[Goanet] (correction) LONDON CONVENTION COST GOAN TAX PAYER OVER 12 LAKHS
b: From Kunbi Zuze's information service, there has been nor is ANY religion/caste/ barrier for the 'membership' of these later-settler-Goans organizations or their get-togethers conferences. (in the immediately preceding post) - should be read as b: From Kunbi Zuze's information service, there has not been nor is there ANY religion/caste/ barrier for the 'membership' of these later-settler-Goans organizations or their get-togethers conferences.
Re: [Goanet] LONDON CONVENTION COST GOAN TAX PAYER OVER 12 LAKHS
anil desai anild...@gmail.com wrote: Let me try to put it in plain English for you. 1. I was happy to attend this convention at the request of my friend . My ONLY CRITICISM was that after the organisers declared that there would be a question and answer session at the end, this was cancelled for lack of time and the reason was an impromptu and irrelevant talk by one member of the sponsoring team. 2. A convention organised by Hindus in the USA , if its overwhelming membership is Hindu, would be as unacceptable to me as the one organised by GOA for overwhelmingly catholic members, either to be called Goan convention or to be eligible for govt funds from goa government. 3. Organisations that claim to work for the benefit of Goa and Goans should not fleece Goan taxpayers under the pretext of discussing Goa's problems sitting in London. OK to do it but at your own expense. 4: Is that clear, Ms Carvalho? By the way, did you attend the dinner sponsored by Mr Faleiro and paid for by the Goan taxpayers? === A response from Kunbi Zuze, the mostest originalest Goan. This is written for the attention of these bhaille i.e. later-settler-Goans who continue with their Religion and Caste nonsense ad infinitum. also TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN a: The 'ONLY CRITICISM' is noted. I recommend that additional criticism should be filed at the nearest Post Office in triplicate. If no action within 1 year, apply again. If no action within 1 year, produce bogus VideoCD or call for 'voluntarily-enforced' Bandh or Bus also known in Kunbi Konkani as 'BandhoBus'. b: From Kunbi Zuze's information service, there has been nor is ANY religion/caste/ barrier for the 'membership' of these later-settler-Goans organizations or their get-togethers conferences. I know for a fact that both the UK/Canada and US organizations have reached out to members of other 'faiths' and invited them to attend. I also understand that a few self-proclaimed Atheists have attended (and even organised) these functions. Forgive me rather, allow Kunbi Zuze to forgive the disgruntled folks who are just making ghuspott and have now added a religious component to this. I suppose they would like GOA UK to be Swadeshified while they themselves like to pose for (even profile) pictures with the suited and booted 'whiter than whites'. Hypocrisy unlimited. c: I agree with # 3. I am sure that evidence of 'fleecing' will be forthcoming. Personally, I will look up the meaning of the word 'fleecing' to ascertain IF the meaning changed since I last looked it up. d: I agree with the general point being made in #4 above. I strongly recommend that one should NOT attend sponsored dinners. Somebody eventually pays for the cost, and it is usually the 'little man' . As Anil has asked the question of Selma, I will leave it to Selma to answer it - IF she chooses to. I do, however, have a question for Anil; a question which he may or may not choose to answer: Has Anil ever tasted/imbibed the offerings at dinners/lunches sponsored by drug companies and/or do you accept/have you accepted trinkets/junkets/other gifts offered by drug company representatives? While you may take your time to answer this question, I will leave you with this as my answer: NO! .because (to repeat) some low lying Kunbi always pays. I know this from early childhood. Ask me and I will tell you how I know.but first, answer the question put to you..and 'B4 you cast (or is it caste) the first stone, look first at thyself'. (In the interest of full disclosure, this question may be answered by all those who are now complaining about expenditure. Please do the honours without asking Kunbi Zuze to go through RTI. jc BTW: Kunbi Zuze is trying hard NOT to read a BJP/Congress or Religion/Caste angle in some of these post-partum bickerings.
