Re: [Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright
I would still think that getting support from your grown-up, expat kids is one thing, and seeking funds collected by random others is quite another. On the other hand, a number of grown-up, expat kids also need to acknowledge that they've benefitted from a highly subsidised education back home -- paid for by the sweat, toil, blood and tears of the wider community, the victims of a lack of opportunity, or the taxpayer (cf. the Goan Scholars Scheme). Over the last many years, I've dealt with scores of expat Goans. Some have been more than helpful, others not so. But I would hate to have our equation judged in money or charity terms alone. My points are: (1) Building capacity in Goa itself is possibly much, much more important, though much tougher (2) While we have a lot to share with each other, it would be a pity if this were judged in cash terms alone (3) Many people in Goa itself are making their own contributions, though not necessarily in terms of a constantly-devalued Rupee (read: cash) (4) It is easy for someone half a world away and say people in Goa need to be more charitable and donate more towards their local causes. They have... over the generations, and have built immense social capital, which benefits everyone today... though their priorities might not exactly tally with your's. FN Cecil Pinto wrote: Please convey my congratulations to these young Goan women on their achievement. Many people complain that Goan events in the UK, USA and Canada are just song-and-dance events. I say that let them sing and dance as much they like if they are collecting funds for Goan causes back home. On 29 August 2012 06:05, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: Frederick FN Noronha: That is my point too. Having to depend on the expat makes us feel more helpless than we should, and gives you the moral superiority in the bargain. It should be thanks, but no thanks. comment: Paranoia must be an art form or a subset of commie induced madness. For many parents, the sudden (multi-fold) increase of the cost of living necessitated the dependence on the son or daughter who traveled abroad and became the Expat or NRI. These seniors who had worked their whole life to educate their children, were indeed helpless after the sudden and expnential increase in the cost of basics. Only a daft person or the Fidalgo would expect these seniors to say Thanks but No Thanks. jc
Re: [Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright
I think Frederick learnt a new word today (parasitical) and decided to use it in a sentence even if it makes no sense ;-)) It is a word used these days to hide either resentment against those who help or are in a position to help or attack their causes. Or to keep a false pride by refusing (thanks but no thanks) someone's generosity (the worst kind of generosity of course is from the Goan expat in Frederick's thinking). If Frederick was really serious about this parasitical nonsense, he would apply his logic first to one of his endeavor's, GOA 1556 which publishes books. Is GOA 1566 parasitical on wanna-be authors who long to publish and in their despair are preyed upon to fulfill their urge to be an author? Is GOA 1556 parasitical on buyers of Goa books by satisfying their longing for Goan literature, information? I do not believe GOA 1556 is parasitical but by Frederick's bizarre logic, I think one can make that case. George --- On Mon, 8/27/12, Frederick FN Noronha wrote: Someone might say this is a parasitical, unequal and unhealthy relationship between the two. Is funds the only thing that can be given, should be given, or what is needed here? FN On 27 August 2012 22:29, Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com wrote: Please convey my congratulations to these young Goan women on their achievement. Many people complain that Goan events in the UK, USA and Canada are just song-and-dance events. I say that let them sing and dance as much they like if they are collecting funds for Goan causes back home.
Re: [Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright
That's true, George! Except that some really believe this along the way and turn out to be good writers. Secondly, what is the service or product being exchange when it comes to fund-raising by the diaspora? Would it always be a one-way street (they giving and we receiving) or is there any hope of a reverse flow some day? FN On 29 August 2012 09:50, George Pinto georgejpi...@yahoo.com wrote: If Frederick was really serious about this parasitical nonsense, he would apply his logic first to one of his endeavor's, GOA 1556 which publishes books. Is GOA 1566 parasitical on wanna-be authors who long to publish and in their despair are preyed upon to fulfill their urge to be an author? Is GOA 1556 parasitical on buyers of Goa books by satisfying their longing for Goan literature, information? I do not believe GOA 1556 is parasitical but by Frederick's bizarre logic, I think one can make that case.
