[Goanet-News] Goanet Reader: Goa's vanishing landscape; where is conservation on Goa's agenda? (Bonny Fernandes)
* GOANET C * O * M * M * U * N * I * T * Y E * V * E * N * T * Xavier Center of Historical Research presents HISTORY HOUR TOPIC: Waste Wise - An Interactive Awareness Presentation on Waste Management in Goa SPEAKER: Clinton Vaz - November 16, 2007 - 5:30pm VISIT: http://tinyurl.com/222757 GOA'S VANISHING LANDSCAPE: WHERE IS CONSERVATION ON GOA'S AGENDA? By Bonny Fernandes Former Chief Planner, Goverment of India Characterised as the Queen of the East, Goa, under 450 years of Portuguese rule remained a relatively laid-back colony of 6,00,000 inhabitants, who lived a susegado life. Today, forty six years after Liberation, Goa is rapidly transforming itself, from a feudal agrarian economy into a modern industrial state, and an acclaimed tourist destination of international fame. It has 13,00,000 inhabitants, of which over 600,000 or 50 per cent live in urban areas. It took 450 years for Goa's population to reach 600,000 with an urban population of 87,000 people. Whereas in a span of 46 years Goa's population more than doubled and the urban population increased seven folds during the same period. The number of towns and cities increased from 11 to 26. Soon after Goa was liberated, I had the opportunity of visiting Goa on several occasions in my official capacity as Town Country Planner with TCPQ, Government of India. During each visit, as I went around, I was enchanted with the picturesque landscape of the territory of Goa, which possessed rich and varied charms at different altitudes. The interior hilly region covered with rich green forests; the sub-mountainous region with undulating uplands and; the coastal plains, the most urbanized region of Goa, studded with coconut groves and lovely green paddy fields. Each exuded its own beauty. But the most picturesque region embraced the lower basins of the Mandovi and the Zuari rivers. Indeed, nature has endowed Goa with lush green vegetation and breathtaking scenery of the lofty Konkan Ghats, punctuated by the solitary majesty of the Dud Sagar waterfalls in the east. Tropical luxuriance and cool verdure of giant areca groves, pulsating with crystalline streams on the hillside and the peaceful riverine beauty of the serenely flowing Mandovi and Zuari in the plains, emptying into the Arabian sea, among the tall coconut fronds screening the clouds of Goa's golden shores in the west, and its variegated urban landscape dotted with churches, temples and mosques, with their own architectural design and character, quite different from those of any other part of India. Alas! During my recent visits, I find Goa's magnificent landscape rapidly vanishing, obliterated by haphazard urban expansion and unimaginative real-estate development. Development, be it for residential or commercial purpose, has occurred in an unplanned manner, resulting in loss of good agricultural land in the environs of the cities of Panjim, Mapusa, Margao and Vasco-de-Gama, and most of all it has led to the defacement of natural landscape. The present concentration of urban population in the Talukas (sub-districts) of Tiswadi, Bardez, Salcette and Murmagao, classified as Old Conquest Areas is a consequence of the earlier occupation of these 'Concellos' by the Portuguese, who by and large concentrated their development efforts in Panjim, Margao, Mapusa and Vasco-de-Gama. While the remaining seven Talukas -- the new conquest areas -- were neglected. At that time there was hardly any population pressure as compared to what is now. Rapid urbanization in Goa in the aftermath of liberation has put pressure on the cities of Panjim, Mapusa, Margao, and Vasco, which are sprawling to the extent of degrading the natural landscape and usurping fertile agricultural land, while the emerging built-form of these cities is eroding the urbanity. Many of the qualities which Goa's cities of Panjim, Margao, Mapusa and Vasco possessed once upon a time are now being eroded. While these cities are expanding spatially and quantitatively as never before, their quality of urbanity is diminishing dangerously. Whether resulting from planned or organic growth, these cities inherited from the Portuguese rulers had a character and local identity, which lent to their imageability. Today, Goa's cities are in crises. Once great centres of civic life have now turned into urban jungles, where the profiteers and motor vehicles rule. An entirely new environment is being created, which presents problems of cultural and
[Goanet] THE STORY -- HOW TO GET A GOAN EDITOR INTO BED!!!
It is irritating to put this note right at the head of this posthttp://penpricks.blogspot.com/2007/11/how-to-take-editor-to-bed.html. We so wish we could just plunge headlong into the story, but we must make sure that you guys know the motive behind this small, but dishy story we've done. There is no personal element involved here. We have only tried to do bring to the fore, the callousness with which newspapers treat their readers. This story shows, how it takes only a Rs 60 classified ad (in vernacular newspapers) or a Rs 120 classified ad in English language newspapers to expose the moral and ethical bankruptcy in Goan newspapers. (in all we spent Rs 300 for the classified ads in the three newspapers) What Penpricks has attempted to do in public interest, is pay these newspapers back in their own slimy, stinking coin. Our objective is to remind the editors of the responsibility they owe their readers. We are aware that this blog is a puny David in front of these mammoth newspapers of Goliathic proportions and hence we have followed this guerilla approach to lash out at their wrongs. We've jabbed their jaw, punched their chest, tied knots round their feet, but this story is a knee up their groin. Should serve them well to remember, that they should not take their readers for a ride. This is the story... here goes You must have seen several classified ads in Goan newspapers peddling 'massages' to clients. We had run a storyhttp://penpricks.blogspot.com/2007/09/for-body-massage-contact-mrinal-pande_20.htmlon such obvious soliciting (through massage parlours of course) in The Hindustan Times some months back. We were not very pleased with this trend creeping its way in our own backyard and hence were looking out for a way to work a story around this, when one of us pricks in a rare spasm of brilliance came up with this idea. This was the premise... a) Most 'massage parlour' ads solicit prostitution b) Newspapers in Goa have no compunctions against publishing such ads c) The editors should be held responsible for all the content published in a newspaper and there is no way they can shy away from this responsibility. This is how we went about planning the story. We picked three newspapers. We could have easily picked up more, but that would have meant more money... We worded these classified ad in such a way that there was no ambiguity about the fact, that the ad had less to do with massages and had everything to do with the flesh trade. Secondly, the ads we released clearly said that there were 'well built Arab/Asian boys and girls' to be had for massages and entertainment. It is shocking that the newspapers had absolutely no issue advertising BOYS and GIRLS or in other words minors, for the purpose of massage and 'entertainment'. Can you beat this guys? In other words, these guys have absolutely no qualms being party to peddling minors for massage and entertainment purposes. And by entertainment, we clearly did not mean a Bharatnatyam or a Salsa performance. It could mean only one thing... You know what that is. Next comes the core of the brainwave, the prick came up with. We put in the mobile numbers of the respective editors as contact numbers for people interested in the 'services' that our classified ad offered. If you read the three ads, you'll see the contact names as Aruna, Sandy and Robby and their corresponding cellular numbers. The ad which says Aruna was published in The Navhind Times. Aruna is scrambled for the newspaper's editor Arun Sinha and that's his mobile number up there. The ad which says Sandy was published in Gomantak, Marathi. Sandy stands for Gomantak editor Sanjay Dhavalikar and of course finally the ad which says Robby was published in the Herald. Robby is scrambled for our one and only Herald editor Robin Abreu. Sanjay and Robin's mobile numbers too accompany their respective ads. We are sure people interested in such 'services' have called these guys up using the phone numbers given. Till an hour or so the editors had already stopped picking up phones from unknown numbers. We know this would really rankle them. We are glad it does. It ought to remind them of the job they are supposed to be doing as journalists in senior positions. In case they still don't remember, Penpricks will come up with a few more ways to remind them again. If you are convinced with what we've written out here, do call em up and speak your mind to them ask them why such ads are published? Or you could also call them, if you want to listen to their side of the story... here are their numbers... Arun Sinha: Editor, The Navhind Times -- 0832-6651120 and 0832-6651123 (direct line) or 09823026348 Robin Abreu: Editor Herald 09822122325 and 0832-2433373 (direct line) Herald board numbers: 0091-832-2224202,2224460,2228083 Sanjay Dhavalikar: 09822129348 or 08322402701/02
[Goanet] Goa government's official website hacked
Goa government's official website hacked Panaji, PTI: The alleged hacker, Huseyingazi, who has claimed to be a Turkish national, has connected the Goa government's Information and Publicity Department's official website to www.turkmilliyetcileri.net, which flashes slogans against America. Goa government's Information and Publicity Department's official website has allegedly been hacked by a Turkish hacker who has posted anti-American slogans on it. Goa government has started a process of filing an FIR with police on the issue. This is a very serious matter and we will be filing FIR with the police, state Chief Secretary J P Singh, who also holds charge as Information Secretary, said. More at: http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Nov172007/national2007111736249.asp? section=updatenews ~(^^)~ Avelino
[Goanet] on lights for hindu festival - commnual congress??
Dear Selma- In response to your views about communal BJP here is my question to you When we had no power supply on Diwali , should we give it a communal colour and say that it was done purposely by the Congress govt and that they are against Hindus?? Another thought Or should we accept the truth that the spares procured by the congress govt are sub-standard owing to the frequent power cuts in the state?? And dismiss it off by saying oh but we know that the congress is corrupt, so what can one do?? Either ways, with the current congress govt we are damned if we do, and doubly damned if we dont. So , over to you dear Selma and thanks very much - sonia Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Selma 's sensationalism/to RKN
--- Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selma has not directly commented on my post, but I do see signs of a change of heart. What say, Selma? - Dear RKN, The reason I did not respond to your post directly was because I do not like to take (or rake) issue with people who I generally hold in good standing. We can all agree to disagree amicably. Perhaps I'm one of those people who is unduly perturbed by issues of hygiene, sewage, sanitation, changing tables at airport restrooms etc. I cannot stand people defecating in public. I once had the most unpleasant experience of seeing a child doing a big job just outside the Basilica of St. Xavier. To me that was like a stake plunged into my heart. Goans are grappling with a multitude of problems. Oft times it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. selma Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet] to Jose Agnelo do Rosario Pinto -- Recheck facts on Digamber Kamat
Cederico, Rajan Narayan Goan Observer? He fabricates balcao stories so he can make money from gullible goans. It is unfair that you compare it to the other Goa media. How can you prove that Kamat is the most unstable CM ever? I know CM's that lasted few days. Just because you do not like him, does not make him the most unstable CM. Lok Shakti is active only during elections to support their favorite Margao candidate. So what? A Margao brahmin has to support a Margao brahmin. It is interesting to note that the CM as well as the Opposition leader are brahmins. It may be for the first time in Goan history. Goa is in good hands. Both are smart, educated, and visionary leaders. Do not worry. Why are you against Congress? Is it personal? Look what they have done to Goa. regards, j n Nov 15, 2007 1:42 PM, cedrico dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * GOANET C * O * M * M * U * N * I * T * Y E * V * E * N * T * Xavier Center of Historical Research presents HISTORY HOUR TOPIC: Waste Wise - An Interactive Awareness Presentation on Waste Management in Goa SPEAKER: Clinton Vaz - November 16, 2007 - 5:30pm VISIT: http://tinyurl.com/222757 To Jose Agnelo do Rosario Pinto -- Recheck facts on Digamber Kamat I appreciate your views but want to mantion, the Goan media like the Goan observer has already projected DK as the most unstable CM ever, DK made the most trips to delhi and back and is the most remote controlled CM ever in India. Also your views on Dr colaco and the other bloke of Lok shakti are very unfair, they being portuguese literate doesnt protect them from being biased towards the congress and fooling the people of Margao. as for digamber kamat, leave alone taking babush's support which he has already taken, digamber kamat will go to the extent of polishing his shoes if there is a threat to his chair...will the davalikar bros and churchill agree to me on this? isnt it the same digamber who went with a begging bowl to churchill to save his kodel... regards Cedric da Costa Dubai Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet] Selma 's sensationalism/to RKN
Don't worry, Selma! I do understand your viewpoint. It's not as if Fred and I are too pleased with the squalor and disorderliness that we witness all around us. But my point is that it's better to deal with the problem on the ground rather than just bleating about it in cyberspace and ridiculing the unfortunate perpetrators. And, believe me, we're succeeding in our own modest way. Chennai is now far less squalid than it was when I landed here a decade ago. I'm sure the situation in Goa will improve too, if its citizens apply pressure on the civic authorities and come forward to bear the expenses. Going hammer and tongs at poor migrant labourers is no solution at all. The employers who bring them to Goa should be made to provide proper housing and sanitation facilities to them. But it will take some time, especially because it's very difficult to change people's mindsets, for us to achieve acceptable standards. Please bear with us till then! And I'm flattered to know that you hold me in good standing :-) Regards, RKN On 11/17/07, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selma has not directly commented on my post, but I do see signs of a change of heart. What say, Selma? - Dear RKN, The reason I did not respond to your post directly was because I do not like to take (or rake) issue with people who I generally hold in good standing. We can all agree to disagree amicably. Perhaps I'm one of those people who is unduly perturbed by issues of hygiene, sewage, sanitation, changing tables at airport restrooms etc. I cannot stand people defecating in public. I once had the most unpleasant experience of seeing a child doing a big job just outside the Basilica of St. Xavier. To me that was like a stake plunged into my heart. Goans are grappling with a multitude of problems. Oft times it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. selma Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet] Fox guarding the henhouse
--- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Goanet - Digambar Kamat's govt is going to appoint a committee to study the SEZ issue. Now read carefully: the committee will comprise 3 or 4 ministers. The govt does not trust any citizen to be on the committee. In other words, the very people in favour of the SEZs are now going to make a study on the feasibility of SEZs in Goa. Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse. Does the Goa government expect to fool the public by appointing ministers to study SEZs? It is like putting alcoholics in charge of the bar. Instead of pro-people solutions we will get more land scams. Regards, George P.S. Thanks to all who have written to me privately and offered support and help. Together Goans around the world are keen to save Goa. Some effort is being made and perhaps modest success may be achieved against overwhelming odds. If we lose, at least we will go down fighting.
