[Goanet] Goa news for January 9, 2013
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Sporting Clube de Goa 0-0 Shillong Lajong FC: Goans held to scoreless draw - Goal.com India Shillong Lajong FC: Goans held to scoreless draw. The hosts were unable to penetrate a solid-looking Shillong Lajong side and had to settle for a share of the spoils in a 0-0 draw. http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEng5o9PVFnZRd_Hq9pDvPuw3WweA&url=http://www.goal.com/en-india/match/96221/sporting-clube-de-goa-vs-shillong-lajong-fc/report *** Chiranjeevi to open Goa Carnival - Deccan Chronicle ay carnival festivities to be held across Goa, beginning February 9. Chiranjeevi will open the float parade in Panaji on the first day of the festivities, state tourism minister Dilip ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHPqeuYAcODLEXFkUh9aTIUT1Mi7g&url=http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130108/entertainment-tollywood/article/chiranjeevi-open-goa-carnival *** Bipasha's birthday bash in Goa - NDTV TVBipasha Basu, who celebrated her 34th birthday on January 7, celebrated the special day with close friends and family in Goa. The actress, who is a self declared fitness freak, was spotted partying with friends Deanne Panday and designer Rocky S ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHzISBM58DG0xBOJtlVtD2ii6B_5A&url=http://www.ndtv.com/photos/entertainment/bipasha-s-birthday-bash-in-goa-14463 *** Justice Raveendran rejects Goa Lokayukta - Herald Publications M-wants-people-to-name-Goa-Lokayukta/articleshow/17947225.cms">Now, CM wants people to name Goa Lokayukta http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHkHzJGOjbEZF4WIMUu6jAkMP8WjQ&url=http://oheraldo.in/News/Main%20Page%20News/Justice-Raveendran-rejects-Goa-Lokayukta/69139.html *** Maharashtra, Goa may resolve water dispute - Newstrack India XVsPhS0lOQdDY_FbIhmT-YA http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNH7lby6XsnG4M5e0Cet7zLPOBmn4w&url=http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2013/01/08/295--Maharashtra-Goa-may-resolve-water-dispute-.html *** Samajwadi Party leader, Goa MLA blame fashionable women for rape - IBNLive ear-old student by six men in Delhi. Now, Abu Azmi, Samajwadi Party MLA ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGnw4Ph7GNpwm1I1UReW36SAM7FzQ&url=http://ibnlive.in.com/news/samajwadi-party-leader-goa-mla-blame-fashionable-women-for-rape/314587-37-64.html *** Mild quake jolts Maharashtra-Goa border region - Daily News & Analysis oa border region. Published: Wednesday, [Jan 9, 2013] , 1:17 IST Place: New Delhi http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEYkjtGh0qbOmBv5BMF_2wqGjOyMw&url=http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_mild-quake-jolts-maharashtra-goa-border-region_1787094 *** Delhi girls, Goa men provide surprises - The Hindu ided contests. This is mainly because the fancied teams are pitted against the less formidable ones. Given the huge difference in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNE3TufmAb-oa1rB94RvmIjXfYOn1A&url=http://www.thehindu.com/sport/other-sports/delhi-girls-goa-men-provide-surprises/article4284047.ece *** Goa scientist arms women with pepper spray - Deccan Herald ccan HeraldEven as the country debates ways to rein in sex offenders, a pharmacology research scientist here has hit the streets of Goa equipping women with a weapon to beat perverts at their own game. Lanky Sudeep Dalvi has started a campaign in the state to ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGobth4VDoOw1zTapZiJ1ndJ0_5Jg&url=http://www.deccanherald.com/content/303777/goa-scientist-arms-women-pepper.html *** Children of a better God? - Herald Publications cNPkoV6xpM&ned=us"> http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNG6ht0LNSW-NaTBogOr47H3uRWaMg&url=http://oheraldo.in/News/Main%20Page%20News/Children-of-a-better-God/69140.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] PIDE- Portugal's secret Police
Re the following from me: "The irony of all this is that almost ALL of the folks from East Africa who shouted from the roof tops about Colonialism and were anti-'white' eventually migrated to the UK (which still has colonies) or to other "white" countries..and some even opted to procure Portuguese nationality. NOT very sure WHY they did not to stay on and develop the Free countries." Mervyn Lobo responded thus: 1: jc, I was born around the time colonialism was collapsing, have not experienced it nor can comment on why people then wanted to get rid of PIDE etc 2: there are a lot of people here who are anti-racist but I do not think there is anyone here who is anti-white. It is also absurd to suggest that an anti-white person would migrate to a white country. 3:.As for your comment on why and where people live, I believe almost everyone on this forum is an expert on the same, including the people who currently reside in Goa. 4: I must emphasize that the decision to move or stay put depends on ones vision of the future and not ones view of the past. RESPONSE: Dear ML, Allow me to state that the following: a: dark forces eg the Secret Police and Colonialism are the scum of this earth. b: it is not only the PIDE or Portugal/UK which practiced/practice this dark art of subjugation by force. c: I am not in the business of making 'helium filled' statements. I KNOW the people I am referring to. One of the families, I personally know, suffered at the hands of the very folks (in EA) the menfolk struggled for. BTW : I am not sure how much contact you have had with desi folk (esp those who have emigrated from East Africa to the West) or IF you had them as classmates in college. d: the vision of the future surely (and rightly) determines our decision to travel or not. So much so that, I hear, some really anti-Portugal chaps are in presently gainfully employed in Portugal and others have re-affirmed their Portuguese nationality, albeit 'chupe chupe' ( on the sly ). jc ps: I am very disappointed that you have publicly dissed BC just when he was about to present his treatise " Independencia para T. Bert". Tch Tch !!