[Goanet] Books for sale in UK and elsewhere
Dear members, The following newly released Goa books are for sale in the UK. The prices quoted are valid for UK residents and include packing and postage. Safe delivery within 3 days of receiving payment (trust me, I've done this loads of times before). Books may also be ordered by members in Europe, USA and Canada but add 5 UKPounds to the price and expect delivery within 15 days. Please check for stock before ordering. Discounts can be given for more than one book ordered. Medeival Goa by Dr Teotonio D'Souza - 10 UKP Skin by Magarent Mascarenhas - 10 UKP Mirror to Goa by Donna Young - 8 UKP Goa Masala editor Ben Antao - 8 UKP Images of Goa by Ben Antao* recommended - 12 UKP Cry of the Kingfisher by Belinda Viegas - 8 UKP Francisco Luis Gomes by Luis de Assis Correira (also includes the classic novels Os Brahmas and Marquis de Pombal) - 15 UKP Picture postcard poverty by Frederick Noronha - 8 UKP Another Goa by Frederick Noronha - 8 UKP When the Curtain Rises (Tiatr) by Dr Rafael Fernandes - 10 UKP Catarin Etc by Mario Cabral - 5 UPK Jottings by Meurin (1) 5 UKP Best, Selma Carvalho
[Goanet] Visas for Pakistani Goans
It is heartening to know that the Indian government is considering giving long-term visas to Goans in Pakistan. As we now know, the issue was raised at the London Goan Convention. It is impossible that the Indian government acted so fast in response to the issue raised at the convention. The issue has been lying with the Indian government for a long time. I remember this issue was raised with Eduardo Faleiro in Toronto when he was part of a delegation to the UN and stopped by Toronto many years ago. Faleiro, who was then the Minister of State for External Affairs, was hosted to a reception by the Goan Overseas Association under the presidentship of Alpoim Andrade. The Indian consulate, under Chandra Mohan Bhandari, informed the GOA of Faleiro's coming to Toronto and the GOA hastily organized a reception in the same hotel, Chealsea Inn, where Faleiro was staying. The selected group of Goans waited for at least an hour for Faleiro to come down to the reception room. Since there was no sign of him, Alpoim and myself went to Faleiro's room. We told him that the group was waiting for him. He said he was not aware of any reception for him. It seemed strange that the Indian consulate had not informed him. However, he said he would be down in 15 minutes and he did come. It was here that the issue of Pakistan Goans in Toronto having a hard time getting visas to India was raised. In front of some of us, Faleiro told Bhandari to pursue this matter with the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA). I was bit surprised that Faleiro directed the Indian consul-general to follow up on the matter instead of assuring the GOA that he would personally take up the matter within his own ministry. In fact, the GOA had also raised the issue with the Indian consulate much before Faleiro's visit. As usual nothing happened. What is surprising is that the issue was not taken up by Faleiro on a priority basis when he was the minister of state for external affairs. He was obviously in a position to push for the granting of long-term visas to Pakistani Goans much earlier than thought of now. Only Faleiro can explain why it didn't happen during his time. The visa applications of Pakistani Goans are submitted to the MEA in New Delhi for a check-up and this takes up lot of time. The time delay obviously frustrated Pakistani Goans. The Indian consulate's answer was that it was helpless as the rule applied to all Pakistanis who wanted to visit India. The rule is still in existence. I have seen at the Dubai Indian consulate many Pakistanis voicing their frustrations for not getting replies to their applications for weeks or more than a month. It would be good that those Pakistani Goans wishing to get Indian citizenships were allowed to do so. Perhaps it will not be easy as the Indian government would obviously run background checks on the persons. In the light of the recent attacks in India, it is imperative that India take utmost measures to check thoroughly a person's background. However, the new thinking on the MEA's part is welcome. The concession to be made to Pakistani Goans in getting long-term visas is a good step. Eugene Correia
[Goanet] Reponse to Fred's Who's Goan Where? in Heraldo
Fred Noronhan said that Gabe Menezes is doing a good job of being inhouse critic though I fail to understand why he used a smiley. Was it a joke or a poke? He also said that criticism is tolerable upto a point and beyond it it becomes counter-productive. I would like to hear from Fred what yardstick he would use to say that the final point is reached. In this particular case of the Global Goan Convention, I haven't seen Fred express his views. He would rather hold his comments but would not hold back telling others that criticism is fine as long as it goes to a point after which it becomes counter-productive. As a critic himself, since he writes the Devil's Adovate column in Oheraldo (Aug 24), Fred perhaps knows when his criticism or praise has reached that point when he would go no further. He doesn't seem to be interested in what the convention achieved or not achieved but he was keen to ask goanetters for information on the Goan population in their respective areas. This accumulation of information made his his recent column where he titled the piece, Who's Goan Where? Like some headings to his pieces, I found this one also hard to understand. What the hell is the question mark doing in the heading, may I ask the erstwhile columnist. Fred has laid out the cold figures, and that too without acknowledging the persons who gave him the details with the exception of just one. That privileged person is John Nazareth whose photo was on the Goanvoice.uk website. By the way John still lives in Toronto, more specifically in Mississauga, and not lived in Uganda and Canada, as Fred mention., He says that John is a statistician but does not mention John's field of specialization. To the best of my knowledge, John worked in the aviation industry or perhaps still does. Neither does Fred questions John on his methodology and sources. John has pulled the figures from the sky, and Fred has said that John believes there are so many Goans in UK, Kuwait, etc. The disturbing word is believes. Will Fred believe if I say I believe that there are 200,000 Goans in Canada? Roland Francis has provided his own figures and it is open to questions how accurate Roland could be or, for that matter, John. I wish to know when John undertook the task of calculating Goan migration level worldwide and whether he tapped into the census figures in those countries which in mentioned. This sort of guessestimates may help in giving an overview of Goan population worldwide but it would not pass the scrunity