[Goanet] meeting held at Colomba to oppose mining activity
The villagers of Kevona, Colomba , Chudemol of Sanguem taluka are fully determined to opposes the proposed mine near St. Francis Xavier Chapel Colomba. The villagers to oppose the mine on the hill where the chapel is situated had a meeting on 14th November near the Chapel which was attended Rivona parish Priest Fr. Jose Vaz , his assistant Fr. Nickson, Don Bosco Rector Fr.Mathew DCunha, panch Mrs. Luiza Fernandes and Joana Lopes, Rama Velip and around 150 villagers. The villagers claim that one of the present minister of the Goa government is directly behind the starting of the mine. They further claim that all around the proposed mine there are residential houses, at a distance of 300 mts. there is Colomba High School, on the said hillock there is also a crematorium of the Hindus and a cemetery of the Catholic. The villagers apprehends that if the mine is started the villagers of Kevona, Colomba, Chudemol will be badly affected and their life will be in danger in the days to come . So also the paddy filed cultivated by the villagers around the hill will be in danger. The villagers attended the meeting on 14th November irrespective of their religion are determine to fight against the proposed mine and had taken a oath to that effect at the said meeting. - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY -2007 - Goinkars Own Academy -Goans in Pakistan - report by Nascimento Santamaria in Karachi
Goemkars - everywhere ! I am Proud and Privileged to be working with a dynamic and Courageous Goan Community group in Karachi, Pakistan - the Goinkars Own Academy under the able Leadership of Deborah Santamaria, the President. I take this opportunity of Congratulating Deborah and her team of supporters for organising this years WORLD GOA DAY celebrations - despite the difficult situation that prevails in Pakistan. I give you a report of the WORLD GOA DAY , the report has been compiled by Nacimento Santamaria in Karachi on the WORLD GOA DAY 2007 - held on the 8th and 9th of November , 2007. rene barreto TOGETHER we HAVE MADE IT HAPPEN. = = = ooo ooo0 oo World Goa Day Celebrations - Karachi Pakistan 000 00 8th 9th November 2007 Nascimento Santamaria in Karachi = = == This year the Christian Community of Pakistan was entertained by the Goinkars Own Academy as they got together to celebrated World Goa Day 2007 on 8th 9th November 2007 at a different venue this year the BARADARI FARM. Since, it was a working day the committee members decided to depart at 7 p.m. giving enough time to get back home and pack their bags for their overnight stay at the farmhouse. On arrival at the pickup point everyone was handed over a goody bag consisting of toothbrush, Lipton tea mug, tea sachets, ticky pack biscuits, soap and a juice pack before boarding the bus. The luxury bus departed at 7.45 p.m. from St. Anthony's Church safely arriving at the Baradari Farm House at 8.45 p.m. The Executive Committee Members of the Goinkars Own Academy with help from some members set up the place for the evening. Thereafter announcement was for dinner. After dinner, the Emcee announced the entertainment segment for the evening, a game of TOMBOLA was played, the winners Tony Santamaria received for a side game Haircut at Fletchers and the full house dinner for 2 at Beach Luxury Hotel was given to Gerry Croning. Although a variety of items were planned, but owing to the tense security conditions in the country the committee decided to drop the variety program, but a few children were adamant and they wanted to do their bit, the items presented by these children were prepared by them selves. The children performed three items, the first item was a dance WISHES, the second was a song GOTTA GO MY OWN WAY and the third HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL performed by Naomi Santamaria, Nikita Fernandes Chayanne Fletcher. Thereafter GOINKARS NEWS VIEWS. Followed by a sing song by Kevin Fernandes (BOBBY) on the guitar. Finally the World Goa Day theme song Proud to be a Goan written by Basilio Magno was sung and all joined in. concluding the night event, D.J. Fabian Bob took over and kept the crowd dancing till the early hours of the morning with his collection of non stop Konkani English music. 9th November 2007 A delicious Breakfast of Halwa Puri was ready for all at 8.30 a.m. After breakfast announcements were made for registration to the Cricket teams. Some headed off to the pools, while others relaxed on the swings and under the trees, amid a good collection of Konkani/English/ Indian music. An exciting cricket tournament comprising of 4 teams namely Lady Luck, Lady Bug, Lady Diana and Lady Fish. The commentator Fabian Bob with his witty jokes left the crowd in splits of laughter. The teams not only had the fairer sex batting, bowling and fielding but also did a wonderful job as captains for their teams. The winning team in cricket received a gift from the President of the Goinkars Own Academy. Gifts were also given to the other cricket teams as well as the Referee. Carol Bob and MaryAnn Pereira were presented dinner for 2 vouchers as it was their birthday. Lunch was served at 1.30 p.m., after some were busy with the game of cards. Hot cups of Tea was served at 4 p.m, thereafter a round of tambola was played which was enjoyed by all. The President of Goinkars Own Academy thanked all present for their participation, she emphasized that this was their event and their cooperation and support has made it a success. Before boarding the bus all were invited for a group photograph. At 5 p.m. all started boarding the bus for home, taking back with them memories of an enjoyable and memorable World Goa Day 2007. 000 === GLOBAL NON RESIDENT GOANS REUNION -GOA 19th January ,2008 http://worldallianceofgoanoverseasassoc.blogspot.com/ Ex Students StJoseph's-Zanzibar Reunion - GoA Jan 27 2008 Details at : http://www.sjcszanzibar-reunions.com/ 0 Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.
Re: [Goanet] Press Release from SEZ Virodhi Manch
November 16, 2007 PRESS RELEASE Reacting to GPCC President Francisco Sardinha's public statement that the Government intends to constitute a core committee comprising of some ministers to review the SEZs in the state, the SEZ Virodhi Manch, in a press release here today, said that it was clear that the Government was on slippery ground on the vexed SEZ issue coupled with the internal political contradictions within the cabinet, that has compelled it to resort to the classic time wasting ploy used by it in the past to defuse people's movements. Regarding the GPCC President's claim that the Congress party has taken the views of the people, the SVM said that it is a matter of shame that the Government did not think it necessary to set up a committee or even inform the people before ushering the life changing SEZ policy for Goa. And even before the setting up of this committee, the Congress has apparently made up its mind that SEZs have come to stay in Goa as can be seen from the GPCC President's statement if people are opposed to big SEZs, Goa could have smaller ones. SEZs are necessary for generating employment in the tate - this even as the Government has failed till today to conduct a study on the employment generated by existing industrial estates for Goans and the profile of the Goan workforce available. And as for Mr. Sardinha's claim that the Congress party has always bowed to the wishes of the people in the past, the SVM said that the people have not forgotten the lack of will of the CM to fulfil his promise of removing the controversial casino boat from the River Sal. It now appears, that this was just an attempt to weaken the people's opposition, since the Captain of Ports has gone on record to publicly state that his department has not even received an application to move the controversial boat. Since the Government has not seen fit to stop ongoing SEZ work at Keri and Verna/Loutolim, it is abundantly clear that the Government has already come to its decision even before the appointment of the Committee, which is apparently only an attempt to hoodwink the people of Goa and lull them into a false sense of complacency. Regarding CM Digambar Kamat's often repeated lament that this is a problem inherited from the previous Government, the SVM said that since the previous Government was also a Congress government, it speaks volumes for the calibre of the Congress Party in Goa, demonstrating that this party has neither a collective and consistent vision for Goa, nor is willing to shoulder collective responsibility for its sins of omission and commission. Regarding the GPCC President's assurance that 80% employment for Goans would be compulsory for SEZs, the SVM asked whether the state government has any jurisdiction/authority that permits it to make such a sweeping claim, when SEZs are autonomous bodies only subject to the Central Development Commissioner and totally out of the purview of the state government. The people are not willing to accept the Government's time wasting offer of a Committee even as our water resources and environment are being ruthlessly destroyed thanks to a Government that looks after vested interests rather than the interests of the people of Goa. It is abundantly clear now, from the GPCC President's statement, that the Government is inadequate and incapable of rising to the challenges of looking after the interest of Goa and Goans. For SEZ VIRODHI MANCH sd/- Charles Fernandes, Convenor
Re: [Goanet] Goodbye, Sanny Goodbye
Very well said Walter. I'll appreciate if you send the Konkani transaltion of the same for publication in Gulab. Coincidentally he sent me your email address with the following message a few days before his departure from this planet. I shall write to you later. May his soul rest in peace. Fausto Mogall Fausto Bab, Anything for you within my capacity, you are always welcome. Email ID: Walter Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mob.#: 9370569296 Address: Walter Menezes. The Mustard Seed Cusmane, Quepem - Goa 403705. If you call him then pls call after 7:00 Pm. Mog assum di, Tumcho khalto, Sanny de Quepem Walter wrote: A tribute to Sanny GOODBYE, SANNY GOODBYE goodbye, sanny goodbye there is mail in my mailbox but without your posts it looks empty and sure we miss you aplenty you did your bit and more than that and gave your very best to everyone around for to give is godly and all that is not given is lost says an old indian proverb the bard of avon once said life is a stage and that is where you stood on goa day singing your heart out before a captivating audience but only the lord knew and none how sudden and 'drama'tic your 'exit' would be goodbye, sanny goodbye walter menezes, quepem, goa Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ End of Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1057 ***
Re: [Goanet] Selma 's sensationalism
We also have to imbibe the skills of keeping our countries as clean as Switzerland, and dump our toxic plants in the Third World, while at the same time also garnering all the ill-gotten wealth from dictators that rule the south (in numbered bank accounts) while at the same time preaching morals. We have a long way to go maan! FN On 16/11/2007, Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this time I find myself in complete agreement with Fred, especially his comment: One day we might become as dirty as them... -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph 0091-832-2409490 12000+ downloadable, sharable hi-res photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/
[Goanet] Cuncolim Civic and Consumer Forum meeting on Sunday 18th November
--- Cuncolim Civic and Consumer Forum meeting on Sunday 18th November --- The Cuncolim Civic and Consumer Forum (CCCF) will have its monthly general meeting of consumers on Sunday 18th November at 10.30m at the Our Lady of Health High School, Cuncolim. Among the issues to be discussed are Childrens Road Safety Traffic management, Vigilance awareness to curb Corruption, Know Your Pharmacist program, Waste Management for enviromental protection sustainable consumption, service related problems of PWD water supply, Electricity, Bus Transport, Post Office, Cable TV, LPG cylinder supply by HP Gas, BSNL telephones and preparation of Identity cards for Senior Citizens. Consumers of Cuncolim are invited to attend the meeting and participate in the deliberations. Message from the Cuncolim Civic and Consumer Forum (CCCF) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Fox guarding the henhouse
P.S. Thanks to all who have written to me privately and offered support and help. Together Goans around the world are keen to save Goa. Some effort is being made and perhaps modest success may be achieved against overwhelming odds. If we lose, at least we will go down fighting. ** That's the spirit, George. And I don't mean the one which is found in z' bottle :-)) Goans (especially the X'pat variety) need to shake their heads loose which is burried in the routine, 'every day' sand and look up for once, lest they find that their beloved GOA is gone from sight when they wake up at their own leisure. floriano goasuraj PS: Puny DAVID did do it unto the monster GOLIATH. Didn't he... now Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fox guarding the henhouse --- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Goanet - Digambar Kamat's govt is going to appoint a committee to study the SEZ issue. Now read carefully: the committee will comprise 3 or 4 ministers. The govt does not trust any citizen to be on the committee. In other words, the very people in favour of the SEZs are now going to make a study on the feasibility of SEZs in Goa. Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse. Does the Goa government expect to fool the public by appointing ministers to study SEZs? It is like putting alcoholics in charge of the bar. Instead of pro-people solutions we will get more land scams. Regards, George P.S. Thanks to all who have written to me privately and offered support and help. Together Goans around the world are keen to save Goa. Some effort is being made and perhaps modest success may be achieved against overwhelming odds. If we lose, at least we will go down fighting.
