Re: [Goanet] Dalits' Plight (Kevin)
On Jan 21, 2008 8:21 AM, J. Colaco < jc> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > please provide proof that Fr. Ivo (or the Church) > is 'keen on promoting casteism WITHIN the Church'? What would you call fighting for the rights of "Christian Dalits" who knew full well that they were giving up their rights to reserved status when they converted (or maybe that was glossed over in their catechism classes). > May I also ask you the following: Is the Statutory (Indian) > designation of SC/ST an instrument of caste-discrimination ... one that is being misused and abused like the those on other continents. Instead of reserving quotas for oppressed peoples, give them the tools to rise on their own merits which will take a few generations (and a good christian education ;-) ... Trying to do it overnight with special quotas is counter-productive and creates tensions with bonafide applicants. Land is no longer a measure of status. > subjugated them and took away their land. > What "freedom" are you referring to? One that exists without > opportunity to earn a better living and removes the ability to apply > for help in the quest for upward mobility? Self help and a secular education (which is now freely available to all) is the best route to upward mobility. Depending on hand-outs and special status delays that "freedom". good wishes, Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. -- http://2008goanconvention.com
[Goanet] "Religion Not the Crying Need of India"
I have always respected Swami Vivekananda's wisdom, although I was never convinced by his allegorical justifications of his religious convictions. But he was in many respects a very pragmatic man, and knew very well the limits of all airy metaphysical and spiritual treatments. That is what I found appealing about him. While reading about the recent controversy regarding religious conversions, and witnessing the regular parochial sermons and discourses on Goanet, I remembered that Vivekananda had very strong arguments against proselytization in India, and had criticized those who did it in his time. Last week I was able to find his speech delivered in America, and reread that interesting criticism. Here is the relevant excerpt from his speech entitled "Religion Not the Crying Need of India". "Brethren of America, you erect churches all through India, but the crying evil in the East is not religion. They have religion enough, but it is bread that the suffering millions of burning India cry out for with parched throats. What they want is bread, but they are given a stone. It is an insult to a starving people to offer them religion; it is an insult to a starving man to teach him metaphysics. Therefore, if you wish to illustrate the meaning of "brotherhood," treat the Hindus more kindly, even though they are Hindus and are faithful to their religion. Send missionaries to them to teach them how better to earn a piece of bread and not to teach them metaphysical nonsense." --Swami Vivekananda Please see http://www.vivekananda.org/readings.asp Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] SITEWATCH: http://www.bayleafrestaurant.ca/
Jacinta Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "As a Goan living in Brampton, I would like to put the word out that I have just opened a restaurant out in Mississauga at the Meadwpine/Meadowvale area and can host parties like birthday ,annivesaries, communions etc up to 70 people could also have dancing. The name of my restaurant is Bay Leaf and am at 2400 Meadowpine Blvd #106. We cater as well and can cook food like Indian, Goan, Continental and Chinese.Please call me at 905-826-6437 or at home at 905-866-6487." Contacts: Mark Fernandes, Bay Leaf restaurant and Caterers, Ph.905-826-6437 Website http://www.bayleafrestaurant.ca -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 Links from Goa: http://goalinks.livejournal.com/
Re: [Goanet] Dalits' Plight (3)
Dear Kevin Saldanha, Glad to read your comment on my posting. I shall clarify points raised by you. Thanks! You wrote: <><> The following statement appears ambiguous "The Christian community is committed to social justice, to equality, to secularism." Maybe I'm misunderstanding your use of the term 'secularism' *All of us want justice to everyone, equality for the downtrodden brethren, equal rights for the people of all religions in our country. You wrote: > You appear to be keen on promoting casteism within the Church instead of working to eliminate it. Being new to this aspect of the discussion, I would hazard an opinion that the Church is fighting to retain SC/ST status for the new converts instead of trying to encourage them to embrace their new-found freedoms. * Whether we speak of 'castes' or ethnic groups, we should give basic human dignity to all. Human rights belong to every human being, whatever may be their 'caste' or group.The Church is fighting, yes--but the Dalits themselves are involved in this struggle--for their rights to have economic-social upliftment. They belong to the poor classes. The Goverment has to cater to them. The Church cannot replace the State. Therefore, because they belong to the Christian group, do not cease to be poor class. The non-Christian Dalits (Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs) belong to the same group. Why should they enjoy the privilege of reservations, and not the Christian Dalits (they do not cease to be regarded as such, because they are poor and are considered to be 'outcast'). The Bishops of India give the 'rationale' of this struggle: there is need of reservations for the Dalits, because there cannot be a competition among unequal partners. This is precisely a legitimate struggle for social equality, for human dignity, for secularism (same rights for the people of all religions). Why should only Christian Dalits (that is, Dalits converted to Christianity) be excluded from a privilege? The Catholic Church does not approve of 'casteist' discrimination, but she demands from the State to cater also to the Christian downtrodden groups (for the State it is Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes status). Further, you should remark that Dalits are regarded as 'outcastes', they do not belong to the Hindu 'castes'. They are tribals, aboriginals (adivasis turned into vanvasis), they are animists, they are of different ethnic groups, they do not belong to the Hindu religion, which has been imposed on them. They cannot even enter Hindu temples. Where is the problem of 'coming back home' to the Hindu fold, of 're-conversion'? Are these not 'conversions by force'? I often repeat what St.Paul was doing with the problem of slavery--he would not fight directly against slavery, but through Christian conscientization, as he tells Philemon to treat his slave Onesimus as a 'brother in the Lord' (v.16). If Dalits are treated as 'brethren in the Lord', baptized as 'children of God', where is the 'casteist' discrimination? It will disappear. Mother Teresa of Calcutta has shown us the way. She saw all the people, even those full of maggots, as her 'brethren in the Lord'. The Blessed Joseph Vaz did as follows: there were 'castes' among the Christian people in Ceylon (Sri Lanka). He told them to build their own churches (15) and chapels( 400), but he directed them to accept people from all 'castes' into the churches and chapels. We cannot fight directly, but through Gospel values. In some parts of Tamil Nadu and Kerala, this may be serious problem. As far as I know, there is not such a handicap in the churches, schools and hospitals of Goa. To drink from the same wells, to walk in the same road, to cast a shadow on the 'higher castes'...is not a problem. There are 'intercaste' marriages galore. The 'residue' of casteism in the Confrarias should disapear with the time. Fr.Ivo From: "Fr. Ivo da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Church has social responsibilities--she has to work for the interest of the poor. She is the voice of the voiceless. The Church would like to see that this unjust order is radically changed. The Christian community is committed to social justice, to equality, to secularism. This issue is not religious, it is a human rights problem. In the Mandal Commission Report, Prof.Madhu Dandavate stated that conversion from one faith to another did not change the socio-economic status of a person. It was, therefore, desirable that converts from Scheduled Castes/Tribes to Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism or Christianity should be treated equally as Scheduled Castes/Tribes. Any sort of discrimination is a murder of secularism and democracy, the two important pillars of the Indian Nation.
Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria of Religion
Dear Fr Ivo I may not agree with many things you explain about the existence (or not) of |God but I| really do enjoy the intensity and fervour in your writings. Thank you ever so much. I cannot keep up too well with the huge number of Goanet posts but recall what you said about caste and the Catholic Church. It was a relief to hear a Goan priest expressing some views about this evil called caste and how the Catholic Church in Goa addressed some of the issues differently from the Church in other parts of India. It drew one interesting observation from Kevin but inevitably, your explanations invariable arouse more questions from me and I have one for now please. How come, to the best of my knowledge, the Catholic Church via the Bishop in Goa has never said that caste was wrong and that Hindu caste was entirely incompatible with Roman Catholicism in terms of belief, and also that there is no caste in Roman Catholicism? Kind regards Cornel Kind regards Cornel "Fr. Ivo da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Cornel, Thank you for you question about God. Like you, I have experienced an atmosphere of faith. Then studies led me to deepen this problem, rather this mystery.
