[Goanet] Albert writes
Kevin, It is upto each one of us, how we take our religion- u say there is muc more to rel than just going to mas each w/end- sure u r correct but there is no need to find spirituality else where if one really truly understands the mass when u do that u will really want to attend mass every time u get the opp fr there u want to learn more more of the Cath Faith. One of the good sources is also EWTN - Eternal Word Telev Ntwrk. Sometimes it is v confusing listening to even some priests/religious as they want to tell witout being properly infmd or sometimes which is even worse- only that what is convenient- so be properly informed do not let your Faith b a watery one but well read well informed in the Magisterium traditions as well as Scripture. God Bles Claude ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for August 12, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Haryana to host Santosh Trophy (The Hindu) New Delhi: The Santosh Trophy has been shifted from Jammu and Kashmir to Haryana. The tournament will be held at Gurgaon and Faridabad from Sept. 14. The change was necessitated following objections from Bengal and Goa regarding Srinagar as ... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/08/12/stories/2006081212572000.htm *** Language war hots up in Goa (The Economic Times) PANAJI: With Goa assembly elections scheduled for early next year, the issue of according official language status to Marathi is gaining momentum. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1879369.cms *** Goa recommends Austrian's `mercy petition' to Governor (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 8: Goa cabinet today recommended to the Governor the `mercy petition' of an Austrian national, undergoing 12 years' sentence at Central Jail, Aguada for possessing drugs. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=4020 *** Hutch Goa Football League to begin on Aug 15 (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 11: Hutch Goa Football League, India's premier regional football league, would begin on August 15 with three major national soccer teams besides eight local teams locking horns for the prestigious title. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=5619 *** Incessant rains in Goa; alert sounded (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 8: Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second consecutive day today, raising the water levels in Anjunem dam in north Goa, prompting the state government to sound an alert for those residing in low-lying areas around the dam. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=4031 *** Four persons run over by train in south Goa (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 9: Four persons, including an infant, were run over by a train in south Goa, police said today. All the four bodies were found lying on the tracks near Sjoe De Areal village in south Goa, Deputy Superintendent of Police Tony Fernandes said. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=4469 *** Incessant rains in Goa, flood alert sounded (The Times of India) Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second consecutive day, raising the water levels in Anjunem dam in north Goa. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1873945.cms *** Take up public interest issues, Rajnath to Goa unit (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 11: The national president of Bharatiya Janata Party, Mr Rajnath Singh today predicted return of the BJP government in the state at the next assembly elections, with an overwhelming majority, gaining victory in 30 constituencies. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=081226 *** RBI to check foreigners land deals (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 11: The Chief Secretary, Mr J P Singh today said that the government plans to hand over all the 438 cases, pertaining to purchase of land by the foreigners in Goa to the Reserve Bank of India (RBI). http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=081227 *** Goa Health Minister for HIV tests before marriage (Hindustan Times) Favouring mandatory HIV/AIDS testing before marriage in the state, Goa Health Minister Dayanand Narvekar on Thursday said such a legislation would help curb the spread of the disease. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1765165,0006.htm Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ....... re Godfearing evil/response to Mari
On 11/08/06, Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mario, Does the Catholic Church's position on abortion also not apply to you because you are not a woman? Or its position on killing not apply to you because you haven't killed anyone? Elisabeth -- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Catholic Church's position on homosexuality does not apply to me because I am not homosexual. Comment: Many a true word was spoken in jest! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Screening Final Solution ..