[Goanet] question for Cedrico
question for Cedrico Fri Nov 16 18:24:52 PST 2007 Dear cedrico:i had asked wilma the same question and now i amasking you. Meaningless questions incessantly on Goanet deserves meaningless answers. Goanet does not cater for this waste of time, no matter how many times you ask them. ED. - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.
[Goanet] Free E-Books
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[Goanet] An article for you
Goa's Developmental Problems by Brian Antao, Ph.D. Goa is challenged by many problems that come in the way of its steady development and really being the Number One Model state in India. I am not saying that Goa should be sold to the land sharks by the way of the Regional Plan 2011 and turned into a concrete jungle. But it behooves us to take stock of the overall steady pace of development that takes place in our susegad Goa, and what implications it has for our Goan livelihood. First of all, Goa is perhaps the Number One state in India where it comes to political instability. We have had as many Chief Ministers in as many years in the last couple of decades, and with such political instability there is very little progress that the state can achieve. Despite this fact We Goans seem to be quite proud of this record and keep on voting in the political instability. It is high time for us Goans to wake up and smell the coffee, and vote intelligently so as to elect a majority government to power that will stay in office for the full term. Instead of time and again returning these fractured mandates, that allows the great game of Goan political Horse trading to go on. Next we Goans seem to have made it a fashion to taking to opposing many a good development policies of the Government. Many of us are being mis-guided at times by a few of those with a political vested interest. The Goa Bachao Abhiyan may have achieved a good milestone in having gotten the Regional Plan 2011 scrapped. But that was its main objective and goal, it got it achieved and that was fine. Now it seems that it wants to spread its wings and take on opposing anything and everything that the government does, and that is not just fine. We do not need another agitationist group to mis-lead the people against the developmental policies of the government and in the process keep the state of Goa backward. We don't want Goa to be known to be that of the cooks, butlers and the ramponkars. If you look at India in a larger context this is exactly what has been happening. Compare to China since it began its reforms, it has steam-rolled ahead, with full co-operation from its people, the rate of progress and development have been phenomenal. Take India, when the reforms began with Rajiv Gandhi, till today, India has not achieved even half the progress and development as China, that is because we Indians are like a “basket of crabs” in-fighting with each other. Mahatma Gandhi started the concept of peaceful revolt against the external enemies, the British, the modern Indians have abused the concept for anything and everything to revolt against the government. With the Leftists and the trade- unionists and the vast mis-guided who have taken upon themselves to form anti-establishment NGOs opposing anything progressive and developmental, such as the Nuclear deal that the government takes upon, how will this country of ours develop at a healthy rate as China. The other thorn in the path of progress and development is the opposition in the government. It is sad that the opposition takes its job rather to literally to being the opposition, and does not believe in “constructive opposition”. In a vibrant modern democracy such as ours the opposition should be willing to arrive at a consensus with the ruling government on many an important development agenda for the greater good of the state. Instead of opposing for the sake of opposing and misguiding the public against the policies of the government. For this we have to make sure that we elect the right people to the government, so that we can leave the government in their safe hands, and then there is no need for all these watch dogs to keep a watch on what the government is doing. We Goans have to learn to think intelligently for ourselves and question the motives of these people who try to lead us into opposing the developmental policies of the government. We should not simply follow the herd mentality or simply try to want to be the one to throw the next stone. Think for yourselves that the Government is trying to achieve some progress and development and is working for you. It is trying to uplift your well-being and create more opportunities for you. Lets us look at a large percentage of the Goan youth and what type of jobs they have been seeking or getting – mainly as cooks and butlers on sailing ships or in the Gulf. Is this the Goan heritage we would like to be proud of. If you look at the employment advertisements in the two major English dailies in Goa, all the positions regularly advertised for are all for low-level positions, not a single position is for a top managerial executive post. So are all Goans only fit to work in only low-level positions ? There are three local engineering colleges and one national engineering college in Goa, but where are the sufficient job opportunities for the graduates passing out from these
[Goanet] Goa government is giving false e-mail address
The goa government constituted a task force to prepare the regional plan 2021. A Notice to that effect was published in the local daily sunaparant on the front page on 9/10/2007 asking for suggestion regarding the proposed plan 2021 and the last for submitting the suggestion was mentioned as 22/10/2007 . An address was mentioned in the notice to submit the suggestion and in the said notice a e-mail address was also given which reads as under [EMAIL PROTECTED] . That on behalf of Gawda Kunbi Velip and Dhangar Federation the task of submitting the suggestion was entrusted on me and accordingly i prepared the suggestion and tried to e-mail the same on the above mentioned e-mail adress on 21/10/2007 and subsequently on 22/10/2007 . I send the e-mail in all for five time. The E-mail sent by me on the above e-mail adress could not be delivered/successful and every time I used to get the answer no such user The government seems to be fooling the people by giving wrong ID Address. - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.
Re: [Goanet] Raising a Stink
Sitting at the XCHR, seeing Clinton's demo. Wondering who around me could be Aniriddha Sen Gupta. As for me, I'm the scruffiest guy with an unrepentently grey beard. Nice to have all kind of interesting persons on Goanet! You write well, ASG and should consider doing a piece on your days in Corjuvem, and your experiences there. We in Goa have a long way in critiquing the ills in our own society. -- Sent via BlackBerry® while on the road... http://fn.goa-india.org
Re: [Goanet] Currency values
Mario Goveia wrote: So, let me get back to safer ground by using the official US government statistical information since the entire financial world uses this as their primary reference on information about the US, other than those who confuse US government statistics with US government policy or pronouncements by US politicians that they may agree or disagree with. Mario, The worthiness of official US Govt info took a nose dive after they announced that Iraq had WMD and was ready to attack in 45 minutes. Since then, no one trusts their info. Financial firms are collecting their own US inflation numbers to make long term decisions. Secondly, the worth of the US dollar is falling because: 1) Inflation is at a benign 2.8% 2) Inflation really is double that rate. You take you pick on which one you want to believe. In the meantime, Goans and everyone else whose income is linked to the US dollar are scrambling for ways to de-link themselves from the scourge. Kuwait, Kuwait of all countries is the latest to de-link their peg to the US currency. In effect, they are going to repay their US debts at cheaper exchange rates. Most investors make and lose money no matter what happens in any economy. This one is hilarious. Thanks. Mervyn3.0 Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies. - Marx - Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet] Currency values - response to Gabe
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:27:43 + From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario has claimed to be an MBA. Therefore I am taken aback that he had to resort to Google, to try and fathom out what is really going on w.r.t inflation gauging in the USA. Mario asks: Gabe says he is taken aback that I used Google. Hanh?! Does this mean I'm supposed to avoid Google to post reference materials to show that I am not making up facts in a discussion? How does this compute as we MBAs are used to saying among ourselves? :-)) Besides, what does my MBA, which, BTW, is from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor for those familiar with MBAs, have anything to do with the questions I raised? I did learn to use recognizable facts, to connect the dots and to support my facts and opinions with independent information. But you really don't need an MBA for that. Just common sense. Gabe Menezes wrote: Just this hour, Bernanke spoke in depth about trying to better achieve transparency, regarding inflation and that the Fed is working on this. The Fed still hasn't recovered the plot: core vs. headline inflation again. Let me quote from the Testimony of Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, Semiannual Monetary Policy Report to the Congress, before the Committee on Financial Services, U.S. House of Representatives July 18, 2007 Sizable increases in food and energy prices have boosted overall inflation and eroded real incomes in recent months--both unwelcome developments. I believe that the interest rates in the USA, do not fully reflect the inflation rate; also the Fed is under sever constraints politically and had to cut interest rates to accommodate the fall out debacle of the Sub Prime loans. Mario asks: What do the comments summarized above have anything to do with the information that I questioned in my post of November 12 that US inflation was 5.1% and that the US routinely excluded the cost of food and gasoline when calculating inflation? See, http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2007-November/064664.html Even Mervyn Lobo has now confirmed that the 5.1% he had mentioned was a rate used by non-US lenders when making loans to American businesses, which would be a hurdle rate that is always higher than the inflation rate by an amount that reflects the lender's perceived risk in the investment. BTW, we MBAs learn this stuff in Finance-101:-)) I also showed that the US Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics publishes inflation rates with food and gasoline included as well as an adjusted rate that excludes food and gasoline. See box in upper right hand in, http://www.bls.gov/cpi/#data So, Mervyn was not wrong; he was only half right because he did not seem to be aware of the inflation rate that included food and gasoline. Gabe Menezes wrote: Mario should know this, as his neighbour hood is one of the worst hit areas in the USA, with run down buildings and distressed 'Repo sales signs'. An USD300,000 home is a substantial home, by any measure in Toledo; the equivalent ?150,000 would at best buy a studio flat (one bedroom) in London. Mario responds: Again, what does the condition of my neighbor hood have to do with the topic under discussion, even if these gratuitous comments about my neighbor hood were accurate, which they are not??? Besides none of my neighbors are hoods:-)) Getting back to Gabe's comments, how could anyone who claims to have acute analytical skills compare a mid-sized mid-Western city in one country with a national capital like London in another country? An MBA would never do that. Wouldn't a more appropriate comparison use cities like Washington, DC, or New York City, when making comparisons with London? BTW, I love London where the beer is warm and they pay absurd prices to live in quaint, dingy old tenements with a lot of history behind them. I mean a LOT of history:-)) Gabe Menezes wrote: So much for the cock and bull story, as espoused by Mario, that the poor in the USA are the equivalent, if not better off than the middle class European. Mario responds: The alleged cock and bull story that Gabe is referring to has not been part of this discussion, until Gabe has now made it a part. However, anyone familiar with the US and Europe would know that many people considered poor in America do enjoy a standard of living that is at least as good as that of many middle-income Europeans. Actually, there is no need to believe me, or anyone who makes not-so-acute analytical comparisons - come see for yourself. If you disagree, fine. You are entitled to your own opinion. I am entitled to mine. My advice to those who read critical comments about the USA, especially by those who had applied for residency in the US and been rejected, is to ask yourself why the US has been for centuries, and continues to be today, a magnet for immigrants from around the world. We have somewhere between 12 and 20 million illegal aliens floating around for God's sake, determined to be a
[Goanet] Past Present History of Goa
A fleet of four ships sailed out of the Tagus, in Portugal, on the 8th July 1497. Their departure accompanied by the tears shed by the crowds, and the chant of the priests was to have a colossal effect on this remote location on the Indian subcontinent.Vasco da Gama and his band of adventurers had setout to find a new route to India, and to break the monopoly that the Turks held in the spice trade. They reached India on 18 May1498. Vasco da Gama's voyage opened the Indian Route, or Cape Route, as it was also known, that is to say regular sailings of fleets between the West and the East. The Indian route allowed an important commercial traffic, the expansion and consolidation of the Portuguese Empire, the dissemination of the Portuguese language, and culture; and the legacy of the values and ideals of Christianity in the Orient and Goa. The broad horizon of information provided by the 'Discoveries' was responsible for showing Europeans the truth about the ways of life, of the Goans people and the Orient. This horizon of information brought about a revolution in contemporary ways of living, not only through the knowledge it revealed, but also through the exchanges it produced. This can be noticed in many different areas, and with consequences that nowadays are part of the world patrimony. From Reagan D'costa - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.