[Goanet] Goa news for January 22, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Cong mops up majority in Goa sans allies - Economic Times [2 hours ago] NEW DELHI: Within days after the Digambar Kamat government in Goa survived a toppling bid by the NCP rebels and some independent MLAs, the Congress central ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Cong_mops_up_majority_in_Goa_sans_allies/articleshow/2719597.cms&cid=1126416463&ei=CzmVR9TEEJOaqwPfkN31CA *** Goa SEZ issue referred to law ministry - Business Standard [5 hours ago] The commerce ministry has asked the law ministry to give its views on the request by the Goa government to de-notify three special economic zones (SEZs) in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?autono=311337&leftnm=3&subLeft=0&chkFlg=&cid=1126688529&ei=CzmVR9TEEJOaqwPfkN31CA *** Goa SEZs on legal terrain; BoA gives in-principle approval to RIL - Economic Times [5 hours ago] In the case of the three formally-approved SEZs in Goa, the Centre has sought the view of the law ministry. The Goa government does not want any SEZs in the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/Goa_SEZs_on_legal_terrain_BoA_gives_in-principle_approval_to_RIL/articleshow/2719239.cms&cid=1126681662&ei=CzmVR9TEEJOaqwPfkN31CA *** All Systems Goa! - OhmyNews International [4 hours ago] The state of Goa, a former Portuguese colony, is one such place where they say fish, feni (a local liquor) and football are a craze among the locals, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?no=381519&rel_no=1&cid=112832&ei=CzmVR9TEEJOaqwPfkN31CA *** Goa\'s complete online news edition - Monday, January 21, 2008 - Herald Publications [20 hours ago] Business tycoon Anil Ambani (middle), an avid marathon runner, on the move along with several others at the Mumbai marathon on Sunday. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7436&cid=1&cid=0&ei=CzmVR9TEEJOaqwPfkN31CA *** Kenilworth, Goa to add 16 luxury villas by Oct 2008 - HospitalityBizIndia [18 hours ago] By Dheera Majumder http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hospitalitybizindia.com/detailNews.aspx?aid=349&sid=1&cid=0&ei=CzmVR9TEEJOaqwPfkN31CA *** Cyrus Pereira - Goas latest chess star - Navhind Times [20 hours ago] The entire family - Dr Justin, a renowned gynecologist based in Mapusa and originally from Salvador do Mundo; Dr Carmen, a senior faculty in Medicine at Goa ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=012120&cid=0&ei=CzmVR9TEEJOaqwPfkN31CA *** Sesa Goa selected as top Indian company in mining sector - Navhind Times [4 hours ago] Panaji, Jan 21 Sesa Goa Ltd has been selected as the top Indian company in the mining sector for the Dun and Bradstreet American Express Corporate Awards ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=01222&cid=0&ei=CzmVR9TEEJOaqwPfkN31CA *** FII-TO-FII: Sesa Goa traded at 20% premium - Business Standard [5 hours ago] Sesa Goa was traded at highest premium of 19.92% on BSE with 2918 shares changing hands at Rs 3000 as against the spot price of Rs 2501.60. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://www.business-standard.com/common/click_track.php?act=news_now&var=32768&cid=0&ei=CzmVR9TEEJOaqwPfkN31CA *** Probe complaint against Goa Minister: court - Hindu [4 hours ago] PANAJI: The Goa Bench of the Bombay High Court onMonday directed the town police to expeditiously investigate the complaint filed by a socio-political ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/2008/01/22/stories/2008012255171300.htm&cid=0&ei=CzmVR9TEEJOaqwPfkN31CA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] A look at Goa Su-Raj Party's 'Before n After' Election administrative Procedures
GOA SU-RAJ PARTY CONVENTIONS/PRESENTATIONS Preamble: Goa Su-Raj Party has been in existence as Goa's Regional Party, duly registered with the Election Commission of India, since 31st August, 2000. It has contested the 2002 G.L.A. Elections with 8 candidates - viz. Aldona-Calangute-Siolim-Santa Cruz in the North and Quepem, Benaulim, Loutolim and Cortalim in the South. It has also contested the Assembly bye-elections of 2005 from the Taleigao Constituency and 2007 Elections from the Aldona Constituency. Goa Su-Raj Party is yet to open its account in the Goa Legislative Assembly. The party will try its best to field as many candidates as is possible in the next Assembly Elections which the Party views as the most critical elections ever if Goa has to safeguard its unique identity threatened the most through wide-spread unbridled corruption and fast changing demography of the state. To prepare itself and the more sensitive people of Goa for the next round of Assembly Elections due in 2012, which, however may be anticipated any time now due to the present on-going power seeking circus brought in by our elected representatives which is directly related to the agitational mode that Goa was in against the SEZ (Special Economic Zones) policy of the government of the day, where the Goa government wanted to set up 18 SEZs, with the people wanting none, Goa Su-Raj Party intends to reach to the people of Goa through its Party Conventions in all constituencies, to 'SELL' to them the Party's unique socio-economic developmental programme for Goa and Goans which is explained through the Party's 'Constitution' and its 'permanent Manifesto, the 'Road Map for Goa. The party is of the opinion that President's Rule should be imposed in Goa at this stage to cut short the horse trading which is going on to the detriment of Goa and Goans.and the President's Rule should be continued until the year 2012, the year that the present Assembly has been elected to serve, ofcourse, minus the present Governor Shri. S.C. Jamir who has amply indicated his contempt for the Constitution of India and who is behaving more like the henchman of the Congress Party, rather than a Statesman. This will give time for Goans to take a much needed breath of fresh air and realistically think in terms of the future of GOA and in whose hands it should be trusted. At the outset, the Party has decided to have two major Conventions, each in the North and in the South, preferably in Panjim and Margao, so that these may create sufficient awareness in the people of Goa at large. The party believes that the people of Goa have the right to know what is being planned for them, who is planning it, the basis of this planning process, and most importantly, if they, as voters, will be the stake holders in this planning processes over a long and sustained period of time, or, if they will be fooled, like always, with election time promises that sink to the bottom the very day the election results are declared. These Conventions shall be totally and absolutely 'inter-active viz. after the initial exposure of the Party's procedures that will be followed, before, as well as after the elections, the Party functionaries will answer any and all questions that might be raised during this interaction. Through this exercise, it is hoped that more serious minded citizens who are desirous to get into the mainstream of helping Goa to recover from the massive administrative mismanagement since 1961 may come forward and be part of the planned REVOLUTION for change. These Party Conventions are intended so that each and every Constituency of Goa may light the 'torch' of this new-generation awakening of the political thinking based on self-sacrifices and impartiality through setting-up of the 'Constituency Working Committees' [CWCs] to initiate the path for actual, no-nonsense self-determination in the fast progressing age of globalisation of the State and the Country. A very brief explanation of what is to come in these CONVENTIONS. Sealed Non-amendable Constitutional Provisions: Five-Member Cabinet: for effective, cost-saving and co-ordinated administrative excellence. - ART-34. No elected representative can hold 'Dual Posts' - ART 37. Any elected representative [MLA] can be the CM or the Cabinet Minister but cannot hold the office of Profit viz: occupy the offices of Chairpersons or Directors of Govt. Corporations and Institutions. - ART 38. Any elected representative may be re-called by the General Body of the Party - ART-40. Grass-root Organisation - CWC - Selection of Candidates Step-1: Village Representative [VR -one for each Village] appointed by the Party Executive in the Constituency. VRs in turn appoint their own Ward Representatives [WRs]. VRs hold voting rights in Party decision making process while WRs do not. VRs are mandatorily the life members of the Party while WRs may be ordinary members. Step-2: Elections within VRs of the respective CWCs to elect P
[Goanet] The Controversialist ... Dinesh DiSouza (sic) (by Thomas Larson)
The Controversialist A profile of Dinesh DiSouza D'Souza is short, perpetually keyed-up; one eye is half shut, the other wide open. He's a brown-skinned man, who by his admission is "neither white nor black. Typical African-Americans are no different in skin color from me; light-skinned people who are called black, from Whitney Houston to Jesse Jackson, have white ancestry." And though a Hindi accent may trickle in when he's morally animated, he says, "No one can tell on the phone where I'm from," and "My wife tells me, 'I never think of you as an Indian.' " This is his enigma. While his assimilation into our society is almost complete, his immigrant perspective remains primary to how others see him. D'Souza is often praised, unknowingly, for embodying this enigma. Recently, a native-born American who married a Brazilian woman and hears regularly from her about the blessings of liberty wrote him to say, "It takes the eyes of someone from another country to make us see the truth about America."... D'Souza's family is from Goa, a port city in southern India, whose Hindu people were colonized by the Portuguese and converted to Catholicism. His father, who eventually worked for Johnson & Johnson, moved the family to Bombay, where Dinesh was born in 1961. Bicultural from birth, the D'Souza name is Portuguese, while Dinesh means "God of the sun." His schooling was Jesuit, he says. "The best schools in India are run by the Catholic Church. It's true of many of the old English colonies." While the Jesuit curriculum featured humanities and science, it was "memory-driven, very competitive" with national exams, "nothing classically liberal about it." As a child he heard about America only through his grandfather, who, with Dinesh on his knee, would recount the fights of Muhammad Ali. D'Souza recalls the provinciality of his Indian youth with fondness. Extended family was nearby; no one traveled or had aspirations beyond Bombay. "It gave me a sturdy, happy, healthy upbringing," if a sheltered one. "I hadn't thought about my place in the universe. I'd also never thought about socialism or capitalism, or whether the Soviet Union was any good." D'Souza's family showed little interest in politics: they were "loving people," "educated but essentially technically oriented." In 1978, an exchange program, run by Rotary International, brought him to America and the outpost of Patagonia, Arizona. There, during a year with four families, he finished high school, though academically his senior year was "supereasy," equivalent to his eighth grade in India. In math, he says, "I was at the level of the teacher." A counselor, seeing D'Souza's potential, helped him apply to Dartmouth College. Was he already thinking about a career? Yes, according to the dictates of Indian culture: college men would go into the sciences or commerce, while women would choose the arts. Though D'Souza had an analytical bent toward writing, he still felt it would be his hobby, not his profession. He saw himself majoring in business or math, then, one day, going to graduate school at Oxford, and then returning to India to work at a middle-class job http://www.thomaslarson.com/larson_writing-12.html
Re: [Goanet] Martin Luther King
I don't think many US based Goans (and Indians) understand the impact MLK made in the United States. I hear all the time, my fellow Indians referring to African Americans as "Kallu's". These guys have no idea, that without the sacrifices of the African American people, Indians would never be able to come to the US and make a living. Jim F. New York. -- Original message -- From: George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Comment on the occasion of the MLK holiday .. > > Today is the Martin Luther King holiday in the USA (Jan 21. Do US Goans > understand the debt they > owe people like MLK and other civil rights fighters/organizations? MLK and > others made great > sacrifices so equal opportunity is now available to all communities, an idea > fought for around the > world. > > Goan prosperity owes a great deal to the opportunities and freedoms created > by > the Civil Rights > Act and the people (mostly African-Americans) who gave their lives so others > can > be free. But have > US Goans stopped to reflect on our good fortune? Do US Goans appreciate the > African-American > community or are they racist towards them? ... ... ...
Re: [Goanet] Hinduism - many Gods? (revised) and Caste.
To Nasci and Edward Firstly, thank you Nasci. Yours is an entirely reasonable point to make that casteism can be shed on entry to Catholicism. However, this has not happened for the best part of 500 years and many 'Catholic' Goan families have continued with their casteism to the present day over this long period. It is nice to hear too that the problem is kind of disappearing but I will only believe this when our caste adherents can state that, they reject caste now as suggested by Mervyn Lobo. Not to be able to do this suggests that their caste adherence is fairly well glued, and therefore likely to last for a while. I want a rejection of caste now and not in some decades to come as also stated by Mario Goveia on Goanet. Why on earth is this so difficult for anyone who genuinly wants to see the back of this evil that has so blighted and segregated the Catholic Goan community? Hi Edward, I note your view that caste is disappearing but what I said above applies to your view too. As to any anticipated credit for getting rid of caste/casteism, there is no need to attribute this to anyone, and especially to me as I already have recognised international professional standing in a different field altogether and definitely do not need the issue of caste to further this whatsoever. So please do not be mistaken or confused on this point. The resistance to caste/casteism among 'Catholic' Goans has a long history, is thoroughly unfinished business and despite all current efforts is unlikely to be 'completed' in my life time as long as caste adherents want it to continue and are unable to say categorically that they reject the evil of caste. Therefore, despite your 'optimism' that, it is disappearing, I will only believe this when someone like you and others are able to unambiguously state five simple words..."I totally reject caste/casteism." Until then I have to say that I am not persuaded in the least by your take on caste/casteism among many 'Catholic' Goans and I doubt any anti-casteist is persuaded either! I reiterate that the root of the problem today lies not (as you say) in our historical Hindu origins but in the hearts and minds of baptised and confirmed Catholics who insist on retaining caste/casteism whilst at the same time pretending to be devout and genuine Catholics. Further, your argument is also weak because not all of us have immediate Hindu antecedents. Some have Buddhist backgrounds and perhaps even Muslim. Cornel edward desilva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Nasci, All the below logic is 'water on duck's back' for him. He cannot get it into his head that the root of the problem comes from our Hindu origin, and unless and until the Hindu system is dismantled, this system will prevail. ...Cornel is making a big noise in its dying stages (he has nothing better to do in his old age), so that he can say 'I MADE ALL THE NOISE' therefore 'WOOF the caste system just went away, because of ME' (egotistical maniac). ED. Nasci Caldeira said: Hi Cornel, One is 'born' into a caste, say a brahmin caste or a chardo or a shatriya and so on. So accordingly when a Hindu brahmin converts to Christian Bamon, he cannot shed his caste for the simple reason that he is born into it. But what he can shed and actively do away with, is 'his Casteism' and attitude towards others...