On 11/08/06, Frederick FN Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elisabeth, How could you ever think of saying such of thing of Vivek and Modi? Are you a Marxist, missionary, (closeted) Muslim or Macaulayite? --FN Comment: Too true! Both Modi and Vivek are salt of the Earth types... -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] U.S issues warning for India (2)
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/11/D8JE27V00.html The attached is not an empty warning. As we know from 9/11, the bombings in Madrid and Bali and London and Mumbai and the arrests in London a few days ago, the people targeted include innocent civilians of all kinds, even those who oppose the US-led war on terror. An excerpt from the link above: The U.S. Embassy in New Delhi warned Friday that foreign militants, possibly al-Qaida members, may be planning to carry out bombings in India's two major cities in the coming days. In an e-mail sent to American citizens living in India, the embassy said New Delhi, the capital, and Bombay, the country's financial and entertainment hub, were the likely targets, and the attacks were believed to be planned for either before or on India's Independence Day, August 15. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Your Top Ten
Following are the top ten photos. As on 12.08.06 Top one (Betul Beach) was viewed by at least 601 different persons Last one No. 10 is Goa Ferry Boat, viewed by atleast 241 diff people Others includes Ana Fonta Margao, Miramar beach by nite, Star Cruise Vasco, Goa sunset with 3 cruising boats, Amit n Manish, Panjim Garden etc etc Surprisingly, Joe' Bungalow also featured in Top Seven. Following stats may also interest you: Goa Carnival Floats - Max so far 219 views, Santa Pursao- Max 129 views Old Goa (recent) - 82 only, Dona paula 93, Siolim church 156, San'nas 62, Patollio 38/79, Vasco Saptah 56, 4in1 pat ponnos etc 143, Kids circus 70, patolle panan 4in1 164,plant Gomi follam 166, Sting Ants 88, my toilet cum office 140, Tiatr related Max. 85 etc Check out your top ten here 1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/142046337/ 601 views 2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/121723216/ 3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/127837411/ 4. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/141251657/ 5. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/142046336/ 6. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/139044052/ 7. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/178985034/ 8. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/114602127/ 9. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/150431499/ 10. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/114602129/ 241 views Check these 50 Goan flowers http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Soul and after-life
Hi Santosh, Once again we are into exceptions making the rule. Atheism to the vast majority of believers and non-believers involves NO soul, NO After-life, NO God. Atheistic religions has a SEMANTIC problem, and some may say is an oxymoron. To this supurlo Goenkar, religion covers theology and God and is not merely philosophy. This was the difference between you calling Buddhism and Jainism atheists; and I terming them a religion. So atheistic religions is the same difference.:=)) The issue here is AGAIN semantics - How does one characterize God? Is God a personified individual as in some religions or is God a supernatural being, force, power, presence, cosmic energy, concept, spirit, etc as in others? Here is the confusaum. I do not know why you-all - atheists and their synonyms, make Religion and God so complicated.:=)) IMHO, science and religion are two parallel tracks. Like a rail-road track, there are wooden cross-bars (ties) to keep the two tracks connected AS WELL AS separated and in-line (parallel), on which the trains ride with stability. Please do not try to get the two tracks to meet. Not a good idea! In fact it is a silly idea! However much money, resources and research one may expend to see if they are the same, they will never be. Yet each track keeps the other one straight and in line.:=)) Once again Santosh contradicts himself with pretty strong language. He says the contention is pure nonsense that atheism involves a lack of belief in the soul and after-life. Then he goes no to show that scientifically it is correct there is NO soul and hence NO After-life. (see below) Kind Regards, GL Santosh Helekar: Gilbert or someone else stated here that atheism involves a lack of belief in the soul and after-life. This contention is pure nonsense. Atheistic religions such as Buddhism and Jainism, and philosophies that do not believe in a personified creator such as Taoism and Confucianism have very robust beliefs in souls, spirits, after-lives and netherworlds. Science, on the other hand, and neurobiology and thermodynamics, in particular, have amassed substantial evidence that rules out the existence of a non-material soul or self, which exists independently of the body, interacts with it and survives its death. Briefly, three lines of evidence that explode the mythical concept of a non-material soul are: ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Final Solution - response to Mario
--- Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MG: There may be a business opportunity in producing another documentary highlighting your objections to this one. MYSELF: Clearly humor is the last refuge of a poster who has run out of valid points. For your information the right wingers have already made and circulated equally malicious and inflammatory VCDs in Gujarat and elsewhere so Night Shamalan or mani rathnam would have to look elsewhere. I will take your lack of response as a vindicatin of my stand. Mario responds: Vivek, You have mistaken a serious suggestion for humor, so you are not as prescient and insightful as you pretend to be, and expose yourself as a person who jumps to self-serving conclusions. Isn't it a sign of desperation when people claim self-vindication for their ideas? Since you obviously have a bias and point of view and think that other right-wing-nuts have ...circulated equally malicious and inflammatory VCDs in Gujarat... it seems like my suggestion would make eminent sense, but would also expose you to a larger audience than Goanet who may have more access to the facts than we have or care about. Are you afraid of that? Vivek asks: Allow me to digress a bit, do u consider urself to be a ABCD too? just asking. Mario responds: If you knew what ABCD stands for you would not ask. ABCD has a precise satirical meaning that starts with American Born [thus the AB in ABCD, get it?], which I am not. However, I have produced three ABCD's, who could care less what ABCD means. Vivek writes: I also admit that wrting witha first name maybe be a bit uncomfortable for others but given the nature of the medium of communication I think that is fair that I take steps to safeguard my privacy. The only cause of concen would be an anonymous poster making objectionable personal statements against another. I believe i am clear of any wrongdoing on that count. Mario responds: How are we to gage whether you are clear of any wrongdoing when we have no idea who you really are? You may have some vested interest in spreading disinformation. People who hide their identities obviously have something to hide, and must pay a price in terms of their credibility. You would have been far smarter if you had also assumed a surname, as some others have done, and fooled people for a much longer time. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] QUOTE FOR TODAY
Don't worry about avoiding temptation... as you grow older, it will avoid you. -- Winston Churchill __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ....... re Evil racist clubs/response to Mario
No Dear Mario, It is you who are being extremely silly and I will demonstrate why with an example, which unfortunately is a true one. Back in those days, there used to be establishments (restaurants and clubs) in Dubai which were members only, which was an euphemistic way of saying Whites only. One day it happened that a party of Brits wanted to dine at one such restaurant. Amongst their party was a young lad married to a beautiful UK born Indian, who for all purposes you couldn't really tell was Indian except for that day she had worn a sari. They were told at the doorway, that the girl could not be admitted in.The entire group left in disgust. The members/patrons of such establishments can chose one out of two inferences depending on their respective actions. a) I concur with the rules of this establishment and will continue to patronise it or be a member of it, because I too believe that discrimination and segregation is valid in life. b) I will not be a member of this establishment because I have serious issues with the rules and the ideology behind those rules. You can't jolly well say, the rules don't apply to me because I'm not the one being discriminated against. Comprendez? Now, about that antacid, do you still want me to send you some :)) Elisabeth -- --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: Dear Mario, Does the Catholic Church's position on abortion also not apply to you because you are not a woman? Mario responds: That's right. Elisabeth writes: Or its position on killing not apply to you because you haven't killed anyone? Mario responds: Now you're being silly and counter-intuitive. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Tok Tok with Aunty on the last bus to Vasco ^_^