[Goanet] currency values
Dear All: once again bwana mervyn is dancing around the bushes ... to recap: mervyn said the the inflation index doesnt include food and fuel.. mario responded that it does.. the FACt is there are different indices and some exclude certain items..so to be fair to mervyn and mario both are correct.. the second statement that mervyn made was inflation rate is 5.1 % mario challenged the number and mervyn hasnt till date clarified.. i think that mario is right that 5.1% is the hurdle rate ..its upto mervyn to provide us with thelnk from where he got his 5.1 % figure.. if he cant that means he is seriously misinformed ... as regards gabe he made some noises too but those are to be ignored :-) personally i am glad none of the involved parties blamed BJP/RSS?VHP for the economic woes of the US b Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Sanny De Quepem
SANNY DE QUEPEM, May the Almighty Give strength and guidance to the his family to Overcome this great loss Eternal rest grants to him OH Lord and let perpetual light shine on him, May his soul Rest in Peace Amen. With deep Sympathy From Reagan De Molcornem - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.
[Goanet] GOANS CELEBRATE GOA DAY 2007
GOANS CELEBRATE GOA DAY – 2007 Goa Day 2007 was celebrated in a grand style at the Indian Community School Auditorium in Salmiya – Kuwait on November 9, 2007, after a lapse of two years and yet it was hailed as an unique event. It was largely attended and the venue was packed to capacity, with some of the people having to go back to their dismay. Even though the start up time was announced as 10.00 a.m. Goa Day activities commenced at 11.30 a.m with a big bang, led by musician Socorro and his Jolly Boys leading the Presidents of the 14 Participating Clubs along with President of Goan Welfare Society to the stage set up in the Auditorium. The inaugural ceremony was a treat to watch when the Presidents of each participating Clubs contributed by way of solving a jigsaw puzzle, to put together all the parts of Goa (Talukas) on a specially designed board to depict the Map of Goa.Thereafter the President of the Goan Welfare Society, Wilson Coelho, officially declared the Goa Day 2007, opened to a thunderous applause from the mammoth crowd. In the traditional manner a prayer and singing of the hymn St. Francis Xavier, invoked the contributions of all those present to recognize the countless blessing that have been showered on the Goan community, over the years by the Patron Saint of Goa, for the success of Goa Day. A colorful Souvenir, published to mark the occasion, was released by the President of the Goan Welfare Society, in the presence of the Presidents of participating Clubs/Organizations. Similarly, the VCD entitled “Dukham” produced by Querobina Carvalho – comedy queen of the Konkani Stage, was inaugurated at the hands of the President of GWS. The Konkani songs singing competition, which is designed at encouraging Konkani, had a good response with participation of 35 school going children in various categories. The competition was conducted by Cajetan Pereira, Head of the GWS Cultural Cell, in accordance with a set rules and regulations of the competition. The three independent judges, Francis de Verna, Querobina Carvalho and Adolf Fernandes, who were entrusted to choose the best three of each of the 3 categories and they did a wonderful job. Our distinguished guests, Fr. Tony D’Souza – Director and Fr. Lionel Braganza, Principal both of Don Bosco school, who attended the singing competition were all praise for the excellent manner in which the competition was conducted and impetus given to Konkani. The curtains were raised for the next event, when Julio and McCloud, took over to take over the task of providing the best to the rocking people who came to rejoice at the sound of music produced by ‘Deep Impact’ and ‘2 Sharp’. They made sure that the people got the best from both the Bands and ensured the best was given to the rejoicing crowd. Later in the day, the Cultural Program was staged with renowned professional artists and amateur artistes of Konkani stage, who gave their best performance to a capacity crowd who enjoyed every moment of the Program hosted by Cajetan de Savordem and Ms. Janet Fernandes. The performance that stood out in the Cultural Program is that of Sanny de Quepem, who rendered a song “ EKVOTH MUNCHEAKULACHO” which convey the essence of Unity among human kind, more so among the Goans. All the other artistes were vociferous in their performance which was well acclaimed by the audience. The Chief Guest for the Goa Day, His Excellency, Ambassador of India to Kuwait, Shri M. Ganapati, was impressed in the manner in which the Goa Day was organized. He appreciated the unity that was displayed and stated that this was one occasion where he witnessed one of the largest attendance among the Indian Community, assembled under one banner. He was all praise for the Goans and was happy that Indians are in the forefront in socio-economic development of India. In his speech, Shri Eduardo Faleiro, NRI Commissioner and Ex-External Affairs Minister, who was a guest of Honor at the function expressed his happiness for having attended such a glamorous occasion. He commended the Konkani stage artistes, for their wonderful performance and praised their talent, being away from their motherland. He defined the purpose of his visit and expressed satisfaction at the way the Goans organize themselves and hold activities such as Goa Day. He presented a Memento – book on Kaleidoscopic Goa, a cultural Atlas and pictures of Velha Goa, the traditional hand painting Azuleijos, a collection of Mario Miranda - a renowned Goan Cartoonist. This Mega Event was sponsored by Western Union and others, who recognize the services and good nature of Goans who live in Kuwait. A day long event which will be long remembered by Goans in Kuwait, having witnessed the happenings at Goa day 2007 and for having made it a point to be a part of this grand celebration, went home totally satisfied. Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more!
[Goanet] Kerkar Art Complex: Kathak dance by Mamata Hussain
Kerkar Art Complex organizes concerts of Indian Classical Dance and Music every Tuesday from 6:45 to 8:30 p.m. during the tourist season. This is the only place in Goa where concerts of Indian Classical Dance and Music are organized on a regular basis. For the last fifteen years, Kerkar Art Complex has been promoting Indian Classical Music and Dance. So far Kerkar Art Complex has presented more than five hundred concerts in order to give exposure to Indian Classical Music to the visiting tourists. The artists who perform in these concerts include Manab Das, Maruti Kurdekar, Chote Rahimat Khan, Mangala Mardolkar, Jyoti Goswami, Tulshidas Navelkar and Amit Bhosle. On Tuesday, 20th November 2007 there will be a Kathak dance performance by Mamata Hussain. This will be followed by a Sitar concert by Manab Das. He will be accompanied by Maruti Kurdekar on Tabla. Kerkar Art Complex Gaurawado Calangute, Bardez Goa - 403516. Tel: 2276017 Fax: 2276509 Website: www.subodhkerkar.com Goanet AE - http://www.goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] question for Cedrico
Floriano's question to Bandare. Would you reject a 'baby' just because it has not grown legs that run??? floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:54 AM Subject: [Goanet] question for Cedrico Dear cedrico: i had asked wilma the same question and now i am asking you...i hope at least you will answer my question is a poliical ideology bad just because people have rejectd it? you always mention that BJP is evil because the people have rejected it.. by your logic is floraino lobo's GSRP the worst of all?? regards b
Re: [Goanet] Konknni Talkies : the Tom Bhembre Show
Mogall Miguel bab, Nobody would tolerate a slur on his / her credibility nor expect others to doubt his / her honesty. But they say, you reap as you sow. So, if you cast slurs on the credibility of others and doubt their honesty and that too in a harsh language, you could not possibly expect anything but retaliation in kind. Though I do not doubt your honesty, I had to use your own medicine to make you realize what you are doing to the feelings of others. Now that you have realized it, no hard feelings! You say you do not belong to any CAMP. But your crusading spirit gets the better of you and thus you end up being more loyal to the monarchy than the king himself or as they say in Portuguese, mais papista do que o proprio Papa. All said and done, the two of us seem to share a few characteristics. I too do not want awards ( as if I were eligible for any!). I have never taken any subsidies, nor do I need any. I do not like posts; but some are thrust upon you. For instance, once I got a telephonic message saying that they wanted to nominate me on some body; could I please send my biodata. I remonstrated that I do not qualify for such a position. But the person at the other end insisted. So I sent a biodata which was much watered down from the actual. I was sure that nobody in his senses would have proceeded any further on the basis of that. Imagine my shock when, some ten months later, I find myself on that body with the added prefix Dr. to which I am not entitled. Probably on the same basis, I was appointed on another body. Not that these nominations fetch me any monetary benefits. May be I could put them on my letterhead. But I use the same old letterhead which I printed when I was in service (canceling out the office address which is no longer valid); why waste paper? And I have never used visiting cards. But, whenever I could, I have politely declined the offer of posts. And I too do not like a seat on the dais. Although I have been a teacher all my working life, and addressed a captive audience, I hate addressing a gathering during a function because it sounds so artificial, so self-aggrandizing. But when you tend to forcefully put forward what you feel is right about a certain issue, some people think you would be the best person for promoting the cause. So, I sometimes, reluctantly, end up on a dais. I certainly dont feel elated in such a situation. But we are one when it comes to the love of our mother-tongue. Yet we clash, most ferociously. I will discuss some other day why this happens. Suffice it for today to say that we are looking at the issue from two different angles. Mog asum. S. M. Borges On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mogall Sebastiao-bab, If I say I know how a clock works it does not mean that I work like a clock! So there! Yes, I do not accept a slur on my credibility. When I take pains to be right ..and I am open to correction when I am wrong ... I expect that others do not doubt my honesty. Is that too much to ask? What is true is true even if everyone doubts it. What is false is false , even if everyone doubts it. That Konkani written in the Roman script is alive and showing no signs of dying after 20 years of official suppression is the truth today. I do not belong to any CAMP. I am neither a member of KBM nor of DKA, not of Konknni Ekvott nor of RLAF. I neither want awards, nor subsidies. Neither posts, nor a seat on the dais. Konkani is my Mother Tongue. That is enough for me. I will rest my case here. You can have the last word . Mog asundi. Miguel Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Selma 's sensationalism/to RKN
We do agree with RKN when he says: I'm sure the situation in Goa will improve too, if its citizens apply pressure on the civic authorities and come forward to bear the expenses And we sympathise with dear Selma when she says: To me that was like a stake plunged into my heart But then if RKN is taken seriously, this would mean that the taxes that Goans pay through their noses are not counted and that they should bleed more to make the framers of laws (read legislators) to do what they are supposed to do. We at goasuraj say: Forget about paying more Because, if only the good people of GOA would cast their votes diligently, semblance of 'order' could be had for free. In this connection we invite RKN to check-out Chapter [XVI] of our 'Road Map for Goa' captioned ' Employment Labour' floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Selma 's sensationalism/to RKN Don't worry, Selma! I do understand your viewpoint. It's not as if Fred and I are too pleased with the squalor and disorderliness that we witness all around us. But my point is that it's better to deal with the problem on the ground rather than just bleating about it in cyberspace and ridiculing the unfortunate perpetrators. And, believe me, we're succeeding in our own modest way. Chennai is now far less squalid than it was when I landed here a decade ago. I'm sure the situation in Goa will improve too, if its citizens apply pressure on the civic authorities and come forward to bear the expenses. Going hammer and tongs at poor migrant labourers is no solution at all. The employers who bring them to Goa should be made to provide proper housing and sanitation facilities to them. But it will take some time, especially because it's very difficult to change people's mindsets, for us to achieve acceptable standards. Please bear with us till then! And I'm flattered to know that you hold me in good standing :-) Regards, RKN On 11/17/07, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selma has not directly commented on my post, but I do see signs of a change of heart. What say, Selma? - Dear RKN, The reason I did not respond to your post directly was because I do not like to take (or rake) issue with people who I generally hold in good standing. We can all agree to disagree amicably. Perhaps I'm one of those people who is unduly perturbed by issues of hygiene, sewage, sanitation, changing tables at airport restrooms etc. I cannot stand people defecating in public. I once had the most unpleasant experience of seeing a child doing a big job just outside the Basilica of St. Xavier. To me that was like a stake plunged into my heart. Goans are grappling with a multitude of problems. Oft times it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. selma Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/147 - Release Date: 10/24/05
[Goanet] Facts and the Future: The art of the possible?
