[Goanet] Politicians from Goa, assets, liabilities, criminal cases...
This list clearly disputes Mr Coutinho's statement that Goa is doomed. In Goa, obviously someone with a 5th or 10th standard education can amass a fortune worth over crores. No where else in the world is this possible ergo Goa is not doomed it is headed into the 21st century as a confident state of India. Best, Selma
[Goanet] Song for the day
Bobby Rydellhttp://www.youtube.com/artist?a=GxdCwVVULXcQMuCL4nk7yGEYJvRhfJTkfeature=watch_video_title-Forget Him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTg3fbYGuY4feature=related -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
[Goanet] FRIDAY BALCAO to focus on People's preparedness participation in Disaster Management in Goa.
-- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO the fortnightly discussion event since 1999 --- Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet, We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 13th May from 4pm. to 6pm. at Goa Desc Resource Centre No.11, Liberty Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa. TOPIC: People’s preparedness participation in Disaster Management in Goa. SPEAKER:Open Discussion We invite you to express your viewpoint by attending the FRIDAY BALCAO. If you cannot attend, then please send your views and action plan suggestions by email to goad...@gmail.com best wishes, Roland Martins --- Don't miss out on the discussion. Information is power, Share it equitably. Lets make things happen in Goa !! --- GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mail to: goad...@gmail.com
[Goanet] Daily Grook #944
DAILY GROOK #944 BEAU WOE by Francis Rodrigues she could not sack either darling guy, they neck-and-neck were her beau'tie! *GREAT ALL-OCCASION GIFT* http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com sheet-music,tab,lyrics,chords of great Konkani pop hits GOA: PEDRO FERNANDES: Tel.2226642 FURTADOS: Tel.2223278 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=119017685910
Re: [Goanet] Is Goa doomed?
Fri, 06 May 2011 12:53:38 -0700, Gabe Menezes wrote: QUESTION : Which side of the coin would that be? ANS : I am confused myself, as both sides of the coin are same… Maybe it should read : “ Here we see two same sides of a coin….” On Thu May 5 16:27:11 PDT 2011 manuel tavares duketa at bell.net wrote: Here we see two sides of the same coin, We see Rupert Coutinho who has all but given up hope and seems to have washed his hands off Goa and we have Carmen Miranda who despite the gloom still holds out hope that Goa can be saved…. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
[Goanet] Fw: YouTube - Fiddler on the roof - If I were a rich man (with subtitles)
First in the series of West End and Broadway shows. If I were a rich man from 'Fiddler on the Roof' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHZFYpQ6nc
Re: [Goanet] Politicians from Goa, assets, liabilities, criminal cases...
Roland, These figures are as obviously stated by politicians during the elections. As we all know, under-declaring is a chronic problem. If you click on each name, you will get details about their acknowledged assets and the worth of each. But what is the use of merely taking pot shots in very general terms over cyberspace? It would make a lot of sense if some citizens' panel had undertaken a detailed analysis of each claim, and showed up the obvious loopholes. The values of some apartments claimed is laughable. At the same time, a politician owning crores in properties was named by the Congress to decide land ceilings in Goa (which tenancy was speedily decided, and applied very inconsistently across Goa in the 1960s, this, not surprisingly, never got done!) FN On 7 May 2011 04:51, Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com wrote: A hilarious Mickey Mouse list if I ever saw one! For assets multiply each figure about 50 to 60 times and for criminal cases multiply by 25 to arrive at felonies committed. That will bring it closer to the truth. If you include another column Swiss Bank Accounts there would be more red figures against each of the 40 Thieves.
[Goanet] Candids in Vagator
To Goanet - http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2011/05/07/candids-in-vagator/ Regards, r
[Goanet] INSTALLATION OF CHINESE DOPLER RADAR AT PANAJI MATEREOLOGICAL CENTRE STALLED
*SHANTARAM NAIK M.P.* *(Member of Rajya Sabha)* *GOA ADDRESS:* *2137, Near Swami Math, Gogol,* *Margao, GOA 403 602* *Tel: 0832-2759555* *Fax: 0832-2724136* *9422439990* *DELHI ADDRESS: * *602, **BRAHMAPUTRA**, * *12-13, Dr. BISHAMDAS Marg, * *Near Gol Dak Khana, * *New Delhi**.* *Delhi Tel: 011-23766505* *09868181344 * *E-mail:shantaram.n...@sansad.nic.in* * * *INSTALLATION OF CHINESE DOPLER RADAR AT PANAJI MATEREOLOGICAL CENTRE STALLED* Date: 07/05/2011 FOR THE FAVOUR OF PUBLICATION Panaji Meteorology Centre, Panaji, is without a Dopler Radar since the Chinese Doplar Radar which was proposed to be installed at Panaji has been stalled for technical reasons. Mr. Shantaram Naik M.P. who has been seeking proper upgradation of Panaji Matereological Centre since last three years, visited the Meteorology Centre, at Panaji, on Friday, said that, since Government of India has decided, it is learnt, not to install Chinese Radars in certain areas in the country, which includes Goa, there is an urgent need that Goa should get an indigenously manufactured radar, namely by Bharat Electronics Ltd., and further said that he will approach the Minister of Science and Technology, Shri Pawan Kumar Bansal for the purpose. Mr. Naik said that a building for the purpose of installing the Chinese radar has already been constructed at the Meteorology Centre, Panaji, and that, a few changes in the structure of the building may have to be made for installing the indigenously manufactured radar. Mr. Naik said that it is unfortunate that despite the up-gradation of Panaji Meteorology Observatory to Meteorology Centre in 2007, the up-gradation has remained only on paper as, the Panaji Centre has not been provided with the staff required to man a Matereological Centre. Although, radar functioning at Mumbai Meteorology Centre, it is said, covers Goa Region, yet, considering the relevance and location of the state on the west coast of India, the Meteorological Centre at Panaji should have a separate radar for accurate weather predictions, Mr Naik said. At the Panaji Metrological Centre, Mr. Naik discussed various issues with the Deputy Director General of Matereology, Regional Matereological Centre, Mumbai , Dr. R.V.Sharma who was on a visit to the State and Shri K.V.Singh, Director, Metrological Centre, Panaji. Mr. Naik was accompanied by Shri Gurudas Natekar, Secretary, Goa PCC. RELEASED THROUGH THE OFFICE OF SHANTARAM NAIK M.P. Caption of the Photograph attached: Mr. Shantaram Naik discussing a point with Deputy Director, Dr. R.V.Sharma. also seen in the photograph are Shri K.V.Singh, Director, Goa Metrological Centre and Shri Gurudas Natekar, Secretary, Goa PCC