^_^ Jen muntah: For the love of Goa and KonkaniI give you tok-toks, goanetters == Tok Tok Kaun tinga? Brian Brian kaun? Birant nah re tuka? Itle ratcho Busin Vasco ghello? Tok Tok Kaun tinga? Miguel Miguel kaun? Mighello tho Goencho Ulo. Tuka Romi Concani eita? Tok tok Kaun tinga? Vivek Vivek kaun? Veee, ek-dom sott hanv sangtam tem!Tum mhojem Aik!!! Tok tok Kaun tinga Elizabeth Elizabeth kaun? Elli, Isabellager sonn hadlean; zai tuka? Tok tok Kaun tinga Bosco Bosco Kaun? Boss gho!Ubhem kiteak asa? Boss gho,Canada sonn aileah!!! (bus) Tok tok Kaun tinga Fred Free ad, goanettacher ghalunk zainah! Fee,red uniformachi divpak zai. Fried... rice korpak kitlo oghott lagtah? Tok tok Kaun tinga? Pinto Pinto kaun? Pi'to-kuch koltolem amchi Feni kitli strong poi thi! Tok tok Kaun tinga? Gilbert Gilbert kaun? Ghee-butter tuka motem kortolei Tok tok Kaun tinga? Gonsalves Gonsalves kaun? Gonsalli,vhis rupiyak char! Tok tok Kaun tinga? Gabe Gabe kaun? Gha, biyei nakah! Tuzo talloh boro distah aikonk. Tok tok Kaun tinga? Jose Jose kaun? Jhov,susssegad...kiteak rei unchambol zata? (courtsey Aunty) Tok tok Kaun tinga? Cecil Cecil kaun? Eii,silly jokes kiteak sangah gho? Thi mujhi section... Tok tok Kaun tinga? Dev Dev kaun? Devachi bhirant nah gho tuka? Henh kiten ghalun missak Ailam?? ^_^ Jen === Aunty muntah: dear jen, i don't think u quite realise how talented ur at konkani humor ! yr 'tok-toks' are simply glorious. there is a natural flow to the idiom and the wry pithiness of the language that can only be a gift! post 'em on goanet asap goanetters tok-tok may- hem...! wonder if abv comments cld be included.. Jen muntah: Dev borem korun Aunty...:-) Soglem tujhe kurpen... = *~Jen Birmingham UK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VascokarsUnited/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IEIGLC/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoanStudentsAbroad/ == __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] CM GPCC Chief return from New Delhi
As the State celebrates the death aniversary of Goa's first Chief Minister late Mr Dayanand (Bhausaheb) Bandodkar the latest developments on the movement for official status to Konkani in Roman script --- is that the Chief Minister Mr Pratapsing Raoji Rane and the Goa Pradesh Congress Committee Chief Mr Ravi Sitaram Naik after a short stay in New Delhi have left for Mumbai according to sources in New Delhi. Meanwhile there is a need to revamp the entire Board of official and non official members of the Goa Advisory Board for the effective implementation of the Goa Daman and Diu official Languages Act 1987 viz;constituted on 10.10.2005, 13.01.2006, 22.6.2006 only after the agitation of the protogonists of Konkani only in the Roman script took shape i.e since June 2005. It is seen that the Board is constituted of two thirds majority non official members who are STAUNCH protoganists of Konkani only in Devanagari script viz; a) Mr Chandrakant Keni b) Mr Pundalik Naik c) Mr Dilip Borcar (of Agacaim ) d) Mr Shivdas N (Naik) e) Mr Damodar Mauzo f) Mr Vishnu Surya Wagh included on 22.6.2006 g) Mr Shambu Bhau Bandekar ex MLA Canacona -do- other two members (included on 13.1.2006) apparently to represent i) those Goans whose mother tongue is Konkani but write in Marathi and ii) those non-Goans who have settled in the Novas Conquistas talukas before and after liberation who speak and write Marathi a) Mr Gurudas Sawal Gomantak Marathi Academy b) Mr Narendra Azgaonkar of Camurlim and only two others who have not been vocal on the demand for official language status to Konkani in Roman script; a) Mr Simon D Souza ex Dy Speaker (has an eye on the Vasco da Gama Assembly Constituency seat in the forthcoming elections) b) Mr Olivinho Gomes ex Goa University ( has some disputed financial dues to be cleared by Goa Government) Similarly the Advisory Board for Konkani of the Sahitya Academy at New Delhi is heavily loaded in favour of the protoganists of Konkani ONLY in Devanagari script and hence needs to be revamped to constitute it with both the factions --- protoganists of ONLY ONE SCRIPT ONE LANGUAGE and UNITY IN LANGUAGE AND DIVERSITY IN SCRIPT The Chief Minister Mr Pratapsing Raoji Rane being the Minister for Official Languages is also aware that the Statement of Objects and Reason of the Goa Daman and Diu official Language Act --- clearly states that 95% of the people of Goa speak Konkani which lays to rest the fact that none can temper the Official Language Act 1987 but an amendment to incorporate in section 2c /Roman script will not alter the principal act, in any way. In any way after the grant of Statehood to Goa and segregating the two overland territories of Daman and Diu the Act needs to be amended in any case as proposed in 2000 by the ex CM Mr Manohar Parrikar. Therefore the protoganists for Konkani in Roman script should channelise their energies ONLY seeing that the ninteen year old justice