Re: [Goanet] Non goans employeed by Pharma companies
After Goa became a State of India, surely you would not be able to discriminate against Indians taking up jobs the Goans did not want or for the reasons described, the employer thought it best to employ any Indian, as long as he or she did their job / work in the manner prescribed by the employer. I am an employer, half my workforce currently are from Eastern Europe, therefore legally employing them at the same wage as I give my English / British employees, also providing them with necessary living accommodation, food and toilet facilities. In any case, since the 1970's when Goa became part of India full time as it were, all Goans and all Indians became one nation, therefore Goans were also free to move and work anywhere they wishes, legally. I do however note your frustration at the lack of adequate employment for the local people around this pharmacy of your brother-in-law's but he is running a business, hopefully paying everyone the wages due, and supplying toilets to his employees. After seeing so many of JoeGoaUK's defecating Ghatis & others in the rivers, on the roads and peeing in public, though there appear to be toilets available, I dont doubt employers will always get the short straw when it comes to their employees behaviour. If adequate needs are taken care of, there should be no issue. IF Goans are lazy, they will not get the work, but 80% is not unusual. Two years ago I had nearly 90% non-British workers whose first language was not English, including a couple from Bhopal, One from Latvia, One from Germany, Two from Poland, One from Slovenia yes, all working well, except the one lazy Englishman who always found ways to skip his duties, whilst the "foreigners" worked their butts off to earn the same money. That money they earned was 5 to 8 times more than they would have earned back home, and they had accommodation & laundry, food & toilet / shower facilites. Mmmm what is it like for the employer to keep his business afloat? Sacrifices are made in all areas before we take a penny for ourselves, satisfied staff is the way forward. Pass the cost onto the customer! John Monteiro Yogesh Desai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For R&R; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi! I was talking to my Brother who works for a Pharma company in Verna with 300 employees. It was shocking to know that only 15 of these are Goans and others are from UP,Orissa,Karnataka,Maharastra and other states. The reasons cited by my brother were.. 1.Though there are enough goan applications for jobs...expected salaries are higher then non goans. 2.Goans are lethargic at work and take off whenever they need. 3.Not ready to work on weekends and to spend late hours in office. I was just wondering if there is no law applied for these companies that there should be some percentage of Goans need to be employed by these companies as they take heavy tax rebate from Govt. Regards Yogesh Munich
Re: [Goanet] Goan Food question
Hi Hansel, The address of the Central Library in Goa is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rgds, FN On 21/01/2008, Hansel de Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately her email address is not given in the book, but she is "a > senior librarian at the State Central Library in Pangim". > She also writes articles for the local papers, so perhaps they can give you > her email address. (The Navhind Times; Herald; Gomantak Times and the > magazine Goa Today.) -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 Links from Goa: http://goalinks.livejournal.com/ Campaign for real beauty : watch this film. Talk to your daughter before the beauty industry does :: http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/home.asp
[Goanet] LOHIA MAIDAN Margao & ILLEGAL STRUCTURE
In April 1999 the then Governor of Goa Lt Gen (Retd) J F R Jacob, was apprised by this writer of an illegal kitchen premises belonging to Hotel Kamat that exists on the North west end of the Lohia Maidan at Margao. This was because during the exercise of beautification the Government had carefully designed the wall within the Maidan apparently to discreetly “regularize” this encroachment. The Governor promptly directed the then Collector (South) Mr H Rajesh Prasad IAS, to examine the matter. Incidentally as investigations were moving at snails space this writer requested a prominent freedom fighter Shri Vasant Mordekar in June 2000 and a member of the Goa Freedom Fighters Association who have their office within the vicinity of the Maidan to get rid of the illegal structure. The writer also brought to Mr Mordekar’s kind notice that while they raised a hue and cry over a temporary shade being erected for the public Q’ing up to pay the motor vehicle taxes at the then Directorate of Transport office counter within the Maidan , they had given a feeble response to this encroachment for reasons unknown. This irregular structure has marred the splendid looking building “Administracao das Communidades de Salcete “ building whose construction was initiated by the then Governor of Goa Mr Vassalo Silva in early 1960- 61 and was completed in 1968. However in February, 2001 the Chief Minister of Goa Mr Manohar Parrikar ordered an investigation in the matter, and the then Chief officer Margao Municipal Council Mr A. V Chikkodi merely clarified that the alleged illegal structure exists on property surveyed under Chalta No 33 of PT Sheet 232 of City Survey Office Margao .In June 2002 the present Collector South Goa District Mr G P Naik, then the Chief Officer of Margao Muncipal Council promised to examine the matter and “action deem fit if necessary” would be initiated. Given the inaction of the MMC it appears that no action is deemed fit. But many Margaoites know full well it is indeed an illegal encroachment on the Maidan and the point out to a part of the earlier compound wall which now forms a part of the kitchen. Later during the out break of the jaundice epidemic in Goa Dr V R Muralidharan Health Officer Urban Health Centre Margao vide letter date 10.09.2003 issued a notice to the proprietors of Kamat Hotel under the Goa Public Health Act, 1985 (as amended from time to time ) on the unhygienic state of the kitchen which could lead to spread of dangerous infectious disease to customers ; and they were directed to set right the defects within 24 hrs of receipt of the notice. The kitchen was used for bathing as well as toilet for the workforce. In 2003 this writer requested yet once more requested the City Survey office Margao to confirm how the mutation if any was carried out without the Deed of Sale being executed by the proprietors of the alleged illegal kitchen. In 2004 , Mr D. K Patil Inspector of Survey and Land Records City Survey, Margao replied stating that the property Chalta No 33 of PT Sheet 232 stands recorded in the name of a) Margao Municipality and b) Mr Motiram D Gaundalkar which is still “provisional” and the names in the Form B were recorded by the Field surveyor during the general survey operations some time in 1972. One of their kin G Gaundalkar was the Chairperson of the Margao Municipal Council as well. In March 2005 CO MMC was asked to confirm whether in the light of the above observations the structures were illegal but there has been no reply till now. Successive Chief Officers have been evading the reply and action against the illegality in their own property. The Government has now painted the surrounding walls (back side) of the “Administracao das Communidades de Salcete “ building and surrounding walls of the Maidan and is getting ready to unveil the life size statue of Dr Ram Manohar Lohia the socialist leader on eve of Republic Day 2008 recently installed in the Maidan . No one grudges the befitting tribute paid to Dr Lohia , who had given a clarion call for revolt against the erstwhile Portuguese regime on 18th June 1946 from this historic Maidan. However two questions uppermost in public view a) what provoked the demolition of the earlier “stambha” like structure erected in 1999 during a smilar beautification exercise at the cost of nearly 8 lacs in less than a decade ? b) what provoked the reconstruction of yet another public toilet in the Maidan adjoining the illegal kitchen structure? c) why is the illegal structure not being demolished yet? When this writer had a teletalk this afternoon with Mr Gurunath Kelekar a freedom fighter he said the earlier structure did not reflect any symbolism and hence a committee of eminent citizens decided upon installing the life size statue and it was approved by the Municipal Council as well in early 1999. He however gave due cred
Re: [Goanet] Chief Secy distributes cards to Goan expats
Sir, It is interesting to read about the cards to Goan expats. It would be more interesting to know the mode of distribution and relevant formalities to obtain this card. There are more than hundred thousand Goan expats and distribution of mere 25 cards sounds senseless. Phil
[Goanet] [JudeSundayReflections] 4. BETTER NEWS about Fr. Jude
Friends, Thank YOU for your prayers, Fr. Jude is so much better! Read on for more from Colly, and watch for further updates. -Brenda Hello Everybody, Fr. Jude is back in his room from the Surgical ICU. It is a relief, as he says that was a real madhouse this morning with many of the patients being shifted to their rooms. He looks better but is very weak, breathes heavily and is in pain. The physiotherapist makes him walk and makes him do several exercises for breathing, as his oxygen intake is less. He has to throw up the cold in the chest, so coughing brings on the pain again. They serve him his regular meals, but he has no appetite -otherwise he is fine. Thanks once again for your prayers and do continue to remember him in your prayers. Peter and I are a bit relaxed now. Bye for now, and thanks once again, Colly Mascarenha (Fr. Jude’s sister) Save all your chat conversations. Find them online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php
[Goanet] Goan Food question
Hello Blanche, I live in Pennsylvania in the USA and have just returned from a visit to Goa. By any chance, can you give me the scientific name (or any other name) of the bony fish called "korlie" in Konkani, or "silver bar" in Maria de lourdes Bravo da Costa Rodrigues' cook-book (Tasty Goan Morsels)? Unfortunately her email address is not given in the book, but she is "a senior librarian at the State Central Library in Pangim". She also writes articles for the local papers, so perhaps they can give you her email address. (The Navhind Times; Herald; Gomantak Times and the magazine Goa Today.) Please let me know when you find her email address. regards, Hansel de Sousa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Another illegal construction?
