Re: [Goanet]Rough Guide to Goa and propping bharat!
The tearing pieces of bharat were saved by Goa's mining industry by propping its foreign reserves that it much needed for its survival. Cheap and drug tourism still continues to pervade under bharati rule, this also for the purpose of the much vouched additions to the 90 billion USD reserves. Now bharat, how about returning our billions? Colaco --- While India was tearing itself to pieces in the run-up to Independence in 1947, the only machetes being wielded here were cutting coconuts. Not until 1961, after an exasperated Indian Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, gave up trying to negotiate with the Portuguese dictator Salazar and sent in the army, was Goa finally absorbed into India. Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: INSULT TO GOANS
Dear George, You and many on this list (so called atheists) make a living in a country founded on christian principles. You live in a structure that has given you security and a future. Imagine youself living in the Chambal along side the dakits, wouldn't you life be that of survival and on a few occasions dacoting into Goa? Colaco --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is difficult to stab the hand that feeds me since I feed myself. I am not scared of Goans or Indians or Westerners but ignorance that fuels your prejudices. George --- Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear George, It is you who are prolonging the boot licking by living in the west and stabbing the hand that feeds you. If you had the courage and guts the Goa flag would still be flying. Are you scared of your own indians? Colaco __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: INSULT TO GOANS
People living in ivory towers should not tell us how to go on with our lives in Goa! Colaco I like to believe that we live in a multicultural world and appreciate the value of diversity. Some of the views expressed in this forum have been chilling. Eddie Fernandes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake
Gabe, By wearing the kashti I hope you are not going to malign the image of true kasthi wears. Most of them are/were six pack! :)) Colaco Perhaps when I next visit Goa I shall adorn a kashti and ask Cecil Pinto to do the same them we could be depicted as typical Goan folk Men! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet-news]06 DEC 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 06 Dec 2003 MINE OWNERS KNOCK AT GOVT'S DOOR: Even as the mining activities were stopped on the weekend in Neturlim wild life sanctuary, the operators of the concessions are knocking at the government's door for relief and planning a future course of action. A few mine owners approached Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar with hopes of some relief but it is learnt that the latter expressed his government's inability to intervene in the matter and urged them to seek legal recourse with the apex court. (GT) RULES FOR PRE-PRIMARY: Goa government's just-released draft proposal for the education policy has laid down regulations for pre-primary education in the state, including specifications that teachers at this level should be trained in child psychology. Although the draft policy does not make a mention of any kind of government aid for the pre-primary institutions-nursery, kindergarten, anganwadis-it still puts the reins in the hands of the government. (H) HELMETS COMPULSORY BY YEAR-END: The process to scrap the exemption granted to two-wheeler riders over wearing helmets by amending the Goa Motor Vehicle Rules has begun, the two-wheeler riders will now have to wear the headgear in Goa. The notification is expected to be issued before January 1, 2004. (NT) SOUTH ZILLA FLAY GOVT MOVE: The government move to hand over maintenance of government primary schools to Goa Infrastructure Development Corporation drew severe criticism from the Zilla panchayat, South, with members threatening to go on a hunger strike if the proposal is not withdrawn forthwith. (H) CANINES CHARRED TO DEATH: Two pedigreed dogs were charred to death and one person received injuries when two adjoining houses, belonging to Marcel and Francis Pereira, at Chinchinim caught fire. According to the Fire Brigade officers, property worth Rs.45,000 was gutted. (GT) WOMAN SUCCUMBS TO BURN INJURIES: Firoza Mohammed Kardi, the 31-year-old woman from Sada in Vasco, who was amitted to the GMC for treatment after she set herself ablaze on November 30, succumbed to injuries on December 4. (NT) HUMAN BONES FOUND: An unidentified person stumbled on a set of human bones next to a popular night club at the Anjuna beach. (GT) PANJIM TO RENAME ROADS: The Corporation of the City of Panjim has taken a decision to rename seven roads in Panjim. The roads are: Teofilo Braga Road (EDC house to MG Road), general Bernard Guedes Road (Marietta Hotel to Campal), Governador Pestana Road (near the market), Rua de Ourem (Fontainhas), Rua de Malacca (near the general post office), D Joao de Castro Road (near Don Bosco) and 31st January Road. With regards the Dr Jack Sequeira statue, it was decided that the statue would be put up at Dona Paula, as had been agreed earlier, but the family of the father of Goa's Opinion Poll would sponsor it. (H) BEST ARTISAN AWARD: The state government will be presenting annually the Governor's Rolling Trophy to the best artisan in the state, who will not only produce an exemplary work of art but also motivate other people to become self-sufficient and use their talent for earning a living. Informing about the award, the Governor, Mr Kidar Nath Sahani, further said that the winner of the prize for three consecutive years would be allowed to retain the rolling trophy with him. (NT) LITIGANTS' LONG WAIT: A huge backlog of cases in the deputy collector's office in Mapusa is causing concern among litigants. The problem is compounded by a severe shortage of staff and adjournments for a variety of reasons and justice is further delayed, the litigants say. (Pio Esteves in NT) SSC RESULTS: The results of the Goa Board of Secondary and Higher secondary Education's SSC exam held in October, will be declared on 10 December at 4 pm. (GT) CORPORATORS FOR TRANSPARENCY: Corporators of the City of Panaji were unanimous in their demand for greater transparency in the IFFI and Mala beautification projects. Nobody is opposing the Mala project but do we not have a right to examine the project plans? Patricia Pinto asked. (GT) DISABLED IN GOA: An association, Disability Rights Association of Goa, was formed recently by disabled and able persons to bring the disabled into the mainstream of society and to make Goa disabled-friendly. Its governing body comprises of Avelino de Sa (president), Victor JD Fernandes (secretary/treasurer) and Cleto Godinho, Fatima D'Cunha, Loretta Velho, Dr Steven Dias and Sr Maria Faria as members. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GT) KHALAP RAPS GOVERNMENT: The former chairman of the Mapusa Urban Co-operative Bank Ramakant Khalap, expressed confidence that the bank would emerge successfully from the present crisis if the government takes proper steps for recovering unpaid loans from the debtors. Speaking to the Press, Khalap castigated the government for registering cases against the former Board of Directors instead of taking measures to improve the position of the bank. (GT) PANAJI'S RICH HERITAGE: Few