done to Konkani in Roman script is settled even if it means unseating the coalition Government in power. They should also be clear in their minds that the present agitation which has no numbers in its favour is for --- doing away with the introduction of one subject ENGLISH in the Primary section Marathi medium schools. This is because most of these persons send their wards to English medium schools and are only interested to deprive the low income groups to learn the language of the stomach English as it would also dilute their vote bank -- remember if there is a politician at one end there ought to be a fool at the other hence if all are educated and literate the vote banks are affected and politicians suffer the threat of defeat. The young turks rebels should take up this issue and muster the courage to remedy this injustice now or never. Meanwhile the local press has been distorting the SCRIPT ISSUE as a LANGUAGE ISSUE and fomenting a divide for reasons unknown. After Independence day -- the protoganists for Konkani in Roman script will demand from each of the MLAs to make their stands clear in writing. They should not try to make noises behind the skirts of women or behind the curtains of the GPCC office or the CLP but stand by the courage of conviction for whatever they stand. In any case they should remember that as lawmakers and representatives of the people they should reflect in their duties the will of the people and not of their own. GODFREY J I GONSALVES BORDA MARGAO GOA 9822158584 __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] 'DKA's Statement exposes tacit understanding
Hi Fausto, What are your specific objections to Marathi being included in the Act? Would you recognise that a significant section of the Goan population (we are not talking about Maharashtrians here) use Marathi as their preferred language for literary and cultural purposes (just as we are currently using English). Also, should the state be playing a role of proscribing which language should and should not be used? Hasn't this very situation lead to a mess at the primary level of education (nursery in English, primary in Devanagari Konkani, middle and high school back in English)? Why bother about excluding certain languages based on age-old biases? In any case, Konkani as the 'official language' for nearly 20 years hasn't offered government jobs in any significant way, though this was held out as a promised carrot in the past. As far as the bogey of languages like Kannada is concerned (which some have been raising), don't forget that Goa was ruled from what is now Karnataka for a significant period of time. And, before Devanagari and Roman came on the scene, wasn't Hale-Kannada the lingo used here? Including for comunidade records? This looks like a scare-building exercise to maintain hegemony. FN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kannada The first record on Kannada language is traced to Emperor Ashoka's Brahmagiri edict dated 230 BC. The first example of full length Kannada language stone inscription (shilashaasana) in Hale Kannada (Old-Kannada) script can be found in the Halmidi inscription, dated c. 450 CE. Prior to this, there is an abundance of inscriptions containing Kannada words, phrases and sentences. The 543 CE. Badami fort shilashaasana of Pulakesi I is an example of Sanskrit inscription in Hale Kannada script On 09/08/06, Fausto V. D'Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HOW CAN MARATHI BE INCLUDED IN THE ACT?? AND WHY NOT ENGLISH PORTUGUESE TOO??? IS THIS YOUR STAND DKA??? -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Patollio or Patoyo
Hello Joe, There is also a Srilankan sweet dish called Halapa, made with Halldi panam. It does taste like Patollio, but they use natchne in it. Could someone please give the english word for natchne the small brown grains? Cheers Jerry Fernandes JoeGoaUk wrote Patollio or Patoyo August month is the month of ?Patollio? Patollio or patoyo is one of the Goan delicacies. It gives nice flovour when it is done on turmeric leaves ?Halldi panam? or ?patolle panam?. These leave are readily available by end of July and whole of August/Sept. End of Julu and early August, these leaves are even available for sale say Rs.5 a bundle of 12 leaves. Patollio are are made up of flour, coconut and jaggary. Either baked or steamed. Besides, Christian in Goa, Hindus too make patollio on their ?nagpanchami? festival. Patollio are also very popular in Kerala --- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Administrator. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Jarir Bookstore ..not just a bookstore Visit us: www.jarirbookstore.com 12/8/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Public Hearing on Environment Impact Assessment (EIA) a 'farce' w.r.t. two mega projects by M/s. Prudential Group-Panjim.
