[Goanet] ELECTION CODE OF CONDUCT VIOLATIONS - 10 ALDONA CONSTITUENCY
DESPERATE PEOPLE RESORT TO DESPERATE MEASURES The King of Aldona Dayanand Narvekar has been continuously violating the CODE OF CONDUCT thereby sending a clear signal that he has to keep his voters happy even at the last hour, A sign of utter DESPERATION. 21 January he was almost caught by the EC Flying Squad at Aldona Tinto when he started distributing cash packets and football jersies to football teams at his newly acquired house opposite the Tinto. Despite several calls to the flying squad 807960; Control Room 0832 2225083 and Mr. Ingle who is in charge for the Aldona Constituency flying squad 9405145500 Narvekar slipped away just before the squad parked infront of the house. It looks like there was constant info of the squad's movement given to Narvekar from outside or inside. Nevertheless a report has been filed and we have the copy. Mr. Ingle was told to photograph the jersies at the Quitula Football Ground on 22nd (Sunday) for proof but this has not been done. Last night 26 Jan 2012, Narvekar was to distribute cash for votes and saris etc at the SAINAGAR TEMPLE near Aldona Health Centre/Police Outpost . The timing of his visit was to be between 8.00-08.30 p.m. We staked a look-out as well as kept the Flying Squad informed and made sure they were in the area at 9.00 p.m. When Narvekar made his entry into the temple with his goons and his LADDOOS DISTRIBUTERS, the Flying Squad was informed. There were two police cum EC jeeps and Navekar's plan of distributing the goodies was foiled and he left with his tail between his legs. Despite telling the FS to check his car for the goodies, they did not do so. A report made by the FS has been signed by us and shall be collecting it from the Returning Officer Mr. Dessai 9822383488 TODAY. Cheers GRA/GSRP PS: Next time Narvekar makes his move, he is surely going to be red-handed caught. His movements are being monitored closely, especially in the evenings and on week-ends and holidays. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Any interest at interaction in Goa
THIS IS AN OPEN CALL: I will be crisscrossing India; visiting Nepal, and Bangladesh, and possibly Pakistan bet Feb 20 or so, until April 15. In Goa, I’d like to try something -- dovetailing with my notions of Goanity (but in no way suggesting that I am a worthy recipient). The idea is to interact with individuals interested in talking trips or assisting me in visiting places, either by accompanying me or suggesting must see places. What I am interested (from my interests) is to visit places of worship, places considered sacred -- those boundaries where one feels, senses, or perhaps simply imagines an extraordinary presence/silence. What would interest me is receiving place suggestions, how to get there, logistics, interest in joining me, being around while I do my drawing, rubbings, taking photos, or making notes. Other possibilities could be the possibility of meeting someone special -- even if its means travelling long distances. Here:its always good to do things reasonably; travelling say by local transport if private transport is a bit too expensive. But, I am on a budget I tell you. : ) Its about having a good time, learning about each other, places, realities -- all the stuff we see as somehow present in our Goanity. Feel free to contact me via Goanet. OR directly via email. One point to mention is that not interested in drinking. So take this into consideration. I am also not keen on shooting the breeze or being told that Goa is about chilling out! I do know solitude and its synonyms. Thank you. venantius j pinto --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Priests in politics
With utmost respect I see it differently. Do we believe that all the Christian politicians were utterly cursed: that they did not have the good wishes, expectations, the minds an the eye of the Church, nuns an priests, and laity upon them. Barad begins well below. although one should not go with the mango analogy is not on the ball. It could imply the community saying, and worse the Christians, see: the priest are the same. The result being that the experiment is abandoned. Maguir tavveo pettoilya! (Later clap hands) Read 40*** in the next paragraph. Barad says: The drive to help them should come from within and not through the position one holds in government. On the contrary..one bad mango in a basketful of good .spoils all the mangoes.this saying still holds well. Fear is... one honest priest in a gang of dirty politicians might also turn out to be like them! BUT, the fear of someone turning bad should not derail the possibility, NOR future possibilities if one or many priest are somewhat or equally corrupt. I mean shit sherlocks, what about all the 40*** or so minsters times cabinets that totally rubbed Goan noses and sensibilities in the kumao (toilet). Think of that. I mean COME ON and get your logic together! In fact, even Hindu priest of major temples should get into this. Now no point in pointing out to me (do it to your spouses or the family dog): But then how will they support themselves, who gives the temples the money. Most of them have enough to say the least. People hold to fancy notions of what their priests should be. Priests should not be considered as mere dinner companions for one. In my opinion priests should be spiritual assassins. Of course they too are human, and could have greed oozing out of every pore, but one must risk such a possibility, UNLESS ones knows for sure a paritcular person is leaning a bit more towards Mamon, than (fill blank). Attempt change by any means necessary. The shit has hit the fan, and most are presenting they have a large enough cheek. Btw, pointing this put is not being unchristian Time to get that into heads. On the other hand, villagers should be willing to get priests who are punks out of the way, even if it means cracking ribs. THAT does not mean instrumental violence. Cut the crap out dear middle class mavens/ uppers too. Lets not pretend to be something that only makes one feel elegant, but is thoroughly hollow within. We see enough of that in the petit bourgeoisie-ponn on Goanet. And then the angst ridden question flow. As, And Quiet Flows the Don, or Mandovi! In fact, priest-politicians must be supported in Goa as also in the whole freaking country; and encouraged. Nuns too. They are many who have beyond proven themselves. Journalists and writers should suck up, cultivate some theology/heuristics/ontology chops and write pieces, op-ed pieces on what a society is, on shifting roles and responsibilities -- and why things have reached this point. Hey write a novel for crying out loud. Has secularism failed is another good question to mull on, not to be confused with pathetic notions of things will be fine if there is no religion and what follows that the priest must only do this and not that. A bit of Henri du Lubac, Aquinas, Aristotle, and yes Raimundo Pannikar, Parsa Bhagwat, Gora Kumbhar Chokamela -- would not be such a bad idea. Christian journos could drink one less tea and educate yourselves as well as non-Christians journos on notions of caritas (not carrots!), etc., needs a strong segment of the laity as good advisers. I hope the big boys are tuned in certainly Pdr. Loyola. I truly hope so. venantius j pinto Message: 8 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:47:14 +0530 From: valley faleiro valley_fale...@hotmail.com To: goa news goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Priests in politics My own feeling is that there is no need for priests to stand or join politics. They can help the people to come out and VOTE for the right candidate. Better still if they could support a GOOD CANDIDATE to stand for the election. Yes , with priests living their daily life with dirty mangoes , will not make difference to our lives. COME OUT AND VOTE FOR THE RIGHT CANDIDATE !! Valley Faleiro From: dr.udayba...@gmail.com To: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:36:53 +0530 Subject: [Goanet] Priests in politics Ann, there is nothing wrong in Priest of Christians, Imam / Mullah of Muslim and Bhatji of Hindus joining politics! Let's motivate them to enter politics so that we will get government ruled by religious philosophy rather than dirty politician's philosophy. Once we achieve this, and to accommodate politicians, let's make all these dirty politicians the preachers of respective religions, what say? I think, one need not become MLA or MP or head of any political body to help poor and the depressed. The drive to help them should come from within and not through the position one
[Goanet] Goans of the world unite !