[Goanet] Child should Learn Konkani
Hi Goanetters, We all should allow our children to learn English Medium and one Konkani Book with Roman and Devnagri script print side by side (one page Devnagri other page Roman script). No child will be left behind without knowing Konkani Language. Every child has his/her own choice to learn and we all should give them what is the easy and easy. Jai Konkani Jai Goa. Regards, Mario Vicente Santos Pereira, Email: m_pere...@qp.com.qa Message: 11 Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 11:05:47 +0530 From: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falc?o drferdina...@hotmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org, i...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] English Medium Schools. Message-ID: snt131-w278774aeafd77090beeb66cf...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 KBM warns Cong against grants to English medium schools; http://www.navhindtimes.in/goa-news/kbm-warns-cong-against-grants-english-medium-schools The English Language is the Official language of the Republic of India along with Hindi. And in States where Hindi is not the official language, English is to be used for all official and other purpose for communication with other States and the Centre. Read here: THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGES ACT, 1963 http://www.languageinindia.com/april2002/officiallanguagesact.html KBM should realise that our children have a future whereas they have not. They are a step away from their grave. No child gets an education by basking on the past history and tradition. Our children need to be well conversant in the English Language both for National and International purpose. Intention of depriving our children a thorough knowledge, diction and fluency of the English language will force us to label KBM as anti-National. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falc?o. Regards, Mario Vicente Santos Pereira, Email: m_pere...@qp.com.qa * This e-mail and any attachments are confidential to the addressee and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail, you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it in any way what so ever. If you have received this e-mail by mistake, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message, and delete the original and any print out thereof.
Re: [Goanet] Konkani before 1961
Dear Prof Borges, Thanks for your reply and pointing out to the book. But, for the purpose of continuing this debate here, what would be *your* reply? If take the debate from the online world to the printed page, it wouldn't allow as many to participate. FN On 5 May 2011 09:57, Sebastian Borges s_m_bor...@yahoo.com wrote: (ii) Could you enlighten us on why Goembab started by writing in Romi Konkani and then shifted to Devanagari? Just curious... FN Reply: Dear FN, (ii) Please read the biography, Shenoi Goembab (in Konkani) by R. N. Naik, or its Translation in English (2007) by S. M. Borges, both published by Sahitya Akademi, New Delhi. Regards, Sebastian Borges
[Goanet] GOA OBIT: Audrey Dias Almeida (Porvorim), Fr Anil Soares, SJ
Audrey Dias Almeida (Porvorim), teacher, Govt HS. b 1967. W/o Newton (UK) Expired suddenly at Cheltenham. Funeral Alto Betim May 8. Carlos Albino Noronha (1933-2001), tenth death anniversary. From wife Filomena, children and their families. Adelaide Miranda e Dias, relict of Eusebio Mereciano Dias. Services at Holy Spirit Church, Margao May 8 at 4 pm Lourenco Thomas Fernandes, Taleigao. B 1944. H/o Eugene, father of Savio, Suzie, Sharleen. F-i-l of Emelda. G'father of Eva. Hermenegildo Martins (Carlos), Bamado, Chinchinim. Husband of Nora (Tr of Rosary HS, Navelim). Expired suddenly. Rosa S'ta Maria Colaco e Pereira, Mazilv, Benaulim b, 1938. M/mil of Alex, Maria, Xavier/Rosy, Pasquela/Anth, Michael, Rsrio (Dubai), Remy. Joana (Maria) Pereira e Fernandes, b 1918 of Mazilvado, Benaulim. Funeral May 7, for Holy Trinity, Benaulim at 9.30 am Joana (Maria) Pereira e Fernandes, b 1918 of Mazilvado, Benaulim. Funeral May 7, for Holy Trinity, Benaulim at 9.30 am Adv Rajendra @ Raja Vasant Pai Raikar (56) of Mulgao, Sanguem and Aquem, Margao. Funeral May 7 at Aquem for Mathagramastha Crematorium 11 am Claudio Coutinho, Porbavaddo, Calangute (1950-2011). Husband of Merciana, f/o Domni, Annabel and Richard. Funeral May 7, 2.45 pm, Calangute Seby Fernandes, Sirlim. Son of late Emilio and Lucy. Funeral May 7 4 m at Sirlim, Salcete. Jerson Braganza, Fatorda (1969-2011). Husband of Elsa. Expired under tragic circumstances. RECENT DEATHS: Fr Anil Soares sj, former principal of St Britto's Mapusa, and popular educationist. Son of Aloysius Soares, educator, Aldona Rajesh Sadashiv Naik of Batora-Curtorim. S/o Sadashiv Shankar and Shobhavati. Expired on May 4. Funeral at Pajifond Margao crematorium May 5 Napoleao P Pereira, b 1945. Batim-Maina (Goa Velha). Funeral held on May 6 to OL of Guadalupe Church, Batim Martin Pexiote (Milton), Gonval Xeldem, Qeupem, b 1990. Funeral on May 5 from Quepem. Martin Pexiote, remembered by staff of Sundowner Holiday Inn Resort, Mobor, Goa Floripes Gomes e Fernandes, b 1923. of St Estevam. Funeral on May 5 to St Stephen's Church. John Joseph Rodrigues (Bicholim, Shiroda), b 1937. Funeral from residence near Bicholim Petrol Pump May 5. Carolina Maria Fernandes, b 1942. Goncoi, Aldona (Calvim). W/o late Francis Manuel Fernandes, m/mil of Melwn/Zelia, Flory, Saida. Elio