GOA ENVIRONMENT ACTION GROUP (REGISTRATION NO. 6/98) Office: 2nd. Floor, Karekar Building, Angod, Mapusa. Ph: (0832) 2266111 Our Ref: GEAG/PH/EIA-02/PJM-MPSA/08/06 Date: 10 August, 2006 To: Additional Collector (North) Chairman, Public Hearing on M/s. Prudential Group, Menezes Braganza Hall, Panjim Goa. (Inward date 11/08/06) Member Secretary, Goa State Pollution Control Board, Dempo Towers, 1st Floor, Patto Center, Panjim-Goa. (Inward date 11/08/06) Commissioner, Panjim Municipal Corporation, Panjim-Goa. (Inward date 11/08/06) Chairman, Mapusa Municipal Council, Mapusa-Bardez-Goa. (Inward date 11/08/06) M/s Prudential Group, 4th. Flor, Duga Chambers, 18th. June Road, Panjim-Goa. (Registered-Ad no.540- 11/08/06) Chief Town Planner, Town Country Planing Dept., 2nd. Floor, Dempo Towers, Patto Center, Panjim-Goa. (Inward date 11/08/06) Sirs, Subject: Ref: Public Hearing in respect of Development Projects by M/s. Prudential Group: (1) 5 Star Hotel at St Inez, Panjim. (2) 192 Apartment Residential Complex at Peddem, Mapusa. This is to bring to your kind notice that the attached questionnaire was submitted to you at the hearing with a copy of the same to M/s. Prudential Group on the Mapusa Project, the same was read out with certain apprehensions by the undersigned during the said Public Hearing. The response to those queries are still awaited from the concerned authorities as well as from M/s. Prudential Group. We take the liberty to add one more query to the questionnaire already submitted as above so that this may also be taken on record while making your report as required by MoEF, (Ministry of Environment and Forests) New Delhi, on its standard PUBLIC HEARING FEEDBACK FORMAT. In addition to the questionnaire already discussed during the Public Hearing, we would like to know if the 'contour plans' of the property at Chalta No. 10, PTS 36 at Mapusa has been made. If yes, kindly furnish a copy of the same. At the Public Hearing, M/s Prudential Group presenter has gone on record to say as under:- QUOTE Though both project costs are less than Rs. 50 crores individually, which ceiling invites EIA proceedings of which Public Hearing is mandatory, the Group felt it fit to do the EIA even though it was not officially required to do so. UNQUOTE In view of the above, kindly clarify if this EIA report has been done voluntarily and without it being binding on the Group. Kindly furnish us with the transcript of the final report of the Public Hearing that will be sent to MoEF, New Delhi for our perusal and action. We remind you, Sir, that our stand is not against these development projects in Panjim city as well as in Mapusa. All we are saying is that the Public Hearing should have been conducted prior to the deforestation, hill cutting and generally before starting of construction work on these projects. It must be noted that both the projects were will underway in violation of section 4 of the EIA notification, 1994 at the time of the said Public Hearing conducted on August 8, 2006. We would also like to bring to your kind notice that no print media persons were present (as required by item 22 of the PH Feedback Format) for the Public Hearing except for one of Goa's cable TV Channels (Goa 365), that too because the undersigned had made a special request to its Director for its presence for the hearing. Sad to say that this channel too is yet to include this clip in their daily news telecast. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, for Goa Environmental Action Group. Sd/- Floriano C. Lobo Hon. Gen Secretary Ph. 2470223 (M) 9422060347 Attached: (1) Questionnaire as submitted and read out by the undersigned at the Public Hearing on August 8, 2006. (2) Copy of the letter by NISARGA NATURE CLUB. NOTE: For more details kindly see www.goasu-raj.org [comments on news report section] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] St. Xaviers Shuts Carnac Road Chapel.
Hello Eric, Indeed it’s very sad news given by Eric, about the Carnac Road Chapel. It was the most frequented chapel for me during my three years residence in Mumbai, just next to Metro Cinema. As it was a walking distance, I can say equal walking distance also to Our Lady of Dollars, but preferred to this chapel, I will certainly miss it on my trips to mumbai. Thanks for bringing this information. Atleast I wont be shocked when I land in Mumbai. Cheers Jerry Fernandes Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:06:50 -0400 From: eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] St. Xaviers Shuts Carnac Road Chapel. It was not a Parish, but the School's chapel filled in for generations of Marine Line - Crawford folk, specially the 8 am Choir Mass. I have learnt that the Jesuit fathers have shut it's doors, a response to falling attendance: most Crawford Market catholics have now moved on. It had been magnificently renovated in the early 60's: at the helm of inspiration/design/architecture was Basque native, Rev. Molinet - he had taught us french. It would never have happened, however, without the Barcelona duo, Bro. Munoz and Bro. Hernandez, master craftsmen who never appeared to put their chisells down. I really meant to remember the Choir, doing this today. My eyes well at the memory of the guys swinging out ' we pray to God and for his mercy, --- - to thee we bring our joys and sorrow ', Ignatius Day's 'Noble Night', and always, the National Jana Gana Mana ! Thank you so much, the late Conductors Paul Frank, Victor Coelho, solists Trevor Taylor/Stanley Pinto, not to omit the Director, the Rev. Bonet.eric. --- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Administrator. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Jarir Bookstore ..not just a bookstore Visit us: www.jarirbookstore.com 12/8/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] POSITIONS THE CHURCH
Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Catholic Church's position on homosexuality does not apply to me because I am not homosexual. COMMENT: Many a true word was spoken in jest! -- Gabe Menezes. London, England -- Gabe, Methinks the 'gentleman' doth protest too much.! might be more appropriate (paraphrasing WS/Hamlet) ! FR. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Indo-Portuguese silver coin...