[Goanet] Don't lose your shirt
Indian man buys $230,000 solid gold shirt as 'investment' Los Angeles Times January 5, 2013 India has long had a love affair with gold. But one businessman there is so infatuated with the precious metal, he dropped about $230,000 on a solid gold shirt. More than two dozen goldsmiths toiled for 15 days for lender Datta Phuge, who custom ordered the seven-pound top to wear for New Year's festivities, according to the Pune Mirror. The shirt is crafted from 14,000 22-karat gold rings linked together and comes with six Swarovski crystal buttons and a belt also made of gold. Phuge said he considers the shirt “an investment which will keep appreciating.” “People buy cars and go on holidays abroad,” he told the Mirror. “For me, gold is the ultimate passion. That is the reason I have spent a whopping amount of money on the shirt.” That kind of thinking isn’t unique in India, where gold represents wealth and financial security in much the way that owning a home does in the United States. HSBC recently predicted that gold prices would jump this year thanks in part to demand from Indian customers like Phuge. To ring in 2013, Phuge planned to trot out the shirt along with 11 pounds of gold accessories including chains, bracelets and rings, the Mirror reported. ---x- Ladies, Here is the link to a picture of the shirt. Later reports suggest that Phuge thought he was not too attractive and he could use the shirt to appear attractive to women. The shirt, and the man in it, look equally appealing to me.. http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-india-gold-shirt-20130104,0,4008091.story Mervyn
[Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis
Why was there no plebiscite to accept ghanti rule in 1962? Why was the opinion poll orchestrated, and that too in 1967. This could only be the work of crooks and criminals who came into Goa by force in 1961. BC > For that matter .. HOW does anyone KNOW what the majority of Goans wanted > in > 1962? >? One can know that the majority of Goans residing in Goa did not want to renounce their decreed Indian citizenship, and register themselves as Portuguese nationals because they were given a chance to do this. For some this could be out of fear. But for many this was out of choice or indifference. In 1967 we know that 43.5% wanted to join the state of Maharashtra. So they could not have wanted to be Portuguese citizens or free themselves from India. Of the remaining 56.5%, 54.2% voted for Goa to remain a union territory of India. It is well known that a significant percentage of these wanted Goa to be a full fledged state within India. So even if a two-thirds majority of this segment wanted to secede from India, they would only amount to an overall minority of 36.1% against a coalition of 61.6% opting to remain Indian citizens. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] GO-GO Thailand !!
Eric...happy this that... Ipso old T. commutations in Islam...is not Issa, Jesus; I feel Isac holds his own six & more centuries later, in I. to our times. Vide (am getting affected by by good JC) in contemporary I. Isak/Isac is not far behind Mahomad/Mahmud. Achmad/Ahmed.in cognomal popularity Eller hur...as we say here...or, what... Alfred > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 05:20:23 -0800 > From: ericpin...@yahoo.com > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Subject: [Goanet] GO-GO Thailand !! > > Never had the 'pleasure' of being colonized, poor devils > have to remain content with the home grown language and > culture. They do not have to contend with Musa(Moses !), > Avram(Abraham !), Issa(Isaac !), Mohammed and an assortment of > charlatans from the Ethiopian Rift Valley to deliver them > to a lofty paradise since they have one on earth, staffed > by sloe-eyed belles along palm fringed shores. eric. > > > > From: Frederick FN Noronha > Any Goans in Thailand? Bkk or Chiang Mai? Would appreciate any contacts. FN
[Goanet] Radio Stations in Goa, India
Radio Stations in Goa, India http://www.asiawaves.net/india/goa-radio.htm -- FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org Goa,1556's updated list of books available on and from Goa: http://www.scribd.com/doc/76671049/Goa1556-Catalogue-Books-from-Goa
Re: [Goanet] Goans in Singapore?