Dears, What will it be to be in Panaji between 21 and 23 November, 2007? Mog asundi. Miguel Willy demands SEZ freeze PANJIM, Nov 16: While demanding a freeze on all Special Economic Zones-related work, Nationalist Congress Party chief Dr Wilfred de Souza on Friday welcomed the government's decision to come out with a white paper on SEZs. Addressing a press conference, Dr Willy said, Goa is too small a State and cannot afford to provide huge tracts of land for SEZs. [H] Amona impasse continues BICHOLIM: The indefinite agitation by the villagers of Amona, Navelim, Sonshi, Kudne, Falwadi, Pissurlem and Chiknem under the banner of Amona Bachao Andolan and Panchkruti Nagarik Samiti against mining pollution continued on the fourth day yesterday. Neither the government nor the mining companies have managed to arrive at any solution. [GT] Goa Movement Against SEZs sticks to deadline PANJIM: Calling the setting up of the sub-committee by the government as a 'delaying tactic', the Goa Movement Against SEZs has decided to stick to its deadline of November 20 served by its leaders on the government The convenor of the movement, Matanhy Saldanha, has demanded a judicial inquiry as to how a cabinet decision was taken to sanction SEZs without undertaking a proper study of this issue. [GT] Minister urges govt to take people into confidence MARGAO, Nov 16: Irrigation Minister Filipe Neri Rodrigues called upon the government to take all the people and groups into confidence on the question of environment, ecology, etc, while deciding on developmental projects. The peace in Goa is slowly being vitiated in recent times. Concerned people are taking to the path of agitation, he said. [H] Courtesy: Joel D'Souza. Daily Goa news Clips. 17 Nov. .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Go peacefully...... (a small correction needed)
Mogall Sebastiao-bab, If, perhaps, by the word confrere you refer to Fr. Pratap Naik sj who, like Fr. Antonio Pereira sj, once believed that the future of Konkani was in Devanagri, then the word pliable is NOT used by him to describe Fr. Antonio Pereira or Fr. Moreno de Souza sj. He believes that all THREE of them erred initially and TWO of them realised their folly while alive and accepted it. Fr. Antonio Pereira sj changed his mind seeing the reality. Fr. Pratap Naik sj has also witnessed first hand the unfolding of the backlash to the atempted imposition of Devanagri in neighbouring Karnataka. Perhaps, you and I will also see it closer home, sooner rather than later. A year back, would you imagine KBM conducting a seminar on Konkani writing in the Romi lipi or giving literary awards to Romi writers in Konkani? It is the reality today. We live today for a better tomorrow. Yesterday is dead and gone. Tell me if I am wrong. I have never run away from the truth. I have confidence that neither will you, although you may ignore it when inconvenient. Mog asundi. Miguel On Nov 17, 2007 8:35 PM, Sebastian Borges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mogall Miguel bab, Fr. Antonio Pereira was a prolific writer in Konkani (both scripts, but much more in Romi) as well as English. Among his works are two biographies of Msgr Dalgado in Konkani (Romi) and in English. The English one was published by the Sahitya Akademi. Fr. Pereira was also a staunch votary of the Devanagari script for Konkani; he was one of the ten signatories who unanimously recommended the Devanagari script to the Sahitya Akademi way back in 1982 when he was quite young and not senile. But he was posthumously branded as pliable by his own confrere. I am sure Fr. Pereira, who was forgiveness personified, has forgiven that confrere. Mog asum S. M. Borges On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mogall Sebastiao-bab, Dev borem korum. Thank you for bringing to light my oversight. I am grateful to you for that. I stand corrected. Indeed, the Fr. Antonio Pereira sj Award or Jezvit Anton Pirer Puroskar was instituted while this Sahitya Puroskar award winner [1973-74 and 1975-76] was still alive. I have confirmed this with Fr.Pratap Naik sj.. In fact, he called me up to tell me . I am grateful to both of you. Mog asundi. Miguel -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] DUBAI CHARITY CUP 2008
And now the scam moves to Goa!! Goans beware. Wouldnt the money be better utilized by the Tivim Care home? instead of big prize money ??? Maybe the organizers team is destined to win On Nov 15, 2007 8:35 AM, BONNIE FERNANDES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DUBAI CHARITY CUP 2008 (Invitational All Goa 10-a-Side Football Tournament) The love of sports has brought together people of all nationalities, creed, caste and colour. Football the most poplar sport in the world attracts the attention of the young and old. FESTA Entertainments are organizing the Dubai Charity Cup 2008 an invitational all Goa football tournament, which will be held at Candolim sports club grounds in Bardez Goa. The inaugural match of the grand event will be on 6th Jan 2008 and the finals will be held on 13th Jan 2008. The top Goan teams are invited for the grand event. The tournament is held in aid of ASRO Tivim Care home for children with HIV (Special Needs). Cash Trophies will be awarded to Champions Runner-ups; besides surprise prizes and for every match the man of the match award will be awarded a cash prize of Rs.1000/- while the housie prize for every game will be cash of Rs 2000/- the housie prize will be Rs. 5000/- and man of the match for finals will be cash prize will be Rs. 3000/- And for the finals the cash prize for Champions is Rs 50,000/- while the Runner-ups will get Rs. 25,000/- After the finals there will be a reception for all the team players and their families. The main sponsor of the tournament is Mr. DARBAS and Cosponsored by Mr. Nelson of Vanxim Divar Dubai, Bonnie Fernandes Chief organizer 00971 50 8488096 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] : Burps by adults in public places are not considered civilised.