Let us for argument sake assume that Goan (and especially its Velhas Conquistas) territory is sitting on a thick layer of gold which when extracted would make Goa the richest territory in the whole world. The Goa Government with its overflowing treasure chest decides that all Goans will be entitled to a sort of annual comunidade zonn . Goans resident in Goa will naturally get a golden handshake but how about Goans living abroad. How are they going to prove that they were originally from Goa . Religion and Portuguese surnames will not do as there are East Indians from Mumbai and Mangaloreans meeting the same criteria. Goans with Indian passports with some sort of Goan connection therein would naturally be entitled But how about other Goans ? Unfortunately they shall have to prove they are of Goan origin and that may not be an easy proposition. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Goa Church Records - Thanks To The Mormons
On 27 January 2012 01:45, Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com wrote: About 10 years ago, the Mormons of Salt Lake City, Utah embarked on a project to microfilm the birth, marriage and death (BMD) records of as many churches in Goa as they could. In this, they received the consent and co-operation of the Goa Church authorities. Their reason for doing this was that a British project had done the same but only for people of British origin born in India. The Mormons felt that more people should be included and they undertook the work at their own effort and expense, starting with Goa. Someone discussing the issue about the Mormons having the largest database in humankind described them thus, The Church of the Latter Day Saints are viewed here in the UK as being a cooky / odd bunch of religious nutcases. [1] Even while fighting with myself to avoid arguing against the person or the organisation itself (because that is subjective anyway, and one person's nutcase views are very routine for someone else), I couldn't help pointing to some of their beliefs: QUOTE During the 19th century Mormon converts tended to gather to a central geographic location, and between 1852 and 1890 many Mormons openly practiced plural marriage, a form of religious polygamy. Mormons dedicate large amounts of time and resources to serving in their church, and many young Mormons choose to serve a full time proselyting mission. Mormons have a health code that eschews alcoholic beverages, tobacco, coffee, tea, and other addictive substances... [2] More to the point is the reason why they set up this database, which Roland doesn't touch on in enough detail, in my view: QUOTE The Genealogical Society of Utah, founded in 1894, later became the Family History Department of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS), commonly called the Mormon Church. The department's research facility, the Family History Library, which has developed the most extensive genealogical record-gathering program in the world,[citation needed] was established to assist in tracing family lineages for special religious ceremonies that Mormons believe will seal family units together for eternity. Mormons believe that this fulfilled a biblical prophecy stating that the prophet Elijah would return to 'turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers.'[3] ENDQUOTE Possibly, this may be good for genealogical research as such. But then, there are other issues that come up. Privacy, for instance. What if you want to get your name out of that database? Check [4] There is an e-how on how to do this specifically. Till we understand such issues better, I suggest we SHOULD look at the 'gift horse' in the mouth. Or is it just doing something with good potential for a cooky reason? The law of unintended consequences has also shaped Goa and Goans, sometimes in ways we are not unhappy with, many times in the past. Since Timoja and probably before. Finally, to complicate matters even further, the Catholic Church has apparently sent out letters, asking bishops to keep their records away from the Mormons! [5] Too late, my greatgrandparents names have already been sealed :-) FN [1] http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread640197/pg1 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy [4] http://www.ehow.com/how_8051104_name-out-lds-genealogy-records.html [5] http://genealogyblog.geneanet.org/index.php/post/2008/05/Vatican-letter-directs-bishops-to-keep-parish-records-from-Mormons.html -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Books from Goa,1556 http://scr.bi/Goa1556Books Audio recordings (mostly from Goa): http://bit.ly/GoaRecordings --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Willy and Trinamool Congress - Part II
Vily-Willy and his Trinamool Escapade Would any one know the real reason for Vily-Willy to track it down all the way to Kolkata and shake hands with Mami Banerjee? In Goa, apart from being propped-up in the Planning Commission where otherwise he would be accumulating mildew, moss and dust. He could not have a say even for his own road for years, now having been partly beautifully done-up by the new-comer of the BJP. His heavy tie up ( 5 crores) with Banerjee's TC has nothing in it for AMCHEM BANGARACHEM GOEM but all for Mamta's TC with Vily-Willy being the delivery-boy. TC is a State Party. It badly needs National recognition. With the booty that Vily-Willy has got from Mamta, he intends mopping up a few votes here and a few votes there in these Goa's crucial elections where its IDENTITY is sought to be saved. This miserable mop-up of votes will fill up Mamta's vote basket to claim Recognition by the Election Commission of India as another INDIA's destabilizing NATIONAL PARTY. What about GOA?? Naturally GOA BE DAMNED. Isn't Vily Willy a real DOG IN THE MANGER?? whose only sentiment is: IF I CANNOT HAVE IT, I WILL NOT LET ANYONE HAVE IT EITHER Cheers floriano GRA/GSRP PS: Unfortunately, with himself in the fray in Aldona, which Constituency is owned by his dear 'grand-mother' (we are told), he thinks that the mop-up of the share of votes for Mamta will be abundant. Nevertheless, no hard feelings here. Dotor happens to be my very good friend, me having a particular love for him, but not the kind of LOVE that I have for my GOA. I wish him all the very best for TRINAMOOL --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Quilts of Goa - Workshop Exhibition
Dear Friends As part of an initiative we are involved with, we are organising a Godhadi Workshop with 4 traditional Godhadi wallis from Keri, Bali, Margao and Panjim at the Goa College of Home Science on Tuesday 31st am. The day is a collaborative workshop between the Goa College of Home Science, Research Institute for Women and the Needlecraft Group. The day will begin with a brief opening and felicitation of 97 year old Godhadi walli from Santa Cruz, a presentation on Quilts of India by researcher Patrick J Finn, an exhibition of the Needlecraft Group's collaborative quilt themed on Goa, and exhibits of many traditional forms and styles of Goan godhadis and manes. The sessions will begin at 10.00 am and end by 4. 30 pm. Please come to learn more about this revitalisation project, meet these traditional needlecrafters, join the Needlecraft group and view the exhibits. We look forward, Blog: http://goabookworm.wordpress.com Website: http://www.thebooktreasury.org 9823222665 or -832-2420146. Bluebelle 2nd Fl, Tamba Colony, St. Inez.,Goa 403001 --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Goans of the world unite !
