[Goanet] Catholic Church not forcing you
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Albert, I have been following your exchanges with Noel. Apparently you seem to know more about Caritas than we are led to believe. Leaving Caritas aside for a moment, could you kindly share with us what all you have done for the less fortunate, under-privileged, the physically or mentally challenged or for the downtrodden in Saligao or Mapuca or elsewhere for which you express so much concern. We all would like to learn and emulate you. I am reminded of President J F Kennedy who said “ask what you can do for your country rather than what your country can do for you”. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Catholic church not forcing you
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Albert writes:- Dear Marshal I have not collected any money from people of Saligao or Mapuca to do charity. if I had done I would definetely gone round and seen that the money collected goes to the poor. I am not supposed to tell you what I do for the poor and the needy because Jesus himself has said let not your right hand know what the left hand is doing. You seems to be short sighted and cannot understand the basic meaning of truth. When the church undertakes collections which goes to Caritas it is the duty of thechurch to do charity to the needy. We lay people are sweating to make both ends meet. I have not seen any religious putting a paise in the sunday collection box. _ News, views and inimitable perspectives – On MSN India, you get an all-round view of things that matter. http://in.msn.com
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--- On Thu, 1/10/09, Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Catholic church not forcing you To: Major domo goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Thursday, 1 October, 2009, 6:14 PM http://www.catholic-goan-network.net/GOA/[131426]GOA_Fr_Valerian_Vaz_Oulines_the_Noble_Work_of_Caritas.html --- On Wed, 23/9/09, Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com wrote: Albert replies:- That sort of website will not impress me. I have read lots of these stuff . My question to anyone such stuff . My question is whether our schemes are beneficial to goans and how many many goans have benefited by these projects. Secondly these sorts of explanation should be sent to churches and not on websites alone as many people do not go on websites. There is no obligation for Goa caritas to do charity to the world as money collected over here is expected to be utilised for the benefits of the locals first. Even our missionaries do yomen services elsewhere leaving the goan masses to run here and there for the word of God. Albert,I ?shared with you ?a glimpse of what 'Caritas' was doing not to impress you. Since I came across this site, I thought that it might help you to know a little more of what they were doing. You seem to know much more. I wonder, why you are asking these questions?in spite?of knowing, what 'Caritas' was doing.? I suggest you kindly visit the houses run by 'Caritas' to have a first hand inf ormation. I am sure you will find your questions answered. Albert replies:- Thank you Mr.Noel Da Costa for supporting the Caritas. I would b be glad if you give me the detail of what Caritas has done for your village. I am originally from Saligao. I see some people struggling in life to make both ends meet either because of physical dissabilities or otherwise. could you give a brief description as what they have done for the village of Saligao? Who is interested in what they do in houses run by caritas ? I do not even know where the houses are situated. My answers look to be foolish for people to laugh but I am really digging deep.I really envy the believers. (I still belong to the Roman Catholic Church) They have el shadai etc etc. what do we have ? Albert, I really appreciate your concern for the poor and ‘differently abled’. There is a centre of Caritas at Old Goa that empowers the ‘differently abled’ to stand on their own feet. You could direct those people struggling in life in your neighbourhood to this centre. The Caritas Goa is a centre of the diocese of Goa. It caters to the needs of all the people. As you cannot ask the Goa Medical College or Goa University, what it does to your village. The same way you cannot quantify, what Caritas Goa, with their house located at differerent places, does to your village. I really don’t know why ‘believer’ had to be brought into this discussion. Appreciate, accept and imbibe the good that is there in every religion or sects. _ Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now! http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in Yahoo! India has a new look. Take a sneak peek http://in.yahoo.com/trynew
[Goanet] Catholic Church not forcing you