: There is no problem in our dear Rajan Narayan, enjoying the largesse of Digambar-bab and others closely associated with him, or his gratitude to them for their pecuniary him and them. There is no problem in him painting a snowy picture of Secular Shridhar at the CM's official residence earlier this week. However, his comments in Stray Thoughts [GO 17-23 Nov., 2007] on the rest of the Core Group of the Goa Bachao Abhiyan ...and seeing them as saffron ... are totally uncalled for, even if he should suffer from some incurable jaundice. Patricia Pinto, Annand Madgaokar, Soter De Souza, Ritu Prasad and Leroy Veloso were part of the GBA delegation that went with Dr. Oscar Rebello to the CM's residence on Monday to protest against the withdrawal of both, the FIR against hill cutting and the Stop Work order. [I could not make it as I had a prior appointment to discuss the revival of agriculture with Parish Priests of Tiswadi taluka at Chorao at the same time.] So which of us in the GBA are really saffronites? Having worked in the Goa Administration for fifteen long years has taught me that no Government employee will take uncalculated risks on major fraudulent decisions without the backing of a political mentor. Even generous amounts of inputs will not tempt one to take such grave risks of public exposure. So who exactly do you believe is the political mentor of Morad Ahmad, the CTP of TCP who turned the Aldeia de Goa hill cutting case from a FIR to a RIP and turned the project back to the future? The usual suspect is not even in the current Government, leave alone being Minister for TCP . a portfolio held by the CM himself. Will the CTP be placed under suspension pending enquiry or will the STP-North Goa fit the bill? If not, why? Is it saffron to ask for action against the minorities? Will it expose the butt of those guys who claim aplench tambddem ? There is apparently an administrative STOP WORK order again. Is the FIR against the allegedly illegal hill cutting also back in place at the Agacaim Police Station? In Goa of yesteryears, gratitude for a good meal was traditionally expressed by a good belch or burp and hence the expression Borem kharllam tezo denkh kaddta. Is 'Rajan showing his gratitude for the lavish present at his 60 birthday now ... on the 4th birthday of Goan Observer? Tum sogllea mukar denkhor kaddtai re, baba Rajan? In the westernised culture we have since adopted, along with the English language in which the GO is published, it is considered indecent for adults to burp in public. Are we returning to amil, pez ani denkh ... with the advent of Aldeia de Goa and SEZ? Mog asundi. Miguel -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Go peacefully...... (a small correction needed)
Mogall Miguel bab, Fr. Antonio Pereira was a prolific writer in Konkani (both scripts, but much more in Romi) as well as English. Among his works are two biographies of Msgr Dalgado in Konkani (Romi) and in English. The English one was published by the Sahitya Akademi. It is the same Msgr Dalgado who wrote for Portuguese readership, at a time when there was no Konkani readership worth the name (just as you presently write for English readership, at a time when the readership for Konkani in Roman script is tremendous). Like the late Fr. Moreno de Souza, Fr. Pereira was also a staunch votary of the Devanagari script for Konkani; he was one of the ten signatories who unanimously recommended the Devanagari script to the Sahitya Akademi way back in 1982 when he was quite young and not senile. In fact, he never became senile; his sharp intellect remained intact till the end, the paralytic stroke notwithstanding. But he was posthumously branded as pliable by his own confrere. I am sure Fr. Pereira, who was forgiveness personified, has forgiven that confrere. Mog asum S. M. Borges On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mogall Sebastiao-bab, Dev borem korum. Thank you for bringing to light my oversight. I am grateful to you for that. I stand corrected. Indeed, the Fr. Antonio Pereira sj Award or Jezvit Anton Pirer Puroskar was instituted while this Sahitya Puroskar award winner [1973-74 and 1975-76] was still alive. I have confirmed this with Fr.Pratap Naik sj.. In fact, he called me up to tell me . I am grateful to both of you. It is a pleasant surprise to find awards insitituted when a person is still alive. I hope more persons will walk in the footsteps of Fr. Antonio Pereira sj and honour people who shine in the same field as they have chosen for themselves or one of their choice. It is a pity that Dr. Jack Sequeira is being honoured so many years after his death ...and many others are still to be recognised for their contribution to Goa as we know it today. Mog asundi. Miguel Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Answer for Floriano
Dear floriano: my question was directed to those people who claim that the BJP ideology is flawed because it has been rejected by goans..thay argue that if parrikar is so good why doesnt he get a majority? wilma cedric and some others even claim that parrikar, who incidentally has won 4 times in a row, should drown himself because he is shameless..because his party lost the election... i just wantd to know if that logic of theirs applies to all parties including yours and the CPI which has been losing its deposits for ages nowor is it only applicable to BJP.. that question remains unanswered to answer your question : NO..one cant rehject a baby because it hasnt grown its legs yet...but if it talks enlessly of being an olympic 100 mts champion even before it has learnt to walk, let alone run then people would regard that as nonsensical :-) regards B Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet] Konknni Talkies : the Tom Bhembre Sho
On Nov 17, 2007 8:52 PM, Sebastian Borges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mogall Miguel bab, All said and done, the two of us seem to share a few characteristics. I too do not want awards ( as if I were eligible for any!). I have never taken any subsidies, nor do I need any. I do not like posts; but some are thrust upon you. And I too do not like a seat on the dais. Although I have been a teacher all my working life, and addressed a captive audience, I hate addressing a gathering during a function because it sounds so artificial, so self-aggrandizing. But when you tend to forcefully put forward what you feel is right about a certain issue, some people think you would be the best person for promoting the cause. So, I sometimes, reluctantly, end up on a dais. I certainly don't feel elated in such a situation. But we are one when it comes to the love of our mother-tongue. Yet we clash, most ferociously. I will discuss some other day why this happens. Suffice it for today to say that we are looking at the issue from two different angles. Mog asum. S. M. Borges On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mogall Sebastiao-bab, I will rest my case here. You can have the last word . Mog asundi. Miguel -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] Hunting for interior Goan land
To Goanet - I was in the talukas of Canacona and Sanguem today. We stopped at a small hotel for lunch in the village of Netravali (Neturlim) in Sanguem taluka. The owner told us that packs of bhaile are on the prowl for land in the area, that they have been on scouting trips alongwith their (Goan) brokers, making inquiring with, and pleas to, locals. Looks like Canacona is already sold out so the next head on the market is Sanguem. The race is on and the excitement is killing me. Who will knock out Goa first, the rich Indian viruses or the ghatis? Warm regards, r
[Goanet] to Jose Agnelo do Rosario Pinto -- Recheck facts on Diggu
Jose Agnelo do Rosario Pinto -- Recheck facts on Digamber Kamat J..i think you are very wrong in your judgements on Rajan Narayan and his Goan Observer...they have recently celebrated four years and have stood much strangulation by the BJP regime then and your so called Bamon leader of opposition himself. Goan Observer boasts of the higest readership in the weekly league and i would stand by it as they have in recent times been a very constructive media house. I suppose you understand the true meaning of the word unstable when it is applied to our CM...his instability speaks for itself and as much as people like yourself would like to believe otherwise...Goans know who holds the remote control...and who pulls the strings of the puppet show we see from time to time. I do not judge politicians on the basis of me liking them or hating them...everybody hates all the politicians in Goa..they are a sad lot... as we have seen their true colours in time. Ive had a personal experience or the taste of how Digamber Kamat used to play communial power games with the minorities at Margao, a fact that he and his cohorts cannot deny whatsoever. I understand from your writing that you are a pro bamonwell to read what you mentioned on the caste topic, i wish you are aware that the year is 2007 and we believe in equality and secularism...what are you on about Margao Brahmin...and that too margao...ask me about margao and i will tell u much more than you know about it as i was born and brought up there...my generations are from Margao and we have seen Margao in its old and new avtaar... I hope my friend Cornel d costa on holiday in Goa, should read your mail on Margao brahmin and meets you sometime as he was interested in knowing more about the margao brahminisn...which i am sorry to learn you believe. I would never boast about my caste as these r rantings of a sick mind in todays modern world. Your smart educated and visionary leaders are selling Goa...I am not against the congress but of their policy of running a government with pro saffron and communial leaders like Digamber Kamat... I have nothing to worry, nothing at all, and if i did i would not have had the b***s to write all this and fight for GOAthe worry comes for people like you and your types...who fail to forsee the ill effects of the way Goa is being ruled today and the evil designs of todays politicians... The politicians might romance you today and you might tango with them for the moment, because you love them so much for now...but alas, their fall from grace is imminent, as you yourself write the tenures of Goa's CMs are none too impressive and it is time the D day comes for your parton or bamon CM from Margao...also look at the future...imagine the plight of the next generation that will inherit Goa...is it not our duty to ensure that they inherit a Good Goa than a one that has lost its culture... I challenge anyone, who tells me that the current breed of 40 including the CM has any foresight for the betterment of Goa in the future...their policies and agendas do not go beyond the sunset of the day and the struggle to make the most while the sun shines on them and to ensure that they have safeguarded their backsides and their kodels till nightfall...if your so called good politicians are so true to themselves, why do they get scared of their own shadow...the way they behave specially the current CM , his balanced statements and body language -- it looks as if he is scared of his own shadow, that it may snatch his kodel(?) The only politician who showed some intelligence recently was, Porrikar to some extent! but i guess the excess baggage of the saffron culture and the close association with communially infected zealots was his downfall. I hope you see the broader picture, specially when it comes to Margao...i dread the day Margao town, is converted into a huge slum as the process initiated by your patron of immigrants from the monti dongor has slowly started trickling down... The timebomb is ticking... Dolle ugdun polle! Regards Cedric da Costa Dubai Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Goa Suraj May Outshine the Saffron Lotus
Goa Suraj May Outshine the Saffron Lotus Bandare, Going by the way the fortunes of your pet-party the BJP and its leaders in Goa are going... it is only time before it will be an extinct species in Goa's political history...the way its cousin -- the MGP is heading. I kid you not, like the story of the hare and the tortoise...the Goa suraj is gaining ground... A few elections down the line...Floriano may win more seats that your BJP and all its communial leaders put together... I forsee Goans realising that the Goasuraj is an alternative, provided Floriano doesn't make the mistake of aligning itself with communial elements like the BJP and corrupt elements like the Congress...the way UGDP did and is now almost an extinct party. Goans are waking up, slowly but surely...one needs sharp political insight to see what is coming in the future... Regards Cedric da Costa Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Selma 's sensationalism/to RKN
On 17/11/2007, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I'm one of those people who is unduly perturbed by issues of hygiene, sewage, sanitation, changing tables at airport restrooms etc. I cannot stand people defecating in public. Hmmm... it does sound very unusual and rare! Coming to think of it, Selma, I don't know many people like you. Do they still make them in our planet? FN
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Goa's vanishing landscape; where is conservation on Goa's agenda? (Bonny Fernandes)