Fernandes, Telaulim, Navelim. Month's Mind. Tks to all Goans in the US for attending funeral etc. and Mainland Medical Centre, TX. Pascoal Rodrigues, Green Hill Valley. b 1937. Ex-employee of Sesa Goa, Sanquelim. Funeral in Porvorim, May 5. Teofilo Luis Antão. Ex-VM Salgaocar Bro, Vasco. Fatorda/Carmona. Month's mind on May 6, 2011 at 7.30 am at Carmona. Stephen J Fernandes, Natasha Classic Bldg, Old Goa. b 1974. Funeral on May 6 at Se Cathedral. Memorial Mass, May 11, 7 30 am, Se Cathedral. João Luis Monserrate. First death anni. May 6. Holy Cross Church, Santa Cruz. Rev Sr Bertha D'Gama, FMA, 3rd death anniversary. Mass on May 6 at 8 am, St Thomas Church, Aldona. Offered by Salesian Sisters, Carona. Pascoal Rodrigues (Uncle). Rachol, Sanquelim, Porvorim. Ana Maria Po, Carmichem Bhat Merces. b. 1934. Expired suddenly. Wife of Late Alexandre Antonio Fernandes. Irwin (Arvindo) Sebastian Carvalho, b 1940. Mill-owner, Velsao. Husband of Mariequinha Martins e Carvalho. f/o Savio, Siano and Sonia. Irwin (Arvindo) Sebastian Carvalho, b 1940. Mill owner, Velsao. Mrs Rama Dwarkabhai Patel, Alto Betim. Expired May 6, cremated same day. Besana on May 8, 10 am at Shraddha Row Villa, Patel Estate, Betim Laxman Kadam, retired asst Director of Sports, Goa. B 1939. H/o late Nalini Kadam. Funeral from Dhavali to Ponda crematorium 10 am May 7. Management and staff of Hotel Aroma, Panjim deeply mourn the death of their employee Piedade D'Silva. Sara Leonildes Caldeira, Merces. b 1928. Wife of late Socrates (Babush). Funeral from Merces Vaddy, May 8, 4.30 pm Piedade D'Silva, b 1955. W/o late Rosario D'Silva. Expired peacefully on May 6. Funeral at Mankely, Shiroda May 7. Goanet, a virtual Goa in cyberspace http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-news-goanet.org GOAOBIT [http://twitter.com/goaobit] is compiled by Goanet volunteers. To circulate an obituary message (or a tribute) to a loved one, post your details to ad...@goanet.org with a cc to goao...@gmail.com If you knew someone whose life deserves to be celebrated, write a tribute (preferably in under 600 words) and post it to the above addresses. Goanet is a community service venture, launched in 1994, and which believes in building social capital for Goa.
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Some City news in Pics
Talking Photos: Some City news in Pics May I help you? Information kiosk on the pavements Miramar beach http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk39/5695746214/sizes/l/ earlier, at Miramar beach we had this from Goa Tourism http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirtypanjim4/4852501028/ This one at KTC Panjim http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk39/5695169709/ Summer festival 2011 At jardin Garcia de Orta http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk39/5695749054/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk39/5695748094/sizes/l/ Youngsters, bring plenty of stones should you fancy eating mangoes in the garden http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk39/5695747156/sizes/l/ A boxing ring spotted at Campal grounds http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk39/5695209591/ King Heron on his throne http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk39/5688826926/ Mango king now Rs.300 per doz (Med. Size) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk39/5695170523/ Small size Rs,200 Big size Rs,500 Extra: My favourite Gajar Ka Halwa http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk39/5688876860/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] ONLY TWO GOA GOVT OFFICIALS BOOKED FOR CORRUPTION IN 2010
In 2010 only two government officials were booked by the Anti-Corruption Branch of the Goa Government. This has been revealed in the information furnished under the Right to Information Act by the Goa Government’s Directorate of Vigilance. The two officials booked for corruption are Mr. P.K.Patidar, Registrar of Co-operative Societies and Mr. Subhash Velip, a Talathi in the office of the Mamlatdar at Quepem. This only goes to show that the Anti Corruption branch had become dysfunctional as it was being controlled and manipulated by the politicians in power. Goa’s top most priority should be the setting up of a Lokayukta to curb the rampant corruption that has become the biggest obstacle to the State’s overall development and prosperity. Meanwhile the Superintendent of Police F.A.M Fernandes has also informed under the Right to Information Act that in 2010 only seven cases of Economic Offences were registered by the Economic Offences Cell. Aires Rodrigues T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat Ribandar - Goa - 403006 Mobile: 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Politicians from Goa, assets, liabilities, criminal cases...
Frederick Noronha wrote: But what is the use of merely taking pot shots in very general terms over cyberspace? It would make a lot of sense if some citizens' panel had undertaken a detailed analysis of each claim, and showed up the obvious loopholes FN, please give us a break. What analysis do you want of this list? It is pretty self-explanatory, people with 5th standard education can become Ministers and the Minister for Education is a 10th standard (pass maybe). Ministers with criminal cases can continue to adjudicate the law of the land and obviously amass fortunes doing so. But why do we need to analyse lists? Don't we have a democracy where ministers who have led raids on police stations, st fire to restaurants, been caught with suit-case full of money at airports or gambling casinos, been implicated in drug cases, suicide cases, rape cases, mining illegalities and taking of bribes, still ruling the roost in Goa. And incase you think this happens in the rest of the world, let me assure you it DOES NOT. As Roland said, a while ago, even the hint of impropriety is enough to kill a politician's career elsewhere but not in Goa. In Goa, it only adds to his mystic and charm. And you want us to stop taking potshots in cyberspace and analyse lists? Cyberspace is all that is left to us Goans. Best, Selma
Re: [Goanet] Politicians from Goa, assets, liabilities, criminal cases...
Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: 'Ministers with criminal cases can continue to ADJUDICATE the law of the land' . (Caps added) COMMENT: Hello!? I know that the UK was trying to modify their system of elections. Did they (instead) modify the English language? jc
Re: [Goanet] Politicians from Goa, assets, liabilities, criminal cases
Selma should realize that education is not a criteria for any Indian to be elected to the assembly or parliament.. As long as a MP or MLA is not convicted of any crime, the person can continue to hold his noble seat. Poolan Devi, the Bandit Queen, got elected to parliament. Can there be any better example than this notorious gangster? Cases against some of the MLAs and ministers have remained in legal limbo, mostly in the Appeals Court. Thereby, these alleged criminals continue to serve in their positions. As a journalist, Fred should himself undertake the onerous task of analyzing the list. Underestimating their assets or hiding bank accounts is the name of the game when candidates file their nominations for electoral office. Does the election office has the resources, such as manpower, to investigate the candidates' disclosures? If the Enforcement Directorate or the Income-Tax Department is really serious of unearthing details on each of the candidates they could launch an investigation. I am not sure if these agencies need a court order or a police complaint. Maybe some like Aires could file a PIL against all the MLAs. A newspaper report in 2009 claimed that 24 per cent of Indian MPs have criminal charges against them. Besides our own ex-Chief Minister Churchill Alemao, the former Bihar CM and former Railways Minister Laloo Prasad Yadav has serious criminal charges against him. The only way in keeping our Goan MLAs and ministers out of office is to deny them electoral success. As past records show, it hasn't happened. If some of the notorious MLAs lose their seats in the next election it would be a miracle. Yes Fred, potshots don't count, votes do. And cyberspace is one medium where you can take potshots or shoot arrows at those who are in public offices. Haven't you taken potshots at these MLAs and ministers in your editorial pieces? Eugene Correia
[Goanet] Pledge in Konkani
Pledge in Konkani Bharat Des mhozo, Desant kon nhoi konancho. Guirest anikui Guirest zait assa, Konank ugdass hena goribancho. Guirest dol'ta jhellear, Gorib babdo bosla sompear. Guirestak nidh pod'na nidonk gellear, Ube ravon goribanchea mat'tear,Chod'don vochonk chintat Sorgar. Nitoll desant disam-dis vadtta gaan, Desak chortolleank vhodlo respett-maan. Mhojea desantllea bhav-bhoinanim mhaka chid'dun udoillo, Torui mhaka mhojea desacho Abhimaan! Mhozo Des Mahaan! Joel Morais P.O.Cuncolim, Bencleamvaddo, Salcette,Goa. Pin-403703 mob - 9970561727
Re: [Goanet] Politicians from Goa, assets, liabilities, criminal cases...
Selma has missed my point. Creating hot air in cyberspace is easy. Talking in *very general terms* or without any inaccuracy is easy. It can also be counterproductive, and undermine the legitimacy of dissent/criticism. (Somedays back Manuel 'Duketa' Taveres was calling Goa the most corrupt of all the Stated (sic) of India surpassing all other States. I asked for the basis of this claim and don't seem to have got a reply. We have corruption, no doubt. But why lean on hyperbole?) Also, do we need to be so overwhelmingly negative only? While we continuing carping, others *do*. We should appreciate the work of the group which placed all this information online. We need to see what *we* can do to contribute in a way that improves the situation. Take the case of Aires Rodrigues. I have criticised him in the past on Goanet. But as he keeps on hammering with his Right to Information applications, he sometimes deserves praise too especially (i) when he tackles wider trends, and not just certain individuals (ii) his digging up and sharing information has the real potential of changing things, even if initially only in a very tiny way. On another point (which Eugene has also noted), the educational level of a person are irrelevant in politics. His (seldom: her) honesty levels, commitment to the public welfare, awareness of long-term interests of the citizen, arrogance levels, approachability and ability to grasp issues, are crucial. Why make an issue about a poorly educated politician owning crores of assets? Are we suggesting that it's okay if well-educated politicians (and we have quite a few here -- FRCSs, IITians, BBAs, and what not) make money for themselves or their party? Would we get upset if a poorly educated businessman (or priest, for that matter) proves to be highly successful -- in money terms or otherwise? As far as proven corrupt or communal or casteist politicians staying in power, that has more to do with the fractured nature of Goan society (and also the fact that the media has long been a close part of local lobby groups). You can bet that if one set opposes something or something in Goa, you can find an equal lobby taking up a 180 degrees opposite position! That is our history; let's face it and not seek simplistic answers. Blaming politicians or freedom-fightes alone is no easy explanation. FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 (after 2pm) #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org On 7 May 2011 16:03, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: Frederick Noronha wrote: But what is the use of merely taking pot shots in very general terms over cyberspace? It would make a lot of sense if some citizens' panel had undertaken a detailed analysis of each claim, and showed up the obvious loopholes FN, please give us a break. What analysis do you want of this list? It is pretty self-explanatory, people with 5th standard education can become Ministers and the Minister for Education is a 10th standard (pass maybe). Ministers with criminal cases can continue to adjudicate the law of the land and obviously amass fortunes doing so. But why do we need to analyse lists? Don't we have a democracy where ministers who have led raids on police stations, st fire to restaurants, been caught with suit-case full of money at airports or gambling casinos, been implicated in drug cases, suicide cases, rape cases, mining illegalities and taking of bribes, still ruling the roost in Goa. And incase you think this happens in the rest of the world, let me assure you it DOES NOT. As Roland said, a while ago, even the hint of impropriety is enough to kill a politician's career elsewhere but not in Goa. In Goa, it only adds to his mystic and charm. And you want us to stop taking potshots in cyberspace and analyse lists? Cyberspace is all that is left to us Goans.