Dear Antonio, How are you? If the Portuguese government can take the trouble of proving Goan ancestry even three generations back and awarding us Portuguese citizenship based on that, surely the Goa government can offer us the same courtesy. It is not at all difficult to prove Goan ancestry, thanks to the Catholic Church which kept excellent baptismal records (now archived by the Mormons - thanks Roland, I will definitely be following up that link as it seems Nuvem is one of the churches they archived. I understand - maybe incorrectly- the Mormons later ran into resistance from the Church authorities in Goa). I am all for the preservation of Goan land and heritage. But all the stakeholders must be consulted before any decision is taken. I am also of the opinion that the preservation of land can only come through classifying it as agricultural, conservation, heritage, etc. At the moment people are buying agriculture land and building on it. I have seen with my own eyes huge mega-projects coming up on what were previously paddy fields. These people are mostly Goans and have gotten permission in connivance with Goans. Bringing into effect a law that says non-Goans cannot buy agricultural land makes no sense. We actually don't need more laws. What we need is effective implementation of the laws in existence. And unfortunately the ones who contravene laws are more often than not our wonderful politicians. Best, selma --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Any interest at interaction in Goa
A pleasant surprise in my mailbox from a Salesian nun who just pointed out: This interest of yours to visit places of worship, places considered sacred -- those boundaries where one feels, senses, or perhaps simply imagines an extraordinary presence/silence; monuments, observe the landscape, tribal villages, etc. definitely has its origin in the One who made a world without boundaries. How lovely and profound! Lawd, there is hope! : ) venantius j pinto --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] About 53 Goan survivors / crew members of the ill-fated Costa Concordia offered thanksgiving mass today
About 53 Goan survivors / crew members of the ill-fated Costa Concordia offered thanksgiving mass at Holy Cross Shrine, Bambolim today On 27thJanuary 2012. Earlier, there was a thanksgiving Ladainha / Litany at the Miraculous Cross or Fulamcho Khuris The choir was also formed entirely of the survivors. In the end, they sang ‘argam tuka Somia’ amidst clapping of hands. Followed by ‘Goemcho Saib’ orassao ‘Sam Francis Xaviera’ Of the 53, there were many in their early 20’s Some pics Fr. Freddy D’ Souza Pallottine priest, based in US http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769918979/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769919423/in/photostream/ Church / Mass - left http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769917765/in/photostream/ right http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769916409/in/photostream/ middle http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769913627/in/photostream/ The Main Altar http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769914955/in/photostream/ the 5 men choir (all survivors) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769918149/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769918587/in/photostream/ all Survivors http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769919787/sizes/l/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769920171/sizes/l/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk48/6769921649/sizes/l/in/photostream/ blog http://joegoauk-pointofview.blogspot.com/2012/01/meet-some-goan-survivors-of-ill-fated.html video coming soon.. joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] All Goan Survivors of Costa Concordia come together to say THANK YOU to Lord - Video
All Goan Survivors of Costa Concordia come together tos ay THANK YOU to Lord - Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPx3_gPk2ms or watch it bigger in this blog http://joegoauk-pointofview.blogspot.com/2012/01/meet-some-goan-survivors-of-ill-fated.html joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] The dark underbelly of Goan society in London
In response to this post of mine, I got some interesting private responses. I feel the need to address some of these. I had posed the question, is there a difference between East African Goans and Portuguese Passport Goans in the UK? If so why? On the face of it, there is a vast difference. One is articulate, refined, lives in a fine home and delicately sips Rose wine while regaling you with stories of clubs in Africa. The other finds it difficult to converse in English, is engaged in a factory job, gets drunk and has public brawls, some of which end up with knives in people's stomachs. But in reality, underneath these superfluous differences, both are very similar creatures. The real difference in, the middle-class knows the fine art of hiding their problems under a pristine veneer of respectability. And so what is a social issue for the middle-class becomes a criminal issue for the working class. The two faces of Goa that I spoke about is really one face; one with make-up, the other without. The UK is one of the most fascinating place to study Goan culture. Here you have layers and layers of Goan culture in varying states of evolution. I can write realms about UK Goans but of course if I ever tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, I shall have to change my name and address and emigrate to the moon. So sadly it shall all remain with me, unless one night I have too much Rose wine :-) Take care, selma --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Goa Church records, thanks to the Mormons
In the late 1960s and early 1970s, after emigrating to the USA, I went to University attending night classes for many years. One of my Professors was a Stake-holder or the equivalent of a Bishop in the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints, colloquially known as the Mormons. The Mormons had just constructed a very impressive church on a hillock in Silver Spring, Maryland close to where I had lived at that time, a stone's throw away from the Washington DC boundary. Having constructed the church, knowing that there were a lot of curious folks out there, they allowed a few people by invitation only, to tour their new church. My Professor was kind enough to give my family an invitation. This is where I learnt a few things about the Mormon church. The church building was not a church in the conventional sense,(at least this one in the Washington DC suburbs) as it did not have a large central chamber of worship like conventional churches. It was a magnificent building nevertheleess. It was situated on a hill with a good vantage point and was quite tall and had a golden angel (the Angel Moroni) blowing a trumpet. When we entered the main foyer there was a huge bowl like structure mounted on 4 Oxen figgures.We were told that worshippers first had to ritually wash their feet and then go into changing rooms where they changed into all white clothes (robes for women and suits for men), Then they went to different chambers depending on what they were to do that day. There were a lot of separate chambers. One was for brides with wall to wall mirrors. Another was the genealogical library with dozens of Microfiche machines (before computers came into widespread use), where they could research the geneaology of their ancestors etc. We were told that according to their faith, they searched for the names of their ancestors and ritually retroactively converted them to the Mormon faith. This was the primary purpose of their genealogical research. I dont recall what the other chambers were for. The inside of the building was all clad in white marble with no windows, but large vertical sheets of translucent brown and white marble, providing some difused light. We walked on what must have been very expensive very plush sink in the pile royal blue carpeting. After allowing a week for people to view their sanctuary as they referred to the building, the entire church was ritually cleaned, the