[Goanet]06 DEC 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 06 Dec 2003 MINE OWNERS KNOCK AT GOVT'S DOOR: Even as the mining activities were stopped on the weekend in Neturlim wild life sanctuary, the operators of the concessions are knocking at the government's door for relief and planning a future course of action. A few mine owners approached Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar with hopes of some relief but it is learnt that the latter expressed his government's inability to intervene in the matter and urged them to seek legal recourse with the apex court. (GT) RULES FOR PRE-PRIMARY: Goa government's just-released draft proposal for the education policy has laid down regulations for pre-primary education in the state, including specifications that teachers at this level should be trained in child psychology. Although the draft policy does not make a mention of any kind of government aid for the pre-primary institutions-nursery, kindergarten, anganwadis-it still puts the reins in the hands of the government. (H) HELMETS COMPULSORY BY YEAR-END: The process to scrap the exemption granted to two-wheeler riders over wearing helmets by amending the Goa Motor Vehicle Rules has begun, the two-wheeler riders will now have to wear the headgear in Goa. The notification is expected to be issued before January 1, 2004. (NT) SOUTH ZILLA FLAY GOVT MOVE: The government move to hand over maintenance of government primary schools to Goa Infrastructure Development Corporation drew severe criticism from the Zilla panchayat, South, with members threatening to go on a hunger strike if the proposal is not withdrawn forthwith. (H) CANINES CHARRED TO DEATH: Two pedigreed dogs were charred to death and one person received injuries when two adjoining houses, belonging to Marcel and Francis Pereira, at Chinchinim caught fire. According to the Fire Brigade officers, property worth Rs.45,000 was gutted. (GT) WOMAN SUCCUMBS TO BURN INJURIES: Firoza Mohammed Kardi, the 31-year-old woman from Sada in Vasco, who was amitted to the GMC for treatment after she set herself ablaze on November 30, succumbed to injuries on December 4. (NT) HUMAN BONES FOUND: An unidentified person stumbled on a set of human bones next to a popular night club at the Anjuna beach. (GT) PANJIM TO RENAME ROADS: The Corporation of the City of Panjim has taken a decision to rename seven roads in Panjim. The roads are: Teofilo Braga Road (EDC house to MG Road), general Bernard Guedes Road (Marietta Hotel to Campal), Governador Pestana Road (near the market), Rua de Ourem (Fontainhas), Rua de Malacca (near the general post office), D Joao de Castro Road (near Don Bosco) and 31st January Road. With regards the Dr Jack Sequeira statue, it was decided that the statue would be put up at Dona Paula, as had been agreed earlier, but the family of the father of Goa's Opinion Poll would sponsor it. (H) BEST ARTISAN AWARD: The state government will be presenting annually the Governor's Rolling Trophy to the best artisan in the state, who will not only produce an exemplary work of art but also motivate other people to become self-sufficient and use their talent for earning a living. Informing about the award, the Governor, Mr Kidar Nath Sahani, further said that the winner of the prize for three consecutive years would be allowed to retain the rolling trophy with him. (NT) LITIGANTS' LONG WAIT: A huge backlog of cases in the deputy collector's office in Mapusa is causing concern among litigants. The problem is compounded by a severe shortage of staff and adjournments for a variety of reasons and justice is further delayed, the litigants say. (Pio Esteves in NT) SSC RESULTS: The results of the Goa Board of Secondary and Higher secondary Education's SSC exam held in October, will be declared on 10 December at 4 pm. (GT) CORPORATORS FOR TRANSPARENCY: Corporators of the City of Panaji were unanimous in their demand for greater transparency in the IFFI and Mala beautification projects. Nobody is opposing the Mala project but do we not have a right to examine the project plans? Patricia Pinto asked. (GT) DISABLED IN GOA: An association, Disability Rights Association of Goa, was formed recently by disabled and able persons to bring the disabled into the mainstream of society and to make Goa disabled-friendly. Its governing body comprises of Avelino de Sa (president), Victor JD Fernandes (secretary/treasurer) and Cleto Godinho, Fatima D'Cunha, Loretta Velho, Dr Steven Dias and Sr Maria Faria as members. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GT) KHALAP RAPS GOVERNMENT: The former chairman of the Mapusa Urban Co-operative Bank Ramakant Khalap, expressed confidence that the bank would emerge successfully from the present crisis if the government takes proper steps for recovering unpaid loans from the debtors. Speaking to the Press, Khalap castigated the government for registering cases against the former Board of Directors instead of taking measures to improve the position of the bank. (GT) PANAJI'S RICH HERITAGE: Few
[Goanet]Wonderful
On 4 Dec 2003 19:25:50 -, Jerry Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all goanetters, Its always wonderful reading all the articles that come on this net, and ami goemkar nistem khaupi muntoch koblean (net) kiteim ailear borem dista, keep up the good work all writers and do write more recipies, songs, and some humour on goa. Especially Moira jokes, the famad jokes of Goa. Thanking you all and happy belated festival wishes to you all Jerry Fernandes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]gout problems
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:35:21 + (GMT), jeronimo fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Goanetters, Hello Goans, anyone has gout problems Health problems are abound in our lives, and hence we see so many doctors in our midst, I faced a problem with my knee some two years ago, and happened to visit a doctor in Goa, who after blood test informed me that my uric acid was high and it was gout problem, prescribed my zyloric tablets, same thing happened when I came to Saudi, and again the doctor here prescribed the same tablets, but the pain would not vanish, until I happened to meet a doctor whos one answer was stop taking medicine and just get hot water treatment, which I would do regularly, from the shower after removing the shower cap, the pressure would fall on speed, and vola, the pain vanished, and has been so for the last two years, now whenever I have pain in any part of my body I take hot water treatment, and vola, I feel fine. Thanking you Jerry ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]See Your Dentist Before Your Mother-in-Law
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:31:25 +0530, pascal pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, With the chill of winter setting in, sunny, balmy Goa becomes the favoured destination spot for the charter tourist escaping the harsh winter back home. It is also Christmas time for all the expat Goans to return to their root, to meet family and friends. It is also the time to attempt to settle property matters and to get settled if one wishes to do so. For many it is also the time to get that prostate checked or the nagging knee seen to. With the entry of big players into the private health sector it is an attractive idea to get a health workup while one is in town. But what about dentistry? Normally it is restricted to a dental checkup a day before your flight back, some band aid job and the promise to return next winter to do justice to your clackers. . Which never happens. Which is a pity because getting quality dentistry that is comfortable, safe and of international quality is now a reality in India and that too at rates that are a fraction of that of the West.