Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Ashley, perhaps none will bother to do so, or have their own fears, or they are wrapping their heads around the though of doing something. Clinton Vaz did provide Velip's number. This would put the onus on Rama Velip to provide his tormentors number. On the other hand I had posted on Goanet saying that Sebastian Rodrigues could provide the number, in a sense asking him. No response. Perhaps it has to do with Sebastian's own reality, depite the fact that he posted this piece on Goanet, employing Secret Police in the headline as well maintaining it on his blog. Perhaps he knows something that we do not, and hence used Secret Police, and perhaps others have not responded for reasons including keeping away for other reasons including the sheer use of secret police and being associated with this discrepancy. Perhaps they too know something or see the issue differently. You rightly mention coffe tables and platitudes, and I believe I was perhaps the only one responding from afar other than you, so hope that my remarks were not taken to be dull or trite which is what we know a platitude to mean. And for that matter, I for one do not own a coffe table, but do try to do what I can as is apparent of my small offering to fight litigation at MandGoa/Gakuved. Right now I am also working on getting a new phone carrier, besides the fact that I hardly call India now, and that too only if I have to talk sense into people, or if I encounter someone new. Consideringg all that I do (ongoing studies and preparing for a show in Mumbai) and as my side settles down a bit, I will talk at some point to Mr. Velip, but may or may not post that conversation. A bit about myself: In India, I majored in design/illustration for social issues, after studying the customary advertising (Applied Art), and carried it to the U.S. (studying Communication Design/ ComputerGraphics) choosing to work in Production as opposed to designing for advertising, although I do this in an advertising agnecy. This is inspite of being very qualified and in my own way I stayed the course of my convictions, and still work on soically-conscious projects including having designed logos for PWESCR, Delhi and NYTWA, New York, HIMAL South Asia, etc. I would have been in India if my 3rd class (for whatever reasons) while at JJ, after earlier State Ranks, was overlooked at IDC, IIT Powai in whose Design Aptitude Exam I had the second highest percentile (by only appearing for one out of two sections on account of heavy rains, we went off the road--I had to say that) in the nation, but I was denied an interview. Hem mhojem jivit. Anyway, some of us have already paid some very interesting prices bro, and the bit above is the least of it. But over the years I have learnt a lot about Goans on Goanet (NOT directed at you). venantius j pinto Message: 3 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:24:45 +0530 From: Ashley D'silva ashleyivordsi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Ref : Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Nobody has bothered to reply . Why is it so? Are Goa-netters really interested in solving the problem or is it a coffee table discussion to show that someone somewhere in the world is really interested in the welfare of Goa? Platitudes are great but they don't serve the purpose..??? Ashley -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Samir Kelekar Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:50 AM To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Ashley writes: Dear Goanetters, It's a shame that Rama Velip of Colamb village is being harassed. Can Goanet do something for him. Ashley Can we have Phaldessai's number ? We can definitely call him and ask him under what law is he making midnight calls ? If ten people call, it will surely have an effect. samir --
Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs. Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Ref : Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Nobody has bothered to reply . Why is it so? Are Goa-netters really interested in solving the problem or is it a coffee table discussion to show that someone somewhere in the world is really interested in the welfare of Goa? Platitudes are great but they don't serve the purpose..??? Ashley -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Samir Kelekar Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:50 AM To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Ashley writes: Dear Goanetters, It's a shame that Rama Velip of Colamb village is being harassed. Can Goanet do something for him. Ashley Can we have Phaldessai's number ? We can definitely call him and ask him under what law is he making midnight calls ? If ten people call, it will surely have an effect. samir
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
There is no way of reasonably confirming or excluding the harassment charge. No way of knowing who is/was upto what. Remember now ...not everybody who sad he as a Freedom Fighter can honestly state that he wasn't just another gunda or opportunist. Sure there were genuine ones but not all of them. So, I will learn from St Thomas - and not believe until I hear more independent verification. But, if what is alleged is true, it matters little if (a) They are secret or not (b) Whether other democracies have similar units or not If there is Harassment - then Gabriel is spot on. I would not necessarily ask o senhor Carambolim to turn up. Fontainhas has seen enough of vandalism, has it not? jc [3] Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com The CID in India ..is like the FBI in the United States and certain police units in Great Britain, France, and other democracies ...whoever called them the Secret Police obviously not only mislabelled them out of ignorance but also managed to confuse you, Gabriel. That is what I have to say. [2] Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Secret Police? I thought these had gone out with the so-called liberation. Get Karmali and all the freedom fighters involved. [1] Sebastian Rodrigues sebydesio...@hotmail.com wrote Over the past two weeks Rama Velip of Colamb village in Sanguem Taluka is being harassed by Goa .Police - CID
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
It woudl be good if Sebastian Rodrigues or someone come back/ provide this information. Hopefully this will test the resolve of concerned Goans in Goa and outside. venantius j pinto From: Ashley D'silva ashleyivordsi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Dear Goa' netters, It would help if all en- mass email the concerned police dept and its head, Goa CM and the Home Ministry, collector etc and swamp them with emails that will jam the whole line forcing them to take cognizance action against this harassment to Rama.