expensive carpet removed and destroyed and the church re-carpeted. The church was then sealed off for non-Mormons and those not in good books with their church. This was told to me by my Professor. The Mormons eschew all stimulants including alcohol, coffee, chocolate etc. They also maintain within their homes, enough food to last 6 months. This is probably because of their history when they were persecuted by Americans of other denominations, and had to flee westwards till they landed in the state of Utah,. They contribute 10 percent of their earnings to their church and in turn when they are in financial trouble they are supported by the congregation till the person is back on his feet. They tend to have large families and believe in strong family bonds. When a Mormon boy turns 18, he is required to give one year of service as a Missionary in foreign countries. All in all, I have a very favorable impression of people of the Mormon faith, many of whom were my personal friends. As I recall, the Mormon church was founded in Pennsylvania, USA by their prophet Joseph Smith, who is reputed to have received two golden tablets on a mountain top from the Angel Moroni. In the early years of their faith, because of their depleted numbers, especially the men having lost their lives while defending themselves against persecution, the church encouraged men to take several wives, because there were so many women without husbands. It is also alleged (I stress alleged) that they at one time looked down on people with color as lesser human beings, and only whites were allowed to join their church. This has since changed. One of the U.S. Presidential candidates Mitt Romney is of the Mormon faith. Another very prominent family in the Hospitality industry, the Marriott family are also Mormon. The Goa Marriott Hotel is affiliated with the Marriott Hotel chain. The Mormons are reputed to have the best geneaological database inthe world. So I am not surprised that they even have information about our Goa churches. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] BOOK REVIEW: Moda Goa: History and Style by Wendell
-Original Message- From: Bernado Colaco For once please write something that makes sense. RESPONSE: Accha!?! No doubt you have a monopoly on writing nonsense on a daily basis, innit?? - B --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Priests in politics
I don't know what prompted Venantius to write in misinterpreting my message (appended here below)!! I repeat there is no harm in priest joining politics!!! According to me, Priests are primarily meant to guide our path towards Christ and therefore my concern is will priests succeed in achieving this vision and mission if they take on additional responsibility of becoming politician? I raise this question because I see many priests spending 24x7 hours every week achieving above objective with no much success in modern thinking world. This difficulty is also witnessed in other religions. Their struggle in one duty alone prompts me that priests, for that matter any religious head, should not be encouraged to enter politics. Lastly, as Venantius says, there is nothing like trying and seeing how irremovable mess starts gathering around, what say? Venantius, do encourage more and more priest to join politics. Hope Goa and Goans see more number of priest politicians in upcoming election! Best regards, U. G. Barad With utmost respect I see it differently. Do we believe that all the Christian politicians were utterly cursed: that they did not have the good wishes, expectations, the minds an the eye of the Church, nuns an priests, and laity upon them. Barad begins well below. although one should not go with the mango analogy is not on the ball. It could imply the community saying, and worse the Christians, see: the priest are the same. The result being that the experiment is abandoned. Maguir tavveo pettoilya! (Later clap hands) Read 40*** in the next paragraph. Barad says: The drive to help them should come from within and not through the position one holds in government. On the contrary..one bad mango in a basketful of good .spoils all the mangoes.this saying still holds well. Fear is... one honest priest in a gang of dirty politicians might also turn out to be like them! BUT, the fear of someone turning bad should not derail the possibility, NOR future possibilities if one or many priest are somewhat or equally corrupt. I mean shit sherlocks, what about all the 40*** or so minsters times cabinets that totally rubbed Goan noses and sensibilities in the kumao (toilet). Think of that. I mean COME ON and get your logic together! In fact, even Hindu priest of major temples should get into this. Now no point in pointing out to me (do it to your spouses or the family dog): But then how will they support themselves, who gives the temples the money. Most of them have enough to say the least. People hold to fancy notions of what their priests should be. Priests should not be considered as mere dinner companions for one. In my opinion priests should be spiritual assassins. Of course they too are human, and could have greed oozing out of every pore, but one must risk such a possibility, UNLESS ones knows for sure a paritcular person is leaning a bit more towards Mamon, than (fill blank). Attempt change by any means necessary. The shit has hit the fan, and most are presenting they have a large enough cheek. Btw, pointing this put is not being unchristian Time to get that into heads. On the other hand, villagers should be willing to get priests who are punks out of the way, even if it means cracking ribs. THAT does not mean instrumental violence. Cut the crap out dear middle class mavens/ uppers too. Lets not pretend to be something that only makes one feel elegant, but is thoroughly hollow within. We see enough of that in the petit bourgeoisie-ponn on Goanet. And then the angst ridden question flow. As, And Quiet Flows the Don, or Mandovi! In fact, priest-politicians must be supported in Goa as also in the whole freaking country; and encouraged. Nuns too. They are many who have beyond proven themselves. Journalists and writers should suck up, cultivate some theology/heuristics/ontology chops and write pieces, op-ed pieces on what a society is, on shifting roles and responsibilities -- and why things have reached this point. Hey write a novel for crying out loud. Has secularism failed is another good question to mull on, not to be confused with pathetic notions of things will be fine if there is no religion and what follows that the priest must only do this and not that. A bit of Henri du Lubac, Aquinas, Aristotle, and yes Raimundo Pannikar, Parsa Bhagwat, Gora Kumbhar Chokamela -- would not be such a bad idea. Christian journos could drink one less tea and educate yourselves as well as non-Christians journos on notions of caritas (not carrots!), etc., needs a strong segment of the laity as good advisers. I hope the big boys are tuned in certainly Pdr. Loyola. I truly hope so. venantius j pinto Ann, there is nothing wrong in Priest of Christians, Imam / Mullah of Muslim and Bhatji of Hindus joining politics! Let's motivate them to enter politics so that we will get government ruled by religious philosophy rather than dirty politician's philosophy. Once we achieve this,
[Goanet] ALCOHOL After SUNDAY MASS BMC ELECTIONS