For auction: EXTREMLY RARE INDO-PORTUGUESE SILVER MEIA RUPIA. GOA Starting price Rs 1501 See http://wapurl.co.uk/?M7WZGX1 -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Devanagri, Devchargiri, Dadagiri!
Devanagri, Devchargiri, Dadagiri! Open letter to whoever is responsible for excluding official Konkanni in Roman script! Whats this I hear about Devanagri script being the only official script for my mother tongue Konkanni? Shouldnt be there a freedom of rights for anyone who wants to write Konkani in any script? Do you have to force a writer to write Konkani only in Devanagri script to be recognized? If you write Konkani in any other script is the writer not qualified for Government grants even if the quality of writing is of superior standard? This is just not acceptable. Why force anyone to write against his/her wish in a script s(he) is not conversant with and be a loser, especially those writers born in Goa before 1961? Enforcing this is similar to forcing Hindu Goans writing in Konkani in Roman script during the Portuguese rule. Is there any evidence of this? If there is, it is equally unacceptable. But the Portuguese never encouraged Concanim anyway. Hindus wrote letters in Konkani/Marathi in Devanagri script and less educated Goan Catholics wrote Konkani in Roman script. In fact the only qualification for a Catholic bride at that time would be a requirement to write letters in Konkani in Roman script together with some sewing skills. I remember one Prof Sardessais Conversacao guidebook which translated Portuguese phrases in Concanim in Roman script of course, and which was a very valuable tool for Goans from villages to learn the Portuguese language. We never saw Concanim written in Devanagri script during Portuguese rule, not that it was of any use to us. The only Devanagri script we saw was for Marathi schools in Goa and there was even Urdu script for Urdu studies. So it is no wonder that after the liberation, no Catholic Goan (born before 1961) that I know of was ever awarded a Sahitya Academy award for Konkanni so far, because most of the veteran writers came from the pre-liberation period. If novelist Reginaldo Fernandes were alive today, he wouldnt get any Sahitya Academy Award for sure, because he wrote Konkani in Roman script. The only Catholic Goan, who could come close to receiving it would be Prof Olivinho Gomes, but he never wrote a novel in Konkanni in his life as I can recall, although he translated some works from novelists like Francisco Luis Gomes from Navelim.(Os Brahmanes, I think). If I write Konkanni in Devanagri script it could be full of mistakes, like I wouldnt know if I use the first u or the second uu or first ka or second kha,etc and I am not able to differentiate between these accents, but I can write a novel in Konkani for its substance, wordage and entertainment. But I have to write it in Devanagri script or else it is not recognized by the Academy. Where are my rights? Its ok to make Konkanni in Devanagri script compulsory for people born after 1961 for sure, but what about us? We have something to offer for readers in Konkani literaure, but the Government says we are no good writers as long we write in Roman script. Isnt this a double standard? Is it our fault that liberation took place in 1961? Did the Indian government or the Indian Sahitya Acadmy make sure that we, the Catholic students during the Portuguese rule in Goa, were allowed the facility to learn Devanagri script in our aula, the way they force it now in Konkani schools? No! And if there was such a facility, I would surely have taken it. The Marathi schools were far away in Hindu strongholds. I took French and it was even more difficult. So why castigate people like us now? So I would request the Human Rights department (if there is such a thing in India) from Goa/India or the freedom fighters or anyone who took away our rights/freedom to write in our script of choice against our wishes, to strongly force the government to recognize Konkani in Roman script. So let Konkanni be written in Devanagri script or in Roman script and let every writer be recognized for his/her contribution to society. Remember Hindus too wrote Concanim in Roman script during the Portuguese rule and were recognized by the people of Goa for their contribution in Concanim Tiatro or on Vauraddeancho Ixtt or other publications. So dont give us the only option there is right now, that Konkani will be recognized only in Devanagri script and that it is the only right way or else take the highway. After all, Konkanni in Roman script is NOT Devchargiri. But if that is the governments or the Sahitya Academys or anyone elses perception, then I am afraid I can accuse all of you as the perpetrators of a greater Dadagiri! Silviano C. Barbosa, Author of the novel The Sixth Night Sottvi Raat hi kadombori rochpi ani boroupi. August 12, 2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] The Flying Goan !