[Goanet] Blessed John Paul II
BLESSED JOHN PAUL II * IVO DA CONCEIÇÃO SOUZA (Margão) “Santo Subito! (Soon a Saint)” were the words to be read on several plackards on the day of the death itself of Pope John Paul II. They were the wish of the people who admired and loved him, in particular the youth. Today he is Blessed. He is really “The Great”. He is simply universal. John Paul II has left a rich legacy to the Church of tomorrow, to the society and to humanity. Pope Benedict XVI beatified him on May 1, 2011. When I heard about the novel of Morris West, Shoes of Fisherman, as a student, I was eager to see a Pope of such a calibre, during my lifetime, and succeeded. John Paul II has become a catalyst in the world history. The Pope has brought out the Gospel message and its values to the socio-political arena, to everyday life, to the man in the street. Karol Józef Wojtyla was a bright student, a good sportsman, an excellent actor, a strong worker, an excellent Professor of Philosophy, a good educationist, an honest diplomat, a true statesman, a holy priest, a good shepherd, an excellent bishop, a saintly Pope. He was simply great! In 1953 Karol defended a thesis on Evaluation of the possibility of founding a Catholic ethic on the ethical system of Max Scheler at Lublin Catholic University. Later on, he became professor of moral theology and social ethics in the Major Seminary of Krakow and in the Faculty of Theology of Lublin. His study of the theory of values of Max Scheler gave him a new vision, a holistic view of the human personality. He paid attention to human emotions, to love, particularly to married love. He published his concepts and reflections in his book Love and Responsibility, in 1960. The theme was the marital love, which cannot reify the human person for the sake of self-gratification. His play In front of the Jeweller’s shop was also on the topic of human relationship. He was concerned about families. As a sportsman, John Paul II was an athlete, played football as a goalkeeper, and enjoyed skiing and skimming. He mastered his physical energy, but in his last years he was mastered by his body, when he was sick with Parkinson’s disease. Cardinal Karol Wojtyla was Archbishop of Krakov in Poland, when he was elected Pope (the first non-Italian Pope in 455 years). As a statesman and a lover of his country, John Paul II returned to his Communist-ruled homeland on June 2-16, 1979. He favoured the rise of the Solidarity Movement and the work of Lech Walesa. As a leader of Christianity, John Paul II presented during his first solemn Mass in Saint Peter’s Square his programme in the unforgettable words: “Do not be afraid! Open, open wide the doors to Christ!” In the words of Pope Benedict XVI, “What the newly-elected Pope asked of everyone, he was himself the first to do: society, culture, political and economic systems he opened up to Christ, turning back with the strength of a titan – a strength which came to him from God – a tide which appeared irreversible. By his witness of faith, love and apostolic courage, accompanied by great human charisma, this exemplary son of Poland helped believers throughout the world not to be afraid to be called Christian, to belong to the Church, to speak of the Gospel. In a word: he helped us not to fear the truth, because truth is the guarantee of liberty. To put it even more succinctly: he gave us the strength to believe in Christ, because Christ is Redemptor hominis, the Redeemer of man”. This was the theme of his first encyclical, and the thread which runs though all the others. As a shepherd, since the start of his Pontificate on October 16, 1978, John Paul II has completed 102 pastoral visits outside of Italy and 144 within Italy. As Bishop of Rome, he has visited 301 of the 334 parishes. He came to Goa on February 5, 1986, and celebrated the Eucharist in Campal, with around two lakh people. He opened the Church to all. He visited the Synagogue on April 13, 1986, and called Jews “our beloved older brothers”. In May 2001 he visited Greece and in Athens he met Archbishop Christodoulos, the head of the Greek Orthodox Church. He was the first Roman Catholic Pope to visit and pray in an Islamic Mosque, in Damascus, Syria. He visited Umayyad Mosque, where John the Baptizer is believed to be interred. John Paul II was the first Pope to visit a mosque and also the first to enter a synagogue—he visited the synagogue of Rome on April 13, 1986. When he visited Israel in 2000, he asked forgiveness for sins committed against Christianity’s “elder brothers,” the Jews, which truly impressed Israelis there at the time, who also had heard of his heroic efforts to help save Jews in Poland during World War II. In his book Crossing the Threshold of Hope (1994), he connects the devastation of the “extermination of the Jews” [p. 150, his emphasis] with the Second Vatican Council call for
[Goanet] NEWS: Tracing Goan roots via DNA and ancient records (Yahoo, IANS)
Tracing Goan roots via DNA and ancient records By Indo Asian News Service | IANS – Tue, May 3, 2011 Panaji, May 3 (IANS) Where did the ancestors of today's Goans come from? Which routes did they take to arrive at this tourist paradise? A new book authored by a Switzerland-based Goan scientist answers these intriguing questions while searching for the roots of people from here. Titled 'The Last Prabhu' and published by Goa,1556, the book is authored by 65-year-old Bernardo Elvino de Sousa who traces his roots to the village of Aldona in Goa along coastal western India. Sousa, who has worked as a scientist for three-and-a-half decades in the chemical industry, says today it is easy to carry out DNA tests for haplogroups, which indicate one's ancestral migration routes, starting as long back as 60,000 years ago. Common ancestors going back eight or more centuries can also be identified. Sousa writes: 'Today...my origin can be traced back...to an African, the common male ancestor of the world's population whose descendants started migrating from northeast Africa, in the region of the Rift Valley, perhaps in present-day Ethiopia, Kenya or Tanzania, some 60,000 years ago.' He also looks at the DNA tests of half-a-dozen other Goans, whose results are available, and what this could mean. 'The first inhabitants of western India were those of haplogroup C, the seafaring coastal people who undertook the first migration out of Africa. With its accessible coastline, Goa would certainly be an optimal candidate for them to settle,' he was quoted as saying in a press note. He says whether the Mhars, traditional basket weavers, or the Kharwis (fishing populations) better fit the description of seafarers and were therefore the first inhabitants of Goa could be resolved by determining the haplogroups of these communities. He traces the entry of the influential Saraswat Brahmins into Goa, and narrates how DNA testing helped him locate a relative, Errol Pinto, from the same clan from Aldona village but who had migrated to the southern coastal city of Mangalore, today in Karnataka, generations ago. Sousa traces the ancestral names of some families in Aldona village in Goa, and relies on 17th century 'comunidade' meeting records to find out pre-conversion names of families now turned Catholic. 