[Goanet] Any Goans in Holland
Hi, Please contact Marise d'Lima. Her daughter Danielle and son-in-law Nikhil live in Amsterdam. Her e-mail id is marise.dl...@gmail.com. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami
Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
I'm not sure if it was me who voiced this issue, but I have noticed this, and it is disturbing. It does not matter that I don't have anyone working in the shipping line. On a flight to Goa recently, an exhausted looking man was sitting next to us. It turned out that he was a shippie returning home after a marathon journey, long lay overs, convoluted routes, forgotten mobile at one of the numerous security checks. The poor man had sat in the wrong seat because he had read the wrong boarding pass; he had a handful of them. He told us that the company rejected any request to book him on a better route. He was headed to Quepem and was supposed to call his brother. He didn't mind losing his phone of course but he was supposed to call his brother, who was to meet him. That was my brush with a Goan shippie returning home. Angela Ferrao On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with one case approximately every two or three months! This does seem strange... FN On 16 February 2014 04:38, roland.francis roland.fran...@ymail.comwrote: Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month period for elucidation. Roland. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: E DeSousa ejd...@att.net Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00) To: estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Cc: roland.fran...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths Roland Francis writes: Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves?? What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom g men? Comment: Please provide supporting data. Regards, E. -- FN Phone +91-832-2409490 Mobile +91-9822122436 Blog: The View From My Window http://wp.me/1c1F About.me: http://about.me/noronhafrederick Goa,1556: http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2 -- Check out my portfolio on https://www.facebook.com/Ferraodesigns www.coroflot.com/angfer
Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Stressed out! or harassment or racial discrimination,is there a disparity in wages the Europeans and Asians take home? On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with one case approximately every two or three months! This does seem strange... FN On 16 February 2014 04:38, roland.francis roland.fran...@ymail.com wrote: Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month period for elucidation. Roland. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: E DeSousa ejd...@att.net Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00) To: estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Cc: roland.fran...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths Roland Francis writes: Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves?? What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom g men? Comment: Please provide supporting data. Regards, E. -- FN Phone +91-832-2409490 Mobile +91-9822122436 Blog: The View From My Window http://wp.me/1c1F About.me: http://about.me/noronhafrederick Goa,1556: http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2
Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
JC writes: Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the information jc Sumith Gawashttp://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html - 22, from Collem, Goa, India was aboard P O Arcadia here he worked as a junior waiter on Friday, July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his cabin. Comment: Other than the late Mr. Sumith Gawas (RIP) mentioned above, no common Goan names could be found in this list: http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Name_Index.html (Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian and Ramesh Krishnamurthy also in the list maybe Goans?) Roland suggests the obituaries in Herald. I checked the OHeraldO obits and research of their on line archives was not successful. It may require a more sophisticated approach and a greater time investment. Given the importance of the subject matter, is it possible that this information may have been already aggregated by the Goa media and may be readily available? Best Regards, E.