Albert writes :- This is what I read on the website. I cannot make head or tail of this. Can you ? Empowering the Communities Fr Valerian Vaz outlines the noble work of Caritas By Peter Raposo Not only relief but today empowerment of both individual and communities is the focus of attention of Caritas-Goa, said Fr. Valerian Vaz, the Director of Caritas Goa on the occasion of the 40 years celebration of its existence in Goa. Since its inception in 1962, Caritas-Goa has been running a number of projects predominantly of relief work. However, today, along with relief work our vision is to develop Caritas from the point of view of the individual as well as the communities, Fr. Valerian added. Further, elaborating on the vision of Caritas, he said the concern is to deal with people as human beings with dignity, help them run their own lives, guide them to live in communion with each other and in harmony with nature, and build this awareness within communities. While asserting that Caritas is still relevant in Goa, Fr. Valerian said that although the economic statistics of Goa gives us a comfortable picture, the actual situation is different. There is a section of the people who are very poor and another of the people who are very rich. Besides economic oppression, there are others who are socially oppressed and still others who are handicapped, to whom we have to extend ourselves, he said. Today, more and more, Caritas is looking at the dignity of the human person, which includes not merely economic but holistic well being, he stressed. In this regard, most of the projects of Caritas, besides looking after the welfare of the individual, help the individual to stand on its own, he said. In addition to the numerous projects run by Caritas in Goa over the years, a new centre for AIDS patients has been lately started in Thivim, said Fr. Valerian. There are some resident patients. However, many patients who have acquired the virus, frequent the Center for solace and treatment. Prison Apostolate has also been one of humanitarian works of Caritas started recently. Apart from teaching the illiterate among the prisoners to read and write, some of them are even taught useful trades. We try to make their lives more pleasant or bearable and above all make them feel part of a family, said Fr. Valerian. A house for battered women, centre for sheltered employment are some of the new projects in the offing said Fr. Valerian. All these centres cater to all types of people irrespective of religion, caste or creed and are not limited to the people of Goa but are extended to other states as well. Besides umpteen Relief Services in the past, Caritas-Goa has a list of such projects of philanthropic nature spread all over the State. Obra de Proteccao a Mulher - a centre for Service for Protection of Women presently in Nachionala was established in 1942. Prosthetic and Orthotic centre presently located in Old Goa manufactures and provides artificial limbs and other aids like crutches, calipers etc. Physiotherapy Centre has the equipment for therapy like short wave diathermy, paraffin wax bath, infrafill rays, stimulator, traction, shoulder wheel, skates etc. The Centre for the Handicapped at Old Goa which houses both boys and girls, between the age group of 5 and 20, successfully runs a government recognised training and production programme for the inmates. St. Xavier’s Academy meets the needs of differently-disabled children. Recognised schools for the hearing impaired, orthopaedically handicapped, mentally challenged and learning -disabled children is the forte of this Centre. St. Bridget’s Institute of Home Science for empowerment of women conducts a Home Science Certificate Course of 10 months. Guardianship of Relinquished Children, an agency recognised by the Government for placing babies/children, Caritas Complex, Housing Colony for the Homeless, are some among the many charitable and social welfare programmes run by Caritas in Goa. Caritas establishments are Catholic charitable organisations, which were started in 1897. Today, there are about 154 such Catholic organisations involved in relief, development and social service in 198 countries and territories. Although most of these organisations function independently, they have a common mission and derive their inspiration from a common source, besides having a relationship of co-operation, said Fr. Valerian. While drawing inspiration from Christian scripture, tradition and the social teaching of the Church, Caritas organisations work to create a world in which the dignity of the human person is paramount, and in which exclusion, discrimination, violence, intolerance and dehumanising poverty are no more, he said. _ Missed any of the IPL matches ? Catch a recap of all the action on MSN Videos http://msnvideos.in/iplt20/msnvideoplayer.aspx
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Dear Albert,I thought this could help you to know more about, what Caritas is doing. http://www.catholic-goan-network.net/GOA/[131426]GOA_Fr_Valerian_Vaz_Oulines_the_Noble_Work_of_Caritas.html --- On Wed, 23/9/09, Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com wrote: Albert replies:- That sort of website will not impress me. I have read lots of these stuff . My question to anyone such stuff . My question is whether our schemes are beneficial to goans and how many many goans have benefited by these projects. Secondly these sorts of explanation should be sent to churches and not on websites alone as many people do not go on websites. There is no obligation for Goa caritas to do charity to the world as money collected over here is expected to be utilised for the benefits of the locals first. Even our missionaries do yomen services elsewhere leaving the goan masses to run here and there for the word of God. Albert,I shared with you a glimpse of what 'Caritas' was doing not to impress you. Since I came across this site, I thought that it might help you to know a little more of what they were doing. You seem to know much more. I wonder, why you are asking these questions in spite of knowing, what 'Caritas' was doing. I suggest you kindly visit the houses run by 'Caritas' to have a first hand information. I am sure you will find your questions answered. _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/ Add whatever you love to the Yahoo! India homepage. Try now! http://in.yahoo.com/trynew