of a serious reearcher looking into the figures of Diaspora Goans. Maybe when the Goa government sets up the institute of dispora studies, as mentioned by the NRI department, will serious follow into how many Goans and where they live around the world. Fred says that even if Pakistani Goans are based oversea too, their place of birth makes them suspect in the yes of Indian consular officials. This is far from the fact. Pakistani Goans are not suspect, but indeed fall into the same trap as other Pakistanis who seek to have a visitor's visa to India. The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) forwards all Pakistani applications for visa to the Ministry of Home for checking the bonafides of the applicant and also run their names through the police database. Fred asks, What do these figures tell us? This is resource we've beem ignoring for too long. Unfortunately, the Goa-expat equation is still based on mutual selfishness; Goa looks to its expats only for their remittances, and to make a fast buck on their affluence. At the same time, the expats have traditionally though of Goa only as a place for the occasional holiday, and to flee back to in case of a crisis. For example, Kuwait in the early 1990s and Uganda in the 1970s. Fred misses the purpose of holding Global Goan Conventions. It is to make expats Goans feel part of the their homeland and also to seek views how best the Goa government could serve them and, in return, the expats could feel at home in Goa that these annual rituals have been held. Wasn't a sesssion held on NRI issues at the London convention? Weren't there discussions on NRIs at the conventions held in Oman and Kuwait? The NRI department must have got a good feedback from these conventions and probably made some suggestions to the Goa government. However, since no reports on past conventions are on the globalgoans website many of us who were not present at these conventions are not aware what discussions took place. In similar fashion, the annual Bharatiya Pravasi Divas is held by the central government to provide both the government and the diaspora Indian community to exchange views and provide initiaves for plans that could be mutually beneficial or maybe even unilaterally beneficial to either of the party. It is through such conventions that the central government has initiated the Person of India Origin (PIO) card and followed it up with the Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) card. The central government has also okayed
[Goanet] Daily Grook #1032
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[Goanet] Fw: UK GOANS DEMAND DISSOLUTION OF GOA KONKANI ACADEMY
To The Editor Gomantak Times / Times of India Panjim Goa. Sir, Kindly publish our press note on your esteemed daily that is attatched herewith this short letter. It is group of Goans recently settled over here in Middlesex United Kiigdom in search of jobs and most of us are already employed . We are very much concerned whatever is happening in our sweet Goa , First of all we did not get jobs in Goa so we managed to do our Portuguese passports and come here only for the stomac purposeh and but our heart and soul are still in our tiny Goa. We are only survived here just we can speak good English orelse we would have come back home, thank God we were studied in English. We want our children back home to study in English so that they can come up in life and not to slog like thousands of other poor people of Goa. Whichever \Govt. that comes sto power in Goa they had made a point not to give govt. jobs for minoroities. We support Goan parents who chose for English medium in schools. We had fought for the konkani and not for this konkani that kwas impossed on lus by the then congress govt. with the cunning konkani leaders like Udhoy Bhembre, and and Pundalik Naik drafting that draconian official language act-1987. That bill had put thousands of christians young people in trouble as they were not in position to learn Devnagiri konkani hence became school srop outs thus giving us now hundreds of goondas, robbers, matka bookies and others. Please don't support the other issues like Marathi or Devnagiri konkani that will creat more goondas and robbers including illiterates. Thanks. Francisco Floriano Fernandes, Middlesex-UK.
Re: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro
The Goa Su-Raj Party condoles the death of Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro, the dear wife of long standing goanetter Victor Rangel-Ribeiro with deep sympathies. May her good soul rest in eternal peace. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: goa obit goao...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 6:48 AM Subject: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro, beloved wife of Victor Rangel-Ribeiro, daughter of the late Sebastian and Cecilia Vaz of Assagao and New York; mother/mother-in-law of Eva Ribeiro Wickoff/Christopher Wickoff and Eric/Liz Rangel-Ribeiro; grandmother of Dana, Ria, and Morgan Murray, and Tatijana and Natacha Rangel-Ribeiro; sister-in-law of Oscar/Erika Rangel-Ribeiro of Geneva and Lyra Ribeiro Srinivasan of Lincroft, NJ, sister/sister-in-law of Dominic/Marilyn Vaz of New York; aunt of Christopher/Rosemary Vasan, Allen/Carolina Vasan, Philip/Tina Vasan, Mireya/Charles Carlsen, Gita/Patrik Thollesson, Ludivine/Luc Perret of Geneva, Christine Ribeiro Opie of London, and Rani Vaz/Michael Moebius of New York; great-aunt to Kiera Vasan, Kristen and Daniela Vasan, Peter and Julia Vasan, Katie and Kevin Carlsen, and Emilie and Daniela Thollesson, and Cecilia Moebius, by the grace of God passed away most peacefully at her residence in Monroe, New Jersey, USA on the evening of September 1, 2011.
[Goanet] Song for the day.
The Kirby Stone Four (1964) - Baubles, Bangles And Beads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EH0WW_bfnY -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
[Goanet] Alfred Rose – The only Melody King.
Alfred Rose – The only Melody King. I agree. Video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw-DlnV9MjE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw-DlnV9MjE joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Heartfelt Condolences
Dear Victor, I am shocked by the very sad news of Lea's passing away. Of course, I knew that she was sick, but death... I didn't expect it. Kindly accept my heartfelt sympathies and also convey it to your family members. On the few occasions I had the privilege of meeting Lea, she always proved be ever so friendly and kind, and filled with joy. I still remember her seated at the piano at your ancestral house in Porvorim. Lea leaves behind very happy memories while she left for her Eternal home. I wish her eternal happiness, and to you... all the courage to brave the immense loss. Regards, Joel. PS: A few pictures at my FlickR photostream in humble tribute to a great person, who had her ancestral roots in my little village: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105787398/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105244785/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105787856/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105245443/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105245651/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105788094/in/photostream