Rico, my man... Williie's & my cousin, Fr. Benito de Sousa, has headed several parishes around S. most his working life. He knows our Goan Ganvpaos there abouts...most of them. At one time, I thing during M's visit, Carmo Pegado's brother was B's associate. Looked after my several children optimally, placing Sanna with a Filipino family that made serious offers to adopt herthank the good Lord, before spiriting her away on some dhow... With Maura it is a nice anecdote: Having got off the train from Thailand in central S. she approached a rack of taxis & worked it from first to last whitout a single one accepting here fare. Until, finally one chap convinced she was neither trying to pull their leg nor working a Theleka on them told he: You have placed your luggage exactly in the doorway of the address you seek. Compare that to our I. cabbies: You would get a good couple of hours ride & back to Zero. Ring the Old Fox for Bäs nr. or, Asah Lobo. B. is her unclil, the hugely celebrated, Tony Hongkong's little brother. A far-tentacled Chacha... BTW: Seeking to break new ground? Some simply don't know when thet have cudded enoug'but, I suppose all the great are like that...ol' Alex of M. Bonney & the damned H, not the earlier Hun. > From: fredericknoron...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 23:19:12 +0530 > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Subject: [Goanet] Goans in Singapore? > > After my recent query about Goans in Thailand (specially Chiang Mai), > here's another related one: are there any Goans in Singapore? I know a few > journos have worked there in the recent past... FN > -- > FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org > Goa,1556's updated list of books available on and from Goa: > http://www.scribd.com/doc/76671049/Goa1556-Catalogue-Books-from-Goa
Re: [Goanet] Tanzanian President Ben Mkapa - a great admirer of Goans
Tony Barros wrote: > And also like Nyerere- Mkapa did his first degree at the once prestigious > Uganda's Makerere University. > > At Makerere, Mkapa studied Literature with four other students - including > the Entebbe-born goan author- Peter Nazareth whose wife -Mary nee > Fernandes is also from Iringa- my hometown and birthplace in southern > Tanzania. Tony, If I am not mistaken, Prof. Adolfo Mascarenhas and Glen Dias were also studying at Makerere at the same time. Glen Dias used to greet Mkapa like an old friend at mass, at Upanga church. > I used to socialize a lot with Mkapa taking him to the Dar es Salaam Institute > (formerly Goan Institute) which he loved. He told me that he loved goans > for their honesty, integrity, work ethic and being very religious. > > In the meantime, Mkapa was beginning to like the DI and meeting several goans > who would come to talk to him. He asked me to make him a member- mainly to > play badminton. Now that you mention it, I remember him playing badminton with Salus Fernandes at the D.I. Mkapa used a knee brace on one leg then. > In his foreword, he paid a glowing tribute to me. I was not aware of it and > 18 months > later,some friends from Toronto sent me a full photocopy of the well written > articles > and stories. Two years later , Mkapa became Tanzania's third President > replacing Zanzibar's > Ali Mwinyi. (like Mwinyi, he served for two terms- the new system adopted > from the US). > > And Mervyn as you rightly said, one of his first tasks after assuming the > Presidency > was to address members of the Goan Community. I received copies of the > newspaper > "clippings" from three people. Are we going to see copies of these clippings here and on the Tanzanite site one of these days? > Several goans who have visited New York and New Jersey tell me that during > Sunday > mass, he is surrounded by goans- both inside and outside the church. Mkapa lived a football field away from me in Upanga while he was Foreign Minister and attended the 8.00 am English mass every Sunday. This was the mass most Goans in Upanga attended as the priest was usually a Goan from the nearby Don Bosco youth center. Mkapa used to drive to church in a battered, light blue Volkswagen and sit in the second last pew. I would arrive a little later and sit on the last bench. Salus' brother, Francis, used to or maybe still runs the choir there. That choir in Upanga was mostly made up of Goans and gave birth to several bands in Dar. Mkapa attended the same service while he was President. The only difference was that he then had to sit in the front pews of the church as his security insisted on it. His security detail? One cop sitting besides him. I still had my freedom of being a back bencher. The newly arrived Don Bosco priests would construct their sermons extra carefully in those days. Mervyn
[Goanet] Goans in Singapore?