Darn good research Bosco. This should give Rajan ample ammo to load up his guns. Jim F. New York. -- Original message -- From: "Bosco D'Mello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Sun Jan 20 20:38:02 PST 2008, Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: > > > I asked the Batim villagers below and they said the house is being > > constructed by someone from Delhi.. Then he revealed that this > > house is being built by one Kiran Dhingra. > > RESPONSE: Kiran?? Did you say Kiran Dhingra?? Could it be this Kiran > Dhingra?? > > > Ms Kiran Dhingra (dhingrak ias.nic.in) celebrated her birthday last > week - half way there.. > > http://www.indianbuzz.com/index.php?section=home > > > 1) IAS Officer - Class of 1975 > - Director General of Shipping, Govt. of India > - Chief Secretary, Govt of Goa > - Secretary of Transportation, Govt of Delhi (circa 1996) > - Development Commisioner, Andaman & Nicobar Islands > > > 2) Author > - The Andaman and Nicobar Islands in the Twentieth Century: A Gazetteer > > Kiran Dhingra is with the Indian Administrative Service and presently Chief > Secretary of Goa (circa 2006). She was posted in the Andaman and Nicobar > Islands for a period of about three years (1992-5) as Development > Commissioner. She spent another year-and-a-half touring the islands > extensively when she was commissioned by the Andaman and Nicobar Islands > Administration to compile this gazetteer. > > > 3) Hired!! (Feb 22, 2005) > > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2005-February/025118.html > > > 4) Fired!! (Jan 18, 2006) > > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-January/038250.html > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-February/039020.html > > > References: > http://www.amazon.ca/Andaman-Nicobar-Islands-Twentieth-Century/dp/0195670531/ref > =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200891489&sr=1-1 > http://www.rff.org/Documents/RFF-DP-05-48.pdf > http://www.executiveship.com/newslett-apr07PDF.pdf (Photo) > > > Thank you GoogleManiacs!!! >
Re: [Goanet] Dalits' Plight (Kevin)
Kevin Saldanha wrote thus to Fr. Ivo 1: wouldn't the inability to have your cake and eat it too apply here? 2: You appear to be keen on promoting casteism within the Church instead of working to eliminate it. 3: I would hazard an opinion that the Church is fighting to retain SC/ST status for the new converts instead of trying to encourage them to embrace their new-found freedoms. --- Dear Kevin, Since atheists do not believe something without its proof of existence, would you please provide proof that Fr. Ivo (or the Church) is 'keen on promoting casteism WITHIN the Church'? May I also ask you the following: Is the Statutory (Indian) designation of SC/ST an instrument of caste-discrimination or is it an (albeit inadequate) effort of creating a leveling of the opportunity field for those that society has discriminated against for several thousands of years? Those people belong to their TRIBES. That is what they are. They were classified as outcastes by those whose forebears conquered & subjugated them and took away their land. They were eventually (euphemistically) referred to as Scheduled Castes (courtesy the push by the progressives in the Indian National Congress and forward thinkers like Babasaheb Ambedkar). That is how they are able to (until the SC/ST Act is changed) receive some assistance. You want them to lose what the Statute provides for them as paltry reparation for the injustice done to them and their forbears for several millennia? What "freedom" are you referring to? One that exists without opportunity to earn a better living and removes the ability to apply for help in the quest for upward mobility? Are you suggesting that because there is (alleged) racial equality in Canada or the US, Afro-Canadians or African-Americans(or the Native populations) should not avail themselves of the opportunities reserved for them? Oh yes.about the cake: I suggest that we should not let the icing get in our way. The real cake is beneath the icing. We just have to believe it or not (:-) good wishes jc
[Goanet] Fred does Caldin
For those wondering how ole Fred whipped up the secrets to making a pot of caldin, I have posted a peek look at the sometime gourmand's path to caldin glory! A word of caution; try not to drop the steaming liquid on anyones lap, no less your potential suitor!!! http://goanbeer.blogspot.com/ Note, before anyone takes off...this but an amusement project!!
[Goanet] Colamb villagers force shut down of Fomentos Mine.
In a major breakthrough to the movement of Colamb villagers seeking to defend their land and agricultural livelihood, group of over 200 villagers stormed into the Fomento mines TC No. 06/1949 and forced to shut down two of its operating units in Colamb village. According to the reports received villagers entered the Khodidas Hiralal mine operated by Goa corporate house of Fomentos at 11.00am today January 21, 2008. Mining company was prepared to tackle the situation as it brought in 6 bouncers (Goons) from the nearby Cacora-Sanvordem area with three bike bearing registration numbers GA08 5408, GA08 2464, and GA08 D6504. The strategy of the mining company was not to involve the police and deal with the protesting villagers by the application of private muscle power. (It remains to be seen as to how Goa Police deals with the Goons brought to the mining site to threaten the villagers or is it going to be the story as usual: favour and encourage mining mafia.) The strategy however failed due to presence of over 200 villagers and also their supporters from different parts of Goa. The supporters included Arun Madgaonkar, Vithal Khandeparkar and Kalidas Savaikar. The first thing that the villagers did was gave half an hour deadline to the mining company to shut down its operations. Written letter to this effect was also handed over the mining company by the villagers. Earlier the letter to this effect was served on the State administration on December 10 2007 by Gawda, Kunbi, Velip and Dhangar Federation (GAKUVED) during the Human Rights Day Rally. Reminder was again served on the administration a week ago. However administration chose to doze off rather than act against the erring mining companies. When the request was turned down that the mob entered the mine and forced the machinery not only to shut down but also to dismantle the same. Machinery in both the units was forced dismantled. The staff in the screening unit fled from the seen anticipating villagers attack so there was no one working on the site when the villagers raided the mining premises. By 12.30 pm the entire mining plant was shut down and pleasing silence descended. Menacing dozers, rippers and trucks was silenced by this gutsy courage of the villagers. Police came to the scene only when the villagers had done their job and were returning home from the mines. Four Police Jeeps with around 40 police personnel were heading towards the controversial mine. Police Chief from Quepem Police Station tried to coerce the villagers to send in 10 member delegation to the mining company’s office to talks. Of course this offer was not only turned down but police was told that in case they want to talk to the villagers than they must come to the village and express themselves. Police then calmed down from their high pedestal and came into the village with a proposal that they want to convene the meeting of the villagers and mining company in the presence of the Collector. This offer too was politely refused by pointing to the futility of such interactions in the past. Police had faced wrath of the villagers on December 10 2007 when GAKUVED led a morcha (protest march) against Quepem Police Station. Villagers after this victory are keeping continues vigil over the situation; for under their village lies black gold called iron ore and magnesium and corporate have divided 1929 hectares of this village into 22 mining leases covering 1510 hectares, leaving only 419 hectares for the village. That will be covered under mining dumps and occupied by Forest department as reserved forest to be free from people but gifted in exchange of few brief cases to the mining companies. With this action of the villagers of Colamb direct action just addition to December 11 2007 direct attack on mines by Cavrem villagers in Quepem taluka. Fomentos are one of the most notorious business houses as far as their Environment record goes. Politically it shares very close family ties with the present days rulers of Goa. Co-option is done through sponsoring of Dinner parties in its five star hotel Cidade de Goa on Bambolim Coast in North Goa. Wonder when the better sense will prevail upon the Goa’s mining elites? It is better that it prevails soon or situation will force into sensible mode try them for all the nefarious land usurpations, ecological crimes and economic swindling. For the moment it is time for small celebration even while we recall the way Fomentos used Forest department and other state administration to further its will. Of course other mining companies are doing the same. This time this corporate rat is in the movement’s net! -- www.mandgoa.blogspot.com MAND An adivasi-rights resource centre, An initiative of Gawda, Kunbi, Velip, and Dhangar Federation (GAKUVED) "Hari Smriti" 381, Dhulapi, Corlim, Ilhas, Goa. Pincode: 403 110 _ Post free
Re: [Goanet] Domnick, Goa's own Garrincha
I think the first leg was in Margao (Campal had a wind/breeze factor) and the second leg at Tilak in Vasco (cannot remember). The tie breaker was at 4PM exactly; our school ended at 4 and the d^^^m Irishm^n Principal would hear nothing about letting the school out on this very important day. Studies at the school had stopped and even the women-teachers acknowledged the tension and the expectation all around. But the principal (and a lover of football) would not give in saying the results would be decided within minutes. That was cruel. The next morning during the general assembly, he acknowledged the tears and sad faces at the gathering. He was the most disliked person in our school that day! In quarter-finals, Goa and Pubjab were tied and lots had to be drawnthere was no goal-difference to judge the first spot (the for and against goals were all event between the two). Punjab got the first stop in the lot and Goa were drawn against Bengal in the semis. This upset the scheme since the final everyone expected was Goa-Bengal. According to one of Goa's defenders that year (not sure it was Succoro Coutinho or antoher), Pubjab were the toughest team they played. That was also the year the likes of Inder Singh were in spring. And on a final note, I did go to the finals between Bengal-TamilNadu (Bengal won 4-1)I got in for freethe stands were almost empty and the air was of watching a casual football game on a Sunday afternoon than a national final! On 1/20/08, Bosco D'Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun Jan 20 11:58:37 PST 2008, Edgar Silveira wrote: > > > The Santosh Trophy was 1972 but the Goa-Bengal semi-final > > (the closest Goa came in the old days to getting into the > > finals) was at Tilak maidan (maybe the first leg was at > > Campal). > > On Sun Jan 20 11:58:37 PST 2008, Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: > > > He was the star in Goa's match against Bengal in the > > 1971 (or 1972) > Santosh Trophy that was held in Campal. > > RESPONSE: It was 1972 but where exactly was the game played? Vasco Sports > Club states "Dr Rajendra Prasad Stadium in Margao". A. Veronica Fernandes' > recollections of that fateful tournament are archived here too and he states > the two legs were played at "Margao MMC stadium " and "Vasco stadium". > Eugene Correira has written extensively here re Goan soccer players and > their successes.maybe he recollects where?? > > > On Sun Jan 20 11:58:37 PST 2008, Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: > > > I distinctly recall Domnic drawing the ire of the boorish > > Bengali players (one of them was an extreme uncouth named Habib) > > RESPONSE: Oye Rajan, he wasn't quite the uncouth guy when I rode piggy-back > on him as a toddler.:-) > > With the EURO slated for this summer, I'm sure we will hear more football > stories of yore. Who has placed money on 8th ranked Portugal?? > > - Bosco > > > References: > > http://www.the-aiff.com/santoshtrophy.php > http://www.vascoclub.com/halloffame/forwards.asp > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2004-June/014460.html > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2004-June/014466.html > http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ranking/lastranking/gender=m/fullranking.html > > -- "Explanation Destroys Art."
[Goanet] Digu Goa Express Train - Yet Kick Starting?????