[Goanet] GOAN BISHOPS - MARATHI MANOOS - EASTINDIANS
Vatican has been appointing bishops for bombay who are not in a position to solve even 5% of the poverty unemployment economic housing alcoholism infighting problems of the local catholics of bombay ( www bombayland.blogspot com ) i.e. EastIndians ( www east-indians com ). Just like the Prime Minister of India who turns a blind eye to the corrupt activities of some of the ministers in his cabinet it appears that all the past/present/future Bishops appointed for Bombay also turn a blind eye to the corrupt activities of some parish priests in bombay who have been misusing church funds, illegally selling vacant church properties, refusing admission in parish schools to children of poor catholics, etc. To be a True Christian the basic qualification is the person should have a Christian name and deep faith in Lord Jesus Christ Blessed Mother Mary. All EastIndians in Bombay have Christian names and have deep faith in Lord Jesus Christ Blessed Mother Mary. But because of the loss of their agricultural lands in bombay and the genetic problem of alcoholism infighting the eastindians are suffering. Some EastIndian associations are only interested in organizing singing competition food festival dance competition instead of organizing political demonstrations at azad maidan shivaji park mantralaya parliament to demand a 5% quota in govt. jobs govt. housing in bombay for eastindians. To be sure, the Shiv Sena has always acknowledged the aboriginal status of the East Indians. In a letter to the East Indian Journal (Page 5, issue dt. 15 January 1968) Sena chief Bal Thackeray tried to find Christian recruits for his fledgling chauvinistic organisation. Bal Thackeray wrote “The East Indians, who are essentially Maharashtrians, have also suffered,” he said. “Being sons of the soil, they find themselves strangers in their own land. Their ancestral lands are acquired, their houses are ruined. For want of money their children cannot get higher education, and for want of higher education, they cannot get better jobs.” His letter came only a few years after a community debate about its nomenclature. Many wanted to be called Maharashtrian Christians instead of East Indians to reflect their cultural milieu better and to shed the colonial past. The Sena’s position hasn’t changed since Mr. Thackeray’s letter. The Marathi manoos have monopolized the name Maharashtrians for themselves due to which it is unlikely any eastindian or koli can identify with the name Maharashtrian. There is no ideology in India only castelogy. But the most dangerous type of discrimination is monopoly of the Marathi manoos on BMC, Police, Collectorsoffice, city survey office, mantralaya, rationoffice, urban development dept, town planning dept, mmrda, mhada, politics and other administrative depts. of maharashtra government in bombay. Will the Marathi people share some of the jobs in BMC, Police, Collectorsoffice, etc with EastIndians Kolis ? The Indian Government is preparing the 12th Five year plan www 12thplan gov in . What is the point in preparing such plans when the previous 11 plans could not lift people out of poverty even today majority of rural folks survive on less than Rs.20/- a day and most urban folks survive on less than Rs.40/- a day. China govt controlled Chinese population which enabled the Chinese govt. to uplift millions of Chinese out of poverty. China is now a economic power and a great military power. The Godless Americans are really worried of China and are trying to prop-up India to counter China. Nothing is as long and as boring as a Roman Catholic mass. There was absolutely nothing exciting in Sunday mass. Once you had memorized every hymn and prayer, and knew exactly when to stand, kneel and sit, there was really nothing left to hold your interest. But of course you can't fall asleep, or make any noise or touch anything, or you might go to Hell. The length of the mass was especially dependent on two things: 1. If there was a priest that insisted on singing the various gospels and psalms, or if they spoke it. 2. The length of the homily (sermon)….At least when the homily was finished, you know you were almost done. Then you could go home, and enjoy the best part of the week: the point at which the next mass is furthest away. Just thinking of that was enough to get you through the last fifteen minutes or so of the Sunday mass. IF GOD ATTENDED A SUNDAY MASS HE WOULD PROBABLY SAY “OH COME ON! THE PRIEST BETTER KEEP THE HOMILY SHORT AND SNAPPY!. Heart wrenching poverty, potholed roads, traffic jams, overcrowded trains buses, water shortage, overflowing gutters, garbage, an all pervading stink, increasing slums, broad daylight encroachment of openspaces mangroves saltpanlands, stress frustration due to poor management. Who is to be blamed? The Corporator who is powerless? The Bombay Muncipal Corporation (BMC), who is accountable to the Maharashtra State? The Maharashtra State, which is burdened with too many
[Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT LEA VAZ RANGEL-RIBEIRO
Although I never had the pleasure of meeting Victor(except in cyberspace) and Lea, I send my heartfelt condolences to Victor and the family on their great loss. May the Good Lord grant peace to Lea's soul and strength to Victor and the family at this sad time. Mervyn Elsie(Maciel)
[Goanet] Commutation of death sentence