After my recent query about Goans in Thailand (specially Chiang Mai), here's another related one: are there any Goans in Singapore? I know a few journos have worked there in the recent past... FN -- FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org Goa,1556's updated list of books available on and from Goa: http://www.scribd.com/doc/76671049/Goa1556-Catalogue-Books-from-Goa
[Goanet] Link: What's Eating Little Portugal? (Education, Toronto)
Article: What's Eating Little Portugal? Eric Andrew-Gee January 7, 2013 Forget Africentric schools: Toronto’s Portuguese community has the highest dropout rate in the city. Link: http://maisonneuve.org/pressroom/article/2013/jan/7/whats-eating-little-portugal/ In 1953, a ship called the Saturnia docked in the Halifax harbour. Its hold was full of ghosts. The vessel had transported Italian shock troops to Eritrea in the 1930s, and in the forties it served as a floating hospital for American GIs wounded during the Allied invasion of Italy. Now, as it bobbed in Nova Scotia’s cold Atlantic waters, the ship carried the victims of another dictatorship: people fleeing the poverty and repression of António de Salazar’s Portugal. They were the first Portuguese to come en masse to Canada. Sixty years later, there are hundreds of thousands of Portuguese Canadians, including 170,000 in Toronto alone. Early Portuguese settlements in the city were centered around now-trendy Kensington Market, which for many decades was a low-rent landing strip for newly arrived immigrants. As more Portuguese came, the community drifted west and planted roots in a patch of red-brick semi-detached row houses collectively known as Little Portugal. The neighbourhood’s most notable building is a Cadbury chocolate factory, which belches cocoa fumes day and night. From the very beginning, and with unusual persistence, the Portuguese community in downtown Toronto set about recreating its motherland on Canadian soil. “They never really left home,” proclaimed the headline of a 1973 Weekend magazine article. Although many Portuguese have since spread throughout the Greater Toronto Area, Little Portugal remains the community’s spiritual centre, and a strikingly realistic miniature of its namesake: squat, modestly sized houses, often with glazed tiles of the Virgin Mary beside the doors; little paved-over front yards; the alternately sweet and sea-salty smells of bakeries and fish markets; fado, the plaintive Portuguese folk music, booming out of storefront stereos and filling the streets. But Toronto’s Portuguese brought something else with them: miserable academic performance. Although the high dropout rate among black students has grabbed headlines in recent years, prompting the creation of two Africentric schools in Toronto, it’s Portuguese who, according to a 2006 Toronto District School Board report, have the highest rate in the city: 42.5 percent. (Another report puts the number at 34 percent, but these estimates vary wildly over time, and the historical mean is closer to 40 percent.) That’s nearly 20 percent higher than the municipal average, and almost four times the rate for Chinese students. The Toronto Catholic District School Board doesn’t keep track of dropout rates by language group, but, according to a source in the TCDSB, their Portuguese students have the same problem. While that 42.5 percent figure includes some Portuguese speakers from Brazil and Angola, the current generation of dropouts is, by and large, second- or third-generation Portuguese. According to the TDSB, just 17 percent of the children of Portuguese immigrants have a BA or higher level of education—the lowest number among second-generation Torontonians. In an Ontario-wide math test, 14 percent fewer Portuguese-language students reached the expected level of proficiency than the average Toronto student. Other studies indicate that only about one in twenty Portuguese Torontonians has a university degree, compared to the city average of one in four. Just 6 percent of Portuguese work in the professions, compared to 18 percent of all Toronto residents. And, defying the timeworn stereotype of upward mobility, the children of Portuguese immigrants do not make significantly more money than their parents. The signs are unmistakable: Toronto’s Portuguese community is facing an education crisis. Why haven’t Portuguese charted the same ascendant course through Canadian society as, say, Italians or Indians? And what can the answer tell us about how to succeed in Canada? Over the past decade or so, a loosely affiliated cadre of academics, community activists and educators have set about trying to diagnose the problem. According to one theory, advanced mostly by a handful of scholars, racial discrimination is to blame. David Pereira, a PhD student at the University of Toronto whose Master’s thesis was on education in the city’s Portuguese community, links the issue to Pierre Bourdieu’s theory of “symbolic violence”: the kind of oppression that becomes so natural it starts to go unnoticed. An obvious rebuttal is that the perpetrators of such violence must be operating at Rimbaud-like levels of obscurity; unlike the more overt racism that, for example, blacks or Arabs might face, anti-Portuguese bigotry is all but impossible to detect in Toronto. But Pereira and others bring up a variety of examples:
Re: [Goanet] PIDE- Portugal's secret Police
Jose Colaco wrote: >The irony of all this is that almost ALL of the folks from East Africa who >shouted from > the roof tops about Colonialism and were anti-'white' eventually migrated to > the UK > (which still has colonies) or to other "white" countries..and some even > opted to > procure Portuguese nationality. > >NOT very sure WHY they did not to stay on and develop the Free countries. jc, I was born around the time colonialism was collapsing, have not experienced it nor can comment on why people then wanted to get rid of PIDE or the colonial system. Colonialism collapsed over 50 years ago and I will leave it to those who remember the same, to write about the pros and cons of the good ol' days. Secondly, there are a lot of people here who are anti-racist but I do not think there is anyone here who is anti-white. It is also absurd to suggest that an anti-white person would migrate to a white country. As for your comment on why and where people live, I believe almost everyone on this forum is an expert on the same, including the people who currently reside in Goa. As an example, with my skill set, I can find a job in Colvale paying me Rs. 5,000 per month. I can perhaps find a job in Panjim paying me Rs. 10,000 per month. The same skill set secures me a job paying Rs. 20,000 per month in Mumbai, Rs. 100,000 per month in Tanzania or Rs. 250,000 per month in Washington, D.C. Some people, relatives included, are quite content working and living in Colvale. Others are forced by economic circumstances to seek better paying jobs elsewhere. Yet others are drawn by a sense of adventure and are willing to trade off the good life they have for the prospect of a better life elsewhere. These are only some of the reasons why, till this very day, people are moving in and out of Goa, Tanzania and Canada. I must emphasize that the decision to move or stay put depends on ones vision of the future and not ones view of the past. >> On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:21 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote: >> What Merv does not inform the reader of GN is the aftermath of forced >> decolonization. >> Many of the Frelimo, Renamo, MPLA, UNITA, Holden Roberto, PAIGC went to live >> in >> the shanty towns around Amadora - Lisbon. Countless died in the civil war. >> Who enjoyed >> at the end were the bloody Russians, as they are now doing in Goa. BC, I put you on ignore more than a decade ago. You have just given me a confirmation that I did the correct thing then. Mervyn
[Goanet] GO-GO Thailand !!
Never had the 'pleasure' of being colonized, poor devils have to remain content with the home grown language and culture. They do not have to contend with Musa(Moses !), Avram(Abraham !), Issa(Isaac !), Mohammed and an assortment of charlatans from the Ethiopian Rift Valley to deliver them to a lofty paradise since they have one on earth, staffed by sloe-eyed belles along palm fringed shores. eric. From: Frederick FN Noronha Any Goans in Thailand? Bkk or Chiang Mai? Would appreciate any contacts. FN
Re: [Goanet] New film "The Messenger"
Goan teenager Dinker Ambe's first short film. He is based here in Northern California > --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Shekhar Ambe wrote: My son’s new film is ready for viewing. PLEASE READ THE DESCRIPTION BELOW THE VIDEO BEFORE WATCHING.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtBQn6H3xA
[Goanet] The principle of Self-determination and the Revisionist Implying of Consent.
" Mathura, a 16-year-old tribal girl, was raped by two policemen inside a police station. The courts set free the accused - they said she did not raise an alarm, she was not injured, and since she was sexually active, she would have "voluntarily" consented to sex." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20907755 --- Dears, By an interesting coincidence, and definitely NO 'accident of history', the topics of Rape, Consent and Self Determination have been " running hot " on GN for the past several days. I hope that, by now, most of us have come to accept that, in court, the odds are stacked against the victim. And while, there surely are trumped up allegations, this nonsensical demand for 'evidence' 50 years post de facto, is both sexist and bewildering. I invite us to review how the above referenced Indian court concluded that the young lady had consented. Would "we" not call this revisionist nonsense? Now, please advise about the Non-Asking of Goans as to what they wanted. My personal guess is that a majority of Goans would have opted to join India . After all, India under Nehru was relatively peaceful and stable. Goans never liked too much ghuspott. But that is only a guess. The only way to know ... would have been to ask (as in East Timor) Still do not know WHY the question was not asked. Anybody really knows? A review of history indicates that People whose CONSENT is not asked, always remain troubled. Is that possibly the reason why 1961 keeps popping up even 50 years post de facto. jc I will take this opportunity to 'assume' that Ole_Xac feels similarly of 'T. Bert' I somehow believe that he will be agitating for his people to to the needful. My hunch is that he will do the Peking duck on that issue.