The Bible and Christian tradition taught that alcohol is a gift from God that makes life more joyous but that overindulgence leading to drunkenness is a sin………There are many many many lay catholics in bombay who after attending the Sunday Mass go to the local Country liquor shop and have a quarter or half or full bottle of country liquor - some go to the local whisky-rum-brandy-beer shop and take a quarter or half or full bottle of brandy or whisky or rum - some catholic youth take beer……..unlike the parish priest who drinks a very tiny cup of wine during the Sunday mass eucharistic celebration due to which the priest remains in his senses the same is not the case with some of the lay catholics in bombay……the lay catholics are drinking bottle or bottles of country liquor or rum or whisky or brandy which results in drunkenness and they start behaving erratically or sinfullyAn interesting point to note is during the Sunday Mass only the communion bread is served for the laity and not the wine whereas Jesus Christ had shared the bread wine with his disciples………In the Early Church both clergy and laity received the consecrated wine by drinking from the chalice, after receiving a portion of the consecrated bread. Alcohol is a product of fermented fruits, grains and honey. In this process, yeast is used to turn the sugar into alcohol. Alcohol is used in many forms like as a sedative, as a cleaner and as an antiseptic agent. The alcoholic beverages are consumed by humans, from the prehistoric period, for many reasons. Large amount of alcohol consumption leads to intoxication and hangovers. The regular intake of alcohol in high dosages, causes many long and short term effects on the various body parts, like the bone structures, bloodstream, liver, stomach, pancreas, heart, peripheral tissues and mouth. Regular or high consumption of alcohol can cause serious central nervous system disorders……Alcoholism may also lead to depression, antisocial behavior, psychosis, delusions, ataxia, seizures, craving for food and irritability. In the catholic seminaries (college where youth are trained to become priests) in Bombay the Parish Priests were not given any training on what type of sermons they should give that will enlighten the laity to improve their health wealth………neither the Priests were trained on how they should use church funds for the benefit of the parishioners…….neither the Priests were trained on how they should utilize vacant church properties for the housing needs of the parishioners……neither the Priests were trained on what they should do to ensure that minimum 50% students in parish schools are from the catholic community. The Catholic Clergy in Bombay have programmed the native catholics of bombay to remain non-combative non-aggressive non-ambitious politicallyinactive this explains why catholics in bombay don’t have any vision and mission and courage to agitate for land rights – govt jobs – govt. housing – civic facilities……….the official magazine of the Archdiocese of Bombay also does not have any content in it that will awaken the catholic laity in bombay from their deep slumber………some lay catholics in bombay need to pool in resources and start a weekly lay catholic magazine and put content in it that will awaken the laity from their deep deep deep slumber and make the laity combative aggressive ambitious politicallyactive and make the laity agitate for land rights – govt. jobs – govt. housing – civic facilities and awaken the laity to control the corrupt activities of some of the parish priests who are misusing church funds – illegally selling away vacant church properties and siphoning off the money – refusing admission to children of poor catholics – behaving like dictators. The BMC elections are two weeks away…….and people are being urged to vote…..but why should people waste their time voting when the elected Corporator is only going to serve the interests of the builders lobby……better option should be for citizens to go directly to their local ward office and get things done rather than expect the Corporator to do anything good. The Kolis living in the koliwadas of bombay are preoccupied with catching fish selling fish and drinking alcohol…..neither the kolis agitated to change the name of bombay to mumbai………neither the kolis are bothered whether anyone uses the word bombay or mumbai or slumbai…..but for the trade union of the marathi migrants in bombay i.e. the shiv sena wiping out the Portuguese/British history of bombay was more important than improving civic conditions in koliwadas or providing jobs for the koli youth in BMC..for the marathi migrants bombay is a hen that lays golden eggs for them…….most of the money they make here they transfer to their native places in other parts of maharashtra for renovating houses or purchase land or for marriage and for various other purposes……..these marathi migrants have no interest in protecting open spaces mangroves ponds
Re: [Goanet] ELECTION CODE OF CONDUCT VIOLATIONS - 10 ALDONA CONSTITUENCY
A pity that The King/s has/have not been caught on camera. We are still in Jan and it would have been a memento of their way out! I mean with all the cyber worthies in Goa this should be possible! Would that be a breach of privacy -- notions that no one should have in this context! Or perhaps a matter of a sting costing some money. venantius j pinto --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Christian art museum burgled, guard killed
Interesting that this news was found not fit for the headlines of local newspapers. A non-significant issue like the priest contesting elections makes repeated headlines. There is something seriously wrong with the Goan psyche. Soter D'souza --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Dear Mr. Manohar Parrikar
The anti Catholic CD is all over Youtube and highly patronized by the RSS. It is a shame that some Goans continue patronizing this evil man. BC --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Post Independence Konkani poetry: a mini-review (by Dr Nandkumar Kamat)
His political or ideological views won't make anyone less of a poet (provided he's into poetry). Whether you like Karmali or not. FN On 27 January 2012 16:16, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: It is strange how the author promotes a RSS and anti Catholic Karmali as a poet. Just an other crap story from the brainwashed. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] late Mario Miranda awarded Padma Vibhushan
In my opinion Dr. Jose Pereira IS an artist, and his theological concerns stemmed from his artistic concerns. Not the other way around, although it seems like that! (Read, Grace and Necessity: Reflections on Art and Love). This is not hard to see. An artist does not need to have an extensive oeuvre, nor one that satisfies the art world. It is about what the artist has reflected upon, allowing those voices to manifest. The Goan media, perhaps with its attendant legal fictions, fixations and felicities to certain sensibilities are saying a lot by saying little about Dr. Pereira; that what is comprehensible and palatable to their kind and the kind they kowtow to --- is a Miranda over a Pereira. This is not to cast any aspersions on Miranda's work/ Also remember that none of Mario Miranda's work or views, to my knowledge ever rankled the bigots. Other ideas and conjecture may flow from the point just made, including those of political facilitation. venantius j pinto Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:55:04 +0400 From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] late Mario Miranda awarded Padma Vibhushan Both the Navhind Times and OHeraldo highlighted Mario de Miranda getting the award in their headlines but ignored Dr. Jose Pereira. No doubt Mario has been in the news following his death but Dr. Pereira should have also got a share ot the limelight. In one newspaper story, perhaps from a news agency, Dr. Pereira's name is missing and in another paper his name appears in the body copy., I can understand that the common Goan is unaware of Dr. Pereira but I hoped at least rhose managing news desks should have found him worthy of giving him prominence. I am Goan living abroad, Dr. Pereira's work has concentrated on Konkani and Goan art and architecture. As for me, the eminent historian is highly placed in the Goan intelligentsia than Mario. Their field of work is different, but at one point it comes together is in their painting. Besides being a historian, Dr. Pereira is also a painter. Goans in Goa may well remember the ruckus created over his painting on religious themes. It is good that these two outstanding Goans have earned the recognition from the Indian government, though Mario has had the privilege of winning other government awards. There are many Goans both in India and abroad who must be recognized for their work in their respective fields. Eugene --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] BJP to make migrant stay very comfortable in Goa?