(See chart) However stories of unsatisfactory work, exhorbitant fees abound. Also unlike the West there is no recourse for the visitor to claim compensation. all work is done at ones own risk and the honor of the Dentist. However here are a few hints to make the best of it. *** See Your Dentist Before Your Mother-in-Law *** Not kidding especially since a dental experience is definitely rated worse than meeting the dragon.However it makes eminent sense to schedule a dental consultation in the first few days of your holiday. This will allow the dentist to discuss all treatment options and deliver a planned treatment depending on the time available and the money you are willing to spend. This will allow you to schedule your visits into your hectic social diary. Remember that even something like food lodgement may require multiple appointments of scaling and gum surgery. A hole in the tooth may require a root canal and a cap. A point to note that the more elaborate restorations/ dentures/ crowns and bridges will require dental laboratory work which have to be sent outside the state and take a week or more to fabricate.A dentist that offers you a 24 hour service should be treated with suspicion. *** Avoid the Dentist that promises the quick fix *** As stated before good quality work cannot be provided overnight. Very often good dental treatment has been compromised by the I fly tomorrow demand of the patient and the inability of the dentist to say no. Remember as with everything, quality has a price in terms of money and time. Also do not expect the average hole in the wall practice to provide a service, that will match the one on Harley Street, London in terms of appointment keeping, quality and garantee of work and scruplous hygiene. *** Remember -Disposal Syringes are not everything *** How do I select a good dentist? Rather difficult as there are no star ratings to guide you. Word of mouth helps but 'popular' local dentists will have no time for elaborate cosmetic or implant dentistry. In a country where HIV and Hepatitis is everyday news, use of proper disposal gloves and syringes is one but not the only requirement for universal precaution. Use of single use syringes,needles, cups and drapes would inspire confidence. Clean well ventilated operatory and the use of autoclaved (not boiled!) instruments ,handpieces, burs and drapes is the internationally accepted norm for infection control and safe dentistry. With this I would hope that you would be able to enjoy safe and pleasant dentistry without having to fear the bill or ruining your holiday!! Dr P.X.Pinto MDS FDSRCS(UK) ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Yesterday evening at Old Goa
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:05:05 -, Gabe Menezes wrote: Kudos to you my friend, if one wants to see reall Goenkars untouched by foreign influences, (like me), in the U.K. Gabe Menezes RESPONSE: Ahem-Ahem.Gabe, untouched by foreign influences ??? What about Stella, your beautiful Belgian blonde ??? :-) I will be meeting her later this month a few times, besides her other friends from Me-hi-co !! :-) Best wishes - Bosco ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Email IDs
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:43:05 -0500, Philip Neri deSouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeetendra Deshprabhu (Pernem) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dayanand Narvekar (Aldona)[EMAIL PROTECTED] Luizinho Faleiro (Navelim)[EMAIL PROTECTED] Victoria Fernandes (St Cruz) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dr Wilfred de Souza (Saligao) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mathany Saldanha (Cortalim) [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smt. Sonia Gandhi,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Shri Sharad Chandra Govindrao Pawar, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smt. Maneka Gandhi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] RESPONSE: Seems rueful to have some of our Members of the Legislative Assembly to have to resort to the use of hotmail.com, indiatimes.com, rediffmail.com, etc.for their email. It's possible the members' mailboxes are so caught up with all the porn, viagra-popping and other hideous messages in their mailbox that genuine messages may never arrive. Hopefully, they don't have to go to any of the 10 bucks an hour Internet Cafe's to check their emails. I know the CM has an official email id, but shouldn't all MLAs have access to official email. It's possible they do have official email and I am unaware of the same. The reason I bring this up is in light of the INSULT TO GOANS discussion thread that has been ongoing. Everybody could email their respective MLAs (if they know who they are) to bring the same to their attention. However, now Eddie has thrown a curve ball by contacting the the man behind the camera who insists she is not a Rajasthani or Kashmiri..making it appear those are the only two ethnic Indian groups that make Goa their home. Joel, I hoped all this hungama on Goanet would at least make some mention on your News clippings..get the attention of somebody important :-) !! - Bosco ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Insult to humans
Miguel, I think you are a little confused about the on-going discussion. You are talking about Goans in Goa who dislike the foreign tourists who take up valuable beach space. The prior discussion was about Goans living abroad complaining about Indians (non-goans) taking over Goa's beaches. I propose the following solution to the above problems. For the benefit of the local goans, we should ask all the foreign tourists to take their money to Rajasthan and Kashmir instead of coming to Goa. The resultant creation of jobs there will lead to the non-goans from these regions to return to their homes, thus making the expat goans happy. Marlon --- Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Money is what makes the mare to goand some people will do anything for money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism. We have put concrete and security guards on our beaches and have kept them out-of-bounds for our children..so that the tourists can enjoy them at leisure. Goans are getting street smart enroute to living in the streets in order to accomodate the tourists. Viva Goa. Miguel ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: PLANT UTSAV and Orchids.
Dear Adv.Bernado Souza, Your email makes interesting reading. 1.It may not get posted on the netgroups to which you are not subscribed. 2.Unlike you and your ilk, I currently have no business interest in orchids. It is just BSG's objective to promote this flower crop in tandem with the Goa Government, as it is a crop of promise according to experts and also in the opinion of BSG. 3.I do not know what you call an individual that does not keep his word, does not inform otherwise and does not apologise for the error in not doing either. Last year it was the Secretary, Mr.Eugene Misquita, who promised to send 150 anthuriums and sent NONE. This year the President, in the form of your goodself, has joined the ranks by agreeing to send twenty plants and sending none. Misquita did likewise about plants from his collection and that of other members of your association.[He did collect two prizes for entries registered in the name of his daughter that found merit at this Utsav]. May your tribe decrease in this regard. 4. Should you be interested in really promoting the cultivation of orchids and anthuriums in Goa, we can work on it. Absenteeism is hardly the right method of promoting anything. I would have understood if it had happened once. Two years in a row is no healthy coincidence. It is a disappointment. It does not give you and your association any credibility. As a lawyer, you will know the meaning and worth of credibility. Warm regards, Miguel - Original Message - From: magben [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: Re: PLANT UTSAV and Orchids. Dear Miguel, We appreciate the opprtunities being offered by BSG to flower plant growers and we are spreading information in this behalf. FloranceFlora who have launched on a commercial scale the cultivation of Orchids. We are happy to note their efforts in this field through their Dr. Don who has wide experience. Vivek Naik has established as a successful nursery man. The undersigned Bernard F. D'Souza is a professional advocate pool efforts to make Goa a land of flowers Bernard F. D'Souza, Margao, Goa. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/21/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet-news]COMMENT: Will computers help Goa's children?