'Comunidades' is the term the Portuguese gave to the traditional 'gaunkari' system which ran agriculture on communal lines even before the 15th century, here as in some other parts of India. 'The Last Prabhu' suggests the religious conversion process might have also been strategic. Following the advent of Portuguese rule in Goa in 1510, changes in religion, a contentious subject, occurred here in subsequent centuries. Sousa writes: 'Some families chose a Solomonic path - half the family converted and the other half migrated to (what today is) Karnataka or other more welcoming destinations.' Other surprises emerge in this book. 'Brahmins all over India belong to quite different haplogroups and share these haplogroups with other varnas (castes) and in a lesser frequency with tribal populations,' writes Sousa, who has studied at St Xavier's College in Mumbai and the University of Fribourg in Switzerland. 'We can unambiguously conclude that there is no genetic basis whatsoever for the caste system in India and its origins must be attributed to other historical factors or possibly even just to happenstance,' he says. http://my.news.yahoo.com/tracing-goan-roots-via-dna-ancient-records-060510474.html BOOK COVER: http://bit.ly/jtkPdH ABOUT THE BOOK: http://bit.ly/iyffFD ORDER ONLINE: http://bit.ly/kxRUBC
[Goanet] NEWS: Goa village stands up to powerful mining lobby (Devika Sequeira, Deccan Herald)
Residents keep day-long vigil to stop trucks from transporting ore Goa village stands up to powerful mining lobby Devika Sequeira, CAUREM (QUEPEM), May 6, DHNS: A convoy of over a hundred empty trucks is lined up for a police inspection on the road from Sulcorna to Quepem impeding the flow of traffic. A month ago these trucks, overloaded with iron ore, would have made nearly a dozen trips each from the mines in Caurem to the barge loading point at Sanvordem. For three weeks now, the women of Caurem in Quepem taluk, South Goa have managed to keep the trucks from passing through their village, paralysing the transport of ore from mines operated by the Timblo owned Fomento Resources, Dinar Tarcar and Magnum. On 23 April, 98 villagers were arrested for blocking the road. But their fight, they say, has only just begun. In Goa where hundreds of villages have to bear the brunt of environmental costs of open cast mining, Caurem has become the symbol of spirited resistance, a nondescript farming village taking on the muscle of the moneyed and well-connected. “We would rather die than lose our lands. Where do they expect us to go?” asks Shelavati Velip. The mining is ruining the tribal village’s livelihood, destroying sacred groves and damaging the springs. Some 3,000 people live in Caurem, most survive on community farming. But there is absolutely nothing to harvest this year. The chilli bushes are dead, the turnips tubes have shrunk in the soil, the vegetables are singed. We walk through the fields to see banana trees layered with ore dust, coconut saplings dying. “We’ve lived here for generations, never quarrelled over land, or needed government jobs. How can we survive without our farming?” asks Parvati Shankar Velip. The village wants mining to stop, she says, not just the transportation of ore to be regulated. Propelled by the growing demand from China, Goa exported an unprecedented 55 million tonnes of iron ore this year. Royalty earnings alone fetched Rs 982 crore till March 2011, says Director of Mines Arvind Loliyekar. But Leader of Opposition Manohar Parrikar who has been monitoring the blatant leakages in royalties and violation of environmental guidelines by the industry says despite the hike in export duty from 5 per cent to 20 per cent, iron ore exports remains a hugely profitable business. “Their earnings which were in the region of Rs 5,000 crore last year, would have touched Rs 6,000 crore this year,” he says. Parrikar says considering that a handful of Goan exporters account for 80 per cent of trade, their clout on the political class is enormous. “I shout the most against them, but there are pressures mounted on me too,” he told this newspaper. Sesa Goa, Chowgule Co, V M Salgaocar, V S Dempo and Sociedade de Fomento were the top iron ore exporters from Goa in 2010.
[Goanet] Goa and the legend of Parashuram
Parashuram, an avatar of the Hindu God Vishnu let an arrow (bann ) fly from the top of a hill in Kushasthali (Cortalim) and the arrow fell in Bannahalli ( halli means village ) i.e. Benaulim. The Sindhusagar ( now known as Arabian Sea ) seawaters receeded and a land called Gomantak (Goa) was formed to be eventually settled down by 96 Gaud Saraswat brahmin families. Sixty six of them settled down in Salcete taluka and the remaining thirty in Ilhas or Tiswadi taluka. So far so good. Could any Goanetter please throw light as to how Bardez fared in the scheme of things, since most villages in Bardez have fairly large settlements of brahmin families ? ( or were they mostly refugees running from the Old Goa plague in mid 18th century? ). On the other hand, by the end of 1961, large area of Salcete below Benaulim - Margao - Chandor (Guirdolim) line had few or none at all brahmin families settled therein. After all South Salcete is the power house of Congress politics in Goa.
[Goanet] Goan language before 1961 B. C. E.
Goa most likely had Austro-Asiatic and Dravidian settlers before the Indo-Aryans arrived. So extinct languages of these earlier settlers such as Mundari (Austro-Asiatic) and Naiki (Dravidian) might have been spoken in Goa. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: So what would have been the language of Goa before the Indo-Aryan/Indo-European/Indo-Iranian came to hold sway here? FN
Re: [Goanet] Matanhy et 'Overseas citizen have no right'