[Goanet] Catholic church not forcing you
http://www.catholic-goan-network.net/GOA/[131426]GOA_Fr_Valerian_Vaz_Oulines_the_Noble_Work_of_Caritas.html --- On Wed, 23/9/09, Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com wrote: Albert replies:- That sort of website will not impress me. I have read lots of these stuff . My question to anyone such stuff . My question is whether our schemes are beneficial to goans and how many many goans have benefited by these projects. Secondly these sorts of explanation should be sent to churches and not on websites alone as many people do not go on websites. There is no obligation for Goa caritas to do charity to the world as money collected over here is expected to be utilised for the benefits of the locals first. Even our missionaries do yomen services elsewhere leaving the goan masses to run here and there for the word of God. Albert,I ?shared with you ?a glimpse of what 'Caritas' was doing not to impress you. Since I came across this site, I thought that it might help you to know a little more of what they were doing. You seem to know much more. I wonder, why you are asking these questions?in spite?of knowing, what 'Caritas' was doing.? I suggest you kindly visit the houses run by 'Caritas' to have a first hand inf ormation. I am sure you will find your questions answered. Albert replies:- Thank you Mr.Noel Da Costa for supporting the Caritas. I would b be glad if you give me the detail of what Caritas has done for your village. I am originally from Saligao. I see some people struggling in life to make both ends meet either because of physical dissabilities or otherwise. could you give a brief description as what they have done for the village of Saligao? Who is interested in what they do in houses run by caritas ? I do not even know where the houses are situated. My answers look to be foolish for people to laugh but I am really digging deep.I really envy the believers. (I still belong to the Roman Catholic Church) They have el shadai etc etc. what do we have ? _ Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now! http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in
[Goanet] Catholic church not forcing you
CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT FORCING YOU TO Message-ID: 301944.34561...@web94811.mail.in2.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Albert,I thought this could help you to know more about, what Caritas is doing. http://www.catholic-goan-network.net/GOA/[131426]GOA_Fr_Valerian_Vaz_Oulines_the_Noble_Work_of_Caritas.html --- On Wed, 23/9/09, Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com wrote: Albert replies:- That sort of website will not impress me. I have read lots of these stuff . My question to anyone such stuff . My question is whether our schemes are beneficial to goans and how many many goans have benefited by these projects. Secondly these sorts of explanation should be sent to churches and not on websites alone as many people do not go on websites. There is no obligation for Goa caritas to do charity to the world as money collected over here is expected to be utilised for the benefits of the locals first. Even our missionaries do yomen services elsewhere leaving the goan masses to run here and there for the word of God. _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/
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Dear Albert,I thought this could help you to know more about, what Caritas is doing. http://www.catholic-goan-network.net/GOA/[131426]GOA_Fr_Valerian_Vaz_Oulines_the_Noble_Work_of_Caritas.html --- On Wed, 23/9/09, Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com Subject: [Goanet] CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT FORCING YOU TO To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009, 10:56 PM Albert writes:- The writer has shown his ignorance and emotions while writing this letter jumping to conclusion that I have joined the bandwagon of believers because we think because we are Roman Catholics and have a well established church that we have legal right to heaven and all other denominations along with people of other religion are doomed. When Ignorance is bliss it is folly to be wise. I wrote on Caritas. This institution is instituted to look after the poor and needy. If you are helped by st vincente de Paul society in Dabul does not necessarily mean the whole of Goa is helped and there is no poverty among the Christians. I had written the letter on caritas and had said and am saying it again is that caritas has not shown concern to the welfare of the poor and the needy though we are contributing by means of