Will computers help Goa's children? By Daryl Martyris dmartyris at hotmail.com For the last five years a silent revolution has been happening in Goa's village schools. Overseas Goans have been sending money and use computers to village schools. The government has been distributing PCs (personal computers) to schools. These are merely symptoms of a wider trend -- the growing awareness of the need to be computer literate, and to meet the demand computer training classes are mushrooming. But why this strongly felt need? Ask parents and teachers and they'll tell you that their kids need to know computers to get a good job. No doubt the Indian software and BPO boom have something to do with this calculation. Ask school-kids and you get the same response. But, with few exceptions, kids also say that they don't want to be computer programmers. I know this because in my five years of being involved with the Goa Schools Computers Projects (GSCP), I have asked dozens of kids the same question. The question then, is whether getting a computer diploma from NIIT or learning computer skills in school will help, say, 14 year old Geeta be a fashion designer, or 15 year old Elroy be mechanic... or help any of the other thousands of kids in one of Goa's approximately 450 secondary and higher secondary schools which have PCs become what they want to be? One would hope so. The crores of rupees being poured into computers for schools by the government are seen by the authorities as an investment in the future of Goa's children -- an admirable goal indeed, and one pursued with much greater efficiency by the Goa Department of Education than perhaps any other state in India. The reality, however, just might be different. In May this year, Gaspar D'Souza wrote a series of well-researched articles in the Navhind Times on how basic computer skills or even an intermediate diploma from the private companies no longer commands a wage premium in Goa. In short, for the handful of students who get into the post higher-secondary institutions offering computer programming skills, the future beckons brightly in Bangalore or Mumbai -- but for the B.As, B.Coms and BScs, acquiring a basic computer skills diploma is just another line their Curriculum Vitae's that is rapidly becoming standard. Now, this doesn't mean that kids don't need to acquire computer skills in school. It means that they don't need three years to learn how to use a word-processing and spreadsheet application, as the present syllabus prescribed. They can learn the same thing in a month's time by themselves, without any help from a teacher. I've seen it with my own eyes -- barely literate slum kids teaching themselves how to use the computer. Computers in schools can be use in a much more effective manner to improve cognitive skills in students, giving them a boost in learning math and other subjects, thereby increasing the probability that students from humble village schools can compete for admission to professional colleges on par with elite city schools. The Internet can also compensate (though not fully) or the lack of good libraries in schools. Internet can give children from village schools a window on the world that normally only city schools have. For example, kids from the little village school of St. Bartholomeu's, Chorao, under the strict supervision of their computer teacher, email their cyber-buddies in a Boston school and learn about each other's lives. They use the Internet to make learning more interesting. Without computers in their school, few of them would have these opportunities. Personally, I'm not so sure that computers are the most important thing for school kids. For example, I'd rate a clean latrine in the school much higher, or good ventilation, or a well trained teacher who doesn't spend his entire class making kids mindlessly copy from the blackboard into their notebooks. Ten years after the Clinton administration's The Internet in every classroom became a reality in the US, there is no still firm link between computer usage and improved academic performance. Recent studies in Israeli schools and closer home, in municipal schools in Mumbai, have shown that unstructured learning exercises with educational software do not help children perform better in language studies and math. In fact, at lower standards, using computers on a regular basis actually caused them to regress. Conversely, a study by Michigan State University shows that low-income children who spent more than 30 minutes a day on the Internet saw improvements in their grade point average and their scores in standardized reading tests. There is a lesson to be learnt here. Firstly, unlike the US where every student has his or her own computer to use in schools, few schools in Goa have more than four computers and often barely enough room to fit a whole class into a lab. So kids are divided into batches and called after school for computer subject practicals.
[Goanet]Xavier's Alumni meet and fete
Dear Xavierites, The annual meeting of the Alumni of SXC is on Sunday,07 December,2003 from 11.30 onwards. Please be there even if you have studied only in the Higher Secondary[upto 1989] or just upto Inter-Science before going to a professional college, or left after even a year for any reason whatsoever. Please contact the Principal at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to confirm your participation. For details access the website www.xavierscollege_goa.com Miguel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/21/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Creation of Skills for self-employment
All Goa Inter-Collegiate Workshop-cum- Training in plant crafts A training programme for college students in the arts of vegetable fruit carving, petals rangoli, flower arrangements and coconut shell craft was held at Hotel Manoshanti,Panaji on 05.12.2003. Over one hundred and twenty students from 20 of the 22 colleges of Goa attended the programme organised by the Performing Arts club of the Government College, Khandola - Marcela in Ponda taluka. Inaugurating the event, Dr. H. Y. Karapurkar, President of the Botanical Society of Goa, complimented the Ms Christina de Souza, Coordinator of the club and Executive member of BSG, for arranging this innovative programme that will spread the message throughout the length and breadth of Goa through the student-trainees in these arts. The Botanical Society of Goa feels privileged to support and collaborate in such a programme, he said. Speaking further, he exhorted the many students to observe carefully, learn the art and to practice the skills when they go home. In an era of unemployment, these skills can launch a thousand jobs in a tourist destination like Goa, he said. One cannot only be gainfully employed but can also employ others in the trade of table and venue decoration through flower arrangements, vegetable carving, bouquet making and petals rangoli, coconut shell craft has immense potential for sale as a souvenir of Goa for international tourists. Four students of B.Sc (Horticulture) at the Mapusa Centre of the YCMOU - Nashik demonstrated the skills in fresh flowers, fruits and vegetables. Vijay Parab showed the students how to make a lamp out of a papaya for a romantic candle-light dinner as also to make blood-red roses from tomatoes, a cockerel out of pine apple and Halloween mask from a pumpkin... all in a jiffy. Beena Govekar and Trupti Harmalkar,who are in the third year of the horticulture degree course, made a rangoli with flower petals and leaves instead of powders. Aarti Redkar (nee Bordekar), a final year student and BSG volunteer, then joined them to make some stunning flower arrangements and bouquets. In the afternoon session, Mr. Vijaydutt Lotlikar demonstrated the art of carving and creating both curious and utility items from coconut shells and tender coconuts. He exhibited a part of his personal collection that will soon be on display at his Gallery of Coco Art in Parra. Mr. Lotlikar, a Lab Assistant at St.Xavier HS,Moira, has made his entry into the Limca Book of Records through his gigantic lamp made of coconut shells. Nutty is the word. On 22 July he trained students from ten schools at SFX HS-Siolim and they had their new-found skills on display at the 12 th annual Festival of Plants and Flowers in August. Later the student - trainees at the workshop practiced the skills under the supervision of the students experts, all life members of the Botanical Society of Goa. The skills learnt today will be put to use at the Republic Day Flower show at Mapusa organised by BSG along with the Directorate of Agriculture and Rotary Club of Mapuca at Mapusa Residency. Many of the participants wanted their teachers to arrange similar programmes for their friends in their respective schools. The BSG has agreed to facilitate such programmes, where needed. Earlier, Dr.Mohan M.Sangodkar, Principal of Government College-Khandola welcomed while Dr.Mahesh Pai proposed the Vote of thanks. Besides the President of BSG, the Vice President Rtn Rozendo Mendonsa, Secretary Mr.A.J. Gomes and Executive members Dr.K.G.Hiremath,and Mr.Prajal Sakhardande attended. The faculty/resource persons were arranged through the BSG as the college is affiliate member. Viva Goa. Miguel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/21/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/22/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: INSULT TO GOANS