Dear Friends, We must thank Matanhy for expressing his concerns for OCIs. What comes to my mind is, by granting OCI status to persons of Indian origin, Government of India has brought on record those who have relinquished Indian citizenship. This will enable the Government to check their holdings back home as many Indians especially Goans still own properties in India. Like Tenancy Act, who knows what future legislation may curtail further rights of OCIs, time alone will tell. Its worth taking Matanhy's advice on board. The question of Anjedevi island should be asked to, Dr. Wilfred Desouza, Luisinho Faleiro, and Francisco Sardinha, as they were in the government enjoying plum cabinet posts, at the time when Ravi Naik was the chief mininster. Eduardo Faleiro equally to be blamed for he was in top position of power in Delhi. Matanhy was the General Secretary of Gomant Lok Pokx and I know he was the only voice (see New reports/press statements) against the gifting away of Anjedivi island to the Navy, while all of Goa slept in slumber. Matanhy has devoted his entire life to Goa's cause, but find it difficult to understand that his 'ommissions' are being questioned by critics, in a copy book style, while none of the above mentioned Congress 'christaos' who ruled Goa for 30 odd years are held accountable for the sorry state of affairs. Peace and good will G. Oliveira --- On Fri, 5/6/11, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Matanhy et 'Overseas citizen have no right' To: Matanhy Saldanha matanhysalda...@gmail.com Cc: Geraldo Oliveira niger...@yahoo.com, adriano pinto adrianovpi...@yahoo.com, violeta fernandes fernandesviolet...@gmail.com, Julieta Dias Fisher julieta.dias.fis...@verizon.net, John Quigley johndi...@thequigleyfamily.com, John Lobo lobo.j...@gmail.com, Edgar Valles eval...@efacec.pt, Francisco Monteiro monteir...@yahoo.com.br, peter fernandes petf...@hotmail.com, Ajay Pereira alsofsola...@yahoo.com, Agnelo Pinheiro gift.pinhe...@gmail.com, blandino viegas bmviega...@yahoo.com, Carmen Miranda carmitamira...@gmail.com, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com, Dr. Jorson Fernandes jor...@sify.com, edwin mascarenhas edw...@rediffmail.com, Roque furtado roquefurtado2...@yahoo.co.uk, yash0...@gmail.com, asjrebe...@yahoo.co.uk, braganza.mig...@gmail.com, dalboy1...@yahoo.co.uk, cecilpi...@gmail.com, jason.k.fernan...@gmail.com, Bernado Colaço ole_...@yahoo.co.uk, upkamat...@yahoo.com, bhandare1...@yahoo.com, benedictl...@gmail.com, mcpereir...@yahoo.co.uk, arwinmesqu...@gmail.com, Aires Rodrigues airesrodrigu...@gmail.com, ben.an...@rogers.com, goa...@gmail.com, meninog...@rediffmail.com, constanti...@hotmail.com, dr_col...@yahoo.com, Derek Almeida derekalme...@rediffmail.com, nandka...@gmail.com, drmariodeso...@gmail.com, docosca...@rediffmail.com, socorro_dsouz...@yahoo.com, fredericknoro...@gmail.com, patxaguestho...@hotmail.com, goan...@yahoo.co.uk, veg...@gmail.com, tomazinho@gmail.com, mel...@symtravels.com, Sabina Martins martinssab...@gmail.com, orlandodasi...@rediffmail.com, bos...@gmail.com, Roger D' Souza rdsg2...@gmail.com, saluscorr...@optusnet.com.au, oscarde...@gmail.com, bevin...@yahoo.com, anabelg...@gmail.com, devikaseque...@gmail.com, hartman.deso...@gmail.com, tony.soa...@ntlworld.com, carvalho_...@yahoo.com, Tony Luis dalboy1...@yahoo.co.uk, pinheiro gift.pinhe...@gmail.com, blandino viegas bmviega...@yahoo.com, Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com, Jason Keith Fernandes jason.k.fernan...@gmail.com, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk, Prashanth Kamath upkamat...@yahoo.com, chinmay bhandare bhandare1...@yahoo.com, Benedict Lobo benedictl...@gmail.com, Marion Pereira mcpereir...@yahoo.co.uk, Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com, aires rodrigues airesrodrigu...@gmail.com, Ben Antao ben.an...@rogers.com, judith almeida goa...@gmail.com, Babush Fernandes meninog...@rediffmail.com, Constantino XAVIER constanti...@hotmail.com, Francisco Colaco dr_col...@yahoo.com, derek almeida derekalme...@rediffmail.com, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com, Dr.Nandkumar Kamat nandka...@gmail.com, Dr. Mario (Oman) De Souza drmariodeso...@gmail.com, oscar rebello docosca...@rediffmail.com, Socorro D'Souza socorro_dsouz...@yahoo.com, edwin mascarenhas edw...@rediffmail.com, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com, geraldin fernandes patxaguestho...@hotmail.com, renebarreto goan...@yahoo.co.uk, Kevin Saldanha veg...@gmail.com, Matanhy Saldanha matanhysalda...@gmail.com, tomazinho cardozo tomazinho@gmail.com, melvyn Fernandes mel...@symtravels.com, Sabina Martins martinssab...@gmail.com, Orlando Silva orlandodasi...@rediffmail.com, Bosco De Mello bos...@gmail.com, Roger Dsouza rdsg2...@gmail.com, Dr. Jorson Fernandes jor...@sify.com, Salus Correia saluscorr...@optusnet.com.au,
[Goanet] John Paul II - Blessed or Cursed?
Fr Ivo, This very man who is now beatified and whom you so effusively praise, played the main role in the cover-up of the church's massive child abuse scandals. The word 'abuse' is mild and misleading. It should really be called child rape and destruction of lives but that is a digression. Allegations that the late pontiff blocked an inquiry into a paedophile cardinal, promoted senior church figures despite accusations that they had molested boys and covered up innumerable cases of abuse during his 26-year papacy have cast a cloud over his path to sainthood. The most serious claims are related to Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer, an Austrian friend of John Paul’s who abused an estimated 2,000 boys over decades but never faced any sanction from Rome. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — who became Pope Benedict — had tried to investigate the abuses as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, according to Schönborn. But his efforts had been blocked by “the Vatican”, an apparent reference to John Paul. Stanislaw Obirek, a Polish theologian and a former Jesuit priest, said: “I believe John Paul is the key person responsible for the cover-up of abuse cases because most of it occurred during his papacy. How can someone who is to blame for this be beatified?” The paragraphs above and further sordid details of some of JP II's doings are from a London's Sunday Times article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7086738.ece Better to choose some other hero, Fr Ivo. Roland. Toronto. BLESSED JOHN PAUL II * IVO DA CONCEIÇÃO SOUZA (Margão) “Santo Subito! (Soon a Saint)” were the words to be read on several plackards on the day of the death itself of Pope John Paul II. They were the wish of the people who admired and loved him, in particular the youth. Today he is Blessed. He is really “The Great”. He is simply universal. John Paul II has left a rich legacy to the Church of tomorrow, to the society and to humanity. Pope Benedict XVI beatified him on May 1, 2011. When I heard about the novel of Morris West, Shoes of Fisherman, as a student, I was eager to see a Pope of such a calibre, during my lifetime, and succeeded. John Paul II has become a catalyst in the world history. The Pope has brought out the Gospel message and its values to the socio-political arena, to everyday life, to the man in the street. Karol Józef Wojtyla was a bright student, a good sportsman, an excellent actor, a strong worker, an excellent Professor of Philosophy, a good educationist, an honest diplomat, a true statesman, a holy priest, a good shepherd, an excellent bishop, a saintly Pope. He was simply great!
Re: [Goanet] FRIDAY BALCAO to focus on People's preparedness participation in Disaster Management in Goa.
