[Goanet] All Religions for Human Integral Development (U. G. Barad)

2010-07-25 Thread pinheiro
Mr U. G. Barad seems to have only negatives to discuss.  The only agenda of 
your debate is to belittle the Catholics... I bless you!  We need good 
people like you to guide us.  But, One request go and read (if your are 
Hindu then I presume you have) the Vedic Literature which shows us at least 
ten important features of the Prajapati-sacrifice which was are completely 
fulfilled in Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection.  I believe Vedas are the 
sacred Scriptures and the final authority of Hindu religion and philosophy. 
It is surprising to encounter the hidden Christ in the Vedas, the 
Purusa-prajapati (the Son of Man and the Lord of all) who gave Himself in 
sacrifice for the salvation of mankind. The Prajapati Sacrifice portrayed in 
the Vedas is literally fulfilled in the real Prajapati Sacrifice of the Lord 
Jesus Christ, such as sinlessness, the sepatation, the rejection, the silent 
suffering, trying to the sacrificial pillar, the shed blood, unbroken bones, 
returning to life. In the Vedas, the birth of our lord and savior Jesus 
Christ, and the good news of the gospel are revealed in the upanisads.


CAME DOWN TO THE PLANET EARTH
A famous verse from the Kathopanisad describes the manifestation of god in a 
beautiful and powerful image. The Purusa-Prajapati from the Rg Vedic 
Purusasukta we can easily see the significance of the above verses in 
relation to the Asvattha tree or Vanaspathi. The tree came down to earth to 
give mankind eternal shelter through its sacrifice. (John 13:19) - The 
expresion, 'I am He' is very significant . He was saying that they would 
understand and believe that Jesus was the Man (the Purusa) about whom the 
sacred books have spoken. He was the man of sorrows' who was despised and 
rejected by men.


THE CROWN OF THORNS
We read about the ceremony of this separation in the thirteenth kandha of 
the 'Sathapathabrahmana. Somethimes they set apart the sacrificial animal by 
a crown made out of a creeping plant of the forest. This seperated animal 
deserves no sympathy. It cannot be used for any other purpose. Once it is 
separated, it is separated for ever for the offering. This feature is also 
fulfilled in Jesus' sacrifice. Jesus was completely separated for the 
eternal sacrifice. John recorded his in John 19:2,5


THE REJECTION
Without the rejection, the third characteristic of the Prajapatisacrifice, 
the sacrifice would not have been preformed. First of all, this rejection 
happened in heaven in the Man's Sacrifice. In the Purusasukta when the devas 
sacrificed the Purusa, God the father was silent. We can find this feature 
in the animal sacrifice which is the second stage of the sacrifice. 
G.Suseelan makes referance to htis in the Itareya Brahmana in the context 
suggested by this translation: The sacrificial animal should be rejected bt 
its father, mother, brother, sister and friends. The animal has to be 
completely abandoned and seperated for the sacrifice. This is exactly 
fulfilled in Jesus. St. John wrote about this (John1:11) The great Apostle 
Paul was rejected by his own people in this period of his life time. In this 
rejection we see one of the important aspects of the Prajapati-Sacrifice as 
well as its fulfillment. When we are forsaken by our friends and relatives 
we must not be dismayed. Remember, we are identifying with the Man (Pursa) 
who was rejected by his own people and who gave himself for us in the 
perfect sacrifice.


THE SILENT SUFFERER
Here, we see that Purusa-Prajapati silently gives himself in this great 
offering. The words of the Rg Veda describe so well the attitude of the Man: 
like a horse I have yoked myself-well knowing to the pole. I seek neither 
release nor turning back. In the Vedas, the person who kills the 
sacrificial animal is called 'samitara which means silencer. His job is to 
make the animal calm. In order to make him calm he asks the animal to be 
quiet. We have references in the Taittiriya Samhita and in the Apastamba 
'srutasutram. However, it is an important characteristic encountered in the 
Prajapati-Sacrificial. This is fulfilled in Jesus in its strictest sense. 
About 700 years before the Lord Jesus Christ, the Prophet isaiah predicted 
it.


CLOSE TO THE CROSS
In the sacrifice of the Man in the Purusasukta we see the Purusa is also 
tied to the sacrificial post. Deva Yadyajnam tanvana abadnan purusam pasum 
(The davas who performed this sacrifice tied Purusa, the sacrificial 
animal.) yajnam yajnasadhanabhtan tan Purusam pasutvabhavanaya yupe 
baddham Here the Purusa is pictured as the victim of sacrifice who is tied 
to the sacrificial post like an animal. In the Rg Veda, He yoked Himself to 
the pole like a horse. He sought neither release nor turning back. The cross 
was the sacrificial post of Jesus Christ.


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pinch of salt.  There is famous inscription on US currency 'In God We Trust' 
but this time and age most Americans do not 

[Goanet] All Religions for Human Integral Development (U. G. Barad)

2010-07-24 Thread pinheiro
From: U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com

 I fully agree with the essential force of the Vatican message to the 
 Hindus
 on Diwali.

 Under the circumstances, I wonder if there is any need for the Vatican to
 continue with a programme of conversion that they are undertaking.
**Dr.U.G.Barad,

My Response as a Catholic Christian Layman.  The very foundation of 
Christianity is conversion.  Jesus was the Jew by birth as he was born to Jews 
parents.  His ministry was all about conversion from worldly desires to 
heavenly desires. The first Christian was Jews converts starting with his 
apostles. Jesus message to all (all human on earth irrespective of Religion 
allegiance) then and now is we must convert from our sinful life.  Jesus death 
on the cross was not only to redeem the Christians but the entire human race. 
It does not matter whether one believes in him or not, he had already paid for 
your sin by his death.  If Dr Barad is referring to RSS charges of conversion 
than one has to justified it by numbers.  Portuguese ruled Goa for 450 year but 
Christian are still in minority.  British ruled India for over 150 years and 
Christians are handful and far less then Muslims. 


Agnelo Pinheiro



 
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