Folks, The photograph in question is by Eddie Gerald so I wrote to him, [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking if he believed the subject of the photograph to be a Goan woman and I invited him to view the Goanet archive. His response was: Yes this shot was taken at one of the northern beaches in Goa. She was selling some stuff in the market. BTW I checked the forum and found it very interesting. Cheers, Eddie Gerald http://www.geophotos.com P +972-66-20 10 62 F +972-2-65 666 43 I was also puzzled by the consensus of the aggrieved that the woman in question was first, either a Rajastani or Kashmiri and later they decided that she was a Rajastani. I have looked at photographs of Rajasthani and Kashmiri women and was unable to find the affinity with the photograph. I then looked through the 283 pages book, People of Goa, edited by Shriodkar and Mandal, Anthropological Survey of India, 1993. ISBN 81-7154-760-5. In it, 34 communities are defined as constituting Goans. From the photographs and the description I am more inclined to believe that the woman in the photograph is either a Gauda or Lamani. I make no claims at being an expert and accept that I may be mistaken. However I would like the injured to substantiate their claim that she is Rajasthani. I also accept that Eddie Gerald may have made a mistake in labelling her as a Goan woman. What I find abhorrent is the use of words like gives a cheap image about us, is a big insult to the Goans and Anything can happen if non-Goans lead the Goan Tourism delegation and non-Goan happens to be the Tourism Director of Goa. I like to believe that we live in a multicultural world and appreciate the value of diversity. Some of the views expressed in this forum have been chilling. Eddie Fernandes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Invitation to free Broadway Style Christmas musical - Long Island (NY)
If any of you folks are going to be in the NY/Long Island area over the coming weekend or next weekend, my family and I are acting in a Broadway style musical production titled 'All on a Christmas Day'. There are 4 performances beginning Sunday, Dec 7 at 7pm. The other scheduled performances are: Sat, Dec 13 at 2pm; Sun, Dec 14 at 3pm and 7pm. Invitation and directions posted at: http://sonce1.nursing.sunysb.edu/clubs.nsf/christmasMusical2003?OpenPage There's excellent music, dance and a good message too. Come early as seats get filled very quickly. Average attendance is around 500 - 800 per show. If any of you do make it, please meet me after the show. Daniel Soares Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]From: Philip Neri deSouza
From: Philip Neri deSouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, 04 December 2003 To Mr. Jitendra Deshprabhu, Spokesman CLP, Sir, Reference to the statement attributed to you in yesterdays news papers. I personally feel you and your colleagues have really not studied the issue threadbare. you speak of 2000 persons who are working on mines loosing their livelihood. May I ask Mr. Deshprabhu as to how many people loose their livelihood, when these 2000 people earn theirs? The figure could be well over 20,000 people. Let me site an example, the natural resources of Mushcaurem village in Rivona are being exploited by M/s Timblo Minerals Pvt. Ltd. The hamlets of Mushcaurem and Dandolem are on the periphery of the mining lease. The company in an application to the village panchayat has said that the industry would boost the economy of the villages and of the village panchayat. The figures below give one an idea of the economics. I. Mushcaurem Total population of Mushcaurem village is = 169 (One Six Nine only) Total number of persons from the village working on the mine (on contract basis) = 8 men (Eight only) Total number of trucks belonging to the villagers = 3 trucks (Three only) Number of contractors from the village = 1 (One only) II. Dandolem Total population of Dandolem village is = 187 (One Eight Seven only) Total number of persons from the village working on the mine (on contract basis) = 3 men (three only) Total number of trucks belonging to the villagers = Nil Number of contractors from the village = Nil The claim of the company that the economy of the panchayat would be boosted is not entirely untrue. It has in fact boosted the economic statues of the panchayat members at the cost of the villagers. In fact the mining activity in Mushcaurem is not checked will destroy not only the villages of Mushcaurem and Dandolem, but all agricultural land along the Kushawati River. The Quepem Dam is already silted. And recently the polluted water has been released into the Paroda canal that supplies water to areas beyond Chandor. Agricultural land in five constituencies namely Curtorim, Concolim, Quepem, Curchorem and Sanguem, is in danger of being destroyed, a majority of which are being represented by your party. The news report informs us that the CLP meeting was presided over by Pratapsing Raoji Rane. One can imagine the outcome of such a meeting. Around two weeks ago along with a few villagers of Mushcaurem I had the opportunity to visit and interact with residents of Sateri Taluka, where mining has played havoc. This is what the people of Sonshi and Pissurlem villages had to say. Mining has been going on for the last fifty years. Our paddy fields have been silted, and cashew plantation destroyed. We were forced to sell our land. Initially we were happy when we received money for the land as well as for work at the mine site, As time passed by we began spending the money for our treatment of tuberculosis. Today we neither have the money nor the land! Pratabsing Raoji Rane is the cause of our misery Similar sentiments are expressed in Barazan in Sanguem taluka. It was a mistake that our elders sold the land to the mining company. In fact they were forced to sell the land. Today we have neither the land nor the mining activity. Mr. Deshprabhu, at the meeting have you and your colleagues estimated these losses vis-a-vis the gains. It would not be a bad idea if the CLP meeting was held in one of the affected villages instead of a luxury hotel in Porvorim. Mr. Deshprabhu I challenge you and your experienced colleagues to accompany me and visit the mining affected areas and speak to locals who have suffered, due to your actions. If funds for meeting the expenses of the visit are a problem, people who have been affected are willing to contribute their mite. I suggest you should take a lesson or two from Chief Minister Mr. Manohar Parrikar who at least had the guts and acted to stop the mine owners from further destruction and pollution. Lastly Mr. Deshprabhu please do not use the general public to serve your Master's (mine owners) needs. Philip Neri de Souza Jeetendra Deshprabhu (Pernem) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dayanand Narvekar (Aldona) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Luizinho Faleiro (Navelim) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Victoria Fernandes (St Cruz) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dr Wilfred de Souza (Saligao) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mathany Saldanha (Cortalim) [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smt. Sonia Gandhi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shri Sharad Chandra Govindrao Pawar, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smt. Maneka Gandhi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid
[Goanet]From: Xavier's College
Dear Sir, I will be grateful if you publish the enclosed press release in your issue and oblige. With many thanks and kind regards, Yours sincerely, From: Prof. Newman Fernandes, Principal [EMAIL PROTECTED] XAVIER UTSAV 2003 An intensive Educational Experience St. Xavier's completes 40 years of its existence which has been a story of great success and satisfaction. This is the result of the cumulative efforts of the successive generations of students, faculty, staff and specially all its Principals, namely, Fr. Edward de Cruz, S.J. Fr. Nicolau Pereira and Fr. Antino Gomes. To mark this occasion, the College has organized several programmes and will organize many programmes before the Jubilee year comes to an end, but the culmination of all the activities can be seen in the Xavier Utsav which consists of the Ruby Jubilee exhibition, Career Fair, Sixth Youth Konkani Literary Conference, and the College Fete. The Xavier College Alumni Reunion 2003, is also an integral part of this Utsav. All these events offer an intensive educational experience to the College students, faculty, staff and visitors. They cannot be dismissed as distractions or mere entertainment because they form an integral part of the educational process. The theme of the Ruby Jubilee is with one another for another, and the Utsav is one of its many and varied expressions. The Utsav has provided an opportunity to all, to work together, hand-in-hand. Once the initial ideas were floated there was no end to it. One with another and all with all, this was an orchestra for the concretization and implementation of these fertile ideas. Working together with synchronization has been a very important value of this Utsav and has provided great satisfaction to the participants. The outburst of creative talent has been another important dimension of this Utsav. At a time when our educational system has blocked the streams of creativity that are flowing incessantly among small children, at a time when we shout loud and clear for reforming our educational system, but refuse to initiate any reforms, at a time when our apex educational bodies have become sleeping bureaucratic giants with no visible interest in education, at a time when rote memory and repetition are gloriously rewarded by our educational system, such outbursts of creativity offer us a hope that creativity and originality of ideas as well as their presentation and execution will be an integral part of the educational process. I salute and congratulate our dynamic young students and their energetic teachers and staff for participating enthusiastically in this Utsav and presenting this intensive educational experience which will definitely contribute to their success instead of mere memory reproductions, which rule the day in our present system. Prof. Newman Fernandes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]INVITATION:Consumer Rights Awareness Program at Nerul on Sunday 7th Dec
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- On the occasion of the 1st anniversary of the formation of the Nerul Civic and Consumer Forum you are cordially invited to attend an AWARENESS PROGRAMME ON CONSUMER RIGHTS On 7th December 2003 (Sunday) at 4.00 p.m at Our Lady of Remedies High School Hall Are you sure that the food articles you buy are not adulterated? How do you check if water has been added to your Milk? Do you know that some vegetables are coloured with poisonous dyes to make them look fresh ? Do you know the safety procedures when using your LPG cylinder ? HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE That your shopkeeper's weighing scale is correct? You might be buying things which are under weight Without proper knowledge, we are very vulnerable to being cheated. It is therefore necessary for you as a Consumer to know your rights. Speakers from Hindustan Petroleum, Department of Weights and Measures Food and Drugs Administration will address you in their respective fields. DO COME AND BENEFIT FROM THIS PROGRAMME This programme is being organized by Nerul Civic and Consumer Forum In collaboration with the Goa Desc Resource Centre, Mapusa. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 2252660 www.goadesc.org Nerul Civic and Consumer Forum meets every 2nd Monday of the month at Our Lady of Remedies High School, Nerul at 5.00 p.m to solve the problems faced by consumers and create awareness about their rights and duties Contact Phone: 2402957 / 2401923 -- Source:Leaflet distributed by Nerul Civic and Consumer Forum -- --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- an initiative of GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE to promote civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goacan.org --- ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Invitation to free Boradway Style Christmas musical - Long Island (NY)
If any of you folks are going to be in the NY/Long Island area over the coming weekend or next weekend, my family and I are acting in a Broadway style musical production titled 'All on a Christmas Day'. There are 4 performances beginning Sunday, Dec 7 at 7pm. The other scheduled performances are: Sat, Dec 13 at 2pm; Sun, Dec 14 at 3pm and 7pm. Invitation and directions posted at: http://sonce1.nursing.sunysb.edu/clubs.nsf/christmasMusical2003?OpenPage There's excellent music, dance and a good message too. Come early as seats get filled very quickly. Average attendance is around 500 - 800 per show. If any of you do make it, please meet me after the show. Daniel Soares Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Wanting to be Goans!
I have been in the UK for over forty years and never have I known of a non-Goan claiming to be a Goan. Although I've never lived in the UK, I have never heard of such a thing ever. Bernardo... what do you suspect these non-Goan NRI's are hoping to gain by calling themselves Goans? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Fri 12/05, Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eddie Fernandes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:08:54 - Subject: Re: [Goanet]Wanting to be Goans! ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake
Everybody offended with the subject picture accompanying the article in the Abu Dhabi Airport magazine should write the Goa Tourism Development Corp (http://www.goa-tourism.com/) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at their mailing address: Trionora Apartments, Dr. Alvares Costa Road, Panaji, GOA - 403 001. INDIA Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephones: +91 (832) 2226515, 2226728, 2224132, 243 Fax: +91 (832) 2423926 Best wishes - Bosco RESPONSE: Thank you for your spade work. I have already done the necessary. I do hope that the Authorities will do the necessary to correct the anomaly. Perhaps when I next visit Goa I shall adorn a kashti and ask Cecil Pinto to do the same them we could be depicted as typical Goan folk Men! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]National Football League: Haywards too good for JCT
Haywards too good for JCT December 05, 2003 18:54 IST Haywards 2000 emerged easy winners in their second round National Football League match, whipping former champions JCT 4-1 in Margao, Goa, on Friday. Abdullateef Seriki exploited the chinks in the rival defence to score twice and lead the Goa team to a handsome victory at the Nehru stadium. Haywards dominated the proceeding right through the 90-minute period and led 3-1 at half-time with goals from Dudu Omagbemi (16th minute) and Seriki (28th and 42nd). Avinash Thapa increased the tally in the 67th minute. JCT, who failed to combine as a team, got their only goal through international I M Vijayan in the 18th minute. Haywards, who drew against Vasco in their first match, have four points from two matches while JCT, who beat Indian Bank have in their opener, three points. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Wanting to be Goans!