For past Seven months, newly commissioned Digu Goa Express Train, operative Goa to Delhi, is suffocating at its starting point! All 12 wheels of the train, apparently guided by different remote controls, are moving in different directions! Engine Driver Digu does not even know what's happening! The Rane Guard is seen enjoying sitting comfortably behind showing mix signals yet giving impression that he is guiding and protecting the driver Digu. Yet, the station master Zamir, busy with native politics, is not whiling to give signal for the new train, as if he is determined to see that no train moves from Goa only to have his own control on entire Railway station that is Goa ! Central controller is hell bent on starting Digu Goa Express Train under the same untrained driver who does not even know which controls / buttons to press to start the Train! While local Engineers responsible for suggesting and designing the train and installing the driver are seen running pillar to post! Main engineer is sweating in 5 start hotel. All the employees of the railway station is enjoying the fun without doing any work other than corruption! Even the cleaners in Aam Admi are not whiling to clean the rails as a result all garbage is getting pilled in front of the train!! The passengers who bought the ticket at hefty prices are seen jammed and suffocated in the boarded Train. Whileat fare distance away from main station --- on both sides. RP & SEZ Heavy diesel goods trains have already blocked the routes! Visitors to railway station are seen annoyed and desperately planning for alternative. What a strange situation! And even if Digu Goa Express Train starts moving with all unwanted efforts and heavy odds --- it's not going to be Midas touch, that's for sure!! Didu Goa Express Train will be decommissioned automatically by it's own wheels making way for New Train within 1 - 2 months!!! Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] M'lore: A rousing conclusion of kite festival
By Team Mangalorean Photographs: Rajesh Shetty Mangalore, January 20, 2008: The Panambur beach became a sea of humanity on this warm Sunday afternoon and for a poetic writer it would be tempting to say something like the biological sea of human beings was matching wits with the god's sea of water. The occasion was the last day of the two day ONGC-MRPL International Kite Festival organized by Team Mangalore. In fact it could be easier for anybody to sum up thus 'every road in Mangalore led to Panambur beach'. Poetics apart the situation warranted such a crowd as it was befitting to the pains the Team Mangalore had taken to make it the best international kite festival ever organised on the soil of Karnataka so far. Matching the enthusiasm of the people the kiters had put up a great show on Sunday. They were not holding anything back. The entire sky if looked up from the popular beach face near Cargo gate would give picture of the sky being painted with pixels. The expert flyers had made an enclosure where they had displayed their gear which had become a pilgrimage for the amateur kiters. The highlight of the last day of the festival was definitely the Phoenix kite built by the South Korean team led by Kang Bumku and his associate Woo Han. The huge bird in multi colours soared the highest in the sky and according to Mr. Bumku he had let out over 350 meters of thread into the sky. Other popular models included the line of kites depicting an elephant, octopus and a jersey cow and several other pictorial depictions. Caped Spirit and the Line Laundry kites of the British group led by Bruce Cruikshanks. 'Cody', 'The Devil' and the 'Sanjo Roccako' kites from the Netherland team were also eye catchers. But the 65-foot long 'King Cobra' belonging to the Maharashtrian team was the largest kite ever displayed in the festival and became the cynosure of all eyes. Other kites that got good attention in the festival were Kathakali of Team Mangalore. Related News Kite festival this year is truly international http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=64606 Courtesy: www.mangalorean.com Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter (Since 1994) archived at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans/ Moderated by Gaspar Almeida & presented by Ulysses Menezes www.goa-world.com - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [Goanet] Salvation of non-Christians
Dear Nigel, Atheism arose from a default position of God's (gods' ?) existence over the millenia prior to rational thought. Ever since prehistoric humanity looked to gods for answers to natural phenomena, it has been assumed that there was an omnipotent, omniscient creator God. Atheists believe that there can NEVER be a proof for something that does not exist. However, they do not impose that belief on others, understanding that this is a concept that is arrived at through introspection. Secular Humanism goes a step beyond that, as explained much more succinctly in this message from another mailing list I received just this morning Humanism is not relativism. We have no dogma or creed as such but we do share ontology. That is to say we have a common understanding that reliable knowledge comes from testing the empirical world and that while many useful and probably correct ideas cannot be immediately tested, the more an idea is consistent with testable ideas, the more likely it is to be tested. It is that principle and a commitment to ethics that is the stuff of humanism. Atheists begin with the rejection of the gods and usually the supernatural. For us the supernatural is by definition that which is not empirically testable. We believe that it is is ethically wrong to believe a thing without evidence ( This is a paraphrase of Wm. K. Clifford "the ethics of belief" See. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidentialist and http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/w_k_clifford/ethics_of_belief.html ). Since we weigh ideas related to the supernatural as among the least reliable, we are non-theists. But we are not nihilists or relativists. We have a standard for establishing knowledge on which we can act. It is our approach to knowledge that distinguished us from both atheists and the faith community. We do not expect to achieve absolute knowledge. It is not necessary. What we have is grounded knowledge. We have confidence not faith. Alan Levin - Everything you see around you today, except for the lavish houses of worship and their attendant hierarchies, have been developed based on our confidence in the scientific method. However there is a very real danger in the encroachment of the age of endarkenment. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/aug/15/endarkenment?gusrc=rss&feed=science Truth Invigorates, Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:15:18 +0530 From: "Nigel Britto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I never really did understand the concept of atheism, because, the very existence of the atheists proves the existence of God. When I first heard of atheists, my first thoughts were, how can you not believe in something you don't believe exists? Agnosticism is a more understandable concept, since you doubt the existence of God. (PS, this definition changes, according to what kind of agnostic you're talking to). And if you talk about the sacrifice for 'all', extending to atheists and agnostics, it really defies the concept of the narrow gate. Infact, it renders the Biblical notion of narrow gate obsolete. I meant that Eternal Life is ONLY through Jesus Christ, and without Him, it's not attainable. And then you mentioned about proclaiming, which contradicts your earlier statements about salvation for non-Christians. Truth Liberates Nigel Britto -- http://2008goanconvention.com
Re: [Goanet] Dalits' Plight (3)
Dear Fr. Ivo, wouldn't the inability to have your cake and eat it too apply here? The following statement appears ambiguous "The Christian community is committed to social justice, to equality, to secularism." Maybe I'm misunderstanding your use of the term 'secularism' You appear to be keen on promoting casteism within the Church instead of working to eliminate it. Being new to this aspect of the discussion, I would hazard an opinion that the Church is fighting to retain SC/ST status for the new converts instead of trying to encourage them to embrace their new-found freedoms. Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. = Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:05:04 +0530 From: "Fr. Ivo da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Church has social responsibilities--she has to work for the interest of the poor. She is the voice of the voiceless. The Church would like to see that this unjust order is radically changed. The Christian community is committed to social justice, to equality, to secularism. This issue is not religious, it is a human rights problem. In the Mandal Commission Report, Prof.Madhu Dandavate stated that conversion from one faith to another did not change the socio-economic status of a person. It was, there?fore, desirable that converts from Scheduled Castes/Tribes to Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism or Christianity should be treated equally as Scheduled Castes/Tribes. Any sort of discrimination is a murder of secularism and democracy, the two important pillars of the Indian Nation. The Church cannot replace the State. Fr.Ivo -- http://2008goanconvention.com
[Goanet] THANKS!!!!!!!
THANKS! I have already called e-mails and calls after reading the TRIBUTE to my sis-in-law on GOANET. Thanks again. GOD BLESS YOUR GOOD WORK! Arlette
[Goanet] Goan Convention 2008 at San Jose, CA - July 4 - 6, 2008 - Manohar Parrikar invited as Keynote Speaker
The Goan community in the Silicon Valley of California proudly announces 31st January, 2008 is the deadline for availing early bird registration rates. The deadlines for contributing articles to the Convention Souvenir and participating in the Youth Essay Competition have been extended to 31st March, 2008. We are very honored that Shri Manohar Parrikar has accepted our invitation to be a Keynote Speaker for the convention. He is a well known personality in Goa, a former Chief Minister and currently serving in Goa Legislative Assembly as the Leader of the Opposition. Read more ... The convention will be organized with a theme. The Goan community despite being small has come a long way excelling in all areas of life. But we also face challenges as we enter the new millennium. We have selected Celebrating Our Roots, Spreading Our Wings as a theme for the convention. It will portray our rich heritage and culture as well as efforts we are making to enhance them in new frontiers. Keynote Speaker Shri Manohar Parrikar We are very honored that Shri Manohar Parrikar has accepted our invitation to be a Keynote Speaker for the convention. He is a well known personality in Goa, a former Chief Minister and currently serving in Goa Legislative Assembly as the Leader of the Opposition. Born in Mapusa, Goa, Manohar Parrikar graduated from IIT-Bombay in 1978 in Metallurgical Engineering. After graduating from IIT he returned to Goa and entered into manufacturing business. In 1988 he joined BJP and entered Goan politics and was elected legislative member of Goa 1994-2000. He became chief Minister of Goa in 2000 for the next five years. During his tenure as the Chief Minister, he had a vision going beyond daily problems. He is credited with single handedly bringing the IFFI (International Film Festival of India) to Goa, and creating more international quality infrastructure in Goa for the event in a short time than any other former government. IFFI now has become an annual fixture in Goan life, providing it the world attention. Beyond the glamorous aspect of this accomplishment, he introduced many programs that benefited senior citizens, single women, education of children, cyber age scheme that provided computers to students at home. He is also known to be a man of action, and principles. As a Chief Minister he had a vision to take Goa beyond its sushegaad image and introducing many programs that uplifted the life of many. He has had a multi-faceted life, growing up in Goa during its turbulent post-liberation political time and making a successful transition as a well respected politician into new millennium. He can relate to the past and equally articulate the present and the future vision. He is an accomplished speaker and with a wealth of experience of making speeches in a wide variety of forums, addressing different audiences from all walks of life. Elected as a Member of Legislative Assembly from Panaji Constituency (State Capital), Manohar Parrikar is currently the Leader of the Opposition in the Goa Legislative Assembly. He is also a Member of the National Executive Committee of BJP. He is an avid reader and his favorite pastime is watching cricket and movies. He is the first IIT graduate to become a Chief Minister of any Indian State and is listed as one of the Famous Alumni of IIT-Bombay. He brings a unique perspective of a technologist turned politician as a Keynote Speaker for the 2008 Goan Convention. Organizing Committee Surendra Naik President [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gauri and Shekhar Ambe Registration/Finance Directors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Surendra Naik and Ajit Desai Hotel/Food Directors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ganapati Mauze Program Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suresh Sansguiri and Ajit Kulkarni Entertainment Directors [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dinker Bir Sponsorship Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paresh Kenkre Souvenir Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priyada Shinkre Youth Program Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mayur and Sneha Naik Webmasters [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter (Since 1994) archived at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans/ Moderated by Gaspar Almeida & presented by Ulysses Menezes www.goa-world.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [Goanet] Cheap Flights