DEATH SENTENCE The death sentence world over is being abolished as inhuman and to drastic It is not reformative in nature and at best seeks retributive justice, which in a way satisfies those seeking justice of revenge in retaliation The public memory is short lived and the intensity and details are forgotten , by the time the process of justice is finally completed .All sympathies and constitutional provision are for the accused . It appears that the unlucky, unfortunate victim had no constitutional rights to a natural and dignified death The family of the victim is often left to heal their wounds of personal lossThe in ordinate delay in dispensing swift justice is at the core of the problem and frustrates those who seek justice for those killed brutally. Those waiting on the death row , suffer agony of living death in anticipation every day Then there is order of execution for execution , which cannot be skipped causing further delay The execution of death sentence is a scar on the family of the accused. If for any reason for the miscarriage of justice, the victims family will seek justice through discreet means by taking law into their own hands. Thus the circle of revenge continues. If the accused is set free , then he may also find solace in further criminal activity of revenge and vengeance The judicial process appears to be vitiated by fresh thinking. The hanging by the rope, delay in execution of death sentence and mercy petitions , interpretation of the principle of” rarest of rare” cases and presently law and order problem There is too much of discretion in the rarest of rare cases., so much so that the pleaders try and encompass every case under this category. The assassination of late P.M.Rajiv Gandhi, in the prime of his life, by an external premeditated plan is unpardonable .India was deprived of a potential youthful leader .The resolution by Tamil Nadu Assembly clamouring for commuting into life sentence is dangerous precedent for independence of Judiciary and due process of law. It amounts to subverting of the judiciary by the Executive and does not bode well for the future of legal procedure. Now the casual remark and loud thinking of C.M.of Kashmir that the hanging of Afjal Guru may cause wide spread law and order problem Those who sacrificed their life to save the Parliamentarians are remembered as a ritual, without the depth of their supreme sacrifice The best alternative to present controversies is to abolish the death penalty and reference to the President by way of mercy petition .The interpretation of life sentence as 14 years is absurd and should mean till death of the accused Many a condemned prisoner has reformed with useful thinking and change of heart Depriving an individual with civil liberties for life is much better punishment than swift death two wrongs do not make a right The clemency by the President is often given political tinge of discretion In the west the sentence of 300 years will show the gravity of the offence , though it may not be realistic and practical The crowding of jails is another issue that deserves planning and death sentence is not the answer The dangerous elements must not be released in the society, The system of pay role for exemplary cases is worth exploring Nelson Lopes Chinchinim 9850926276 n
[Goanet] : sports regulation bill
Sports regulation bill The performance of India as the Nation is dismal when compared with even smaller Nations Our standing in the Olympics is pathetic to say the least One swallow in Bindra is a consolation and is the cause for celebration In a population of billion people, we do not find any worthy material to spot and train The money allotted for CWG was not spent for strange reasons Imagine the loss incurred by he Govt in organising CWG alone.The Govt intentions to bring this bill appears to milk the cash rich cow of BCCI It is the lure of money that attracts their interests, as the amount with this cricket organisation is more than the annual budgets of some Indian states Naturally they want a pie of this cake The Govt reputation in the field of sports management or organisation is disgraceful. The Govt does not encourage and adequately finance any sensible sports activity. The federation and bodies are avenues for the politicians to head as a matter of honour and privilege The hockey, which was once upon a time our only Olympic forte has lapsed into oblivion with in fights among the officials The wining disciplines of weight lifting are privately funded. We are no where near any discipline to reckon with in world competition The bill was discussed with Ministers with conflict of interests , heading sports organisations and naturally rejected. The BCCI is by and large well administered, except for a few aberrations of IPL involving unsupervised individuals ,who were given a free hand in good trust. The cricket as a sport is leading the Nations in this exclusive field of administration .selections awarding of contracts, payment to players. etc does not brook Govt. interference That as many as 27 federations of sports are willing to come under the purview of the bill is no answer to net BCCI and ruin a prestigious body There was time when players were gifted one lakh through organising fund raising events To day they are offering 2 crores to cricketers and donating to the other sports bodies, voluntarily encouraging other disciplines too The Cricket associations, which are part and representing BCCI have constructed huge stadiums promoting cricket as a sport The International sports events have augmented in India the much needed infrastructure in recent times. The Govt intentions to interfere in well managed sports discipline is a suspect The bill has some obnoxious clauses regarding the tenure of the office bearers, such a provision is already in place in BCCI What track record the Govt. has of sports administration The facility at Patiala was ridden with drug abuse of enhancing performance and athletes were caught, dismissed and barred unknowingly for no fault of their won Look at the facilities that the they were provided during training and mere subsistence allowance sanctioned to them The clause regarding age of 70 years, and tenure of 12 years is arbitrary to displace certain individuals heading the organisation Suresh kalmadi heading the body is a case gone sour There are politicians in the Parliament winning for donkey years, entering through the Raja sabha, and who many a times are rejected at the hustings or who can never win any election for Lok Sabha Does the Govt contemplate age bar and tenure for holding such public offices ?There were four cabinet Ministers on the Cabinet meet with conflict of interests and no one excepts them to purge themselves for a noble purpose, however sanctimonious The bill will be brought back again or shelved permanently, who knows with the internal pressures The Govt will do well to support such organisations that are doing commendable work. encourage and invest in training at the grass root level, provide infrastructure in all disciplines and provide a decent budget for sports advancement at all levels and in all fields . Nelson lopes Chinchinim 9850926276
[Goanet] Swami Agnivesh's arrest will be a blot on democracy