GOA'S VANISHING LANDSCAPE: WHERE IS CONSERVATION ON GOA'S AGENDA? By Bonny Fernandes Former Chief Planner, Goverment of India Characterised as the Queen of the East, Goa, under 450 years of Portuguese rule remained a relatively laid-back colony of 6,00,000 inhabitants, who lived a susegado life. Today, forty six years after Liberation, Goa is rapidly transforming itself, from a feudal agrarian economy into a modern industrial state, and an acclaimed tourist destination of international fame. It has 13,00,000 inhabitants, of which over 600,000 or 50 per cent live in urban areas. It took 450 years for Goa's population to reach 600,000 with an urban population of 87,000 people. Whereas in a span of 46 years Goa's population more than doubled and the urban population increased seven folds during the same period. The number of towns and cities increased from 11 to 26. Soon after Goa was liberated, I had the opportunity of visiting Goa on several occasions in my official capacity as Town Country Planner with TCPQ, Government of India. During each visit, as I went around, I was enchanted with the picturesque landscape of the territory of Goa, which possessed rich and varied charms at different altitudes. The interior hilly region covered with rich green forests; the sub-mountainous region with undulating uplands and; the coastal plains, the most urbanized region of Goa, studded with coconut groves and lovely green paddy fields. Each exuded its own beauty. But the most picturesque region embraced the lower basins of the Mandovi and the Zuari rivers. Indeed, nature has endowed Goa with lush green vegetation and breathtaking scenery of the lofty Konkan Ghats, punctuated by the solitary majesty of the Dud Sagar waterfalls in the east. Tropical luxuriance and cool verdure of giant areca groves, pulsating with crystalline streams on the hillside and the peaceful riverine beauty of the serenely flowing Mandovi and Zuari in the plains, emptying into the Arabian sea, among the tall coconut fronds screening the clouds of Goa's golden shores in the west, and its variegated urban landscape dotted with churches, temples and mosques, with their own architectural design and character, quite different from those of any other part of India. Alas! During my recent visits, I find Goa's magnificent landscape rapidly vanishing, obliterated by haphazard urban expansion and unimaginative real-estate development. Development, be it for residential or commercial purpose, has occurred in an unplanned manner, resulting in loss of good agricultural land in the environs of the cities of Panjim, Mapusa, Margao and Vasco-de-Gama, and most of all it has led to the defacement of natural landscape. The present concentration of urban population in the Talukas (sub-districts) of Tiswadi, Bardez, Salcette and Murmagao, classified as Old Conquest Areas is a consequence of the earlier occupation of these 'Concellos' by the Portuguese, who by and large concentrated their development efforts in Panjim, Margao, Mapusa and Vasco-de-Gama. While the remaining seven Talukas -- the new conquest areas -- were neglected. At that time there was hardly any population pressure as compared to what is now. Rapid urbanization in Goa in the aftermath of liberation has put pressure on the cities of Panjim, Mapusa, Margao, and Vasco, which are sprawling to the extent of degrading the natural landscape and usurping fertile agricultural land, while the emerging built-form of these cities is eroding the urbanity. Many of the qualities which Goa's cities of Panjim, Margao, Mapusa and Vasco possessed once upon a time are now being eroded. While these cities are expanding spatially and quantitatively as never before, their quality of urbanity is diminishing dangerously. Whether resulting from planned or organic growth, these cities inherited from the Portuguese rulers had a character and local identity, which lent to their imageability. Today, Goa's cities are in crises. Once great centres of civic life have now turned into urban jungles, where the profiteers and motor vehicles rule. An entirely new environment is being created, which presents problems of cultural and environmental degradation. The problem of cultural incongruity has manifested itself most dramatically in the built-form of the cities and their environs. They are alien to the cultural experience of the Goans. Unfortunately, the conscious aesthetic discernment, the ability to recognize the ugly and the beautiful is not a common quality. Inhabitants of the cities have been pushed into living among surroundings in which beauty has little or no place. In the past, socio-cultural and climatic factors were strong determinants of built-form, today market forces are shaping the built-form of the urban
[Goanet] Societal carelessness in our homeland
Radhakrishnan Nair rknair15 at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 22:42:25 PST 2007 wrote: From a post titled [Goanet] Selma's sensationalism Fred to Selma: What you're used to in the West would probably not be attained even in our dreams here. Don't be so diffident, Fred. Since when have the Westerners become so conscious of hygiene? In the 18th and 19th centuries American farms were malodorous pigsties. Indeed, in the early days of the railways in Britain, even Her Majesty the Queen on her journeys to Wales and Scotland went into the bushes abutting the tracks with a tumbler of water and reams of toilet tissues in hand to unload her royal bowels! Mario asks: I don't know about Fred's dreams, but I would like to see someone in leadership positions and educators and journalists like Fred wake up from dreaming and begin to publicize the societal carelessness in India. To begin with, I'm not sure why RKN is comparing Westerners in the 18th and 19th centuries with Indians today? Did India somehow skip the 18th and 19th centuries? Oh, right! The Brits were in charge. And, where did RKN learn that there is no difference between an American farm and an American pigsty, either in previous centuries or today? There have always been farms with and without pigstys, and one can tell the difference with your nose - even today. RKN's knowledge of the sanitary habits of ancient Westerners, including British Royals, while quite remarkable in its perspicacity and attention to detail, may be far more information than we needed to know:-)) A generation ago, the Brits were still working on bathing more than once a week, and I may be exaggerating on the high side here to avoid the inevitable brickbats from our irritable British menbers. Calm down, guys. That was then. I'm sure you all bathe every day now :-)) Radhakrishnan Nair wrote: But then it's always easy to poke fun at the poor and the defenceless -- as if they are doing it for fun and not because they're being exploited and left to their own devices without even basic amenities. Mario observes: I'm afraid the careless sanitary habits of many Indians extends far beyond the poor who may have no choice. When in India one needs to be constantly on guard for the spitball missiles are launched willy nilly from any and everywhere, including expensive automobiles waiting at traffic lights, where the missile launchers could hardly be classified as poor. When the airconditioned Volvo busses from Mumbai to Pune stop at Khopoli for a bladder-break, about half the male passengers, hardly poor, head for the adjoining bushes when there is a clearly marked public toilet in full view. I have watched the poor in several Latin American countries. They all use the public toilets when they don't have toilets of their own. Have you ever noticed the societal carelessness on Indian roads? Somehow, perfectly sane Indians, none of them poor, turn into raving maniacs the minute the car door shuts behind them, then turn perfectly sane again as soon as they exit the parked vehicle. I'm sure you've noticed that most Indians, even the poor ones, tend to keep their personal abode as clean as they are able to, but the adjoining public spaces seem to be free fire zones for whatever kacchra needs to be discarded. Arre, challega, yaar! Bharat mata, zindabad! Hey, and I say this as an ex-Indian who is tremendously proud of what India has achieved since liberalization - the euphemism used for discarding mindless and extreme socialism - but if India wants to rise to the next level to true superpower status, they need to work on these personal habits, without drawing inappropriate comparisons to 18th and 19th century British Royals and American pigsties. Another dirty little Indian secret identified in an article in Silicon India Magazine recently: tax evasion. Apparently, in 2005, only 39 million tax returns were filed in India. One doesn't need acute analytical skills to know what that means. Apparently, the only ones that pay taxes relatively honestly in India are those whose salaries are taxed at the source, and those who receive interest and dividends where income taxes are withheld at the source. Can we say, Kala paisa, zindabad?
[Goanet] Goa news for November 18, 2007
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** IFFI not to be shifted outside Goa: Film fest directorate - Hindu [10 hours ago] Every state wants to have IFFI in their place but there is no proposal to shift it from Goa, Director of the film festival Neelam Kapoor said, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200711171965.htmcid=1123489676ei=ioc_R9f0LYPCqgOdvZW5Dg *** Goa participates in India International Trade Fair - Navhind Times [Nov 16, 2007] The chairman of Goa IndustrialDevelopment Corporation, Mr Chandrakant Kavlekar was also present at the inaugural function. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=11174cid=1123695878ei=ioc_R9f0LYPCqgOdvZW5Dg *** Hyderabad crushes Goa - Hindu [Nov 15, 2007] THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Hyderabad crushed Goa by an innings and 69 runs in the South Zone Polly Umrigar Trophy under-15 cricket tournament at the Agriculture ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/16/stories/2007111663212200.htmcid=1123635449ei=ioc_R9f0LYPCqgOdvZW5Dg *** Goa to offer incentives to hospitality players - TravelBizMonitor [14 hours ago] By Mayuresh Pawar http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/articleDetails.aspx?id=1515sectionid=16name=Hospitalitycid=1123730768ei=ioc_R9f0LYPCqgOdvZW5Dg *** Goa govt\'s website hacked - Times of India [7 hours ago] PANAJI: Goa government's Information and Publicity Department's official website has allegedly been hacked by a Turkish hacker, who has posted anti-America ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa_govts_website_hacked/articleshow/2548982.cmscid=1123757271ei=ioc_R9f0LYPCqgOdvZW5Dg *** Goa govt. urges disaster authorites to set up centre in state - Hindu [13 hours ago] Panaji (PTI): The Goa government has asked National Disaster Management Authority to set up its centre in the coastal state, for it is ative to disasters. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200711171550.htmcid=1123746920ei=ioc_R9f0LYPCqgOdvZW5Dg *** Sanjay Dutt in Goa - Rediff [Nov 15, 2007] Reader Laveen Ajwani ran into Sanjay Dutt [Images] at a temple in Goa [Images] recently. The mechanical engineer, who lives in Bangalore, took this picture ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://inhome.rediff.com/movies/2007/nov/15celeb.htmcid=1123686943ei=ioc_R9f0LYPCqgOdvZW5Dg *** Property in Goa: Heaven on hold as Goa awaits its fate - Telegraph.co.uk [Nov 16, 2007] Ginetta Vedrickas investigates The British love affair with Goa is easy to understand. In contrast to the frenetic pace of most of India, a languid calm ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml?xml=/property/2007/11/17/opgoa117.xmlcid=0ei=ioc_R9f0LYPCqgOdvZW5Dg *** Pao, pui or ruin? - Times of India [5 hours ago] Two of my favourite reasons for going to Goa, where Bunny and i were last week, are pao and pui. Pao and pui are two varieties of Goan bread, real bread, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Columnists/Pao_pui_or_ruin/articleshow/2549020.cmscid=0ei=ioc_R9f0LYPCqgOdvZW5Dg *** PDM Entertainment to hold Sunburn Festival in Goa - Screen Weekly [Nov 16, 2007] Sunburn Festival, Goa 2007 is a unique entertainment property conceptualised elevating the Indian Entertainment Industry to a Global Platform . ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=17898cid=0ei=ioc_R9f0LYPCqgOdvZW5Dg Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] Selma 's sensationalism (RKN)
On 16/11/2007, Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr JC as usual,. can never engage in a converstion with me, either public or private, without raking up some Nair history and assorted humbug. jc's response: 1: Thank you GMail for storing the MANY episodes of conversation between jc and rkn which do not mention the awful Nair suppression of lower caste women in Kerala. 2: I can understand RKN's confusion or selective memory. For quite some time, RKN thought that JC was Bernado Colaco! Ew! 3: But let us not worry about JC I ask...Is it OK for RKN to refer to the past when discussing the present (wrt Westerm Toilet habits) but not OK for C to remind RKN about the ridiculous nature of his comparing by refering to the Mair oppression of lower caste women ? jc
[Goanet] Save Goa, CM-ji: HERALD(Goa), Nov 18, 2007
SAVE GOA, CM-ji By Valmiki Faleiro Goa ails from an aching heart. Goa’s heart – geographic, spiritual and cultural – is Antruz, today’s Ponda taluka. Ponda is in peril. But, before that, a bit on why I describe Ponda so. Ponda is the repository of our ancient deities. It is Goa’s foremost temple taluka, which cradled her ancient, and mercifully still extant, spiritual and social mores. Here’s a brief primer. The Portuguese, after liberating Goa from the Muslims in 1510, themselves unleashed a wave of religious persecution beginning 1541. Ponda, like other of Goa’s hinterland talukas, was held variously by the Sultanate of Bijapur and the Hindus of Soundem, often as feudatories of the Sultans. Temples were razed; idols of the village god (Gram Devta) and family clan gods (Kul Devtas) were taken, mostly, to the haven of Ponda – in camouflage, or on the head in the dead of the night. Here’s a brief list of the principal Salcete deities shifted to Ponda (remember Salcete included present day Mormugao, which was detached into a separate taluka only in the late 19th Century, for better administration of the Mormugao port, then being modernized together with the rail link to British India): Bhageshwar from Arossim to Talauli, Betal from Betalbatim to Kavlem, Bhairav and Kamaxi from Camorlim to Bandora and Shiroda resp., Mahalaxmi and Ravalnath from Colva to Bandora and Talauli resp., Manguesh from Cortalim to Mangueshi (Priol), Ramnath and Vamanishwar from Loutulim to Ramnathi (Bandora) and Dhavali resp., Santeri (Shantadurga) from Quelossim to Kavlem, Mahadev and Ishwar from Racaim to Agapur and Kavlem resp., Kamaxi from Raia to Shiroda, Santeri and Laxmi- Narayana from Sancoale to Veling and, the most feared, from Salcete’s most beautiful temple, Mahalsa, from old Verna to new Mardol (Priol.) Ponda is not the only one in peril. Several areas of Goa similarly face the ‘Parashu’ (axe, in Sanskrit.) Like Nagoa-Verna, the village of twice born “Nagas,” priestly Padye Bhats, said to have been settled there by the axe-wielding god, Parashuram himself. Nagvenkars were later delivered from the harassment of Garuda, the evil eagle god, by no less than Lord Shankar and his wife Uma. (Ah, how I love Goa’s lore!) Keri-Ponda, Nagoa-Verna, and other parts of Goa are in peril. When so many organs of the body face danger, can the body itself survive? Minuscule Goa is imperiled by 18 behemoths called Special Economic Zones (SEZs.) Land requirement details of 15 were ferreted out by journo Fred Noronha: 54,30,160 sq. metres. What’s more, almost all this land is on plateaux … Keri-Ponda, Nagoa- Verna, Sancoale, Socorro, Colvale and Quitol-Betul. Plateaux are a crucial component of the eco-system. Among other things, they are a natural rainwater harvesting system, the aquifers, that recharge springs and ground water. Destruction of plateaux will not only play havoc with springs and ground water but, in the event of toxic industrial effluents seeping into the ground, contaminate and kill the villages below. SEZs spell potential disaster for all surrounding villages below the plateaux. A disaster that would engulf the local populace, ruin local natural sources like land and water, and upturn the demographic profile of Goa. So, what are SEZs? They are designed as industrial engines (without a heart, of course!) meant to catalyze development in undeveloped and barren areas of India. SEZs have been granted a host of incentives, like exemption from taxes and laws. They could be dubbed ‘Industrial Republics,’ free from local taxes and pesky local governments. Goa’s geographic and demographic size does not lend itself to the very idea of SEZs. These may be OK for those states of India where an average district is three times the size of Goa. CM-ji, you, a professed religious man, preside, however unwittingly, over the ‘gifting’ (@ Rs.80/m2 !) of vast tracks of lil’le Goa’s land to an entity over which your own government will have little control. Do remember that the land was snatched from Goans under the Land Acquisition Act. Lands in Goa were held in the name of the village deity, in common, under the institution of the ‘Gaunkari’ renamed ‘Comunidade’ by the Portuguese. Please save Goa from the SEZs. Scrap them all. I know it is easier said. I know you carry unwanted baggage – SEZs, PPP, Casinos … what have you – a bequest inherited from your onetime patron, Pratapsing Rane. But, you are Goa’s CEO. I know you bear the good of Goa, and her gods, at heart. Also remember many Goans arrived here from Bengal. SEZs commove. Don’t let another Nandigram happen here. (ENDS) The Valmiki Faleiro weekly column at: http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=330 == The above article appeared in the November 18, 2007 edition of the Herald, Goa