Cheap for whom? For the environment? In these days of global warming, let us all commit to reducing our carbon footprint on the planet... FN On 21/01/2008, Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, one can get really cheap flights. Sometimes it doesn't make sense what > you're paying for the distance. > > I'm flying to Calcutta by Indigo, from Goa via Hyderabad and the fare is > Rs. 2,700. Leave Goa at 1750 pm, one hour wait in Hyderabad and then to > Calcutta arriving 1020 pm. Later to Guwahati by Kingfisher airlines, flight > time 1 hr 15 min Rs. 2550/-. Does this make sense? > > Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 Links from Goa: http://goalinks.livejournal.com/ Campaign for real beauty : watch this film. Talk to your daughter before the beauty industry does :: http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/home.asp
[Goanet] GRAF presents Konkani traditional tiatr "VANTTE" on 22nd Jan. 2008 in Mahim
www.goa-world.com Quality. Precision. Professional. Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter GRAF to stage traditional Tiatr Vantte GRAF (Goan Review Art Foundation) will be staging "VANTTE" a Konkani traditional tiatr in7 Acts at Yeshwant Natya Mandir, Mahim, Mumbai on 22nd January08 at 7.45 p.m. and on 26th January 2008 at 7.45 p.m. at Mary Immaculate School Hall, Kalina, Santa Cruz (East) Mumbai. The play written by Rio Rosa and directed by the versatile artiste of the Konkani stage Joe Rose is presented in the authentic form of the traditional seven act (sat podddde) play (Tiatr) with the side show of variety of songs such as clown, duo, duet, trio, quartet and quintet having the essence of the yesteryears tiatr. The cast includes the stalwarts of the Mumbai Konkani stage Antoinette, S. Lemos, Titta Pretto, Joe Rose, Neves Oliveira, Michael M., Salferns, besides a host of talented amateurs. Music is provided by the one and only "Daybreakers", and setting and lighting by P. Rangankar. For entry passes and further details kindly contact 9867329584 (Rio Rosa) and 9820494439 (Gable DSouza) (Source: FVD) Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter (Since 1994) archived at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans/ Moderated by Gaspar Almeida & presented by Ulysses Menezes www.goa-world.com - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[Goanet] Cheap Flights
You are comparing the four and a half hour journey (including 1 hour stop at Hyderabad) for Rs 2,700 with the 1 hr 15 min flight for Rs 2550, right? The explanation is that an airline seat is a perishable commodity. Once the plane takes off an empty seat is worthless. So airlines try to get whatever price they can to fill that seat. Seats are priced low well in advance. But closer to the day of the flight the fares usually go up. In your case maybe they didnt go up by much on the Goa-HYD-KOL route. Maybe its unfamiliar to travelers and they want to keep it low at "introductory" levels. I gather that Deccan also has a Goa-HYD flight. Maybe Vijay Mallya doesnt let it undercut (aka "predatory pricing"!) like before he brought it into the Kingfisher fold. Happy landings.
[Goanet] 1st Konkani e-cinema "BLACK" screening on 31st January 2008 in Riyadh
1st Konkani e-cinema "BLACK" screening on 31st January 2008 in Riyadh As announced earlier, the Konkani speaking community in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will have the unique opportunity to watch the screening of a first Konkani e-cinema "BLACK" on 31st January 2008 at 5:45 p.m. at the Indian Embassy Hall at B-1 Diplomatic Quarter at Riyadh. This will be the first time a Konkani film will be screened here and we look forward with enthusiam to the support of the Goan and the Mangalorean community in KSA - an opportunity not to be missed. As the seating capacity is limited at the Indian Embassy Hall, entry passes will be on first- come-first-serve basis. For details, contact names and telephone numbers are provided at the end of this email. The film written, directed and produced by T-Bush under his production banner 'T-Bush International Films' is in Konkani language and the first Konkani E-Cinema "BLACK Nhesop Atanchem Fashion" - From the Writer/Director/Producer of the International Award Winning English Film "THE LETTER". "BLACK" is a sweet, just, humane and interesting film that recapitulates the life of a musician in a Goan backdrop of traditions and culture. A unique storyline with a backdrop of beautiful Goa and originality of the language used in the dialogues are obviously the main aspects that will contribute to the high quality of the movie. The film script is adequately plotted by T-Bush. In an era of stereotyped film stories, "BLACK" has a storyline based on some of the fading traditions and culture of our times nicely dialogued with a natural dialect. Comedian Philip, Gracy Morais, Rowla Lewis, Cajetan de Sanvordem, Helen Pinto, Sylvester Vaz, Braz de Parra, Joseph Rodrigues, Querobina Carvalho, Riana Azavedo, Mario de Majorda, Salu Faleiro, Babbit, Abby, Francis de Verna, Dominic Araujo, among others makes the principal cast of the film. "BLACK" premiered in August 2007 at the Masrah Hawally Auditorium in Kuwait is the first Indian film to be made in Kuwait produced mainly for the Konkani masses. Music: NORMAN CARDOZO Lyrics: Braz de Parra Background Music: Sunil Kumar/Norman/T-Bush Lighting: Joaquim Rodrigues Continuity: Shazad/T-Bush Makeup Artist: Marina D'Souza Singers: Gracy/Maggie/Philip/T-Bush Audio Visual: TONI Boom Operator: Savio Rebello Recording Engineers: AURVIL/SURESH Project coordinators: Felix de Merces/Philip Pereira/Nicholas Rodrigues Promotion Coordinators: Dominic Araujo/Laurie Miranda Marketing Coordinator: Helen Pinto Event Coordinator: Nitin Castelino Publicity coordinators: Gasper Crasto/Gaspar Almeida Cinematographer/Editor/Writer/Director: T-BUSH. Screening: The film will be screened on a wide screen with high quality 'E-Cinema Technology' projection. The most essential element that makes the film "BLACK" an even more rewarding experience is the audio-visual effect synchronized into a 5.1 DTS sound. About the Director In his short career in film making, T-Bush had the fortune of brushing shoulders with eminent Hollywood and European film-makers like Bob Doyle, David Caffrey, Julian Doyle, Brendan McGinty, Rachel Tillotson, Steve Brook Smith, John Keates, Robert Brunning, Brian Donovan, Jean Dedieau, Steve Cookson, Marcia Gay (Line Producer for the film Harry Potter), and others. For more details, visit the website www.t-bush.com Synopsis of BLACK: The movie revolves around a musician who is involved in trivial assignments of traditional music. Culture and music means everything to the self-born maestro who just cannot give up on his passion for music. His effort to persuade the young genre to keep the art living in the face of fading tradition runs to an emotional zenith as the movie unfolds. For Entry Passes, kindly contact: Alex Braganza Mbl: 0501915882 Bhaskar Govekar Mbl: 0503404616 Caje Afonso Mbl: 0508341502 Franklin D'Costa Mbl: 0506470697 Jerome Coutinho Mbl: 0506235946 Jose D'Costa Mbl: 0507160654 Marcus D'Costa Mbl: 0509402617 Michael Fernandes Mbl: 0507268034 Victor D'Mello Mbl: 0504682046 Cheers! Victor D'Mello - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter (Since 1994) archived at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans/ Moderated by Gaspar Almeida & presented by Ulysses Menezes www.goa-world.com - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[Goanet] To all my Non Resident Friends.
Tap NRG Potential By Mr. Plastino D'Costa Whenever a Non-Resident Goan points out a deficiency in the Goan system, be it political, bureaucratic, social, they are forced to keep their ideas to themselves, the reason given is that they have been living out of Goa and have no business in minding the business of Goa. Of course, there is no guarantee that all ideas coming from Non-Resident Goans are not politically motivated as some Non-Residents have acted with vested interests for politicians in the past. But if we treat all Non-Residents as an interfering fraternity, we might be running the risk of missing out on some very good talent and experience these people might bring with them, due to their exposure to another sound system in the country they reside. The potential has to be tapped and states like Goa will only benefit compared to other states because of the high ratio of population living outside of Goa. The smartness of Goans residing in Bombay, the work discipline of Goans residing in the Gulf, the work culture of Goans residing in Europe, the professionalism of Goans residing in the United States of America, are just some behavioral transformation these Non-Residents might bring to the benefit of Goa. Goans residing in the West are subject to open and sound systems and make a compelling case for the Government of Goa to appoint them as consultants or advisors to the Government, in plugging some of the gaping holes our systems have. If the government is sincere and keeps an open mind that is. Unfortunately Non-Resident Goans are considered as traitors or temporary tourists. Traitors because they have left Goa for greener pastures and tourists because like tourists they are temporary and can be easily fleeced during their stay in Goa by all and sundry. However, to be fair all Non-Resident Goans deserve better from the government and the society. Today the Government of Goa runs an office especially for Non-Residents Goan Affairs without even knowing the exact figure of how many Non- Resident Goans really exist. This office has become merely a facilitation office for the labor class and will remain that, unless some Non-Resident Goans are included in the decision making process. We can't have commissioners, ministers and their staff who never lived as Non-Residents, visiting foreign countries on the pretext of helping Non-Residents without any constructive agenda. Delegations visiting foreign countries to solve Non-Resident problems usually end up into pleasure trips with no accountability whatsoever on what these trips really want to achieve. They usually end up into some high profile politicians ending up as chief guest for a function, mostly to the satisfaction of the organizers and not necessarily to the audience. Instead, an office for Non-Residents should concentrate more about the pressing issues faced by Non Residents. Today the Government of Goa and India has conveniently ignored the predicament faced, especially the blue collar Non-Resident, as they are on the wrong side of a stronger rupee and are stuck in some rich countries with high standards of living, unable to save due to high inflation and losing out on remittances. The government has gone out of the way in announcing financial packages to bail out Indian exporters without even bothering about the Non-Residents. These same Non-Residents, which the present Prime Minister should remember during his term as Finance Minister, had bailed India out when she was almost broke. A small emotional appeal at that time for all Non-Residents to invest in Foreign Currency bonds did prove vital. Now with the situation reversing has the Government reciprocated in announcing anything which will provide temporary relief to Non-Residents. Most Non-Residents have to fend for themselves, once out of the country, our Embassies, soft negotiators that we are, almost can never negotiate better human rights compared to smaller countries like Philippines, Pakistan, Sri-Lanka. Mostly our Embassies are in crisis management mode and hardly pro-active. A small attempt is being made only now with tighter controls in immigration rules. Our Embassies abroad even contradict the term 'National Integration' by encouraging cultural activities and associations based on states. In the name of culture they are all out dividing the country. The only service they do noteworthy as the Indian Embassy is to issue or renew the common blue color Indian passport. Today Non-Residents Indians and Goans need concrete answers from the state and central governments about the consequences of the strong rupee, policy for the Non-Resident Generation Next, voting rights, tax laws, education for Non-Residents Generation Next, pension schemes. After all the biggest contribution Non-Residents have made towards the country other than the bringing in foreign currency, is in solving the employment problem faced by Indi
[Goanet] Hinduism - many Gods? (revised) and Caste.