However much I may disagree with him and feel he has let civil society down by double crossing 'Team Anna' and the anti-corruption agenda, I cannot agree with the State's decision to arrest Swami Agnivesh for his 'Amarnath Yatra' remarks and to slap baseless criminal charges against him. The charges of hurting religious sentiments are bizarre and ridiculous to say the least. Religion is but an idea or an ideology which people are free to agree with or disagree with. Are we still living in the dark ages of ‘blasphemy’ or are we living in a liberal democratic society where fundamental rights of free speech and expression are sacrosanct? The State is truly behaving in a fascist manner. First Om Puri, then Kiran Bedi and now Swami Agnivesh. Books, Films, Paintings and now even gag orders on what we are supposed to speak and not speak. Where are we heading? We still don't seem to have learnt our lessons from the saga of M.F. Hussain. In other Countries, open debates are held criticizing religious ideas and beliefs. Various streams of thoughts are being allowed to flow there. Far from creating unrest or discontent, such open flow of ideas are bringing greater maturity into their societies. Their universe keeps getting bigger and bigger while ours is getting smaller and smaller. Both the Courts and the State appear to have clearly overstepped their brief in the present case. This is a bit strange and ironical because the highest Courts of our Lands have consistently ruled in favour of free Speech and Expression. Freedom of expression protects not merely ideas that are accepted but those that offend shock or disturb the State or any sector of the population. Such are the demands of the pluralism, tolerance and broadmindedness without which there is no democratic society, the Supreme Court ruled in one such of its Landmark Judgments. What one sees in the present case is a knee-jerk reaction to a point of view that one does not agree with. This is nothing but extreme intolerance by the State and a threat to our democratic rights. The law must not be used as a tool to harass and intimidate those who you may not agree with. No liberal society can afford to hound its citizens for exercising the sacred principles of free speech and expression. This act is a severe breach of our rights and must be condemned! Cheers, Sandeep
Re: [Goanet] LONDON CONVENTION COST GOAN TAX PAYER OVER 12 LAKHS
-Original Message- From: Anil Desai 1. My only criticism was that after the organisers declared that there would be a question and answer session at the end, this was cancelled for lack of time ... . Response: It is a relief that you attended and have only one criticism as opposed to the myriads who chose not to attend and yet have so much to fault :-( However, I must set the record straight. The programme clearly stated that the Q A session would be at the end of the session. It did take place as timetabled and all the questions raised related to Carmen Miranda's presentation. You can check the programme by selecting Saturday 23 July at http://www.goaukconvention.co.uk/events.aspx But it was also a relief that the Q A session did not eat into the time allotted to Carmen. As you are no doubt aware when the Chairman tried to prematurely terminate her talk, the doughty lady suggested putting it to the vote and carried on regardless! Bravo! PS. I have been assured that full video transcripts of the Convention proceedings will be available soon Eddie Fernandes
[Goanet] Old-Age Tremors May Be Caused by Brain Lesions News - RealAge
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[Goanet] Sci-Tech Today | Brain-Training Games Are New Craze in Exercise
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[Goanet] Sleep Better Naturally - Four Tips for Better Sleep - RealAge
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[Goanet] LONDON CONVENTION COST us 12 NODDING HEADS
Folks, Having spoken to the NRI Commissioner this morning and the President of the Goan Association (UK) and after having had a good laugh, my response is as follows to the spurious charges made here on Goanet: (Eugene please Note - this is not the NRI COmmissioners nor the President's response. You have a habit of quoting me inaccurately in Goa papers - next time ask me for a quote). 1. The Global Goans Convention is an NRI event. The NRI office approaches local associations each year to help them in the organisation of this event. The local bodies then contribute financially to the organisation of this event from their own kitty and through local sponsors - There is no question of donations to anyone nor overseas Goans having a party at the expense of the Goan exchequer. 2. I'm surprised the Convention cost just 12 lakhs. To put 12 lakhs into perspective has anyone done a comparative study? How much did these Conventions cost when they were held in Goa and other places? How much does it cost the Tourism Board to represent Goa at the Travel Mart, how much would it cost the Minister of Industries and Commerce to drum up foreign investment? How much would it cost a delegation of Government officials to resolve the issues faced by NRI Goans? The remit of the NRI Commissioner is to represent NRI Goans. Did anyone expect that an NRI Commissioner would sit in Goa and represent the problems of NRI Goans? Or is it reasonable to expect that the NRI Commissioner would occasionally venture into those countries where Goans are found in large numbers to hear their problems and attend to their needs. Incidentally, even as I write this the NRI Commissioner has forwarded a proposal to issue long term visas to Karachi Goans - an issue which came up during that London Convention. 3. Since when did NRI Goans cease to be part of Goa? The vast majority of NRI Goans, the bulk of whom come from the Gulf are still fully fledged Indian nationals, who remit huge amounts of money back into the economy and buffer it so that the people of Goa, can continue living in a reasonably decent Goa. Should the Goa Government stop representing these people. Who decides that 12 lakhs is too much to be spent on NRI Goans? The purpose of the Convention is NOT TO RESOLVE Goa's issues. It is to RESOLVE NRI Issues. Why the fuss only for the London Convention? Is it because the Convention was successful and high-profile and some people can't bear this thorn in their flesh? 4. Apart from touching on NRI Issues, the Convention also serves various other purposes. It serves as a cultural anchor for Goans in the Diaspora wherein a healthy dose of networking takes place. It's an international platform for Goa - which quite frankly doesn't even manage to get a national platform unless a murder or rape is involved. It is a defacto representation of a Cultural attache, Tourism Minister and Minister for Industries and Commerce all rolled into one. 12 lakhs is darn good value for money. 5. The Convention was open to all. Nobody stopped non-Goans, Hindus, Muslims, Animists or Atheists from attending this Convention. Don't now dance the fudgi (as Doc would say) and tell us this was a Convention for Goan Catholics. We Goans are a peg lower than cows. One person will write some rubbish and 12 others will nod their heads. Is the Convention perfect? Of course not. Nothing in life ever is. But improving things takes constructive criticism - not criticism for the sake of it and grinding personal axes. Eugene, if you're in hospital, I suggest you seriously take the medicine prescribed to you. Best, Selma
[Goanet] KGA - Announces the commencement of Konkani Classes in Bangalore.