Dear Mr Bernardo, 1. The queue outside the Portuguese consulate in Goa is of Goans, not non-Goans 2. They are seeking to go to the UK not Portugal. See the New York Times article of 8 June 2003 at http://goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2003-24/supp1/Portuguesepassports.html 3. I have been in the UK for over forty years and never have I known of a non-Goan claiming to be a Goan. I am not claiming you are lying but they have probably been pulling your leg and it looks like they have succeeded. Pray, do let us have details of your stay in the UK Cheers Eddie = - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Wanting to be Goans! Dear Mr. Nair, Please check the queue outside the Portuguese consulates in Goa. Thank you. Besides I have known many bharatis in the UK and the Far East calling themselves Goans. Thank You. Colaco ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Asia Cup football: Indian colts in last eight
Indian colts in last eight: Asia Cup football December 05, 2003 18:03 IST India demolished Afghanistan 4-0 to qualify for the last eight stage of the under-17 Asia Cup football tournament. Needing at least a three-goal margin to top the group ahead of Nepal in the qualifier at the Salt Lake stadium in Kolkata on Friday, India took a 2-0 lead in the opening session before increasing the tally in the latter half. With the victory, India booked a place in the pre-quarter-final round to be played in Japan in September, 2004. B Ralte opened the account for India in the fifth minute. The talented youngster, fed by a O T lepcha inside the rival box, slotted home from close. Lepcha, who played a stellar role, scored the second goal in the 14th minute. His 20-yarder bulged the net, giving no chance to Afghan custodian Emal Ghariwal. Ralte set up the third goal in the 68th minute, sending a nice pass to L Vanchhawng, who made no mistake. Having managed to garner the required three goals to go through, India went on the rampage with renewed enthusiasm and scored the fourth goal in the 87th minute, when Tetea Tlau headed home a Ralte cross from the left. India, who finished level with Nepal on four points from two matches, topped the group by virtue of a better goal difference. Indian coach Jahar Das expressed satisfaction at the performance of his boys, but said his wards will have to work hard to match tougher opponents in Japan. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: INSULT TO GOANS
With due respect, if it was a white person or a black person or a Chinese for that matter my stance would have been the same. It was factually incorrect to promote the Rajasthani Woman as a native of Goa. If she was promoted as a native of India then I nor anyone else would be hard pressed to have any qualms about it! Cheers, Gabe Menezes Subject: [Goanet]Re: INSULT TO GOANS In the link forwarded below, there are 3 pictures of churches (Western architecture) and 2 Indians. Am I supposed to be insulted by Indians (many Goans are Indians) or insulted by western colonial influences in Goa? Based on some of the discussions regarding this topic and the link below, it seems our boot-licking of the west (whites) continues but discrimination against Indians is ok. I guess colonialism never did go away, and Goans are happy to prolong it. George ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Re: INSULT TO GOANS
Let me give my two cents to this argument... Suppose a magazine needs photographs of a London image. Say they want to photograph Piccadilly Circus or Leicester Square and some Eastern Europeans are in the background and someone puts a label saying London native people. Does anyone feel this makes sense? They are indeed Europeans, they are of the same white skin colour, but they are not London natives. And the differences are so obvious, starting with their way of dressing so characteristic of Eastern Europe. But this situation would never happen in reality and you know why? Because someone or the other would have noticed the obvious mistake and corrected the label. There is no problem or prejudice if they are in the background of the photograph. The only problem is that the label is wrong! And if it had gone to press, the magazine would have been probably black listed in the UK and demanded to rectify the mistake in the next issue. This is because there is in the west attention to detail. I cannot say the same about India. In India there is hardly any detail whatsoever. People just say, write and do what they want and hardly anybody cares about the consequences. In Goa it is the sossegado concept kicking in. In India it is really a couldn't care less attitude. Even earlier this week, the Times of India, 29 Nov. reported that Mando festival turned Goa into a mini Singapore. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/328892.cms http://in.news.yahoo.com/031128/139/29y45.html The article contains mistaken testimonies. The facts are incorrect and it is sad that such things are being written in the media without any factual and historical validation! I guess it is not the first time and it won't be the last because nobody really cares and it is being written by and for a real bunch of ignorants! The dresses have a name are usually known as bazu-toddop and are not Singaporean but of Malay origin. The Portuguese didn't use to go to Singapore. That is wrong. Singapore was nothing else but a very small fishermen village and really only became one of the most important ports in the world in the last two centuries with the British. The Portuguese used to go to Malacca (which was another Portuguese colony from 1511 to 1641, taken over by the Dutch and is today a state of Malaysia). The Bazu-tuddop are known to be of Malay origin, not Singaporean. The origins of the Mando are debatable and there are lots of theories but I don't think the Portuguese can take full credit for the music like the article says. At the most, that is one of the theories... Best regards Paulo Colaco Dias. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Pinto Sent: 05 December 2003 01:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Re: INSULT TO GOANS In the link forwarded below, there are 3 pictures of churches (Western architecture) and 2 Indians. Am I supposed to be insulted by Indians (many Goans are Indians) or insulted by western colonial influences in Goa? Based on some of the discussions regarding this topic and the link below, it seems our boot-licking of the west (whites) continues but discrimination against Indians is ok. I guess colonialism never did go away, and Goans are happy to prolong it. George --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems to me that the Pic used in the Dubai promotion of Goa was perhaps the same one that is banded around the Globe. As it is, I agree with those who oppose it. The tourist promotion authorities in Goa should point out this anomaly to the perpetrators. Check out the link below as well ! Yahoo ? whooo? http://sg.travel.yahoo.com/guide/asia/india/goa/ Cheers, Gabe Menezes. __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Dreaming to be Goans!
(Bernado Colaco wrote: Please check the queue outside the Portuguese consulates in Goa. Thank you.) Mr Colaco, Do you mean that Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Andras (sic) and all the sub-continental nit-wits you mentioned in your earlier post are queing up outside the Portuguese Consulate in Goa, dreaming to be Goans? By the same logic, would you argue that all the Goans queing up outside the consulates of Arab countries in Bombay are dreaming to be Arabs? (Bernado Colaco wrote: Besides I have known many bharatis in the UK and the Far East calling themselves Goans.) The bharatis you refer to must be nuts like you to call themselves something they're not. After all, one is known by the company he keeps. No wonder you know only such people. Birds of same feather flock together, you see! But the decent Goans I know must be ashamed to hear sickos like you calling yourselves Goan! You're free to respond to this mail in whichever fashion you deem fit, but don't expect me to reply. I don't respond to idiocy because if you get into an argument with a fool you end up sounding like one. May your tribe increase! -- R.K. Nair _ Marriage? http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Join BharatMatrimony.com for free. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: PLANT UTSAV and Orchids.