Hi Nasci, All the below logic is 'water on duck's back' for him. He cannot get it into his head that the root of the problem comes from our Hindu origin, and unless and until the Hindu system is dismantled, this system will prevail. What makes a Hindu? believing in the Planets or giving names to the planets. Attacking Indian core culture is too much for some nincompoops to handle so they dig where the mud is soft ie the Catholic caste culture which is ALREADY disintegrating among the young Catholics, but Cornel is making a big noise in its dying stages (he has nothing better to do in his old age), so that he can say 'I MADE ALL THE NOISE' therefore 'WOOF the caste system just went away, because of ME' (egotistical maniac). ED. Nasci Caldeira said: Hi Cornel, One is 'born' into a caste, say a brahmin caste or a chardo or a shatriya and so on. So accordingly when a Hindu brahmin converts to Christian Bamon, he cannot shed his caste for the simple reason that he is born into it. But what he can shed and actively do away with, is 'his Casteism' and attitude towards others and help in the eradication of the evil effects of casteism. This has been happening and now with democracy and education it is happening at a very fast pace! What I am trying to point out here is that the eradication of 'casteism' and caste apologists, is taking place, and is near its end among Catholic Goans, but NOT AT ALL AMONG HINDUS in Goa and in India in general. - Sent from Yahoo! - a smarter inbox.
Re: [Goanet] Another illegal construction?
On Sun Jan 20 20:38:02 PST 2008, Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: I asked the Batim villagers below and they said the house is being constructed by someone from Delhi.. Then he revealed that this house is being built by one Kiran Dhingra. RESPONSE: Kiran?? Did you say Kiran Dhingra?? Could it be this Kiran Dhingra?? Ms Kiran Dhingra (dhingrak ias.nic.in) celebrated her birthday last week - half way there.. http://www.indianbuzz.com/index.php?section=home 1) IAS Officer - Class of 1975 - Director General of Shipping, Govt. of India - Chief Secretary, Govt of Goa - Secretary of Transportation, Govt of Delhi (circa 1996) - Development Commisioner, Andaman & Nicobar Islands 2) Author - The Andaman and Nicobar Islands in the Twentieth Century: A Gazetteer Kiran Dhingra is with the Indian Administrative Service and presently Chief Secretary of Goa (circa 2006). She was posted in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands for a period of about three years (1992-5) as Development Commissioner. She spent another year-and-a-half touring the islands extensively when she was commissioned by the Andaman and Nicobar Islands Administration to compile this gazetteer. 3) Hired!! (Feb 22, 2005) http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2005-February/025118.html 4) Fired!! (Jan 18, 2006) http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-January/038250.html http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-February/039020.html References: http://www.amazon.ca/Andaman-Nicobar-Islands-Twentieth-Century/dp/0195670531/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200891489&sr=1-1 http://www.rff.org/Documents/RFF-DP-05-48.pdf http://www.executiveship.com/newslett-apr07PDF.pdf (Photo) Thank you GoogleManiacs!!!
[Goanet] TRIBUTE TO OUR MUCH LOVED ANA.
Here is my Tribute which I have written for my dear sis-in-law (my brother's wife) Ana who expired after a brief illness of deadly cancer, six months back. I would appreciate if this is in included on the 22nd January as it is her Birthday. Thanks again and God Bless. Keep the good work that you are doing!! Arlette Azavedo Mapcua. Contact..9422061766 A TRIBUTE TO OUR MUCH LOVED ANA The Lord plucked the most precious flower from our garden; He found Ana most pleasing to His heart and took her away to be amongst the beautiful flowers in His garden. The Lord shall nourish Ana with His gentle hands. Ana our dearly beloved..you have touched our hearts. Standing in shock and awe, we wipe our tears. As the "homegoing" news of our loved one we heard, our hearts ache as we wonder why? From our happy home God has taken one we loved most, Ana was too young to die. There were so many things for her to do. We little knew that fateful evening that God was going to call her name. In Life we loved you, Ana dearly; in death we do the same. It breaks our hearts to lose you, Ana you did not go alone, for part of us went with you, the day God called you home. You left us beautiful memories your love is still our guide, and although we cannot see you, you are always at our side. Our family chain is broken and nothing seems to be the same, but as God calls us one by one, the chain will link again. Your memories of laughing, charming smile, warmth and the unconditional love that you gave so freely and without compromise, shall remain with us for eternity. Your ability to love showed how big a heart you had. You were only one of its kind which we shall never ever find in this whole wide world. You were so vivacious and ready to lend your helping hand. There was never sadness in your eyes only happiness which you used to spread where ever you went. Your smile was your forte and you could turn a gloomy situation into an enchantment. Your simplicity and gentleness was a gift from above. You were strength to us and I shall never forget all the things that you have done to me, specially. For me, you were not just my sister-in-law, but also my friend, you were always there for me, for this you will always be in our hearts, and every time I picture you Ana, I smile. I know that you are still there watching over everyone you love and making sure that we are ok, and happy. You have left a rich heritage behind and that is Abigail and Ashton where you taught them the morals and values of life. Your bright eyes, and a tender smile and a loving heart knew no guile, Deep trust in God you had, You had the joy to make some other's lives bright, Your gentle act of love you showed us with no thought of yourself but of the others. On that Sunday, God came and took you to a beautiful new home where you will never feel pain again, for this I am glad, because you so much deserve to be that wonderful person that we will always remember the Ana full of resilient energy and just being you. Ofcourse, we all miss you very much, specially on your Birthday on 22nd January, but we know that you are in God's home now, and that you are happy, healthy, and watching over us all. God gave us an Angel in YOU, and we will always be so thankful, and every time we look at the stars, or the bright white clouds in the clear sky, we will remember you, and your eternal love. I know you share heaven with the Lord. Ana, I shall not say that you are dead, you are just away; with a cheery smile and a wave of the hand you have wandered into an unknown land. You are God's Precious child, swept away by Angels on a Heavenly flight. You are loved, missed nevertheless your memories carry us through, as the Angles have carried you. You are borne away from pain and sorrow to a nobler rest above. No one knows how much we miss you, none but aching hearts can tell; lost on earth, but found in heaven. Your dearly loved Asterio, Abigail and Ashton and all your family members shall recall your smiling and pleasant face knowing that someday, we shall clasp our hands in a better place, never to part again. This is a tribute to my dearly beloved Ana, who was one of the most wonderful person anyone could ever meet. She was always full of life, love and happiness, and I truly miss her with all my heart. Ana, you have left us; however, you truly have left a special imprint in our lives. Though it hurts to lose a loved one, it is most painful to grieve. Rather, we remember the blessings our dear Ana has left behind, with so many wonderful memories. Finally, I quote Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the moments that take our breath away. And in the end, it's not the years in our lives that count. It's the life in our years. Missing youtill date. Arlette & Valeriano ARLETTE AZAVEDO
Re: [Goanet] Domnick, Goa's own Garrincha
Bosco is right. I am mentioned the match many a times on this forum. Once again, the tie-breaker between Goa vs Bengal was held at the Tilak Maidan, Vasco, before noon. Yeah, Bernard ballooned the ball and then went to the centre of the ground and lay with his face down on the ground. I was present at the match as I covered the tournament. If I remember correctly, there was a some sort of tie regarding points and lots were drawn for teams. To Goa's bad luck, they met Bengal. I know the second semifinal featured Punjab but forget who the rivals were. There was lot of heartburning in the Goa camp. It later dawned on them that they should have made one lot shorter and asked the Goa captain to draw it first as to avoid meeting Bengal in the semis. As for Edgar's mentioning that Bernard owned a store in Dhobitalao is not correct. Dhobi Talao, particularly the Irani restaurants Kyani and Bastani, was the haunt of Goan footballers. Bernard and his cousin Arthur, who played for Orkay, were the regulars at these restaurants. Kyani was my favourite just as it was Bosco's father, JP. It was here that one heard football gossip. As for Vasco's Dominic, he was indeed a fine ballplayer. He came from East Africa and earned quick reputation in Goa. He dazzled with his footwork, ball glued to his left foot. Be initiated fine moves and often feed the Vasco forwards, Bernard and Andrew, with great chances to score. The way Dominic moved from his winger's position into the middle, his eyes roaming the field while carrying the ball deftly in a limpish movement. I am not aware if he had any defect in his left leg or if it was shorter. Perhaps, it was his style that created the impression that he was shortlegged. Whatever the case, he was a treat to watch. I spoke to him a couple of times. But I was still not into sportswriting when he was in his peak. He seemed a gentleman. I think he was from Saligoa, like another fine player from Dempo Francis D'Souza (nicknamed matari). Fred should be able to tell us where Dominic is and what he is doing right now. Eugene Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet] Chief Secy distributes cards to Goan expats
Sir, Could you please let me know how and where we can apply for this Goa Card. Thanks Angela Braganza
Re: [Goanet] Chief Secy distributes cards to Goan expats
How can we obtain one? Please give us the address. Thanks Alan Gomes Dubai
Re: [Goanet] Domnick, Goa's own Garrincha
To Goanet - Bosco, I may have got the games mixed up. Perhaps it was the E Bengal side (in which case it may have been the Bandodkar Trophy) which had stars like Habib and Bhowmik. Regards, r Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[Goanet] Internationally acclaimed Goan Cuisine Historian Maria Da
Dear Dr. Rao, I am interested in the history, influence and origins of Goan Food. I understand that Ms.Maria de Lourdes Bravo da Costa Rodrigues is the expert on this. Is there a way I can contact Ms. Rodriques by email? Let me introduce myself, I am Blanche Dias, I live in Sydney Australia, my husband Cesar Dias also a Goan originates from Margao, (Casa Filu's) Goa. We have lived outside of India for the past 30 years, (Kuwait, USA, Canada and now Australia) however pride and love for our roots has moved us to start "Casa De Goa" in Sydney, Australia and share our heritage with others. Casa De Goa is a registered company that blends and bottles Goan Spice Pastes that are a concentrate and are traditional recipes handed down over the years. We have now started a Goan Restaurant in Australia called "Casa De Goa" the idea is to bring old home recipes to other Goans who miss home and also to put "Goan Cuisine" on the shelves next to other international products. Recently Mr.Alloy Longuinhos from the Longuinhos hotel in Goa visited Australia and was surprised to find Goan Fish Paste in Australia that was superior to products sold in Goa. I am planning to do a "Fusion" recipe book using Goan spice paste and would appreciate any assistance on the origins of Xec-Xec and Xacuti. I have researched various sites on the origination of recipes and their entry into the world of "Goan Cuisine". Thank you for your time and attention, Blanche Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] inane questions?