The Flying Goan ! ooo The Flying Goan : Come see my photos! http://www.flickr.com/messages_read.gne?id=72157594230613426 posted by rene 00 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] on Fake IDs and Silent GoaNetters - a response to 'Vivek'
'Vivek' wrote: 1: To be honest I dint expect much in terms of substantial and meaningful contribution from people down under and others of thir kind 2: The issue of communalism in Goa is indeed a serious one and in my opnion sholdnt be trivialised. 3: I have never supported Modi as it is made out to be. I have just tried to prove to the discerning public that much like the controversial VCD circulated by Velingkars cronies in the education department the Final solutin s a piece f propaganda which is full of bias. 4: I am hiding behind a fake id when the fact is allmost all 9000 goantters are as anonmous as anyone else 5: what is the difference between me and the poster who uses the id mario Goveia or sy sunith velho or joegoauk or nasci caldeira jc's response: re #1: Is 'Vivek' referring to our friends from Australia ? Wonder what he means by others of their kind. re #2: I agree. re #3: Perhaps so ...but does not mean much as long as the statement maker is hiding in the bushes. re #4: I submit that the vast majority of GoaNetters (silent or not) are not misrepresenting their identity with Fake Names. Being silent is NOT the same as being Fake. One only Fakes when one wishes to deceive or be dishonest. re #5: There is a difference. Mario Goveia, Sunith Velho and Nasci Caldeira are not imposters. They are real people with real names. What's holding you vivek? ... are Goans that inconsiderate that you have to be afraid of them. Come out of the closet unless you are afraid of something or somebody. If you are, please stay where you are.even if it is WINDY out there in the CITY (:-) just my view jc ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Toronto Goanetters Luncheon Meet - Aug 20/06
Pursuant to putting names to faces at the recently held Viva Goa, Ben Antao initiated the possibility of Goanetters and their spouses (politically correct term in Canada) meeting for lunch on August 20, 2006 to celebrate World Konkani Day. The location is : Indian Kitchen 7330 Yonge St (SW corner of Yonge/Clark Ave two blocks north of Steeles Ave) Thornhill. http://theindiankitchen.ca/ Buffet: $9.95 Time: 12 noon, Canadian time, not Goan standard time.:-) Besides the tantalizing food there will be a discussion on our Diaspora and the possibility of initiating some concrete discussions about ourselves and where we are headed. As of this writing we have 8 confirmed Goanetters (and their spouses) in attendance. More are always welcome. Pls email me or show-up for lunch. Best - Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ....... re Godfearing evil/response to Mario
Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Catholic Church's position on homosexuality does not apply to me because I am not homosexual. --- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: Dear Mario, Does the Catholic Church's position on abortion also not apply to you because you are not a woman? Mario responds: That's right. Elisabeth writes: Or its position on killing not apply to you because you haven't killed anyone? Mario responds: Now you're being silly and counter-intuitive. Here's why. The other two examples clearly do not apply to me personally as I CANNOT have a homosexual relationship or have an abortion. Mario, In today's world, a couple will say that we had a child or we had an miscarriage. If the couple is having marital difficulties, it is we are having relationship problems. I think the problem you have is that you are from an era where everything was I. Mario responds: However, in this example, it clearly does apply to me as I CAN theoretically kill someone even if I have not yet done so. I don't think you are capable of killing anyone. However, anyone who goes around describing himself as a barbarian and using the name of Jesus Christ to cuss is doing an excellent job of killing himself (theoretically.) Mervyn3.0-+-+-++ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