[Goanet] This day, last year… Goa learnt to s hed fear
Last year, on 18th November, 2006, the Corporation of the City of Panaji and their workers began mowing down three old tress, under the guise of road widening and beautification near Madhuban Complex in Tambdi Mati, St Inez. The same CCP had resolved that “no tress would be cut without taking NGOs into confidence.” When Patricia Pinto, Secretary of People’s Movement for Civic Action and Advocate Satish Sonak of Goa Peoples’ Forum questioned Mayor Tony Rodrigues and TCP Minister, Babush Monserrate’s move to go ahead with the tree cutting without taking NGOs into confidence, instead of getting a reply, they were arrested by the police under Section 151 of CrPc. They were released unconditionally at 2.45 pm, much after the hacking work on the three trees was complete. Pictures of a defiant Patricia standing beside the trees were flashed on the newspapers on the next day and the collective conscience of Goa was awakened. Over the next few weeks, the Goa Bachao Abhiyan was formed to give voice to the growing indignation and resentment. Seeing the awakening in the villages of Goa, my pencil sketched my tribute to the two sincere activists whose courage inspired all of us…. THANK YOU SATISH PATRICIA Thank you Satish Patricia, you are the bright blaze that uncovered our shifty eyes and cleared our lame daze! We shed only teeming tears We hid behind our selfish fears Refusing to take on the threatening might Running away from the righteous fight! The police came without fail And send the saviours off to jail. But then something happened to me … my mirror reflected the cut tree! Keep going Satish Patricia, you are the igniting flame that dispelled the darkness and exposed the dangerous game! The aggressors had to be tackled… their greed had to be humbled… The Goans now began to talk and dawned the urgency to walk We must save the Goan identity where Mother Nature lives with dignity. We want the real Goa and not a fairy tale Don’t you dare put up my motherland up for sale! Thank you Satish Patricia, you are the motivational flare that lit up our spirits and reminded us how to dare! We must also gather our guts To take head on the two-faced nuts Let’s challenge every deceitful argument That speaks for fallacious development It isn’t just about saving our land Or the forests, mangroves and sand It is about saving our future generation From the necropolis of misplaced progression. Rest assured Satish Patricia, you are no longer the lonely embers, from Odxel, Saleli, Sulcorna and everywhere, Goa is showing the numbers! No money and no muscle can deter The Goan who has cast off his fear It is after all, the fight for true freedom From the insatiable rulers’ fiefdom. The people are awake and aware The rude rulers have to beware You are out to abuse our mother And expect us not to bother? Smile Satish Patricia, we have thrown away our pretexts 'Save Goa' is no longer just another spoken concept! Pravin Sabnis (December 2006) Pravin K. Sabnis visit: www.unlearningunlimited .blogspot.com www.poems-pravinsabnis.blogspot.com www.monday-muse.blogspot.com Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php
[Goanet] Beware the snakes in your midst
Shridhar Kamat's behavior the other day during the GBA group's meeting with Digu was perplexing. The colour of his nose had acquired a brownish sheen presumably from all the hard work he had been doing at Digu's official pad since the morning to save Goa. I wouldn't trust the fellow and hope the GBA tells him to get lost. This shouldn't be a drawn out back room political drama. A simple request informing him that he is being cut loose will do. These fellows have the DNA for survival in the gutter but they are not half as clever as they imagine themselves to be. Shridhar Kamat can go back to polishing Datta Naik's family jewels. Warm regards, r
[Goanet] J Colacos suggestions and Bhandare's response --
Barad, isnt it time we quit calling sonia gandhi an italian doll...guess she is an indian citizen and a daughter in law of india...an accepted bahu as per the indian parampara... If you cant accpet sonia's citizenship, then will you call all Goans born during portuguese era...what? \ how many of your BJP leaders would have sacrificed the PMs post the way she did? Yet a shameless nation dares to call her italian? time we thought broadly Mr Barad and u have a DR against your name? Cedric da Costa Dubai Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Joe Melo- Bhandare.
She had introduced herself as Suneela Muzzafar, a Dubai based news reporter. Then, as now, she utilized an uncommon style of witty prose, to inform as well as to make a point, and one read into the probing mind of a young go-getter. Alas, she would disappear, only to emerge again as an angry 'Halur Rasho', her quiver always full, arrows always on the ready. I missed her, just the same, during a two year truce, but she is back with a vengeance: i do feel her pain, she is one of us, afterall. Roland caught a whiff of chicken xacutti and more, and if he is right, then help is available to ameliorate the bipolar syndrome that is not a worthy companion to anyone, no matter how he or she chooses to worship. eric. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[Goanet] The creeping urbanisation of Goa
Reading various posts on the subject it is evident that land prices are being driven beyond the reach of the Goan. The occassional guilt laden patriotic Goan developer claims he prefers selling only to Goans, usually non resident. However what is the guarantee that the non resident Goan will not cash in after a couple of months when faced with a tempting offer from a non Goan buyer? It is indeed hard to loose ones patrimony whether natural or man-made. The reality is that nothing other than street protests can delay the onset of Goa's inevitable urbanisation (mildest term for the current land grab). From every indication it is only to be expected that a lot of money has changed hands to denotify and convert land for commercial use. If the politicians do not deliver on their oral promise the investors will be compelled to put contract killers on the job to get their revenge. We know how easy it is to get a truck to run into a ministers car on the highway and over the past few years many major politicians have met their end this way.
[Goanet] Sands of time
Sands of time EXPRESS FEATURES SERVICE Posted online: Friday , November 16, 2007 at 12:00:00 Updated: Friday , November 16, 2007 at 02:22:37 Print Email To Editor Post Comments After holidaying in Goa over 30 times, I would think the excitement it elicits would be in moderation by now. Somehow, it never is. The very thought of spending time in Goa makes me inordinately happy. Being a self-confessed beach junkie, I have been lucky to travel to some of the most spectacular beaches in the world. While the Maldives is heaven on earth and the south of France incomparable, it's still Goa that I voluntarily spend every New Year's Eve in. I often wonder what it is that I am so attached to. I was brought up by a Goan lady called Mary. I wasn't quite sure if she loved her cashew feni and beedis more than me but after seeing her rock my daughter to sleep at the age of 76, I had my answer. At the age of four, when learning the alphabet, I got a star on my yellow T-shirt for answering x for Xacutti! I went with her every Christmas Eve to church for midnight mass. And it was probably out of respect for her that I wept uncontrollably while watching The Passion of Christ. Not only did she make sure that I knew my balchao from a sorpotel but also insisted that I slept beneath a handmade cross to protect me. I was barely 16 the first time I went to Goa. It was after completing the dreaded ICSE exams, and along with three girlfriends, I landed up at the Taj Aguada. We did what most teenagers would do; sensibly all that we were not supposed to but reasoned that we were meant to in Goa. I remember when Goa was untouched by city commercialism. The drive from the airport was beautiful and lush. Quaint old Portuguese homes, with smiling Goan children playing outdoors. The Taj had a monopoly and restaurants served Goan food. O Coquero was in the city and became famous when Charles Sobhraj got arrested there. St Anthony's at Baga was another institution on the beach and it was here that people came as much for the food as to watch Shashi Kapoor. Today, the roads boast of restaurants serving every conceivable cuisine, boutique hotels (Nilaya was the original and remains the best), massage spas, condominiums, supermarkets, nike crocs, Café Coffee day, Malini Ramani and, of course, Kingfisher Villa with its huge imposing gates. (Sunita Pitamber was the first to take a house in Goa, and there were no doors in it then). There was a time when shopping meant heading out to Anjuna beach, to its flea market. With a discerning eye, I have managed to pick up some spectacular pieces of jewellery and extremely avant-garde clothes. Today, all that you get at the flea markets are bangles from Bhuleshwar. Hippie chic has been replaced by polyester salwar kameez, original tattoos by henna ones, and trance with dandiya. All said and done, like Mary, there's something about Goa. http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Sands-of-time/239834/1/ -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] Macacas! And comparative health care systems
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:43:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario, This is the first time I have seen anyone use an exclamation mark with Macacas. And that too at the beginning of a sentence. In your never humble opinion, is the word Macacas a derogatory term in the US or is it one of endearment? I do not have the time to read any article when I do not understand the title. Mario responds: Because I don't want you to miss any of the articles or the incisive comments that accompanied these I will be glad to explain the title to you. To begin with, you may have not looked at the post you are referring to very closely. If you had you would have seen that the word Macacas! has not been used in my post in any way other than in the subject line. Now, how did it get there? It got into the subject line from being the subject of the posts that you and Cornel had exchanged previously, that I was then responding to. The name of the subject that you and Cornel used was, Macacas ! I noticed that your post and Cornel's had a space between the last letter and the exclamation mark, which I took to be a typo, so I deleted the space in my response because the extraneous space looked silly. Since both you and Cornel had posted comments under the subject Macacas ! I cannot understand how you could say, as you have done above, This is the first time I have seen anyone use an exclamation mark with Macacas. Because you and Cornel had used Macacas ! as your subject, complete with exclamation mark, I left it in so that others could make the connection with the post I was responding to. Then I added the following: And comparative health care systems. This made my entire subject as follows: [Goanet] Macacas! And comparative health care systems So, my exclamation mark was just as you and Cornel had had it, other than the unnecessary space that I deleted as mentioned previously. Furthermore, if you look at the entire subject line more closely, you will clearly see that the exclamation mark was at the end of the word Macacas and did not start the sentence that was the second part of my subject, since there was a space in between. Surely you are not suggesting that a word that ends with an exclamation mark cannot be followed by a sentence? As to your question, the word Macacas IS a derogatory term in the US, which is why I was quite surprised to see that you and Cornel had both used it. I will chalk that up to your unfamiliarity with derogatory American terms since both Cornel and you are not known for making derogatory remarks :-)) However, as I explained above, I left it in to provide continuity between your comments and mine, little realizing that you would question the use of a word that both you and Cornel had already used previously. I hope this explanation will encourage you to re-read my very fair and balanced post on comparative health care systems, including the linked articles that I included as independent references. In it I tried to put some perspective on the subject of the allegedly wonderful nationalized health care systems in Canada, Britain and the communist haven of Cuba, and the supposedly disgraceful health care system in the US, which has the nerve to keep tax rates low and makes most people pay exhorbitant prices for their health care with their own money. I concluded that there were advantages and disadvantages to both nationalized systems and systems that are privately paid for. A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx. - paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