While we Goans accuse Congress of encouraging migrant vote banks what does this assuarance by Parrikar amount to? Have Goans forgottten the long queues of migrants outside the Collector's building for regularisation of encroachments, particularly communidade lands, through a scheme launched by BJP Government in Goa? Parrikar woos Chimbel with legal houses TEAM HERALD teamher...@herald-goa.com MERCES: Extending an olive branch to the Indira Nagar residents, Opposition Leader Manohar Parrikar assured that he would resolve the issue of regularisation of houses at IndiraNagar within a year if BJP is voted to power. Parrikar made the statement while speaking at Indira Nagar as the Jansampark Abhiyan rally reached St Cruz constituency on Monday. Speaking further, Parrikar targeted the Congress government for using the Indira Nagar area as a vote bank and not caring to solve the issues plaguing the residents, including housing, garbage, sewage, etc. The Congress never showed any interest in solving the vexed issue of regularising houses as it was only interested in using the issue during every poll to garner votes, he said, citing an example wherein, during the BJP regime, he provided 32 dwellings to Indira Nagar residents whose houses were burnt in a major fire in the area. Spelling out many schemes the BJP would implement if voted to power, Parrikar urged the Indira Nagar residents to cast the vote in favour of the BJP if they want to live a decent and a dignified life. BJP Vice President Dr Wilfred Mesquita castigated the Congress government, who he alleged, is using religion as a tool to garner votes of the minorities. He further urged the locals not to fall prey to the divisive politics of the Congress and to vote for BJP, which believes in a united nation, irrespective of religion, caste, etc. Anil Hoble also advised the Indira Nagar residents to vote for the BJP, since it is the only party which is capable to regularising the houses and also solve problems affecting the area. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Goans of the world unite(Elisabeth) (Gerald)
We find it very quaint that Elisabeth ,despite her accomplishments, finds it so convenient to hang the ills confronting Goa on the peg of politician responsibility as if Goans are original milk washed virginal saints led to the slaughter or coerced into sleeping with the enemy. Goans living in Goa and Goans living elsewhere are as much responsible for the rape and pillage of Goa and its rich tapestry of agricultural heritage as persons who are Non-Goans. We know that this posture expressed by us will draw groans about Liberation -- Portuguese buccolic days vis-a vis current days, but be that as it may IT WOULD BE A SAD DAY IF GOANS WERE TO EXTERNALISE THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS OF GOA. BECAUSE WHEN GOANS EXTERNALISE THE PROBLEM OF GOA THEY INTERNALISE THEIR THEIR IMPOTENCY IN DEALING WITH THE PROBLEMS. WE MIGHT THEN AS WELL SURRENDER THEN AND GET CARRIED AS FLOATSAM WITH THE TIDE. IF WE ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION , THEN WE ARE THE PROBLEM!!! Gerry --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Report on religious freedom violation submitted to European Union
Published Date: January 26, 2012 A delegation of Christians and human rights activists has submitted a report on violations of minority rights and religious freedom in India to the European Union. The report entitled Freedom of Religion in India: Joint Stakeholders Report for the Universal Periodic Review 2012? was submitted yesterday during a meeting between the Indian delegation and the Delegation of the European Union in India in Delhi. Every four years the human rights situation of a country is assessed by the United Nation's human right's council. The report focuses on the state of religious freedom of the minorities especially of Christians and Muslims, said S Prasad, member, National Dalit Human Rights Campaign. He said that despite being a secular country, very often non-state actors in connivance with the state machinery snatch minority rights. In many states like Karnataka and Orissa, Christians are not allowed to freely practice their faith by Hindu fundamentalists. The report is the outcome of three national consultations held in New Delhi, Bangalore and Bhubaneswar, said Dhirendra Panda, human right activist from Orissa and coordinator of National Solidarity Forum that coordinated the report. John Dayal, All India Christian Council general secretary, said the Targeted Violence (Prevention, Control and Reparations) Bill 2011 should be brought into Parliament to safeguard the minorities from the fundamentalist attacks. He said the anti-conversion laws that take away the freedom of faith in contradiction to the fundamental right of a citizen should be repealed. Phillip Oliver Gross, First Secretary, Political Affairs EU said, We are quite keen to see that human rights are protected and freedom of faith respected and would draw the attention of our members towards the issue during the UPR process. Besides Dayal, Panda and Prasad, Fr. Charles Irudayam, Secretary, Office of Justice and Peace Commission of the Catholic Bishops Conference of India and Fr. Ajaya Kumar Singh, Orissa Forum for Social Action were the members of the delegation. The report was prepared by six international NGOs, including Pax Romana (International Catholic Movement for Intellectual and Cultural Affairs and International Movement of Catholic Students), World Council of Churches and Dominicans for Justice and Peace (Order of Preachers), Geneva and 87 civil society groups in India. By Ajay Kumar Singh, Bhubaneswar http://www.cathnewsindia.com/2012/01/26/report-on-religious-freedom-violation-submitted-to-european-union/ --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Post Independence Konkani poetry: a mini-review (by Dr Nandkumar Kamat)
Are you saying that the Bard of Avon was a noted goon? BC His political or ideological views won't make anyone less of a poet (provided he's into poetry). Whether you like Karmali or not. FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Priests in politics
The whole post had nothing to do with you Barad. I rarely misinterpret, and I rarely need to attack. Besides the first para does not address you at all. It was addressed to the message by Valley Faleiro. Please look at my email to which you responded and link. Faleiro's following post seems to have disappeared: (Valley Faleiro) My own feeling is that there is no need for priests to stand or join politics. They can help the people to come out and VOTE for the right candidate. Better still if they could support a GOOD CANDIDATE to stand for the election. Yes , with priests living their daily life with dirty mangoes , will not make difference to our lives. COME OUT AND VOTE FOR THE RIGHT CANDIDATE !! Valley Faleiro SEE: http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg85466.html The first paragraph of my comments AND addressed to Faleiro: With utmost respect I see it differently. Do we believe that all the Christian politicians were utterly cursed: that they did not have the good wishes, expectations, the minds an the eye of the Church, nuns an priests, and laity upon them. WAS addressed to Valley Faleiro and respectfully too. Again at: http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg85466.html Venantius agreed with you on: The drive to help them should come from within and not through the position one holds in government. I, venantius made the following comment to your-- Barad's point to the contrary vide what I agreed to above: (Barad) On the contrary..one bad mango in a basketful of good .spoils all the mangoes.this saying still holds well. Fear is... one honest priest in a gang of dirty politicians might also turn out to be like them! What I (venantius) said was: BUT, the fear of someone turning bad should not derail the possibility, NOR future possibilities if one or many priest are somewhat or equally corrupt. (TO MEAN, that even if a priest is found to be corrupt, the idea of accepting a priest entry into the electoral politics should not be