[Goanet] Shalini Mardolkar dies at 73 (Nirmonn, Claudia, Dol Mhojea Bai etc)
Shalini Mardolkar dies at 73 (Nirmonn, Claudia, Dol Mhojea Bai etc) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4185340552/ Video Dec. 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkZXdYHEVhk from 1966 film Nirmonn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOoTdEdyIH8 RIP Shalini joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis
NO My dear Santoshbab, The only way one CAN definitively know of what the other wants IS to ask him/her WHAT he/she wants. The rest is pure assumption and conjecture. jc On Jan 8, 2013, at 1:20 AM, Santosh Helekar wrote: > Original Message - > > From: Jose Colaco >> >> For that matter .. HOW does anyone KNOW what the majority of Goans >> wanted in >> 1962? > > One can know that the majority of Goans residing in Goa did not want to > renounce their decreed Indian citizenship, and register themselves as > Portuguese nationals because they were given a chance to do this. For some > this could be out of fear. But for many this was out of choice or > indifference. In 1967 we know that 43.5% wanted to join the state of > Maharashtra. So they could not have wanted to be Portuguese citizens or free > themselves from India. Of the remaining 56.5%, 54.2% voted for Goa to remain > a union territory of India. It is well known that a significant percentage of > these wanted Goa to be a full fledged state within India. So even if a > two-thirds majority of this segment wanted to secede from India, they would > only amount to an overall minority of 36.1% against a coalition of 61.6% > opting to remain Indian citizens. > > Cheers, > > Santosh
[Goanet] Link: Perdidos e achados - Os 50 anos da ocupaçao portuguesa em Goa
Perdidos e achados - Os 50 anos da ocupaçao portuguesa em Goa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvBXQrtr8Y In Portuguese. Google translated as: 'Lost and Found - The 50 years of Portuguese occupation in Goa' Published on Jul 14, 2012 14-07-2012 Video: 21:56 Can someone provide a synopsis? -- Albert Peres afpe...@3129.ca 416.660.0847 cell
Re: [Goanet] Does this document prove my nationality?
Hi VRR, What we see apres 1962 is the messy cliff. It is high time that you woke up. BC From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro To: Bernado Colaco ; estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2013, 15:01 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Does this document prove my nationality? Dear Bernado, If it is by an accident of history that Goans are now Indian (or bharatis, as you prefer to call us, rather contemptuously), by the same logic it was also an accident of history that made some of us think we were Portuguese. Since the accident of 1961 came after the accident of 1510, I'm afraid that the period from 1962 onwards represents the current reality. Wake up! Salazar is dead. Even Pide is dead. The world is moving on. Regards, Victor FN
Re: [Goanet] PIDE- Portugal's secret Police
Dear Bernado, I am learning so much from you today! "Forced decolonization"---that is such a lovely phrase! It implies that the colonies should not have been decolonized, would not have been decolonized, could not have been decolonized, unless some stupid fool idiot people had forced the colonizers to finally decolonize what they should not have colonized in the first place! So many accidents of history, to complicate our understanding of history! In this interesting post, are you also saying that Frelimo fighters and other African freedom seekers, once they got their own freedom, moved to shanty towns around Lisbon, and thousands of them died in the civil war in Portugal? Was there a civil war in Portugal? Of course there was! The War of the Carnations! We, the people of Bharat, eagerly await your next post. Regards, Victor --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Bernado Colaco wrote: From: Bernado Colaco Subject: [Goanet] PIDE- Portugal's secret Police To: "goanet@lists.goanet.org" Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 1:21 AM What Merv does not inform the reader of GN is the aftermath of forced decolonization. Many of the Frelimo, Renamo, MPLA, UNITA, Holden Roberto, PAIGC went to live in the shanty towns around Amadora - Lisbon. Countless died in the civil war. Who enjoyed at the end were the bloody Russians, as they are now doing in Goa. BC
[Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
Hello Victor and happy new year to you. The hordes I referred to and those who did not have accommodation, came to Goa armed with a stove. They lived on the beach (saw them myself), cooked there, defecated there and bathed in the sea. Thanks to the moonlight during the new year, they had enough natural light too. The place was stinking. Can we really be apathetic to all this? Best regards, Bernice
Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis
Original Message - From: Jose Colaco > > For that matter .. HOW does anyone KNOW what the majority of Goans wanted > in > 1962? > One can know that the majority of Goans residing in Goa did not want to renounce their decreed Indian citizenship, and register themselves as Portuguese nationals because they were given a chance to do this. For some this could be out of fear. But for many this was out of choice or indifference. In 1967 we know that 43.5% wanted to join the state of Maharashtra. So they could not have wanted to be Portuguese citizens or free themselves from India. Of the remaining 56.5%, 54.2% voted for Goa to remain a union territory of India. It is well known that a significant percentage of these wanted Goa to be a full fledged state within India. So even if a two-thirds majority of this segment wanted to secede from India, they would only amount to an overall minority of 36.1% against a coalition of 61.6% opting to remain Indian citizens. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] GOA LIBERATION RETROSPECT - ani Rape