Dear Miguel, We deem it necessary to inform you and others concerned that the Anthuriums Orchids Association has been formed to spread knowledge of Anthuriums Orchids in Goa. The favourable conditions for growing plants of these flowers existing in Goa are being propogated to our people. We have organised two tours of Mangalore where interested friends got themselves acquainted with the practical knowledge from those cultivating Anthuriums Orchids. We have also organised two workshop in Goa at which T.V. Screening was done. The second workshop at Mary Immaculate High School Hall in Panaji was attended by officers concerned from Agricultural Department. Our demonstrative green houses have been informative to every interested person. They observe the green house, arrangement of pots, plants, watering system, manuring and furnisation etc. We furnish necessary information for cultivation and different operations. We have made available materials required for green house and arranged for its installation. Now profesionals have come forth and are furnishing required services for installation of green houses at competative rates. Planting material and tissue-culture plants are also being made available with the valuable assistance of Sahyadri Planters and Greeners Pvt. Ltd., Mangalore and Southern Petro Chemical Industries Ltd., Coimbatore Arrangements are also made as and when desired by interested parties to obtain directly material and plants. We have been able to secure support from our Chief Secretary Shri. Negi who has been instrumental with the active co-operation of Shri. Joshi Director of Agriculture to obtain valuable services and know how from kenal Agricultural University. We have undertaken the registration of Flower Growers Co-operative Society. Smt. Ana Dias Camara has been appointed to render special attention to all those who are interested in cultivating Orchids. Scientists from ICAR and officers from Farmers Training Center at Ela Farm have all been actively rendering their services. We appreciate the opprtunities being offered by BSG to flower plant growers and we are spreading information in this behalf. Miguel Branganza is one of the professional in Gardening land scaping as his livelihood. We had even offered his clientale for land scaping, installing of green houses and gardening in South Goa when he expressed his inability saying he cannot accept outside Bardez. Miguel Braganza should be benefited in his profession by Florance Flora who have also launched on a commercial scale the cultivation of Orchids. We are happy to note their efforts in this field through their Dr. Don who has wide experience. We are associated with Vivek Naik who has established as a successful nursery man. The undersigned Bernard F. D'Souza is a professional advocate where he is required to devote time in attending to legal matters which do not always permit him to do what Miguel and his tribe may want him to. In conclusion we need to express that all concerned and interested have to pool efforts to make Goa a land of flowers. We have to obtain assistance from BSG, Sahyadris from Mangalore, SPIC from Coimbatore, Florance Flora, etc. and organise sale of these high valued flowers to other states in Goa and exploit the export potential by taking advantage of well established transport facilities by air, rain and road. Bernard F. D'Souza, Margao, Goa. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Rough Guide to Goa
http://travel.roughguides.com/ Destinations India Goa Goa If one word could be said to encapsulate the essence of GOA, it would have to be the Portuguese sossegarde, meaning carefree. The pace of life in this former colonial enclave, midway down India's southwest coast, has picked up over the past twenty years, but in spite of the increasing chaos of its capital, beach resorts and market towns, Goa has retained the laid-back feel that has traditionally set it apart from the rest of the country. Its 1.4 million inhabitants are unequivocal about the roots of their distinctiveness; while most of the subcontinent was colonized by the stiff-upper-lipped British, Goa's European overlords were the Portuguese, a people far more inclined to enjoy the good things in life than their Anglo-Saxon counterparts. Goa was Portugal's first toe-hold in Asia, and served as the linchpin for a vast trade network for over 450 years. However, when the Lusitanian empire began to founder in the seventeenth century, so too did the fortunes of its capital. Cut off from the rest of India by a wall of mountains and hundreds of miles of unnavigable alluvial plain, it remained resolutely aloof from the wider subcontinent. While India was tearing itself to pieces in the run-up to Independence in 1947, the only machetes being wielded here were cutting coconuts. Not until 1961, after an exasperated Indian Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, gave up trying to negotiate with the Portuguese dictator Salazar and sent in the army, was Goa finally absorbed into India. Those who visited in the late 1960s and 1970s, when the overland travellers' trail wriggled its way south from Bombay, found a way of life little changed in centuries: Portuguese was still very much the lingua franca of the well-educated elite, and the coastal settlements were mere fishing and coconut cultivation villages. Relieved to have found somewhere inexpensive and culturally undemanding to recover from the travails of Indian travel, the travellers got stoned, watched the mesmeric sunsets over the Arabian Sea and partied madly on full-moon nights, giving rise to a holiday culture that soon made Goa synonymous with hedonistic hippies. Since then, the state has largely shaken off its reputation as a drop-out zone, but hundreds of thousands of visitors still flock here each winter, the vast majority to relax on Goa's beautiful beaches. Around two dozen stretches of soft white sand indent the region's coast, from spectacular 25-kilometre sweeps to secluded palm-backed coves. The level of development varies wildly; while some are lined by ritzy Western-style resorts, the most sophisticated structures on others are palm-leaf shacks and old wooden outriggers that are heaved into the sea each afternoon. Wherever you travel in Goa, vestiges of former Portuguese domination are ubiquitous, creating an ambience that is at once exotic and strangely familiar. This is particularly true of Goan food which, blending the Latin love of meat and fish with India's predilection for spices, is quite unlike any other regional cuisine in Asia. Equally unique is the prevalence of alcohol. Beer is cheap, and six thousand or more bars around the state are licensed to serve it, along with the more traditional tipple, feni, a rocket-fuel spirit distilled from cashew fruit or coconut sap. Travelling around the Christian heartland of central Goa, with its whitewashed churches and wayside shrines, it's all too easy to forget that Hinduism remains the religion of more than two-thirds of the state's population. Unlike in many parts of the country, however, religious intolerance is rare here, and traditional practices mingle easily with more recently implanted ones. Faced by the threat of merger with neighbouring states, Goans have always put regional cohesion before communal differences at the ballot box. A potent stimulus for regional identity was the campaign through the 1980s to have Konkani, the language spoken by the vast majority of Goans, recognized as an official state language, which it eventually was in 1992. Since then, the immigration issue has come to dominate the political agenda. Considerably more prosperous than neighbouring states, Goa has been deluged over the past couple of decades with economic refugees, stirring up fears that the region's cultural distinctiveness will disappear. Among the main employers of migrant labour in recent years has been the Konkan Railway, completed in 1997 to form a super-fast land link with Mumbai another conduit of economic prosperity that has brought lasting changes. Which beach you opt for when you arrive largely depends on what sort of holiday you have in mind. Heavily developed resorts such as Calangute and Baga, in the north, and Colva (and to a lesser extent Benaulim), in the south, offer more walk-in accommodation, shopping and tourist facilities than elsewhere. Even if you don't