collections towards their fund. One Rosario Abel Fernandes who has written this letter and I am replying to it does not make a nation. Like wise mother Theresa has been helping millions of people all over the world but this is their own contribution towards society and has no connection with the catholic church. In today's world every one is poor. Some may not have money. Some are poor in mind and spirit and needs moral supports. Some may have wealth but no health. etc etc. What is the catholic Church doing towards upliftment of these type of poor ? What are you doing towards this ? I know the catholic Church is not forcing us. Every property that the church has ,belong to the faithful. No contribution towards the church property has been made by the authorities of the Church. Even SVP begs money from people and earn credit, they do not work for it. I may be harsh but looking down on other denomination and other people of other religion by the Roman Catholic to which I too belong is a neurosis. _ Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now! http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in From cricket scores to your friends. Try the Yahoo! India Homepage! http://in.yahoo.com/trynew
[Goanet] CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT FORCING YOU TO
Albert writes:- The writer has shown his ignorance and emotions while writing this letter jumping to conclusion that I have joined the bandwagon of believers because we think because we are Roman Catholics and have a well established church that we have legal right to heaven and all other denominations along with people of other religion are doomed. When Ignorance is bliss it is folly to be wise. I wrote on Caritas. This institution is instituted to look after the poor and needy. If you are helped by st vincente de Paul society in Dabul does not necessarily mean the whole of Goa is helped and there is no poverty among the Christians. I had written the letter on caritas and had said and am saying it again is that caritas has not shown concern to the welfare of the poor and the needy though we are contributing by means of collections towards their fund. One Rosario Abel Fernandes who has written this letter and I am replying to it does not make a nation. Like wise mother Theresa has been helping millions of people all over the world but this is their own contribution towards society and has no connection with the catholic church. In today's world every one is poor. Some may not have money. Some are poor in mind and spirit and needs moral supports. Some may have wealth but no health. etc etc. What is the catholic Church doing towards upliftment of these type of poor ? What are you doing towards this ? I know the catholic Church is not forcing us. Every property that the church has ,belong to the faithful. No contribution towards the church property has been made by the authorities of the Church. Even SVP begs money from people and earn credit, they do not work for it. I may be harsh but looking down on other denomination and other people of other religion by the Roman Catholic to which I too belong is a neurosis. _ Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now! http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in
[Goanet] CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT FORCING YOU TO .......
To all the Alberts, Pauls, Tom Dick and Harry having a grudge against the Catholic Church Coming from economically backward family, I am highly indebted to the Catholic Church for the upliftment socially, financially etc provided to me and my family. SVP society members have helped us by providing food, clothing, medical expenses. My schooling was done in St. Sebastain School, Dabul, whose Principal, my father used to approach to have my brother and my school fees paid. Moral values, missing in todays selfish world were thaught to us by the clergy and The lay people in the Church. We are financially much better and doing well today. All this due to the strengthening of our foundation by the Church and its lay members. We were helped due to assistance provided to the Church by its lay members. And there are countless more who have benefited from the Church and its affiliates. The Catholic Church, in most of the parishes, publishes in the monthly parish bulletin, its balance sheet stating the income and expenditure its incurs annually. Any blind person would know its difficult to operate such a vast network without finance, which the lay people provide. We have stray dogs barking at the caravans whilst it passes peacefully. The least providers OR those who provide not even a paisa are the ones who make a big noise and detract others from doing good. As Christians we are supposed to provide a tenth of our earnings to the Lord. Are we forced by the Church to pay ? never. Ful na pakdi tumcheam zata titlem ghalia mhuntai sermanvant amche Padri. Unless the guys barking belong to a different denomination and are envious of the Catholic Church flourishing due to the blessings of The Lord. If you have doubts than you can directly help the needy wherever you meet. But let not your right hand know what your left hand is doing for you will receive your reward immediately. They have eyes but cannot see, how relevant this words even today.