Global Goenakars !! I share a post from the President of Karnataka Goan Association - Bangalore - Adele Britto ., I take this opportunity of congratulating the KGA for this iniative and I hope other Goan Associations will follow their good example. rene barreto World Alliance of Goan Associations GLOBAL KONKANI ORGANISATION oo The Managing Committee is happy to announce the commencement of Konkani Classes. Course fees : Rs. 1000/- Venue : Nava Spoorthi Kendra, Off Davis Road, Richards Town Dates : 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th October and 5th, 12th, 19th and 26th November Time: 4 - 6pm Snacks Tea: 5 - 5.15pm Course to be conducted by Fr. Francis Pinto. The course includes study material,snacks tea, some Mando sessions and Cooking classes for Goan dishes apart from the interactive Konkanni speaking classes. Please send in your names to Mr Bosco Andrade before 20th Sep 2011: Tel: 9901291888 Email: boscoandrad...@gmail.com Adele Britto President 00
[Goanet] Coconut Trimming Machine
This was being discussed on the Botanical-Society-of-Goa mailing list, and thought of sharing it here too... Young Coconut Cutting Juice Extracting Machine CoCoMaN, apparently from Malaysia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKmTR1Uc2so http://www.coconutmachine.com/ http://methodmachine.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/108971579-10622740/Young_Coconut_Trimming_Machine.html Young coconut trimming... from India C.R.Anandakrishnan. S.A.Ivy Multi Pumps P.Ltd., India. Cell no: +91 98946 42116. email: saipu...@eth.net Website: www.indiamart.com/saivy-pumps. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_niLSRSWa0k Coconut Fibre Peeling Machine Video Coconut fibre peeling machine. Low cost from all aspects. contact us at (+91)-422-2607373, (+91)-9443060737 for further details and rates or email us at pee@gmail.com more agricultural machine types are also availabe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpgVa-Bek6Yfeature=related Please search, you could find something suitable, affordable and not too far away. FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 (after 2pm) #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org
[Goanet] Social activists are Govt, targets
CIvil societies activities targeted After the attack on Baba Ram Dev, the Govt was shown in bad light The court has taken up the issue of what went wrong and is examining details There was no justification on brutal assault by the police at that unearthly hour on innocent elders and peaceful participants now the enforcement directorate has slapped charges after the personal meeting with the Director The link and timing is a case of harassment Prashant Bushan is once again targeted with the CD case when it was closed for reasons proper.Raking up the issue at this juncture is to puncture his resolve and involvement in the movement and the govt, message is clear , beware the big brother is looking, Kiran Bedi an upright officer is in for a surprise for a most casual remark of politicians wearing masks and speaking in forked tongues differently when outside the Parliament Is this a fit case to to be codified under breach of privileges Is it not a message indirect that the supremacy of the parliament can be invoked at the drop of hat and at sweet will of the legislators.? Mr Arvind Kejrival is in for another surprise. The study leave taken for two years as per rules is now held inadmissible to count resignation period of3 years in service He has resigned after 3 and half years The notice is served after the period of limitations of 3 yrs The two yearsarediscounted and back wages are demanded with penal interest This is considered as a big offence of corruption at this point of time , when is in the forefront of Anna`s movement of corruption His press conference is projected as gaining sympathy and bring pressure. He has committed impropriety in communicating his views publicly when, he could have aured departmentally or taken recourse to law Nothing will convince the people that the Govt is purposely and deliberately on the witch hunt to demoralise and subdue the activists of the movement,People cannot be expected to be silent expectators at the govt move to selectively target the activists Misuse and abuse of power and law is exactly what the people are fed up of The Govt is commiting another error by targeting the activists in a planned manner, which will have serious and mass implications Nelson lopes Chinchinim 09850926276
Re: [Goanet] Alfred Rose – The only Melody King.
I agree too. -Original Message- From: JoeGoaUk Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:55 AM To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Alfred Rose – The only Melody King. Alfred Rose – The only Melody King. I agree. Video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw-DlnV9MjE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw-DlnV9MjE joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Lea Rangel-Ribeiro
Dear Victor, Solace and strength to you and your family on the demise of Lea. Condolences, but also best wishes on the celebration of her life and the many years of happiness you must have had together. The sorrow will go, but that must remain. I have not had the pleasure of meeting you or Lea except on telephone and therefore look forward to meeting you in person someday, may it be soon, either in the US or in Goa. With regards, Roland. Toronto.
[Goanet] Remembering Lea...
Some photos from the Toronto convention, which feature Lea Rangel-Ribeiro, who passed away earlier this morning (Goa time, yesterday evening in the US) ... thanks to Edgar for the images. http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2713945309/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2710969623/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2714252970/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2713441791/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2714753054/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2713939305/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2714753920/in/photostream/ Lea at the Toronto convention -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Who's Goan where? [Frederick Noronha | Devil's Advocate, in Herald]