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[Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Roland Francis: Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves?? What is the cause of death of so many young men? Response: A few years ago while flying from Goa to Bombay, I got into a casual conversation with my neighbour who happened to be a shippie. This is his story. Hailing from Candolim, he worked earlier as a Roomboy at Taj Fort Aguada. The job was seasonal from October to April coinciding with the peak foreign tourist arrivals. Thereafter he was laid off with no compensation.He heard from other shippies about the Caribbean Cruises and the grand pay and so decided to apply for a job. He was called for an interview which he attended at his own expense and was selected for the job. He joined the cruise at Miami at his own cost. He was made to sign a contract to work for 9 months with no holidays, including Sundays, no off-days, no leave. Working hours were of 16 hours per day. The base salary was low and the bulk was variable pay mainly made up of tips/ incentives. In a good month, the gross salary could go up to Rs 150,000. With food free and on the house, this was pure savings. Life aboard the Cruise Liner was tough. He had to clean and tidy up 30 rooms every day, twice, spread over two decks. Many of the passengers were filthy rich, selfish, arrogant and demanding. Any mistake or error would result in a complaint made against him, for which a part of his incentives would be deducted. He was on beck and call all day long. He had to pander to the whims and fancies of the passengers who would ask him to clean and tidy up their rooms at odd times. And so he had to go back and forth without rest. He was trained to accept that the customer was always right, even when he was wrong, and so had to endure their temper tantrums. His sole companions were fellow goans who worked in the kitchen. Fed up of eating the same rich food daily, his fellow goans would rustle up some goan homemade stuff which they enjoyed and relished. Emotionally and psychologically he was scarred with no family member close by in whom he could confide or share his troubles or difficulties. With no break even for a single day, even when the ship berthed at a port, it was nothing short of slave working conditions. He could not even go to Church to hear Mass during his period of contract. He had to keep his employers and passengers in good humour at all times as otherwise his contract would not get renewed after he enjoyed his break. After working for a few years and enduring the hardships, he got married and constructed a big, beautiful house in Candolim, and in the process exhausted all his savings. Just then misfortune struck. While climbing down the stairs aboard the ship, he missed a step and came tumbling down, in the process breaking the bone of his leg. He was given first aid and laid up in bed as there was no Orthopedic doctor on board. On reaching port after some days, he was taken to a doctor. The doctor attended to him and he was back on the ship. During the days when he was invalid, he received no wages. Once he was back on his feet, he realised that the surgery was not done properly. The bones were not set right and he was left with one leg short and a permanent limp. This made his work more difficult as now his speed and mobility was restricted. On completion of his contract, he flew down to India and immediately went to consult an Orthopedic surgeon. Unfortunately, by then the bones had set permanently, and the Orthopedic surgeon could do nothing. He was left scarred for life with a limp. In this condition he found it very difficult to work, but had no choice as his wife was now pregnant with their first child and he had little savings. So back he was on the ship living a life which he now hated. With no skills or education he was left with little choice. This is the kind of life shippies on cruise liners lead. Is it any wonder that many of them commit suicide? Regards, Marshall
Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Let me phrase it in a way that helps some reach into your own minds, instead of providing direct auxiliary support: proof. Also if you folks do not have people on ships then why screw around with these topics, unless it is plain curiosity. Just take care of your families. Now that would be showing concern, which perhaps is on tap: in abundance. Anyway since you guys are bent towards thought, here are some. NOTE: I am not interested at all in providing proof. As they scream DEFENSE…DEFENSE when the shot clock is running out in Basketball, go RESEARCH…stand outside those offices in Mumbai, put an ad in a paper in Goa; start planning that video. + + + I do not know the reasons, know a thing or do, and will proceed now with my speculatio (Lat. Reflections of a contemplative) The work is EXHAUSTING, and has become more and more so. Many are going two shifts at that pace. Most of you do not know what tat means. Please do not take offense. The salaries are almost entirely made from tips so very little option. Some get paid as low as $70 a month, the rest to be made from tips. There is a lot of abuse now than in years gone by. In epistemological terms, an epidemic: Emotionally broken, drinking to stay sane, broken hearts, exhaustion, heart attacks, liver issues, many are overweight and their legs can hardly support them — much less their hearts, many of them have varicose veins and many have got operated. Too many cannot see any light in their lives, hearing of news that even their fathers are shagging their wives, brothers too, and others including from other communities leading to smirking, etc., when they make it to shore. I regret not being a priest. They really need intense support as well as learning how to provide for themselves This itself could be a shore mission much like the Jesuits who go on board ships to minster, in caritas. More possibilities with women, has led to all kinds of control issues, loosing entire earnings, other complexities, pressure brought upon to bear, blackmail, etc. Our boys are snapping. In India with our own bastards at the Shipping Offices: Lets just say that, one person I know and who was much liked by his (UK) Sup. was allowed to appear and passed the qualification for Bartender. When the fucker in the office in Mumbai, India (AND I DARE say a South Indian, its SIndians all the way, and I say it sine there is something sick). saw the certification, he was incensed saying that Indians are not allowed to tend the bar. Presumably, that has somewhat changed now. Goans have to deal with the same shit other Goans dealt with in the Hotel/ Hospitality industry in Goa, of which so much would be spoken in villages. Forgotten?! There are Goan women on ships too. We had one in the family. I have heard of women demanding, and Goan men gifting $500 watches to their girlfriends on board. Those of you who have had flings, even with highly intellectual paramours (I hope so) would know a thing or two about gifts and such. I am sure there are are other better and more enlightening reasons. + Venantius J Pinto On 2/15/14, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with one case approximately every two or three months! This does seem strange... FN On 16 February 2014 04:38, roland.francis roland.fran...@ymail.com wrote: Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month period for elucidation. Roland. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: E DeSousa ejd...@att.net Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00) To: estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Cc: roland.fran...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths Roland Francis writes: Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves?? What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom g men? Comment: Please provide supporting data. Regards, E. -- FN Phone +91-832-2409490 Mobile +91-9822122436 Blog: The View From My Window http://wp.me/1c1F About.me: http://about.me/noronhafrederick Goa,1556: http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2
[Goanet] Religious Persecution in India: Are you sure?