Re: [Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright
Didn't quite understand FN's reference to the relationship between the two. Which two are being referred to here? I am glad that the youth of GS have started an example of fun with funding. I have always wondered why Goan organizations in Canada did not do likewise. The average net surplus of a Goan function held here in Toronto is anything from $500 to $3000. I know this for a fact. The usual action on a surplus is either adding to the existing assets of the organization thus burgeoning the liquidity for God knows what rainy day or in the case of individual organizers not allied to any formal body, making personal use of the profits made. It is my view that rich Goans in Goa (and almost everybody is wealthy there) don't do enough charity for their brethren and neighbors, spending their syprup on cars, additional flats, foreign jaunts, gambling and who knows what else. If they had to do the right thing, there would not be any need for disapora charity. The funds raised here for Goan functions when such a trend occurs should instead be spread on worthy causes in the local community, whether Goan or non-Goan. The idea of overseas Goans sending money for causes in Goa should in my opinion be a thing of the past unless there is some unusual disaster of large magnitude or special cases that require speedy redressal. Roland. Toronto. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: Someone might say this is a parasitical, unequal and unhealthy relationship between the two. Is funds the only thing that can be given, should be given, or what is needed here? FN
Re: [Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright
Not meaning to sound selfish, I would agree with Roland that people in Goa need to be more charitable and donate more towards their local causes. Money raised here, should be utilized towards local charities be they Goan or other worthy causes. I know some individuals are pocketing the proceeds of thiatrs and other social events like feasts etc. that is not right, these are funds raised from the community and should be used for the benefits or at the discretion of the community. Saving these funds in a bank for a rainy day makes no sense either and these funds could be disbursed to deserving charities where some good could come of them. In the case of funds sent to Goa from here, I am skeptical about how they are utilized. I have heard that even priests to whom the funds were sent have misappropriated and used these funds to their own benefit, some even paying for weddings for their relatives from these funds. as there is no accountability. Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.
Re: [Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright
That is my point too. Having to depend on the expat makes us feel more helpless than we should, and gives you the moral superiority in the bargain. It should be thanks, but no thanks. Of course, there are many people here too who are also generous with their own donations, not necessarily with their chequebooks or purposes but in many other ways. Including through their time and skills and solidarity. FN On 29 August 2012 02:18, manuel tavares duk...@bell.net wrote: Not meaning to sound selfish, I would agree with Roland that people in Goa need to be more charitable and donate more towards their local causes. Money raised here, should be utilized towards local charities be they Goan or other worthy causes. I know some individuals are pocketing the proceeds of thiatrs and other social events like feasts etc. that is not right, these are funds raised from the community and should be used for the benefits or at the discretion of the community. Saving these funds in a bank for a rainy day makes no sense either and these funds could be disbursed to deserving charities where some good could come of them. In the case of funds sent to Goa from here, I am skeptical about how they are utilized. I have heard that even priests to whom the funds were sent have misappropriated and used these funds to their own benefit, some even paying for weddings for their relatives from these funds. as there is no accountability. Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.
Re: [Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright
Frederick FN Noronha: That is my point too. Having to depend on the expat makes us feel more helpless than we should, and gives you the moral superiority in the bargain. It should be thanks, but no thanks. comment: Paranoia must be an art form or a subset of commie induced madness. For many parents, the sudden (multi-fold) increase of the cost of living necessitated the dependence on the son or daughter who traveled abroad and became the Expat or NRI. These seniors who had worked their whole life to educate their children, were indeed helpless after the sudden and expnential increase in the cost of basics. Only a daft person or the Fidalgo would expect these seniors to say Thanks but No Thanks. jc
[Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright
Dear George, Please convey my congratulations to these young Goan women on their achievement. Many people complain that Goan events in the UK, USA and Canada are just song-and-dance events. I say that let them sing and dance as much they like if they are collecting funds for Goan causes back home. Cheers! Cecil === From: George Pinto georgejpi...@yahoo.com To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright Today approximately 200 Goans (and non-Goans) picnicked in the San Francisco Bay Area. Nothing especially newsworthy until two important facts are known: the organizers were two very young women (Genine Lobo and Nicole Fernandes) and unlike a typical picnic, this event was fun and a fund-raiser. Approximately $800 (a preliminary estimate) was raised to benefit a Goan cause (to be determined). Like Candace and the Oakland A's game in July (approximately $550 raised), our youth have made this the new model of any Goan event - combine fun and fund-raising for a good cause. The torch has passed, our youth are in charge. They are confident, clear-visioned, passionate, and believe in success. A big thank you to the organizers, their families and friends who produced a perfect picnic. Goa Sudharop www.goasudharop.org
Re: [Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright
Someone might say this is a parasitical, unequal and unhealthy relationship between the two. Is funds the only thing that can be given, should be given, or what is needed here? FN On 27 August 2012 22:29, Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com wrote: Please convey my congratulations to these young Goan women on their achievement. Many people complain that Goan events in the UK, USA and Canada are just song-and-dance events. I say that let them sing and dance as much they like if they are collecting funds for Goan causes back home.
[Goanet] GOA SUDHAROP: The future is now and it is bright
Today approximately 200 Goans (and non-Goans) picnicked in the San Francisco Bay Area. Nothing especially newsworthy until two important facts are known: the organizers were two very young women (Genine Lobo and Nicole Fernandes) and unlike a typical picnic, this event was fun and a fund-raiser. Approximately $800 (a preliminary estimate) was raised to benefit a Goan cause (to be determined). Like Candace and the Oakland A's game in July (approximately $550 raised), our youth have made this the new model of any Goan event - combine fun and fund-raising for a good cause. The torch has passed, our youth are in charge. They are confident, clear-visioned, passionate, and believe in success. A big thank you to the organizers, their families and friends who produced a perfect picnic. Goa Sudharop www.goasudharop.org
