institutions and
 libraries that support them;


That's a lot of eclectic and inchoate ideology -- access, control, journal
costs, library relevance-- but not a coherent notion of institutional
repository.

 Second: to “serve as tangible indicators of a university’s quality and to
 demonstrate the scientific, societal, and economic relevance of its
 research activities, thus increasing the institution’s visibility, status,
 and public value.”

http://www.sparc.arl.org/sites/default/files/media_files/instrepo.pdf


 Yes, repositories can showcase institutions' research output: but to do
that better than a bibliography, they need to make that output OA. And
doing that for the gray literature is a piece of cake. The challenge is
only with the toll-gated refereed journal literature.

Back to the IR's special mission as OA-provider rather than merely a
preservation-archive and showcase for other kinds of output.

 But today I would think that when defining the term “institutional
 repository” most people (especially librarians) refer to a document
 authored by Clifford Lynch in 2003 (“Institutional Repositories: Essential
 Infrastructure for Scholarship in the Digital Age”).


And that one (in the humble opinion of this unheeded lesser-prophet) was
just as off-target:

*Cliff Lynch on Institutional Archives
http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/2744.html (2003)*
*Cliff Lynch on Open Access
http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/195-Cliff-Lynch-on-Open-Access.html
(2007)*


 Lynch described an institutional repository as “a set of services that a
 university offers to the members of its community for the management and
 dissemination of digital materials created by the institution and its
 community members. It is most essentially an organizational commitment to
 the stewardship of these digital materials, including long-term
 preservation where appropriate, as well as organization and access or
 distribution.”

[GOAL] Re: On Open Access, Institutional Repositories and Prophecy

2014-09-17 Thread Richard Poynder
SH: The same old motto: We need less definition and more open access 
provision...

 

RP: This, however, is difficult if there is no consensus on what exactly open 
access is. Likewise, it is difficult to say how successful an institutional 
repository has been if there is no consensus on what an institutional 
repository is, what it should be doing, and what it should contain!

 

 

From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
Stevan Harnad
Sent: 17 September 2014 15:05
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] {Disarmed} On Open Access, Institutional Repositories and 
Prophecy

 

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:53 AM, Richard Poynder 
richard.poyn...@btinternet.com mailto:richard.poyn...@btinternet.com  wrote:

 

Here, I fear, we bump up against another of the many confusions and 
disagreements surrounding open access: what is an institutional repository, and 
what should be its aims and purpose?

 

I do not think the 2002 Budapest Open Access Initiative uses the term 
“institutional repository”, rather it proposes that papers be deposited in 
“open electronic archives”. http://www.budapestopenaccessinitiative.org/read

 

Correct. There were no institutional repositories in 2002 -- and the word being 
used to designate them at the time was open archives.

 

Tansley, R.  Harnad, S. (2000)  
http://www.dlib.org/dlib/october00/10inbrief.html#HARNAD MailScanner has 
detected a possible fraud attempt from www.dlib.org claiming to be 
Eprints.org Software for Creating Institutional and Individual Open Archives 
D-Lib Magazine 6 (10) 

 

Then there was a bit of a terminological tiff for a few years, in which 
librarians argued that the term archive was inappropriate and already 
appropriated, so eventually the accepted term became repository.

 

Stevan Harnad’s 1994 “Subversive Proposal” urged researchers to archive their 
papers in “globally accessible local ftp archives”.

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015034923758;view=1up;seq=24

 

Correct, and that was even earlier. (And by the time I wrote that, ftp archives 
were already superseded by websites...)

 

 I would think the seminal text on institutional repositories was the paper 
written by Raym Crow in 2002 (“The Case for Institutional Repositories: A SPARC 
Position Paper”).

 

Now I must demur, or at least question the meaning of seminal: There is no 
doubt that Crow's paper was influential. But it got so many things so wrong, I 
hesitate to call it seminal (in any other sense than miscegenation!).

 

I tried at the time (as always, unsuccessfully) to head it off at the pass: 

 

Comments on Raym Crow's (2002) SPARC position paper on institutional 
repositories http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/671-guid.html  
(2002)

 

Crow defined institutional repositories as “digital collections capturing and 
preserving the intellectual output of a single or multiple-university 
community.”

 

Yes indeed he did. And I pointed out that the preservation function as well as 
the gray literature function were distinct from the OA function, and that the 
OA function needed special attention, with some urgency (that was 12 years 
ago!) for reasons that have since been oft rehearsed.

 

And, more important, I pointed out that Raym Crow's notion of institutional 
repository was also infected with the loopy notion of disaggregated journal 
(originating from JWT Smith http://kar.kent.ac.uk/4/ )...