Santosh Helekar had forwarded a post of Basilio Monteiro under the above heading. In response I had posed a few questions to him as under: I had asked him to answer the foll questions: 1. Would he classify or term the violence in the Dangs in December 1998 as acts of discrimination? ( Incidentally, the mastermind of the violence Swami Assemanand is in the docks for masterminding several other violent attacks all over India and in the latest issue of Caravan, has implicated the RSS top brass. Refer: http://caravanmagazine.in/ ) 2. Would he classify or term the violence in Kandhamal in 2007/08 as acts of discrimination? ( a documentary Kandhamal Unresolved was screened recently at the Mumbai International Film Festival (MIFF). The film is available on YouTube: *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPu0r01wDlA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPu0r01wDlA* 3. Would he classify or term the violence in Karnataka that soon followed Kandhamal as acts of discrimination? Report of Justice Michael Saldanha that inquired into the violence is attached. Refer: http://www.pucl.org/Topics/Religion-communalism/2011/saldanha_report.pdf 4. How would he classify the various Anti-Conversion Acts passed in some of the states? 5. How would he classify the ideology of the RSS which targets the muslim and christian minority, out of which flows most of the violence? Till date there has been no response. Therefore it could mean that he has no answers or does not wish to engage in a discussion/ debate on what are essentially his personal perspectives, not necessarily based on facts. So far as Santosh Helekar is concerned, as a sympathizer/ apologist of the sangh parivar, who has in the past justified / defended the rapes, killings and violence against innocent Christians in Kandhamal, his views are on expected lines and he is the last person we should take seriously on this subject in this forum. Regards, Marshall *Basilio Monteiro wrote:I would like to offer a few random (not exhaustive) thoughts for consideration about the complex issue of religious persecution in India. It is a sensitive and provocative issue. Of course, a few Catholic priests and nuns get killed, and that is painfully sad; the murder of a priest or a nun in the hands of a non-catholic is not necessarily an act of persecution.Basilio has presented a reasonable case on the issue of religious persecution in India. It should throw some light on why the claims of some Indian and foreign religious organizations/activists about widespread religious persecution in India against Christians in particular, are by and large exaggerations and distortions, although incidents of violent crimes or harassment involving religious fervor and discrimination do occur and have occurred from time to time throughout history. - Santosh Helekar* - Previous messagehttps://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg101790.html - View by threadhttps://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/index.html#101791 - View by datehttps://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/maillist.html#101791 - Next messagehttps://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg101793.html Reply via email to [image: The Mail Archive] https://www.mail-archive.com/ - The Mail Archive home https://www.mail-archive.com/ - goanet - all messageshttps://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/ - goanet - about the listhttps://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/info.html - Previous messagehttps://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg101790.html - Next messagehttps://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg101793.html
Re: [Goanet] Religious Persecution in India: Are you sure?