chucked away then I gave that example of the 40 some corrupt ministers over so many cabinets). But I hear your POINT, which as you spell it now IS that: Their struggle in one duty alone prompts me that priests, for that matter any religious head, should not be encouraged to enter politics. So good for both of us. We are at least thinking through this. All else is said in a general manner. I am stunned that you (Barad) are unaware of my writing form. I would not address you in the PLURAL when I say Shit Sherlocks. I am addressing people in general-- Christians who have an issue (perhaps they are right in doing so) with priests in politics. I do not have to light fires and am not propelled by angst at any level. What I always do/say is to offer another angle. People can take it or leave it. About more priests getting in, that is not my concern but I do know that they have the chops for it. All we have to do is wait and see if THEY TOO defecate on the people. Its that simple. Btw, I also mentioned Hindu priests from the major temples. No one should forget that. Also look carefully at my first paragraph. It starts with castigating Christians. Have you seen anyone do that as I as Christian do?! Not asking for accolades, but that mine is not seen as some idiot logic. Its airtight! The point is to yes encourage those priest who think of getting into politics, NOT to go looking for priest and nuns, and shove them into politics. The point is also that I get tired when I do believe that on certain issues I am one of the few who speaks and speak clearly on those issues. My trajectory is almost always addressed to the Goan Christian mind. Finally I mention Pdr. Loyola for reasons I do not have to explain, but it is still done with respect. Basically there are many layers in what I say. You were addressed, complimented, and a point of yours was commented upon with sufficient personal opinion. You offered: one honest priest in a gang of dirty politicians might also turn out to be like them! I SIMPLY suggested: Even if that be the case the people have to take that risk, and supported it by pointing out 40 or so minsters x # of cabinets to point out there there have been more corruption than one or a few corrupt priests (we do not know that yet) can wreak. If this satisfies you. please say so. Otherwise rest assured I will make sure that I never interact with any text you put up on Goanet. Now understand that I am not angry or agitated. Its just that on certain issues I prefer to be understood. One final thing: It always amazes me that no questions of mine relating to any of my interests, art etc. are ever answered on Goanet, but misunderstanding crop up on many issues. I thought it was a thing of the past. Finally, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, trust me there is nothing that you, Barad will have to say anymore. I have explained myself, and answered your points. Best. venantius j pinto Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012
[Goanet] Congrats JOEGOAUK
JOEGOAUK Congrats joe you really get Goa to Goans not only inside ,but those who are far out of its boundaries I personally feel that you are the best thing that happened to Goa net. Keep up the wonderful and sincere job. The visuals are a real treat that keep Goans in touch and connected with the roots more than million words written every day. It is a little wonder how you manage to update every day from different corners of Goa You deserve our appreciation and gratitude. I have taken the liberty to mail some posts TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT CONNECTED WITH THE GOANET i AM REALLY AT A LOSS, HOW WELL TO EXPRESS MY THANKS The capitals stress the emphasis Really you serve as the best embassasdor for goans Much is expected from people who do more your sacrifices are not in vain. I am late, but late then never nelson lopes chinchinim --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Goa news for January 28, 2012
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Sesa Goa rallies nearly 7% on higher volumes - Economic Times Gy91nmJyVCg http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFfUCbxs3HGpPgYovl5u8S1VoVubgurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/stocks/stocks-in-news/sesa-goa-rallies-nearly-7-on-higher-volumes/articleshow/11647516.cms *** Guards suspected in Goa's biggest robbery - Times of India olice-investigating-burglary-at-christian-museum/6997.htmGoa police investigating burglary at Christian museum http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFuuTEo6AkYW9uQghVc390aCpCTuQurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Guards-suspected-in-Goas-biggest-robbery/articleshow/11657716.cms *** Goa Assembly elections: Liquor curbs ahead of polls affecting Goa's casinos - Economic Times 1 pm in poll-bound Goa is affecting the state's night life, the casino lobby has said and feared that these offshore and on-shore pleasure joints would have to be closed down if the restrictions remain. http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHr_kz-dzCjHPIgYivU-erTnrlEGgurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/goa-assembly-elections-liquor-curbs-ahead-of-polls-affecting-goas-casinos/articleshow/11654298.cms *** Goa through the eyes of design - Deccan Chronicle istoric times till the present did indeed grow out of a garment. Mario Miranda came to me asking me to write a specific chapter on a ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHlMcY8yUqew0I7EJUHKTeS_19V3gurl=http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/lifestyle/books/goa-through-eyes-design-489 *** Dust Track: 'I've changed. Now Goa wants change' - The Hindu HEayRzjAT_bDdw http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHbjG8JNBWQgIFf-sNi4IG_Ntkk1wurl=http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/other-states/article2837407.ece *** Restaurants he Goa goulash http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHMTCRZkiOr19QclEpsg86djWxNywurl=http://www.livemint.com/2012/01/26192921/Restaurants--The-Goa-goulash.html *** Goa MLAs most vocal in House, says ADR data - Deccan Herald ccan HeraldWhen it came to making their voice heard, Goa's opposition MLAs were far ahead. The BJP asked all the questions, putting in 8796 of them to trip the Congress led government in the Assembly. In the Manipur House only 565 questions were put to the ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHW-O1TMorsmlWU7_clwKbmtPA68Aurl=http://www.deccanherald.com/content/222578/goa-mlas-most-vocal-house.html *** From events to a seminar, it's all about helping youth to help themselves - Times of India young leaders' conference as part of the annual techno-managerial festival, Quark. The conference aimed at bringing together young leaders, entrepreneurs and ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFSb8a4B4Y0lbNHOxCJZKFBMMubnwurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/From-events-to-a-seminar-its-all-about-helping-youth-to-help-themselves/articleshow/11657681.cms *** The country needs individual super-excellence: CSIR chief - Times of India mes of IndiaHe was speaking at the 24th annual convocation of the Goa University at Taleigao on Friday. India went from being an exporter of raw hides to being a leader in fashion leathers. India is the only country where the life expectancy has gone up from 35 ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFK2ScFUNIf5aBimSJCygTUaYKH9wurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/The-country-needs-individual-super-excellence-CSIR-chief/articleshow/11657331.cms *** Praful to visit Goa to decide on tickets - Times of India BLwICAGe8qDMand more » http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNERIotxWWmr996vurAxEw4Iciw70wurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Praful-to-visit-Goa-to-decide-on-tickets/articleshow/11657382.cms Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] BJP to make migrant stay comfortable in Goa?
To Goanet - Disgusting to read Manohar#39;s pandering to illegal squatters on Goan land. r --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Goans of the world unite !