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
Dear Goanetters, It's a shame that Rama Velip of Colamb village is being harassed. Can Goanet do something for him. Ashley -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Venantius Pinto Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 10:27 PM To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Some thoughts. If it possible to get an OP, Order of Protection against the police. I mean has it ever been done. Besides emotional torture, what do midnight calls amount to? An ample opportunity for possible liquidation?! It also reminded me that almost no analysis has been done of anything related to mining and its various caveats, as sporadic missives from the fields appear on Goanet--by Goanetters. I could be wrong, but even if I could be, it still implies that unlike other issues this one needs a lot of processing before cogent or however incoherent thoughts make it into cyberspace. Also have not seen much by way of writers or essayists, however well meaning their toughts on matters and ills relating to society; aside from mining, with its pros and cons as it plays out in Goa. I am not talking here of journalists, or correspondents in the journalistic sense, nor of activists, or bloggers (who are not exactly slacking). I am talking of corespondence from writers, artists, poets, doctors, professionals, home-makers, and other as correspondents. Remember the word correspondent as it was used in the past. ++ The dessais--Phaldessais--sounds more like fruit parasites, who took a shine to ore. ++ venantius Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:03:18 +0530 From: sebastian Rodrigues sebydesio...@hotmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Over the past two weeks Rama Velip of Colamb village in Sanguem Taluka is being harassed by Goa's Secret Police - CID (Criminal Intelligence Department). Secret police has been visiting the house of Rama Velip and seeks to know about future plans of anti-mining movement. There are phone calls made at Rama Velip's residence at very odd hours in the night and ask him to report to Quepem Police Station. Rama Velip is heading Gawda, Kunbi, Velip and Dhangar Fedearation (GAKUVED) unit under the jurisdiction of Rivona Panchayat and in the middle of resistance movement against mining in Sanguem and Quepem Talukas of South Goa. CID officer who is involved in harassing Rama Velip is one Premanand Phaldessai attached to Quepem Police Station. He hails from Sanvordem and according to the sources his family members are involved in business of transportation of Iron Ore through ownership of trucks. _ Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now! http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in --
[Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
Ashley writes: Dear Goanetters, It's a shame that Rama Velip of Colamb village is being harassed. Can Goanet do something for him. Ashley Can we have Phaldessai's number ? We can definitely call him and ask him under what law is he making midnight calls ? If ten people call, it will surely have an effect. samir
[Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
Can somebody let us know his no? I'd be glad to call him up or ask his higher ups at Panaji. I think i have rama velip's phone no. Rama surely must have Phaldessai's phone no. Clinton.. +91 9890936828 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 300528.21269...@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ashley writes: Dear Goanetters, It's a shame that Rama Velip of Colamb village is being harassed. Can Goanet do something for him. Ashley Can we have Phaldessai's number ? We can definitely call him and ask him under what law is he making midnight calls ? If ten people call, it will surely have an effect.
[Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
Samir's idea is sharp and implementable--and should be appreciated. Thanks Samir. Perhaps also the address of the Police Station. Even if letters were written and cced to the media, the chances of embarassing or rendering human -- Shri Phaldessai is quite high. ++ It is disheartening, whenever I am in Goa, hearing people talk big things about change and koko meme--very little is said in terms of doing ones mite--that little bit that could make one a better person. NOTE: I am largely talking of those of us who live abroad. If you need all your money for yourself, at least consider a letter, a yell, a scream, a walk through Panjim with a placard saying something even as simple as Where is the Goa I remember. I know, I know, hin kalpana mhojim mhojem burgeponn dakonn dita. Zait ghodek mhojem nadanponn-ui. Bamtya bhaxen jivit jiyet tor tumchi poristhti dukhest and paist zateli. Nissonton zatolem amcher nhoim zalear, amchya kuliyer. Rama Velip amcho bhav ani Goycho laguullo (rooted in Goa), ani techer bhiyankul dabhav ghatla to amchea dollea mukhar dovorya; kann diuya. Niyal korat--patkan Pai-chim, Azo (Xapaichim)/Ponzo/ Khapor Ponzo, veglea veglea purvozanchim, tim maguir khavunk yetelim. (basically, sins of our fathers). ++ venantius j pinto Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 300528.21269...@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ashley writes: Dear Goanetters, It's a shame that Rama Velip of Colamb village is being harassed. Can Goanet do something for him. Ashley Can we have Phaldessai's number ? We can definitely call him and ask him under what law is he making midnight calls ? If ten people call, it will surely have an effect. samir --
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
Secret Police? I thought these had gone out with the so-called liberation. Get Karmali and all the freedom fighters involved. No use just getting the pensions and benefits, and celebrating 18 June and 19 Dec - they need to see that the freedom they fought for, is also maintained. Victor RR, what do you say to this? - Original Message From: sebastian Rodrigues sebydesio...@hotmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, 18 July, 2009 9:33:18 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Over the past two weeks Rama Velip of Colamb village in Sanguem Taluka is being harassed by Goa's Secret Police - CID (Criminal Intelligence Department). Secret police has been visiting the house of Rama Velip and seeks to know about future plans of anti-mining movement. Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
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The CID in India,is like the FBI in the United States and certain police units in Great Britain, France, and other democracies. Its detectives work under cover, but whoever called them the Secret Police obviously not only mislabelled them out of ignorance but also managed to confuse you, Gabriel. That is what I have to say. Very best regards, and I hope some time soon we will meet again? I enjoyed my last meeting with you in Melbourne, not so long ago, when you were such a gracious host! --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:35 PM Secret Police? I thought these had gone out with the so-called liberation. Get Karmali and all the freedom fighters involved. No use just getting the pensions and benefits, and celebrating 18 June and 19 Dec - they need to see that the freedom they fought for, is also maintained. Victor RR, what do you say to this? - Original Message From: sebastian Rodrigues sebydesio...@hotmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, 18 July, 2009 9:33:18 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Over the past two weeks Rama Velip of Colamb village in Sanguem Taluka is being harassed by Goa's Secret Police - CID (Criminal Intelligence Department). Secret police has been visiting the house of Rama Velip and seeks to know about future plans of anti-mining movement. Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
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Dear Gabriel, I much regret that my reply to you went out unsigned, all because I mistakenly hit the tab key! Sorry about that. Regards, Victor --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:35 PM Secret Police? I thought these had gone out with the so-called liberation. Get Karmali and all the freedom fighters involved. No use just getting the pensions and benefits, and celebrating 18 June and 19 Dec - they need to see that the freedom they fought for, is also maintained. Victor RR, what do you say to this? - Original Message From: sebastian Rodrigues sebydesio...@hotmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, 18 July, 2009 9:33:18 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Over the past two weeks Rama Velip of Colamb village in Sanguem Taluka is being harassed by Goa's Secret Police - CID (Criminal Intelligence Department). Secret police has been visiting the house of Rama Velip and seeks to know about future plans of anti-mining movement. Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