On Jan 7, 2013, at 8:52 PM, manuel tavares wrote: > From what I can gather, Jawaharlal Nehru, in order to appease the Indian > public for the horrible defeats in the North by the Chinese, and the fact > that his relative a general commanding Indian troops on the border abandoned > his post and his army and ran to New Delhi in a cowardly fashion to obtain > protection from Chacha Nehru and obtained it without paying the price . Such > an action , had it been by any other person would be court marshal able.Thus, > Nehru, in order to cover up these two glaring wounds, decided to invade Goa > in order to appease the Indian public. There was no true love for the Goan > people in this action it was pure Political Expediency. Comment: The above from Manuel Tavares may not be totally accurate. General Elections due early 1962 ( Congress not looking too good) GOA Dec 1961 General Elections Feb 1962 ( Resounding victory for Congress) CHINA Oct 1962 jc
Re: [Goanet] Does this document prove my nationality?
Dear Bernado, If it is by an accident of history that Goans are now Indian (or bharatis, as you prefer to call us, rather contemptuously), by the same logic it was also an accident of history that made some of us think we were Portuguese. Since the accident of 1961 came after the accident of 1510, I'm afraid that the period from 1962 onwards represents the current reality. Wake up! Salazar is dead. Even Pide is dead. The world is moving on. Regards, Victor --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Bernado Colaco wrote: From: Bernado Colaco Subject: [Goanet] Does this document prove my nationality? To: "goanet@lists.goanet.org" Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 12:28 AM We Goans born before the invasion are Portuguese nationals. (Even Manohar Parricar has proudly and publicly announced that he is Portuguese) Now because of accident of history we are forced to become citizens of bharat (minus persia and thailand). I hope you understand that intent or no intent is not the problem. I am not sure in your case (xri Noronha) because since you are born in Sao Paulo, you may have to register at the conservatorio over there. BC Is there any reason for registering a birth in Portugal (apart from intending to apply for nationality)? Just curious about what the procedure/practise is... Of course, one might not follow the other. But wouldn't it be fair to assume that intent is there? FN
[Goanet] More Pics - Srilankan, Vietnamese, Goan, Mario Miranda, Parrikar etc
Lokotsav 2013 - Folk Festival from 7 - 16th January 2013, at Kala Academy Darya Sangam. Annual event organised by Directorate of Art & Culture, Kala Academy West Zone Cultural Centre, Udaipur, SAG and CCP update: 7.1.2013 late night Dancers from Vietnam Flower dance http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8359990206/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358930379/in/photostream/ Srilankan Folk dance Coastal dance (Portuguese influenced) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358932457/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358934001/in/photostream/ Vietnam, again with unusual musical instrument http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358936049/in/photostream/ Dance http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358937845/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358957803/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358939577/in/photostream/ Gods from Ramayana Narad Muni and Ravann http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8360004236/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8360004906/in/photostream/ Dedication to Mario Miranda http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8360005732/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358944277/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8360024846/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358962289/in/photostream/ Stage setup at night http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8360006670/sizes/l/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358955383/sizes/l/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8360019930/sizes/l/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358956401/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Chief Minister Parrikar, Ka Chairman Vishnu Wagh, Minister Dayanand Mandrenkar,CCP Mayor Vaidehi Naik, Director of Art and Culture Prasad Lolienkar, Mathew Samuel and Shailendra Dashora, Director West Zone Cultural Centre, Udaipur http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358946053/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358948431/in/photostream/ Kunnbi dressed – Host http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358950613/in/photostream/ Shouvio from Goan Aswad Stall http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8360016194/in/photostream/ Pagddiwala Shri Vishnu Wagh http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8360018314/in/photostream/ Big fat jelebi Rs. 60 each http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk66/8358959413/in/photostream/ Catch up here for more pics and videos http://joegoauk-pointofview.blogspot.in/2013/01/lokotsav-2013-folk-festival.html joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Featured This Week: Everyone In The Jazz Network Five Years Later...