 

 Their role, he suggested, should be twofold. First: to “Provide a critical 
component in reforming the system of scholarly communication--a component that 
expands access to research, reasserts control over scholarship by the academy, 
increases competition and reduces the monopoly power of journals, and brings 
economic relief and heightened relevance to the institutions and libraries that 
support them;

 

That's a lot of eclectic and inchoate ideology -- access, control, journal 
costs, library relevance-- but not a coherent notion of institutional 
repository.

 

 Second: to “serve as tangible indicators of a university’s quality and to 
demonstrate the scientific, societal, and economic relevance of its research 
activities, thus increasing the institution’s visibility, status, and public 
value.”

http://www.sparc.arl.org/sites/default/files/media_files/instrepo.pdf

 

 Yes, repositories can showcase institutions' research output: but to do that 
better than a bibliography, they need to make that output OA. And doing that 
for the gray literature is a piece of cake. The challenge is only with the 
toll-gated refereed journal literature.

 

Back to the IR's special mission as OA-provider rather than merely a 
preservation-archive and showcase for other kinds of output.

 

 But today I would think that when defining the term “institutional repository” 
most people (especially librarians) refer to a document authored by Clifford 
Lynch in 2003 (“Institutional Repositories: 

[GOAL] Re: Fwd: The Open Access Interviews: Paul Royster

2014-09-17 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
Most interesting dialogue.

I will focus on two points:

1. Using the Web of Science collection as a reference: this generates
all kinds of problems, particularly for disciplines that are not
dominated and skewed by the impact factor folly. This is true, for
example, of most of the social sciences and the humanities, especially
when these publications are not in English. 

Stevan has also and long argued about limiting oneself to journal
articles. I have my own difficulties with this limitation because book
chapters and monographs are so important in the disciplines that I tend
to work in. Also, I regularly write in French as well as English, while
reading articles in a variety of languages. Most of the articles that
are not in English are not in the Web of Science. A better way to
proceed would be to check if the journals not in the WoS, and
corresponding to deposited articles, are peer-reviewed. The same could
be done with book chapters. Incidentally, if I limited myself to WoS
publications for annual performance review, I would look rather bad. I
suspect I am not the only one in such a situation, while leading a
fairly honourable career in academe.

2. The issue of rules and regulations. It is absolutely true that a
procedure such as the one adopted at the Université de Liège and which
Stevan aptly summarizes as (with a couple of minor modifications):
henceforth the way to submit refereed journal article publications for
annual performance review is to deposit them in the [appropriate] IR .
However, obtaining this change of behaviour from an administration is no
small task. At the local, institutional, level, it corresponds to a
politically charged effort that requires having a number of committed OA
advocates working hard to push the idea. Stevan should know this from
his own experience in Montreal; he should also know that, presently, the
Open Access issue is not on the radar of most researchers. In scientific
disciplines, they tend to be mesmerized by impact factors without making
the link between this obsession and the OA advantage, partly because
enough controversies have surrounded this issue to maintain a general
feeling of uncertainty and doubt. In the social sciences and humanities
where the citation rates are far less meaningful - I put quotation
marks here to underscore the uncertainty surrounding the meaning of
citation numbers: visibility, prestige, quality? - the benefits of
self-archiving one's articles in open access are less obvious to
researchers, especially if they do not adopt a global perspective on the
importance of the grand conversation needed to produce knowledge in an
optimal manner, but rather intend to manage and protect their career.

Saying all this is not saying that we should not remain committed to OA,
far from it; is is simply saying that the chances of success in reaching
OA will not be significantly improved by simply referring to huge
benefits at the cost of only a few extra keystrokes. This is rhetoric.
The last time I deposited an article of mine, given the procedure used
in the depository I was using, it took me close to half an hour to enter
all the details required by that depository - a depository organized by
librarians, mainly for information science specialists. All these
details were legitimate and potentially useful.  However, while I was
absolutely sure I was doing the right thing, I could well understand why
a colleague less sanguine about OA than I am might push this task to the
back burner. In fact, I did so myself for several months. Shame on me,
probably, but this is the reality of the quotidian.

In conclusion, i suspect that if Stevan focuses on such a
narrowly-defined target - journal articles in the STM disciplines - this
is because he gambles on the fact that making these disciplines fully OA
would force the other disciplines in the humanities and social sciences
to follow suit sooner or later. Perhaps, it is so, but perhaps it is
not. Meanwhile, arguing in this fashion tends to alienate practitioners
of the humanities and the social sciences, so that the alleged
advantages of narrowly focusing on a well-defined target are perhaps
more than negatively compensated by the neglect of SSH disciplines. yet,
the latter constitute about half, if not more, of the researchers in the
world.