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Dear Goa' netters, It would help if all en- mass email the concerned police dept and its head, Goa CM and the Home Ministry, collector etc and swamp them with emails that will jam the whole line forcing them to take cognizance action against this harassment to Rama. Some years back when some smart guy opened a restaurant and named it 'Hitler' in Kharghar- Navi Mumbai, the Jewish community from all over the world used this tactic and simply laid Mantralaya low forcing the C.M to immediately react in minutes - fall out was that they did not want a bad name and labeled as fascist. So therefore somebody get the details for their emails and put it up on the net and start acting rather than tossing mails around - let all the mails be directed to the Govt and the Governor. Best of luck to all, Ashley D'Silva -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Victor Rangel-Ribeiro Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:46 AM To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip The CID in India,is like the FBI in the United States and certain police units in Great Britain, France, and other democracies. Its detectives work under cover, but whoever called them the Secret Police obviously not only mislabelled them out of ignorance but also managed to confuse you, Gabriel. That is what I have to say. Very best regards, and I hope some time soon we will meet again? I enjoyed my last meeting with you in Melbourne, not so long ago, when you were such a gracious host! --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:35 PM Secret Police? I thought these had gone out with the so-called liberation. Get Karmali and all the freedom fighters involved. No use just getting the pensions and benefits, and celebrating 18 June and 19 Dec - they need to see that the freedom they fought for, is also maintained. Victor RR, what do you say to this? - Original Message From: sebastian Rodrigues sebydesio...@hotmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, 18 July, 2009 9:33:18 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Over the past two weeks Rama Velip of Colamb village in Sanguem Taluka is being harassed by Goa's Secret Police - CID (Criminal Intelligence Department). Secret police has been visiting the house of Rama Velip and seeks to know about future plans of anti-mining movement. Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
[Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
Over the past two weeks Rama Velip of Colamb village in Sanguem Taluka is being harassed by Goa's Secret Police - CID (Criminal Intelligence Department). Secret police has been visiting the house of Rama Velip and seeks to know about future plans of anti-mining movement. There are phone calls made at Rama Velip's residence at very odd hours in the night and ask him to report to Quepem Police Station. Rama Velip is heading Gawda, Kunbi, Velip and Dhangar Fedearation (GAKUVED) unit under the jurisdiction of Rivona Panchayat and in the middle of resistance movement against mining in Sanguem and Quepem Talukas of South Goa. CID officer who is involved in harassing Rama Velip is one Premanand Phaldessai attached to Quepem Police Station. He hails from Sanvordem and according to the sources his family members are involved in business of transportation of Iron Ore through ownership of trucks. _ Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now! http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in
[Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip
Some thoughts. If it possible to get an OP, Order of Protection against the police. I mean has it ever been done. Besides emotional torture, what do midnight calls amount to? An ample opportunity for possible liquidation?! It also reminded me that almost no analysis has been done of anything related to mining and its various caveats, as sporadic missives from the fields appear on Goanet--by Goanetters. I could be wrong, but even if I could be, it still implies that unlike other issues this one needs a lot of processing before cogent or however incoherent thoughts make it into cyberspace. Also have not seen much by way of writers or essayists, however well meaning their toughts on matters and ills relating to society; aside from mining, with its pros and cons as it plays out in Goa. I am not talking here of journalists, or correspondents in the journalistic sense, nor of activists, or bloggers (who are not exactly slacking). I am talking of corespondence from writers, artists, poets, doctors, professionals, home-makers, and other as correspondents. Remember the word correspondent as it was used in the past. ++ The dessais--Phaldessais--sounds more like fruit parasites, who took a shine to ore. ++ venantius Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:03:18 +0530 From: sebastian Rodrigues sebydesio...@hotmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Secret Police Harass Rama Velip Over the past two weeks Rama Velip of Colamb village in Sanguem Taluka is being harassed by Goa's Secret Police - CID (Criminal Intelligence Department). Secret police has been visiting the house of Rama Velip and seeks to know about future plans of anti-mining movement. There are phone calls made at Rama Velip's residence at very odd hours in the night and ask him to report to Quepem Police Station. Rama Velip is heading Gawda, Kunbi, Velip and Dhangar Fedearation (GAKUVED) unit under the jurisdiction of Rivona Panchayat and in the middle of resistance movement against mining in Sanguem and Quepem Talukas of South Goa. CID officer who is involved in harassing Rama Velip is one Premanand Phaldessai attached to Quepem Police Station. He hails from Sanvordem and according to the sources his family members are involved in business of transportation of Iron Ore through ownership of trucks. _ Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now! http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in --