Happy New Year to everyone that chose to read this email blast...its now 2013. Wow, five years ago on January 8th at 3am in the wee hours of the morning The Jazz Network was birthed. It came out of a well-spring of creative worry. Yes, worry. I had moved to Las Vegas to work on a movie and when I got here, climbing over boxes, I got word the movie got canceled. Can you say shock? I had no idea what I was going to do in a city that I knew no one with my mother and daughter in tow. All of a sudden I had to be creative, out of a worried heart. I couldn't sleep out of concern as to how I was to support my family. I was humbled. Cleaning out my spam file almost ready to hit delete I spotted an invite from a social network in TV and Film (which I was in for 8 years prior). Someone kept my email and invited me...I clicked on it, navigated it, thought the concept was 'cooll' yet it seemed boring to me. I saw a link that said 'create your own network' and I hit it, I had nothing to lose. Here I was, staring at the screen plopping in info, added some colors and when I realized what I was doing, it came to my surprise it had no name. I remember looking up to the sky and saying "if you want me to do this, give me a nameand I immediately heard "call it The Jazz Network". Bingo! I took a shot, I invited all my friends in my address book and closed down my computer and went to bed with an inquisitive heart. The next morning I woke up to over 200 of my friends that supported this creative worry and I thought to myself "Oh Lord, what did I just start, I guess I need to figure this out, create "a great place to hang" for all of us that love real jazz, understand its history, care to uplift those minds of those that need encouragement in keeping the groove alive'...lol. So I did it. I found a way, I trusted my worried heart and took the steps it called for. It was like hearing a song for the first time that you wanted to le arn how to play. The network took a lot of twists and turns, I put in a lot of sweat equity. I put whatever money I had into it because I believed that we really had something here. I contacted every musician I knew that I respected and asked for their support in leading this journey right into homethey all helped me. Believed in me. I felt supported. I realized that I started something I needed to finish. It's taken a lot time, effort and growth to make this a community that has integrity for the music and all the subsets that keep it thriving. I hope that you all have enjoyed the artistry that has come through, that felt the importance of being put in front of such an elite group of masterful jazz enthusiasts. Till this day, I don't think that everyone has realized how many incredible sources are here, that if you would sincerely study the amazing professionals gathered here you would all be amazed as well as revenue build your artistic endeavors. If you use the search b ar, it will become a database for you to find just what you are looking for, try it you'll like it!! Last year, I decided to ask all of you to offer a monthly fee of $2, or an annual fee of $19.95 (resulting in $1.66 a month) to help me grow us further, so I could enlist help to make all the off-shoots created a further reality for you and your opportunities in jazz. Some of you immediately jumped on this support and others balked. I felt you. Even still my heart told me to do it so I could sustain this community with integrity and to help us grow. I ask to you please renew your subscriptions and get involved in a new way in 2013. I need your help. Breathe life into your pages here and take a chance and contact those you normally wouldn't be able to get on the phone. I have to admit, there are many musicians that approach me daily to be the featured artist here, for they see value in being put in front of such an amazing community to be heard and discovered. Radio broadcasters enjoy the new artists as well as the seasoned professionals that offered their new p rojects to an audience that would be ecstatic to hear new music. Managers, agents, jazz festivals, clubs, educators, please scan the great artistry and give these hard working musicians and students the chance to be heard and encouraged in the marketplace by your expertise. I am here to bring you mine, to help you shine, get that "google face' you might not have and to recognize your uniqueness before our community. Reach for me. I would like to thank Concord Music Group for being one of our major labels bringing their great artistry to us with their new releases and reissues. It is such a joy to work with them and promote such musical excellence. To all the artists that have taken the chance to be brought to the forefront, I commend you and thank you for trusting our community to give you the kudos you deserve. I will continue to push forward, executin
[Goanet] Musal Khell: Tantun asa saibinn bhangrachi, Main melear suniek dukona, Sant Anton saiban jiklam Goem
Someone please help to correct the wordings Fuddlean Khell voita Musallacho Fattlean soll-soll tisreamcho (?) Edi – Edi tabxin chamrachi (?) Tantun asa saibinn bhangrachi Chol go sungtta congrem zata Kailint gailear sungott tambdddem zata Bhorlolea xidyek mukona (?) Maim melear suniyek dukona ?? ?? Unchevele matiek piklam poyem (?) Sant Anton Saiban jiklam Goem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEdm0ll8ZI Thanks for your help joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