People's preparedness for disaster management? Is this some kind of a joke?? Where is the people's gorment??? Sleeping??? And has Goacan been appointed as the Gorment's agent on this issue ??? Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org PS: Recently we heard that this gorment is going to shell out Rs. one crore each to NGOs out of the tax payer's money. Is this discussion on disaster management by Goacan meant to claim that Rs. 1 crore Just asking !!! :-)) - Original Message - From: Goa Desc goad...@gmail.com To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 11:19 AM Subject: [Goanet] FRIDAY BALCAO to focus on People's preparedness participation in Disaster Management in Goa. -- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO the fortnightly discussion event since 1999 --- Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet,
[Goanet] COLUMN: Films and civil society: Standing up against the easy response
Films and civil society: Standing up against the easy response By Jason Keith Fernandes Selma Carvalho, author of Into the Diaspora Wilderness is one of Goa’s brave new voices. Hers is a brave voice because she dares to speak truths that her audience does not particularly like to hear. The case I have in mind is her spirited response to the whole Dum Maro Dum controversy. In her essay on The Goan Voice, she pointed out that regardless of how offensive we may find the film or references in it to Goa, ‘Hurt sensibilities do not give us the right to clamp down on free speech in the guise of protecting society. The principles of democracy are far greater, far more important than our hurt.’ She argued further that ‘We must realize, that in a free society, civil liberties such as the artist’s right to create, to interpret, to challenge existing norms are sacrosanct. They must be protected, they must be fought for as fiercely as our nationalist heroes fought for Liberation and they must be honoured every step of the way even when it repulses us to do so. Unless the mind is allowed to roam unfettered, it cannot create, it cannot hold a mirror unto society. When the creative mind itself is weighed down by censorship, society stagnates; it becomes hollow, echoing only those sentiments which it finds acceptable from within its empty chambers.’ Carvalho’s voice must be cherished not merely because she is brave, but because, as her argument above demonstrates, she has the gift of foresight. She understands that the arguments we use today, can just as well be used by elements of the far-right. Indeed, she makes this argument against those protesting for a ban of Dum Maro Dum because of the similarity in tone shared by the shrill remonstrations against the film and those often raised by the Hindu right; a perfect example being the recent demonstrations against the works of Prof. José Pereira. There are many who believe that opposition to the Hindu Right is sufficient, and that in face of this larger enemy, we should hold our peace against the bigots in our midst. As Carvalho argues, this position is pointless. The Hindu Right are not necessarily products of some peculiarly ‘Hindu’ perversion but the result of attitudes that are running strong through our society today. What the Hindu Right has been protesting as an insult to Hindus and Hinduism, the Catholic bigots have been protesting as an insult to the ‘Goan identity’. On the other hand you have the local ‘feminists’ who may wind up producing a scenario not very different from what a Taliban-mentality may produce. In his review of the situation, Cecil Pinto pointed to the rather bizarre signs held up by those protesting against the disrespect shown to local women. The demand for intervention of the State is particularly scary because of the manner in which the Goan State has been relating to the law especially in the course of the Kamat administration. Public demands are often used to support, or used as a precedent to support, the willful use of law to support a situation where anarchy can reign. Thus on numerous occasions, Mr. Kamat has pleaded inability to act when he should because of ‘public protest’. And yet, perhaps displaying a sympathy for the Hindu Right, has stood by while statal authorities effect de facto bans on works and events objected to by the Hindu Right. Carvalho also points out the deep hypocrisy shown by the members of the legislative assembly, who protested against the film, even as Goa continues to be officially marketed by the State as a tourist destination for ‘fun’, where Goa is in fact marked by a sinister nexus between Ministers and drug lords, and the Goa represented in the film may not in fact be too far from the Goa that has been actively created by our political class. One cannot help but extract once more from Carvalho’s impassioned prose: ‘Women's groups are up in arms that a movie will distort the image of women. Let's look at how well women have fared in Goa in recent history. When a young woman alleged that she was raped by a wanna-be politician, he had enough clout to delay his own interrogation, the powers-that-be asked what she was doing out so late. When Scarlett Keeling washed up on our shores, so obviously physically brutalized, the case was dismissed as one of drowning. Only Fiona Mackeown, her mother's relentless intervention forced the government to re-open the case. The Government insisted Fiona Mackeown was out to tarnish the image of Goa. In fact, all she wanted was a mother's justice for her daughter - a woman's justice.’ There are some who have correctly pointed out that the film does display a certain kind of colonial gaze that the ‘Indian’ has toward Goa. Goa, and the (largely Catholic) Goan, can be used in a manner that is best described as colonial. The space and the identity exploited for the benefit of another. However, they seek
Re: [Goanet] Pictures of dead Bin Laden won't be released....
Please do not blame the USofA. If they're creating a permanent state of seige, it's only because the economy needs it (gold too!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_arms_economy FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 (after 2pm) #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org On 6 May 2011 05:11, Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca wrote: Gabe Menezes wrote: ...understandably; they are too graphic and will only cause further angst among some Muslims. Gruesome pictures obtained by Reuters shown at link below. They were all unarmed. http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound Gabe Menezes, The US accused, declared guilty and executed Osama. Then they threw his body into the sea. There used to be a time when only the mafia acted in this way. We all know that the next person who will go in the same way will be Col. Gadaffi. Do you want to take a bet on who gets executed after Gadaffi? Mervyn1650Lobo
Re: [Goanet] Aryan Goa !
I like your comments Fred - refreshing in this world of pure wool (an expression once used in Quebec, perhaps still is) and commoners finding their princes. From: fredericknoro...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 00:51:42 +0530 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Aryan Goa ! Dear Eric, With a melting pot like Goa, I wonder how we can be serious about purity of language and race. Anyway, who defines folks who resemble us? We're we all migrants and/or invaders in our times? FN On 4 May 2011 17:55, eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com wrote: Fred: Dashrat's arrow (ban) garnered this corner of the coast for our folk ! Banvalle is now under notice from rising tides, as is Britona and the Bastora creek. Three quarters of our frontier is with the Dravid Carnatic. They amble across with abandon, then procure voter cards with the same facility. At fifty percent and growing, I fear the Porvorim Assembly hall will not be occupied by folk who resemble us, in the near future. eric. - Konkani is an Indo-Aryan language. I guess you guys should take your logic one step further and also work to banish all non-Indo-Aryans out of Goa! If not, why not? FN
