Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
On 12 May 2011 13:23, lino dourado libado23...@yahoo.com wrote: COMMENTS Mhaka borem dista Frederick baban adhunik (modern) kalachi Konknnicho vapor korcho. Dictionary-chem nanv ditam: Rajhaums New Generation Konkani-English Illustrated Dictionary. Borkar, Suresh J., Mukesh P. Thali Damodar K. Ghanekar. 2004. Ponnjen mellta. Amkam,1930 modelachi Konknni naka. RESPONSE: Come on Frederick, get that new Dictionary - you did say if there was a newer one you would use it?
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
Whoa, Gabe! Not so fast... Two issues here: (i) This dictionary is subject to copyright. A note on page vi reads: All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrival system or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise, without the prior permission of the publisher. You are free to buy a copy in Goa though (mine costs Rs 120 here in Goa, good price!) (ii) Secondly, it's in Devanagari script. You don't expect me to take all that daily flak for the way the words in Devanagari have been rendered into Romi, do you? See what all is coming up when I merely type Romi into Romi :-) Hope all this debate would want to own a dictionary in Konkani. 1930, 2003, 2009 or whatever! Something is better than nothing. Debate is the best teacher. FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 (after 2pm) #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org On 14 May 2011 13:55, Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com wrote: Mhaka borem dista Frederick baban adhunik (modern) kalachi Konknnicho vapor korcho. Dictionary-chem nanv ditam: Rajhaums New Generation Konkani-English Illustrated Dictionary. Borkar, Suresh J., Mukesh P. Thali Damodar K. Ghanekar. 2004. Ponnjen mellta. Amkam,1930 modelachi Konknni naka. RESPONSE: Come on Frederick, get that new Dictionary - you did say if there was a newer one you would use it?
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
NOU, NOÌ is, used to be a very household item in Goa of wood-fire days when it (mostly of kondó-bamboo) was used to flare up/keep going the kitchen fires. Any hollow tubes. The most loved NOIS in Goa were the ones carried by our Tarvittis containing all their shipping commission and other documents relevant to their work Thei were very valuable as they were hereditary and/or if the tarvotti did noy have a son interested in working aboard a ship, it could be bequethed to a chap of the tarvotti's choice. Aanother instance of NOUì lovingly used in Concanim is: SUNNEACHI XEMPDDI NOUEN GALLEAR KENADNS UBBI ZAINA. Used for any tube but most ubiquitously a bamboo one. It served us all, when young brats, as FOTFOTTI, to be loaded wit TEPLAN / fired off...often with dire results: Ninh re Domnic? Udgas aha? Alfred Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 05:00:16 -0700 From: libado23...@yahoo.com To: goa...@goanet.org; goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo... Clifford Fernandes wrote: NOU DOESN'T MEAN PIPE, IT MEANS TAP Comments Udkachea PIPE-an udok naslear amchea ghorantle NOLL sodanch rite. Lino -Original Message- From: Frederick Noronha Learn one (or more) Konkani word today:
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
I did know the last three Fr Julian Carrasco had started a Konkani coursebut he stopped! that was my loss.. ina Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
Sir, You are using 'C' in place of 'K'. It is not NOROC but NOROK CORUNC is to be written- KORUNK PODDUNC is to be written -PODDUNK C' was used for 'K' at the time of Portuguese. Konknni in Roman Script has improved much since then. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Frederick Noronha wrote: Learn one (or more) Konkani word today: NOROC bad smell, stinking NOROM soft, tender Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
NOU DOESN'T MEAN PIPE, IT MEANS TAP -Original Message- From: Frederick Noronha Learn one (or more) Konkani word today: Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
Much appreciated. Thank you. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Frederick Noronha wrote: Learn one (or more) Konkani word today: NOROC bad smell, stinking NOROM soft, tender
[Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
Learn one (or more) Konkani word today: NOROC bad smell, stinking COMMENT: Most of us use the Konkani word “ghann” – Rostear kochro uddoitat tachi ghann ieta (the garbage thrown on the road stinks.) NOROM soft, tender COMMENT: Most of us use the Konkani word ‘mou/mov’, which also means soft – ‘mov mevta thoimsor konnui khonnddtta’ (everyone likes to dig a soft spot or to take advantage of.) NOROM CORUNC to soften, to modify NOROM PODDUNC to be spiritless NORT f north COMMENT: Per my knowledge, the Konkani word for ‘North’ is “Uttar” – mhojem ghor Uttar Goeant poddta (My house is in North Goa.) NORTI DUDDUANCHEO promissory notes of money COMMENT: The Konkani word that we mostly use for a ‘bill or note’ is “Notti” – Dhor disa mhojea hatant hozaranim duddvancheo notti ghovtat (Every day I handle thousands of bills or notes.) NOS nerve, nerves COMMENT: The word is correct but per today’s improved Konkani it would be written thus – nôs. NOSTO breakfast NOU m pipe COMMENT: Most of us use the word “noll” for water tap – Aiz-kal udkachea nollak sodanch sukti (these days, water tap is always dry.) ADDITIONAL WORD – ‘NOLLI.’ A nolli is a thin pipe or conduit – “Barik nolli funkunk bori” (a narrow pipe is easy to blow.) In the olden days, a piece of nolli was used in a kitchen to blow fire in a chul or fire place. The adage was also used on thin girls, as it has a double meaning. NOULANCHO, -I, -EM surprising, amusing NOUREACHO DEDDO best man COMMENT: The Konkani word for best man is “dheddo” and not novreacho dheddo. NOURI bride COMMENT: The Konkani word for a bride is “vokol” NOURO m bridegroom NOURO-OHOCOL bridal pair COMMENT: The Konkani word for bridal couple is “Novro-Vokol.” Let us try and help people learn Konkani rather than confuse them by giving out old/wrong words, which we ourselves don’t know. The dictionary FN is using is a good guide to refer to provided one has the basic knowledge of the language to differentiate between given words and their meanings. I would not recommend 1930 dictionary to beginners, especially because Konkani has undergone a sea-change over the last decade or so. We have to accept the changes and move with the times. CHECK WELL BEFORE USE Since “EOE - Errors and ommissions (omissions) excepted (expected)” and “the written style may have changed since 1930,” Goanetters need to take the words from the otherwise good “Dicionar” with a pinch of salt. Please refer to the “Dicionar” when in need, but please avoid the (wrong) spelling. We request aspiring publishers of future editions to let us have the benefit of an improved dictionary, because we definitely lack one. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna, Goa Mob: 9420979201
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
Clifford Fernandes wrote: NOU DOESN'T MEAN PIPE, IT MEANS TAP Comments Udkachea PIPE-an udok naslear amchea ghorantle NOLL sodanch rite. Lino -Original Message- From: Frederick Noronha Learn one (or more) Konkani word today:
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
You are right indeed! Show me an acceptable dictionary, preferably in a copyright-free mode (or with publisher permission to reuse), and I will immediately switch from the 1930 one. As of now, that's the most convient one I have. FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 (after 2pm) #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org On 12 May 2011 17:01, Anselmo Johny De Souza johnyans...@gmail.com wrote: Sir, You are using 'C' in place of 'K'. It is not NOROC but NOROK CORUNC is to be written- KORUNK PODDUNC is to be written -PODDUNK C' was used for 'K' at the time of Portuguese. Konknni in Roman Script has improved much since then. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Frederick Noronha wrote: Learn one (or more) Konkani word today: NOROC bad smell, stinking NOROM soft, tender
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
Not sure whether we should see it as having improved much or just changed :-) FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 (after 2pm) #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org On 12 May 2011 17:01, Anselmo Johny De Souza johnyans...@gmail.com wrote: C' was used for 'K' at the time of Portuguese. Konknni in Roman Script has improved much since then.
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
From: Anselmo Johny De Souza johnyans...@gmail.com : Wrote Sir, You are using 'C' in place of 'K'. It is not NOROC but NOROK CORUNC is to be written- KORUNK PODDUNC is to be written -PODDUNK C' was used for 'K' at the time of Portuguese. Konknni in Roman Script has improved much since then. COMMENTS Mhaka borem dista Frederick baban adhunik (modern) kalachi Konknnicho vapor korcho. Dictionary-chem nanv ditam: Rajhaums New Generation Konkani-English Illustrated Dictionary. Borkar, Suresh J., Mukesh P. Thali Damodar K. Ghanekar. 2004. Ponnjen mellta. Amkam,1930 modelachi Konknni naka. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Frederick Noronha wrote: Learn one (or more) Konkani word today: NOROC bad smell, stinking NOROM soft, tender Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/
[Goanet] Konkani Word A Day: Noroc, norom, nort, norti dudduancheo...
Learn one (or more) Konkani word today: NOROC bad smell, stinking NOROM soft, tender NOROM CORUNC to soften, to modify NOROM PODDUNC to be spiritless NORT f north NORTI DUDDUANCHEO promissory notes of money NOS nerve, nerves NOSTO breakfast NOU m pipe NOULANCHO, -I, -EM surprising, amusing NOUREACHO DEDDO best man NOURI bride NOURO m bridegroom NOURO-OHOCOL bridal pair [Source: Konkani-English Pocket Dictionary/Concanim-Inglez Dicionar. First published in 1930. Republished in 1991 and 1999 by the Asian Educational Services, Rs 195 in India.] EOE: Errors and ommissions excepted. Text is from a 1930 dictionary, and written style may have changed since. Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490