Regarding what Joe Lobo wrote below, I have glossed over nothing in relation to the subject matter of this thread. Had this thread been about RSS, Modi, BJP, etc., and I was asked to comment, I would have told you that these organizations and the personalities associated with them are Hindu extremists who should never be allowed to come to power. RSS has been from the outset a martial Hindu chauvinist organization that has espoused religious fervor and violence as means to achieve political power. Religious activists belonging to this organization were responsible for the murder of Mahatma Gandhi, even though Gandhi himself was somewhat of a Hindu nationalist. Indeed, it is a credit to the vision of our founding fathers that despite these types of elements and sentiments that have always existed in India, India is a thriving free secular pluralist democracy. Regarding what Josebab wrote below, I wish some independent person would find out the actual facts relevant to the questions raised by him below. From my knowledge of this issue, I can provide straight answers to some of the rhetorical questions, but not all. 1: what, Basilio, would make any 'murder of any Catholic priest or nun ( or a non religious Catholic person) an act of Religious Persecution? (Basilio probably did not read my question the first time around) If priests or nuns were murdered in a premeditated manner by a group of individuals or the state solely because of their religious beliefs or affiliation. 2: have such events occurred in India ? Offhand, I cannot think of any events involving Catholic priests or nuns. I can think of one evangelical Christian priest and his two sons in 2003. This is a task for an independent and impartial fact-finder (IIFF). 3: are Catholics in certain parts of India being threatened / assaulted because of their faith? I don't know this regarding Catholics. But I suspect some new evangelical converts are threatened by Hindu extremists to reconvert in the tribal areas and some poverty-stricken communities. Another task for an IIFF. 4: are Catholics in certain parts of India being forcibly re-converted? I think the answer is no with regard to Catholics. But it is most likely yes with regard to newly converted evangelical Christians. The reason should be clear from Basilio's post. It is because no Catholic priest has actively tried to convert anyone for the last 60 years in India. Another task for an IIFF. It would also be nice to know some hard facts as to what tactics the fly-by-night evangelical priests that Basilio mentioned were adopting in their conversion campaigns. There was a millionaire Keralite pastor in Houston who was caught in some kind of scam some years ago. He used to charter a large airplane to fly back and forth for his proselytization missions in South India, and solicit charitable donations to pay for the cost of the aviation fuel for his trip from a rich Houstonian. 5: is ONE solitary case or Ten or a Hundred cases too few to get worked up about ? I would think that in order to tar an entire nation as a place where religious persecution is prevalent there needs to be at least a few cases each month in different parts of the country. 6: are we saying that the Law in some states preventing voluntary conversion from Hinduism, constitutional or even moral? Morality is not an issue in laws banning conversions, as long as the law applies equally to people of all faiths i.e. people are not allowed to convert to any faith or lack of faith from any other faith or lack of faith. Indeed, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, etc. are, I believe, advocating such a practice, especially, with regard to minors. But all such laws would be unconstitutional in India, U.S. or any truly secular pluralist country. Some IIFF needs to examine the laws that have been passed in India in this regard. I hear that they have weasel words that keep them free of constitutional challenge. Cheers, Santosh Joe Lobo wrote: Santosh Helekar seems to gloss over the fact that a Hindu organisation , ie the RSS ( Rashtriya Sevak Sangh ) set up in India`s pre-independence days has morphed to a covert attacker of non-Hindu activities. While the Goa BJP government has not shown any communal tendencies... we have to dread a federal BJP government in Delhi under PM Narendra Modi with its hindutva philosophy that will allow the RSS free rein to preach their message of hatred towards all non-Hindu Indians be they goans or tribals or dalits who refuse to bow to the high caste Hindu strict ideology. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Jose Colaco cola...@gmail.com wrote: Basilio: a few Catholic priests and nuns get killed, and that is painfully sad; the murder of a priest or a nun in the hands of a non-catholic is not NECESSARILY an act of persecution. Santoshbab: Basilio has
Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Is the question on disparity in wages inadvertently or intentionally rhetorical. Given the same job in almost every situation citizens of certain countries get paid less, or more, or have other attached emoluments. There must be other examples to what I said about the salary being $70 and a bit more, but the caveat is that you are expected to boost it up by tips. Different companies have their own wage bar/scale and presumably tell you what to expect, strive for, be nice (whatever that means). That is seen as your salary. And have no doubt that there are managers who are Goans. They cannot talk since they do need a job and will do what it takes. Thy will when they retire, retire hurt, etc. Such is life. Also no point in my using economic terms which I hardly have interest in defending. This is true say in the MEast is it not? And often when we benefit, do we not hold on to our gains. Is that not true? Do we blab around that Yo, I am making a killing man!! Wooot! Hell No. Lets us say if I was teaching at a Univ. in the ME. As an American citizen I am supposed to be paid more. That is sadly the way it and sadder if the Amcho Goenkar. and Hanv Bhaircho are equal in skills, etc. ++ Venantius J Pinto On 2/16/14, Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Angela, You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all. Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need. FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply All option and just let an email take its time: The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM Reply-To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org, Angela Ferrao angelafer...@gmail.com Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters. Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in. Best All. Venantius -- + Venantius J Pinto
Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Hi Angela, You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all. Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need. FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply All option and just let an email take its time: The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM Reply-To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org, Angela Ferrao angelafer...@gmail.com Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters. Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in. Best All. Venantius
[Goanet] REMO AVOID CONTESTING LOK SABHA POLLS?