On 27 January 2012 15:38, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: I am all for the preservation of Goan land and heritage. But all the stakeholders must be consulted before any decision is taken. Are migrants who have settled in Goa -- specially the disempowered -- not stakeholders too? If you reply in the negative, be prepared to one day be swept aside by the same waves of exclusivism and intolerance gaining currency in Goa now. So far, Goan chauvinism has been effectively used against the Goan him/herself. For instance, while it appears that the domicile clause protects local interests (whatever that means), it is actually being used against, say, children of migrants to the Gulf who may not have the 15 years residence here needed to claim a medical or engineering seat. The exceptions made for some expats' kids exist in theory but are hardly sufficient (high fees, few seats on this quota). I fail to understand why we don't recognise Goa as a two-way migration-oriented society, where both (outwards and inward migration) are related. I fail to understand how we can portray outmigrants as heroes and in-migrants as villians, where both are part of similar economic and other processes... Above all, both those quite happy to disenfranchise the expat and also those who disempower and stereotype the in-migrant (Lalu Ram and Mohammed Iqbal from Bihar) are guilty of neglecting the Golden Rule. Do unto others what you'd wish them to do to you... FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Operation Plastic-Free Saligao on 26 January 2012 (by Rose Fernandes)
Dear Muriel Mario I was delighted to hear through goanet of the operation plastic-free Saligao taking place on 26 January. Hopefully, it was an outstanding success bringing oxygen to the soil of the village. It will be interesting to know how all this plastic/litter was disposed off or recycled. This is a wonderful initiative of people participation and I am sure that all of us whose origins are from Saligao would sincerely like to thank you and all the men and women of our beloved village who took part. You have led the way to show that this operation plastic-free/litter can be done. Maybe other areas in Goa, through civil authorities, will hear of and take similar action all the way from the top of the Western Ghats bringing life to the Salmona Springs as water tables become unpolluted. Once again thanks and best wishes. Rose Fernandes Thornton Heath, Surrey, United Kingdom 27 January 2012 --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Goa needs a nautical college, say seafarers
Goan Thanksgiving after the Costa Concordia (January 27, 2012) http://www.archive.org/details/GoanThanksgivingAfterTheCostaConcordia 1 01-interviews 22:28 2 02-prayers 20:48 3 03-konkanimass 45:56 The January 13, 2012 tragedy saw the Miami-based Carnival Corp's cruise vessel Costa Concordia being wrecked in Europe. As many as 53 crewmembers were from Goa, India. They returned home to offer prayers and thanksgiving for emerging safe (one Goan-origin youth, based in Mumbai or Bombay, was still untraced though), and talk of their issues and concerns. Also a recording of a Mass in Konkani. The cruise staff talk about the difficulties they face (in getting their CDC documentation and banking remittances), and the need for a Seafarers' Commissioner, as a nodal agency dealing with their issues. A nautical college could make a difference in the jobs people from Goa get on board the ship. Fr Freddy D'Souza, a Pallotine priest who has travelled with some cruise ships, said the Mass. http://www.archive.org/details/GoanThanksgivingAfterTheCostaConcordia This audio is part of the collection: Community Audio Artist/Composer: Recorded by FN/Frederick Noronha Date: 2012-01-27 Keywords: goa; costa concordia; crew; salcete; bambolim cross; thanksgiving; survivors; cruise ship Creative Commons license: Attribution 3.0 Contacts: Goa Seamen Association of India presid...@goanseamen.com Dixon Vaz, GSAI dixonvaz112rediffmail.com Fr Freddy (has been a volunteer priest chaplain on seven cruise ships) frfreddy_dso...@rediffmail.com PHOTOS: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Books from Goa,1556 http://scr.bi/Goa1556Books Audio recordings (mostly from Goa): http://bit.ly/GoaRecordings --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Link: Celebrate Robin!
Celebrate Robin! via the ONN ONN is Hosting a Party and You’re Invited… (Toronto, ON) After more than 12 years at the helm of the Ontario Trillium Foundation (OTF), Chief Executive Officer Robin Cardozo will be leaving the Foundation in the spring to join SickKids Foundation as Chief Operating Officer. He leaves very big shoes to fill said Jini Stolk, Co-Chair of the ONN Steering Committee. Under Robin's leadership, Trillium has grown in reach and scope and is now one of the most important and responsive funders in Canada. The Ontario Trillium Foundation is a key funder of innovation, collaboration and new ways of working in Ontario's communities added Tonya Surman, ONN Co-Chair. With Trillium funding projects in every neighbourhood and every sector, Robin's leadership has made a difference in the lives of everyone in Ontario. The nonprofit sector is so appreciative of Robin's leadership, his respect for the sector and his commitment to the work that we do. Come celebrate Robin’s accomplishments and wish him well for his next endeavors, Friday February 3, 2012, 5-7pm 720 Bathurst Street, Centre for Social Innovation, Toronto, Ontario RSVP required: contact via the address below for link -- Albert Peres afpe...@3129.ca 416.660.0847 cell --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Do men have an age limit for having children? | Fox News
The crap posted by Con Menezes below has been repeatedly posted to Goanet. I have no idea why. Here are my responses in the thread in which it was posted the last time about 2 years ago. http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg60565.html http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg60570.html http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg60632.html http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg60633.html http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg60685.html http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg60723.html http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg60571.html You can also access links to the posts of the defenders of the crap in question. Cheers, Santosh - Original Message - From: Con Menezes cmene...@tpg.com.au http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman/how-scientific-is-modern_b_543158.html --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Goans of the world unite(Elisabeth) (Gerald)
On 27 January 2012 15:07, Gerald Fernandes cdoger...@yahoo.co.in wrote: GF: [1] We find it very quaint that Elisabeth ,despite her accomplishments, finds it so convenient to hang the ills confronting Goa on the peg of politician responsibility as if Goans are original milk washed virginal saints led to the slaughter or coerced into sleeping with the enemy. JC Response: While, I agree that the residents of Goa (a percentage of them in 2012, Goans) are partly responsible for this situation, I agree with Gerald in that one cannot only blame the politicians. One needs to locate the real masters of the politicians and blame them. BTW: Who are the We in the above sentence which starts with We find it quaint? (:-) -- GF [2] Goans living in Goa and Goans living elsewhere are as much responsible for the RAPE and PILLAGE of Goa and its rich tapestry of agricultural heritage as persons who are Non-Goans. JC Response: I never did get to meet Elloy Sequeira who reportedly owned the High End exquisite watches shop near the Panjim Garden. He had sadly passed before I came to Goa as a student. I, however, did get to meet his family members. Talking to them and others who lived in Panjim (then Pangim) at the time, I heard how Elloy and many Goans were broken by the shopping which took place in the immediate aftermath of 1961. Even though Gerald was a toddler at the time, and hence not a member of the invading forces, whenever I read the words RAPE and PILLAGE, my attention goes back to Gerald's senior colleagues. jc --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] BJP to make migrant stay comfortable in Goa?
Rajan, This is compulsion of politics. If not Manohar someone else will do it. Gullible voters think a change of party or politician will solve their problem. Now the priest will cleanse all the sins. Wait in hope! Goan brains seem to be pickled with booze that they canot see the Truth and run after the rainbow in the sky. - Soter D'souza --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Audio slideshow: Bombay's jazz age
Audio slideshow: Bombay's jazz age When you think of jazz in the early 20th Century you may think of New Orleans, Chicago, New York or Paris. What isn't so well known is that the Indian city of Bombay - now Mumbai - had its own flourishing jazz scene in the 1930s. Naresh Fernandes - author of Taj Mahal Foxtrot, the story of Bombay's jazz age - paints a portrait of the musicians, the fans, and the music. Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16740486 Via: Salvita Goanet A-C-E! Arts ~ Culture ~ Entertainment www.goanet.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Invasion of Goa by Indians in guard uniform
To Goanet - Among the many indignities heaped on Panjim (and Goa) in recent times is the invasion of the guards. Every time I am back in Panjim (i.e. every few months), the number of guards (I mean, ghatis from Jharkhand, Bihar etc in fancy dress) keeps multiplying. Next thing we may hear is Manohar promising to 'regularize' the guards. Not a single Goan politician of any standing has anything to say about the migrant problem in Goa. After this coming election it may not matter since ghatis will outnumber Goan voters. r --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