Chimay Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The reason I didnt answer your silly question is > because it would only embolden to ask more such > idiotic questions. > Please dont waste your time asking me questions. I am > not going to answer you till you significantly raise > the standard of your discourse Chinmay Bhandare or the acceptable (by your own words) Chinmay Bhandari, Congratulations! Congratulations because In the fourteen years that I have been on Goanet, this is the most cowardly reply I have ever got. The reply that you de-throned was from one Mario Goviea who said that he only had the courage to read my posts when he was "stumbling around." The USA today celebrates Martin Luther King's day. MLK's crusade was against the people who did not like to hear questions. These people were unable to understand the questions and, as a result, got buried. Sadly, I think to fit well into this category. You can read more about questions, and how to avoid them at your peril at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King Mervyn3.0 Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
[Goanet] Cheap Flights
Yes, one can get really cheap flights. Sometimes it doesn't make sense what you're paying for the distance. I'm flying to Calcutta by Indigo, from Goa via Hyderabad and the fare is Rs. 2,700. Leave Goa at 1750 pm, one hour wait in Hyderabad and then to Calcutta arriving 1020 pm. Later to Guwahati by Kingfisher airlines, flight time 1 hr 15 min Rs. 2550/-. Does this make sense? Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami
[Goanet] Pick of the Day
PICK OF THE DAY: The NRI Commissioner's office spent Rs.4,64,011 to fly in seven non-resident Goans, who wouldn't care a fig if Goa disappeared from the face of the earth, except to moan over the loss of their ancestral homes and properties which they abandoned for greener pastures, to attend the Global Goans Convention, 2007. Lionel Messias writes in the Gomantak Times of 21/01/2008 Related News: Eminent Goans Feted Dr Alfredo Bruto da Costa, former Minister for Health and Social Welfare, Portugal. Dr Narana Coisorro, former Deputy Speaker of the Portuguese Parliament and present President of the Institute of Oriental Studies, Lisbon. Fitz de Souza, a freedom fighter, colleague of Kenyan leader Jomo Kenyatta and Dy Speaker of the Parliament of Kenya. Was awarded the Pravasi Bharatiya Sanman Puraskar by the President of India in 2004. Justice Wolfango Dourado, former Attorney General of Tanzania and Chief Justice of the High Court of Zanzibar. Prof Damodar Sardessai, Emeritus Professor of History, University of California, USA. Patricia Rozario, eminent opera singer knighted by the Queen of England with the OBE. Awarded the Asian Women's Award for Achievement in Arts. Leslie de Melo, artist, sculptor and painter, recipient of several awards from the Ministry of Arts, Government of Austria. Neville Rocha, chairman and CEO of the transnational corporation Fijutsu, Australia, and an acknowledged authority on IT and Telecommunications. More news on the website www.globalgoans.org.in (Always read THE GOMANTAK TIMES) - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter (Since 1994) archived at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans/ Moderated by Gaspar Almeida & presented by Ulysses Menezes www.goa-world.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
[Goanet] Bodgeshwar zatra at Mapusa today
Bodgeshwar zatra at Mapusa today NT News Service Mapusa Jan 20, 2008 The 2-day Bodgeshwar zatra at Mapusa will be held from tomorrow and will continue till Friday on account of Satyanarayan Pooja being offered on each day by various business groups from Mapusa. The installation ceremony of Lord Bodgeshwar was held today with various rituals like purification sanctity being conducted thereafter. Lord Bodgeshwar who is considered the guardian of Mapusa city is worshipped not only by the people of Mapusa but the entire Bardez taluka. According to some legends Bodgeshwar has been appointed as the guardian of Mapusa by Goddess Shantadurga who is now at Dhargalim. It is believed by the people of Mapusa, that Bodgeshwar reaches out to all his devotees in distress, provided they call out with faith. The statue of Bodgeshwar at the temple in Mapusa has a shaft in his hand, which according to a common belief means that Bodgeshwar helps the lost ones to reach their homes and then as a sign of relief bangs the shaft on the floor and vanishes. For many, Bodgeshwar although being helpful is invisible however, many claim to have seen his mashaal but some claim to have seen him in various forms and comes to rescue his devotees in distress. The zatra which used to earlier be of a single day is now of two days, however, as different business groups offer their thanksgiving due to which the festivities are carried on for five days. (The Navhind Times) Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter (Since 1994) archived at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans/ Moderated by Gaspar Almeida & presented by Ulysses Menezes www.goa-world.com - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Chief Secy distributes cards to Goan expats
Hello Mr Eduarado Faleiro, My name is Mrs Georgina Fernandes. I am a Goan and have a house in Candolim and at the moment working & residing in Kuwait. I have been in Kuwait for nearly 30 years. I am very happy you are issuing Goa card to NRI Goans. How can my family and myself apply for such a card. Thanks On 1/21/08, Goanet News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=01195 > > Chief Secy distributes cards to Goan expats > > NT News Desk > > Panaji, Jan 18 The Commissioner for NRI Affairs, Mr Edurado Faleiro > said that to ensure that Goan expatriates were given faster access and > attention by the government departments as and when they approached > them during their short stay in Goa, the office of the Commissioner > for NRI Affairs decided to issue them 'Goa Card.' > > "Goan expatriates usually come to Goa once a year and these visits > normally last for about 10 to 15 days before they return to the > country where they are employed," he further said. > > This card he said would have particulars of the concerned individual, > including the photo for easy identification. > > Mr Faleiro was speaking during the distribution of cards to the Goan > expatriates at the Chamber of Commissioner for NRI Affairs at > Secretariat, Porvorim today. > > 26 cards were disbursed to the expatriates, which include 15 from > Kuwait, 5 from United Kingdom, 4 from Canada, and one each from > Bahrain and Australia. > > The Chief Secretary, Mr J P Singh distributed the cards to the Goan > expatriates. > > Development Commissioner and Secretary NRI, Mr Anand Prakash, > chairman, Overseas Employment Agency, Vice Admiral John D'Silva, > Director, NRI Affairs, Mr U D Kamat and others were present. > > Mr Faleiro said he was grateful to the Chief Minister and the Chief > Secretary for having issued a circular advising all head of > departments to honour the Goa Card by providing the card holders with > expeditious access and attention, as and when they frequent the > departments for redressal of their grievances. > > He said, several commercial establishments such as hotels, travel > agencies, hospitals and other establishments have offered discounts on > the Goa Card ranging from 10 per cent to 40 per cent. > > As of today 25 such establishments have offered discounts and several > others have shown interest in providing similar discounts to Goa Card > holders. > -- GEORGINA
[Goanet] Goan Politics - disjointed comments
"Congress sources said a proposal for merger of Alemao's party into the Congress is also being discussed...Save Goa Front had two members in the 40 member assembly and Alemao was in the Congress till last year and was an MP from Goa." "Minister for Public Works Churchill Alemao, who heads the two-member Save Goa Front, and unattached United Goan Democratic Party MLA Atanasio Monserrate rushed to Delhi on Sunday with a proposal to merge their outfits with the Congress in a bid to scuttle the induction of Mr. Dhavlikar" "The two MGP MLAs and Independent MLA Anil Salgaoncar, who had aligned with the Bharatiya Janata Party after Assembly elections last year, also declared their support for the government." RESPONSE: Somebody here referred to Goa's MLAs as monkeys. I think the above demonstrate our MLAs outdo the monkeys - they can swing further, faster and higher!! Lets not forget the CM, who has had his days playing kabbadi too!! "The situation prevailing in Goa is worst than Pakistan and I wonder whether the Congress top leaders Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh and Shivraj Patil are party to it," Parrikar said. RESPONSE: So who are the militants? Are we going to have an assassination too? Parrikar alleged that the Governor, Chief Minister and Speaker had made a "mockery of democracy and the constitution" in Goa. RESPONSE: Tch-tch-tch!! Look who's talking?? Is this not the one who engineered the last fiasco 7 months ago?? Hallo GBA!!! Halloo!!! Do Goenkars suffer from amnesia en masse?? Or are we just too indifferent to the malaise of our times?? - Bosco References: http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7353&cid=26 http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200801202070.htm http://www.hindu.com/2008/01/21/stories/2008012160020100.htm
[Goanet] About Global Goan Convention 2007
About Global Goan Convention 2007 The NRI Commissioner Office spent Rs.4,64,011 to fly in seven non-resident Goans, who would not care a fig if Goa disappeared from the face of earth, except to moan over the loss of their ancestral homes and properties which they abandoned for greener pastures , to attend the global Goan Convention 2007 Rs.1,39,380 on Dr. Wolfango Dourado and his wife from ZanZibar in Tanzania. Rs.87,615 on Dr. Damodar Sardesai of California Rs.76,480 on Dr. narayan Coissoro who left Goa in 1949 for Portugal Rs.67, 656 on Neville Roche from Sydney Rs.45,950 on Fitz DSouza from Nairobi Rs.56,480 on Leslie De Melo from Viena Rs.60,480 on Mrs Patricia Rosario, OBE, from UK Taken from GT dtd 21/01/08 Column EYE SPY by Lionel What about the money spent on their accommodation at Cidade de Goa ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa or http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419 __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com