To, The Editor/s Navhind Times.Gomantak Times, Herald, Goan Observer,The Goan, and Times of India REMO NOT TO CONTEST LOK SABHA POLLS Remo's decision for not contesting Lok Sabha polls is a wise decision since AAP is still indecisive getting a musician in their fleet. All sorts of qualified person in different fields including medical doctors are available in the Lok Sabha except musician and probably if Remo reaches there the whole parliament will start dancing on the floor of assembly in the tune of our Pop international star. What you people see all these days is the dance without a guitar or flute but if a musician REMO reaches the floor than the chairs and mikes will have a real musical chair. Stephen Dias D.Paula
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 9, Issue 110
Joe Bab, First and foremost thank you for posting wonderful articles and pictures all relating to Goa. You are really a big hero to online Goans. This is a wonderful article you have posted, related to amche Goemche Padri, and anv ekdom thotaklom vachun ki padri eka mekak galli martalet munn. Anyway, as you said, tanchim justice Dev ghetolo. Adlea korarar oslich goth godloli, jednam Mosesache, bhav ani boinn tacher kontru ullounk laglet, ani tankam Devachi khast rokdich lagli, Your mother was really an intelligent woman :) thats the reason maybe she left the word Gorjebair. God Bless Jerry Fernandes Subject: [Goanet] ?Padrinchem naum uboun naye? Message-ID: 1392503935.30095.yahoomail...@web171204.mail.ir2.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ? ?Padrinchem naum uboun naye? ? During our ?dotorn? time (Catecheses) we learnt.. ?Devachem naum ghorjebhair tonddar gheun naye? (do not swear upon God, unnecessarily) This could mean ?one may take God?s name only when there is absolute necessity? ? But my mother.. ? My mother always said ?Padrinchem naum uboun naye? (even if they are wrong) (Do not tarnish image of the priests, come what may) ? Look, she has very cunningly omitted the word ?Ghorjebhair? (unnecessarily) By not saying ?Padrinchem naum ghorjebhair uboun naye? ? When asked ?what if when there is an absolute truth in it?? She replied ?God will take care of it..? ? Well, that was then and was about you and me (Laity) v/s the priests. ? Now, how about the Priests v/s priests? I mean, Priest tarnishing image of another priest. ? Kaim Padri, Padrinchench naum uboitat tedna..? Tanchea Main-Pain temkam dhek xinkounk nam gai? Ou tankam hache voir Seminarint xinkounn mevonk nam gai? ? Kaim vosam fattim, hanvem mhojea dolleani kud poilam ani kanani aikolam.. Eke firgojent Pad Vigar ani Pad Kur eka sunnia-mazra baxen zogoddttale Eka-mekak gaddiemcho xinvor ghaltale ? Tum Chell**cho, Tum Fo*r*cho etc Jedna tea tea vellar misache vedir te xermao sangtale, tendna temi uloilolim pozllim utram amchea kanar sadtalim ani azunui sadtat. ? ? Now, why I am telling you all this? Few days ago, I heard a similar episode around Velsao. I am also told a nun is also involved along with a priest and few others. ? I really don?t know the truth, people seems divided over this issue. Defamatory leaflets also distributed in the people homes it seems. ? Even if someone is wrong, where is the forgiveness? Even if they are wrong, who are we to punish them? Can?t we just leave them to God?s justice or to the law of the land? ? Padri Devachea fattlean Dev, not any longer? We listen to Xermao after Xermao But Padrimche Xermao Vhoniek nhuim, muntat ti khobor sot kori. ? joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goa news for February 17, 2014
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Iron ore to be e-auctioned tomorrow in Goa - Economic Times uctioned tomorrow in Goa. By PTI http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFw7zBVGftK5oyxe12mZ4pFOrUaRQcid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/indl-goods/svs/metals-mining/iron-ore-to-be-e-auctioned-tomorrow-in-goa/articleshow/30528442.cms *** Pune FC vs Sporting Clube de Goa LIVE Commentary - Goal.com India PaTMQcid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331 http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEEKSInbqOxL-3LLH4BcqpDZq0-Igcid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331url=http://www.goal.com/en-india/match/122860/pune-fc-vs-sporting-clube-de-goa/play-by-play *** Goa tourism love affair with Russians waning? - Times of India mes of IndiaCALANGUTE/MORJIM: They may account for a large chunk of Goa's tourism business, but for restaurant and shack owners in north Goa, the charm of the Russian tourist is definitely starting to wane. The cloud of resentment against visitors from Russia has ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHebNkmGigJT4olE_h1vjd3K0CF1wcid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-tourism-love-affair-with-Russians-waning/articleshow/30530891.cms *** Goa consumer panel penalizes insurance company - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: The Goa state consumer disputes redressal commission upheld the order of the district consumer disputes forum to award a truck owner a sum of 5.39 lakh being the total sum assured with interest at 12% per annum from the date of the truck ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHIw9uoLuj3oIC16eJY-T7hx3_u4Acid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-consumer-panel-penalizes-insurance-company/articleshow/30531411.cms *** Centre assured flexi-funding to Goa's water augmentation schemes: Dhavalikar - Times of India unds to the state, Goa PWD minister Ramkrishna Sudin Dhavalikar said on Saturday. Dhavalikar ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHALmCoh2CW1t0rcewXc2jx-I1tVgcid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Centre-assured-flexi-funding-to-Goas-water-augmentation-schemes-Dhavalikar/articleshow/30474343.cms *** North Goa night clubs under NCB scanner - Times of India Mauthuser=0ned=usand more » http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGT6-kXL9Ca_qX-7AqwQ8adFftWDAcid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/North-Goa-night-clubs-under-NCB-scanner/articleshow/30531381.cms *** Goa councils set to implement poverty alleviation scheme - Times of India ased Celsa Antao as project officer to implement the centrally-sponsored Swarna Jayanti Shahari Rozgar Yojana under the department of housing and urban poverty alleviation ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNG-fTDB8rG9t-oKYU-4NA_b45vP3Acid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-councils-set-to-implement-poverty-alleviation-scheme/articleshow/30531394.cms *** Goa to celebrate the 'Power of Love' - Times of India alentine's day programme, hopes to bridge ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFlYQHEZIhMFfD4_0c6U9jPS5TmiAcid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-to-celebrate-the-Power-of-Love/articleshow/30485995.cms *** Hotels With History in Goa, India - New York Times w York TimesHalf an hour before our plane touched ground in Goa, a crew member announced that we would be turning around and flying back to Mumbai. It was the middle of monsoon season, and the rain and lightning had grown so heavy, the pilot no longer thought it ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFO44fOfiGZ0YlkZ9BGFKNxNDTkAAcid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331url=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/travel/hotels-with-history-in-goa-india.html *** One too many for Goa's roads - Times of India dyc-xMauthuser=0ned=us http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEWuz5d9OyjreWflrBFcj4q7QmREAcid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/One-too-many-for-Goas-roads/articleshow/30531271.cms Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] JUDGING THE JUDGES
Knocking those doors of the Temples of Justice should have ordinarily been one's last resort. Unfortunately in Goa it has become the first stop. With so many faulty government decisions and a state of utter mal administration the judiciary has to play a very crucial role in delivering justice. To ensure this, it is imperative that the politicians should have no direct or indirect role whatsoever in the selection, promotion and posting of Judges. Judges should judge every case on merit and should never ever be swayed by the status of the parties to the case or the faces of the advocates representing the parties. A good judge has to be extremely fair and never be ever influenced by any factor other than the rule of law. Justice has to be dispensed with proper application of mind, cautiously yet promptly. Judges cannot please everyone. Justice can sometimes taste unpleasant but has to be swallowed like a bitter pill. Justice is one of the few commodities that should never be bargained for over the counter. Judges have their own personalities and style of functioning. Like all of us, they too are bound to err but as long as the real intent is to deliver justice, no judge can be faulted. Accepting the position of a judge is a very big challenge. One has to sacrifice one's personal liberty to a great extent. As justice has to be meted out even at the grass roots, it is very essential that persons with sound knowledge of law be selected for this noble job even at the entry level at the lower