Who's Goan where? [Frederick Noronha | Devil's Advocate] So, how many Goan expats are there in different parts of the globe? As things stand, we probably don't have a clue, but only very rough estimates and exaggerations. Recently, a statistician John Nazareth (his roots are in Moira, and he has lived in Uganda and Canada) undertook the hazardous task of calculating Goan migration levels worldwide. According to his count, there could be 4.5 lakh Goans settled across the rest of India (including 4 lakh in Mumbai, ten thousand in Delhi, and twenty thousand each in Mangalore and the rest of India). He believes there could be 50,000 Goans in the UK (including 32,000 in London and 8,000 in Swindon alone), and 43,000 in the Gulf countries (13,000 in Kuwait, 10,000 in the UAE, 8,000 in Qatar, 5,000 in Oman and 7,000 in Bahrain). Some of these figures are calculated guesses. Nazareth predicts some with a high level of confidence, and others based on guesswork. In Canada, his estimate is 34,700 Goans -- including 28,000 in the Greater Toronto Area itself, with other pockets in Montreal (2,000), Vancouver (1,500), Hamilton (800), Calgary and Edmonton (700 each). Karachi has 6000 Goans, though the number could have been as high as 25,000 in around 1956. Goans based in Karachi, like the businessman-social networker Menin Rodrigues calculate the figure to be higher though. Their story is a strange one. It involves pre-Partition economic migration, and the reality of getting caught in a communal divide they had no part in creating. Returning home today, the Pakistani Goans have a tough time with visas and police reporting. If based overseas too, their place of birth makes them suspect in the eyes of Indian consular officials. There are Goans scattered in other parts of the globe too. Some 5,800 in Australia (over half in Sydney alone). Another 5,500 in Kenya (four-fifths in Nairobi, most others in Mombasa), and just 130 surviving post-Idi Amin's Uganda. At its peak, between 1955 and 1965, there were nearly 8,000 in Uganda -- some also in Entebbe, Mbale, Jinja and elsewhere. Tanzania has some 2050 Goans, according to Nazareth (not just in Dar, but also in Tanga and Iringa), Portugal has 5000, Germany 300 and there are even 200 in Zambia, 100 in Malawi, 200 in Malaysia and 50 in Singapore. What do these figures tell us? This is a resource we've been ignoring for too long. Unfortunately, the Goa-expat equation is still based on mutual selfishness; Goa looks to its expats only for their remittances, and to make a fast buck on their affluence. At the same time, the expats have traditionally thought of Goa only as a place for the occasional holiday, and to flee back to in case of a crisis. For example, Kuwait in the early 1990s and Uganda in the 1970s. Expats are politically-uninfluential (though that could change with voting rights) and ignored by politicians. Given the chance, today's political class would happily gobble up their properties; the way mundkar laws were worked out in a emigration-prone State is a case in point. In a way, we're all expats. We have lived somewhere else, wish to go there, or have relatives overseas. This is particularly true of the Goan Catholic community, whose numbers dwindled here due to out-migration, in part. But now, every second politician is in a big hurry to get their children migrating overseas, despite all the development they have bestowed on Goa. Tiny Goa whose strength has long been its ability to plug-in to the outside world, would ignore this potent resource at its own peril. More so in times when knowledge is increasingly the lever of power in our planet. First published in Herald, Goa. ENDS
[Goanet] Fr. Domnic Alvares Sings - about San'nas, Moke, Sasumai, Calafura etc
Fr. Domnic Alvares Sings - Talk about San'nas, Moke, Sasumai, Sasupai, Zanvoi, Vokol, calafura, Mavonndo, Leitao, Zoth, Paum, Joao, Ol’lo, Ar, Deuchar, sleeping suit etc As for me, I did not know what it meant by ‘Moke’, I think we call ‘Maize/Corn’ as moke. Btw, what’s really is ‘moke’ in chicken? Could it be ‘Kukuso’ or ‘Vosug’ a sort of ‘duens’ disease in chicken find out more here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilif96zar_Y Fr. Domnic Pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr8/6086947749/ Fr. Domnic is a nephew of Late C Alvares the king of duets Also, brother of Tiatrist Rosy Alvares (Nikita VCD, Mario Menezes Tiatr) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/3285943174/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Jorge Monteiro's East Indian Problem
Dear Jorge, your comic piece was such a welcome relief from the usual boring posts on Goanet about the state of corruption in Goa when we all know the Goans themselves are hugely responsible for that corruption being major though sometimes silent participants in it. On the other hand while the East Indians have no hand in the corruption environment in Bombay, you cannot turn the community into the victim and stretch out your hand for the dole of reservation. While there have been poor and landless in your community, most of your brethren benefited hugely from the urbanization of Bombay like the Goans who owned houses and lands in Goa and are benefitting from sky-rocketing real estate even in places that once nobody cared to walk through. For example when your Bandra landowning brothers were getting crores of rupees from builders along with spacious flats for each family member, why did they not keep aside a measly crore or so for their poorer kinfolk from places like Bassein, Kalyan and Ambernath who were still farmers and fishermen. Not to worry, they too eventually became rich men although not on the scale of those in Bandra, Andheri and Wadala. And now you expect the Bishops of Bombay to look after them? You have a point with the Bishops insofar as they supervised the abuse of the church lands of many parishes left by humble and charitable East Indians in the burbs. I have known many such examples. In my own erstwhile residence of Amboli, Andheri, I have been witness to many spinsters leaving large acreage and prime land to St. Blaises Church in the village. It was Diocesan policy to have an East Indian pastor although slowly the parish numbers of Goan and Mangalorean Catholics far outnumbered the original inhabitants. All those East Indian pastors have systematically depleted the assets of the parish. Similarly in Goa, there are many poor Goan Catholics and Hindus in the northern districts (Novas Conquestas). Instead of selling off communidade property in a phased and organized manner and depositing those sales in a Goa Sovereign Fund for the benefit of those and other Goan poor, the Ministers and their village proxies have converted those into personal Swiss bank accounts. No doubt shortly all Goans will be moaning the loss of their livelihood and asking for reservations for Govt jobs. At the least the Goans have no sense of entitlement. If they are miserable, they will pack their bags and move to Bombay, Bangalore, Hyderabad or the Cruise Lines, the Gulf and Canada or Australia. The East Indian wants his flat, his fields and his Bandra feast and whatever else he thinks he can dream of getting back. Why can't he learn to do what the Goan does? Lastly I could not help noting your To be a True Christian the basic qualification is the person should have a Christian name and deep faith in Lord Jesus Christ Blessed Mother Mary. Wrong, wrong and wrong. Names have nothing to do with it. Christians other than Catholics do not believe Mary has a role with deep faith and if you believe we are all sinners as we are led to believe, than none of us are true Christians, who must necessarily be without sin. Keep your humor going George, you've got your timing just right. Roland. Toronto.