-- 

Jean-Claude Guédon
Professeur titulaire
Littérature comparée
Université de Montréal



Le mercredi 17 septembre 2014 à 07:07 -0400, Stevan Harnad a écrit :

 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 
  From: Stevan Harnad har...@ecs.soton.ac.uk
  
  Subject: Re: The Open Access Interviews: Paul Royster
  Date: September 16, 2014 at 5:28:48 PM GMT-4
  
  To: jisc-repositor...@jiscmail.ac.uk
  
  
  
  On Sep 16, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Paul Royster proyst...@unl.edu wrote:
  
  
  
   At the risk of stirring up more sediment and further muddying the
   waters of scholarly communications,
   but in response to direct questions posed in this venue earlier
   this month, I shall 

[GOAL] {Disarmed} Re: Re: On Open Access, Institutional Repositories and Prophecy

2014-09-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Richard Poynder 
ri...@richardpoynder.co.uk wrote:

SH: The same old motto: *We need less definition and more open access
 provision*...



 RP: This, however, is difficult if there is no consensus on what exactly
 open access is. Likewise, it is difficult to say how successful an
 institutional repository has been if there is no consensus on what an
 institutional repository is, what it should be doing, and what it should
 contain!


But we'd have had a lot more of it by now if we had taken, as a first
approximation, *free online access to journal articles*, as an operational
definition of OA -- and an OAI-compliant institutional database as the
place to deposit them, as an operational definition of  an IR.

Instead we are agonizing over how to define OA instead of providing it, and
we are arguing over what an IR is for instead of filling it with our
refereed journal articles.

Fortunately, after yet another lost decade of access, the institutional and
funder mandates are at last beginning to come to their senses and requiring
their employees and fundees to go ahead and provide the first
approximation...

Stevan Harnad

 *From:* goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Stevan Harnad

 *Sent:* 17 September 2014 15:05
 *To:* Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
 *Subject:* [GOAL] {Disarmed} On Open Access, Institutional Repositories
 and Prophecy



 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:53 AM, Richard Poynder 
 richard.poyn...@btinternet.com wrote:



 Here, I fear, we bump up against another of the many confusions and
 disagreements surrounding open access: what is an institutional repository,
 and what should be its aims and purpose?



 I do not think the 2002 Budapest Open Access Initiative uses the term
 “institutional repository”, rather it proposes that papers be deposited in
 “open electronic archives”.
 http://www.budapestopenaccessinitiative.org/read



 Correct. There were no institutional repositories in 2002 -- and the word
 being used to designate them at the time was open archives.



 Tansley, R.  Harnad, S. (2000)  Eprints.org Software for Creating
 Institutional and Individual Open Archives
 http://www.dlib.org/dlib/october00/10inbrief.html#HARNAD *D-Lib
 Magazine* 6 (10)



 Then there was a bit of a terminological tiff for a few years, in which
 librarians argued that the term archive was inappropriate and already
 appropriated, so eventually the accepted term became repository.



 Stevan Harnad’s 1994 “Subversive Proposal” urged researchers to archive
 their papers in “globally accessible local ftp archives”.

 http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015034923758;view=1up;seq=24



 Correct, and that was even earlier. (And by the time I wrote that, ftp
 archives were already superseded by websites...)



  I would think the seminal text on institutional repositories was the
 paper written by Raym Crow in 2002 (“The Case for Institutional
 Repositories: A SPARC Position Paper”).



 Now I must demur, or at least question the meaning of seminal: There is
 no doubt that Crow's paper was influential. But it got so many things so
 wrong, I hesitate to call it seminal (in any other sense than
 miscegenation!).



 I tried at the time (as always, unsuccessfully) to head it off at the
 pass:



 *Comments on Raym Crow's (2002) SPARC position paper on institutional
 repositories
 http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/671-guid.html (2002)*



 Crow defined institutional repositories as “digital collections capturing
 and preserving the intellectual output of a single or multiple-university
 community.”



 Yes indeed he did. And I pointed out that the preservation function as
 well as the gray literature function were distinct from the OA function,
 and that the OA function needed special attention, with some urgency (that
 was 12 years ago!) for reasons that have since been oft rehearsed.



 And, more important, I pointed out that Raym Crow's notion of
 institutional repository was also infected with the loopy notion of
 disaggregated journal (originating from JWT Smith
 http://kar.kent.ac.uk/4/)...



  Their role, he suggested, should be twofold. First: to “Provide a
 critical component in reforming the system of scholarly communication--a
 component that expands access to research, reasserts control over
 scholarship by the academy, increases competition and reduces the monopoly
 power of journals, and brings economic relief and heightened relevance to
 the institutions and libraries that support them;



 That's a lot of eclectic and inchoate ideology -- access, control, journal
 costs, library relevance-- but not a coherent notion of institutional
 repository.



  Second: to “serve as tangible indicators of a university’s quality and to
 demonstrate the scientific, societal, and economic relevance of its
 research activities, thus increasing the institution’s visibility, status,
 and public value.”