Judiciary. The selection of subordinate court judges has to be very meticulous as persons who cannot construe the law, only do damage to the justice delivery system. In times when money and muscle power is solely determining the heights our Politicians can peak, the task of the Judiciary becomes all the more pertinent, crucial and vital. Only persons with good knowledge of law and with a good insight to interpret and dispense it should take responsibility as Judges. This noble task may not be monetarily satisfying but it must definitely give one the mental satisfaction of having done a noble job. The pecuniary benefits of the judicial officers must be enhanced so that the Judiciary attracts nothing less than the best and the brightest. Over the years we have witnessed some extremely good judges. We have also seen some from the other end of the spectrum and on them less said the better. Judges should be ready to fearlessly take on the government for its illegal actions. Judges should be also consistent in the way they dispense justice. Courts cannot end up being Casinos. The bedrock of our democracy is the rule of law and an independent judiciary, which is truly independent. A judiciary that is accountable to the Rule of law. Aires Rodrigues T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat Ribandar - Goa - 403006 Mobile: 9822684372
[Goanet] [JudeSundayReflections] 7th Sunday of the Year
17-Feb-2014 Dear friend, Can we say that as people of faith we are different from people who do not have faith? Of course our actions and lives should reveal the type of faith we have. However, when it comes to daily practice we tend to follow the crowd. People generally like to mix with people of their own kind and avoid those who rub them the wrong way. The dictum followed is: 'You be nice to me and I'll be nice to you'. Conversely, if people hurt us we feel we have every right to retaliate. Novels and movies suggest revenge is the right way to get even. Jesus asks us to go beyond - love those who hurt us! That's difficult if not impossible! May his Spirit make us imitate his lifestyle! Fr. Jude Sunday Reflections: Seventh Sunday-You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect!23rd Feb. 2014 Leviticus 19: 1-2, 17-18; 1Corinthians 3: 16-23; Matthew 5: 38-48; In the Book of Leviticus the word used for God is synonymous with 'Perfect' 'Blameless' and 'Holy'. Be Holy as I your God am Holy. In today's first reading God instructs Moses to tell the people to imitate the holiness of God and be kind and charitable in their lives because God does not want his people to exact vengeance or bear a grudge against one another. Holiness not only extends to our relationship with God but also with our brothers and sisters. To be holy is to live blameless lives, not bearing revenge and hatred towards others. Be Holy for I your God am holy! Lutz Long was one of the best German athletes and a favourite of Adolf Hitler. During the long jump trial he broke several Olympic records. The only other person who could beat him was Jesse Owens. Hitler hated the black athlete and moved out of the pavilion when Jesse recorded his trial. Jesse was upset with the treatment of Hitler. He fouled his first trial and failed to qualify in the second trial. There was only one last chance to redeem himself. At that moment Jesse felt a tap on his shoulder. It was Lutz Long his competitor. He advised him to draw a line a few inches short of the take off. Jesse followed the advice of his opponent. He succeeded and qualified for the event. From that moment onwards a bond of friendship developed between the two athletes. Later on Jesse had to compete with Lutz and won against his advisor. Jesse went on to win three gold medals. Hitler looked at the black athlete with anger and contempt but Lutz held his hand and praised him for his achievement. Lutz, an ordinary athlete not only followed the law but went beyond the law. He practiced the law of love against his opponent. - All of us need a transformation! The world needs to change. Only true charity and forgiveness can bring about this change. That was what Jesus meant when he prayed, Father forgive them for they do not know what they do. The speciality of Christian love is not mere forgiveness but love that transforms enemies. Elias Dias in 'Divine Stories for Families' The Sermon on the Mount is both a challenge and a source of inspiration at the same time. Today's gospel invites us to be always the first movers in forgiveness, to be generous beyond measure in being reconciled to the one who has wronged us. We are challenged to go beyond what the law requires of us. What are we to do with those who seek to impose themselves upon us through some form of violence? Are we to react and respond in the same way, as common sense suggests? Jesus proposes three strong examples: offering the other striking to one who strikes us on one cheek; offering your cloak to one who takes your coat, and going the extra mile with one who forces you to go one mile;- which are apparently renouncing any kind of resistance, but in reality they are attitudes inviting reflection on the part of those involved in those situations. As in the entire Sermon on the Mount, the question is to go one step farther, with a new orientation. Every one, including the aggressor, must be a temple of God and we must recognize that. What gives meaning to our response is the motivation which follows: love. The last prescriptions bring to culmination the teachings of Jesus on love. Ordinary logic would have us love those who are good to us and keep our distance from those who dislike us. But Jesus challenges us to love our enemies and pray for those who mistreat us. This requirement is based on the very example of God the Father, who considers everyone, the good and the evil, as his children. Quite simply we are asked to be perfect and merciful like the Father. Only God can help us to do so daily. He will. What you do to the least, you do to me! Travelling during his term as Vice President, Thomas Jefferson requested a room at Baltimore's principal hotel. The Vice President was travelling alone, without secretary or servant; it had been a long day and it showed in his clothes and appearance. The proprietor, not recognizing his
[Goanet] 9 Reasons You Need To Be Giving and Receiving Hugs Everyday
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Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
EDeSouza makes a very interesting and valid argument. For most of us, life is a daily struggle. We have to work hard and face our daily set of stresses. Without agreeing or disagreeing with the 'shippies dying in droves bit', I imagine that long periods of time away from home + possible smoking, loneliness and drinking would take their toll. I meet a good number of folks you call shippies, I call seamen. They come to church on Saturday evenings when the cruise liners dock here. They do not appear stressed or otherwise troubled. But, they are mainly young lads from Salcete. They appear to make a good income (mainly on tips) and almost all of it goes into savings. What happens to those funds when they reach Goa is another story. What happens to these (once young) lads when they are no longer working - is probably the time when 'all appears to crumble'. A good lesson from all this: Educate the kids so that they can stand up on their own two feet and do not always look for handouts. Back to the original point: which droves? jc On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:07 PM, E DeSousa ejd...@att.net wrote: After what has been posted by many on GoaNet, this much seems to be evident: - Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves? We know that Goan people are very resilient and no strangers to hardship, so the questions are valid: -are these suicides or homicides? -when it is saidGoan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves what are the numbers involved? (Even one is one too many, to be sure) -is this away to negate all liabilities by all concerned? -are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support? Peace E.
[Goanet] [Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar] Flautist
Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar has posted a new item, 'Flautist' Live music in a historic fort. A bansuri performance in the courtyard at the ancient Mehrangarh fort in Jodhpur, Rajasthan. Here is a beautiful rendition in Raga Des on the bansuri by the great Indian musician Pannalal Ghosh. You may view the latest post at http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2014/02/16/flautist/ Best regards, Rajan P. Parrikar parri...@yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
After what has been posted by many on GoaNet, this much seems to be evident: - Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves? We know that Goan people are very resilient and no strangers to hardship, so the questions are valid: -are these suicides or homicides? -when it is saidGoan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves what are the numbers involved? (Even one is one too many, to be sure) -is this away to negate all liabilities by all concerned? -are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support? Peace E.
