Re: [Goanet] Fred, Rajan, Roland, VCD and K3
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 22:31 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fred, Rajan, Roland, VCD and K3 The only choice that I see is what we have decided to do: elect anyone that we see best of the bad choices...and ensure that they perform once elected. Our job is not now but post elections. Some one has to SAVE GOA on a daily basis: it better include each one of us who want to be saved. The rest be damned in the icy regions of apathythe Siberia and hell of most people who call themselves as Gone's...ooops... Goans. We have gone that way before. That's very well put. In elections, what choices do we have? Between bad and worse. So let us go for the bad :-) But, as Miguel says, the job is not now but post-elections, pre-elections and all the time. Of course, Parrikar would not agree with this. His fascist streak was clearly present in one of his statements that I remember (in response to the IFFI and mega-project protests): The people have elected me and if they don't like what I am doing, they can vote against me in the next elections. This is the man's understanding of democracy -- a once every five years ritual at the hustings! -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
Re: [Goanet] Fred, Rajan, Roland, VCD and K3
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dears, Mr. Manohar Parrikar accepted the proposal of K3 and invited me to a private audition with him at the Assembly Complex on 01 March, 2007. By 'private' I mean PRIVATE..just he and me. It was 01 March, not April Fool. I am neither Churchill's brother nor joking. I am really serious...fortunately not 'dead' serious. A week ago, an interview of Mr. Manohar Parrikar was published in the Navhind Times. It contained a reference to 'judgement of error'. He told me that the VCD was perhaps an 'error of judgement'. He implied that I had also made an error of judgement in branding him 'communal' after I detected the goddamned VCD on 18 December, 2004 in a school and raised Kane. He told me that he is not communal at all, that most BJP party workers in Goa were not communal, either. He told me that the VCD was shown to the press at Hotel Mandovi in December, 2002. It was telecast on Doordarshan [National TV] on 19 December, 2002. It was based on a history book in Marathi published during Pratapsingh Rane's previous term as CM. Its script was scrutinised by Comrade Flaviano Dias and Libia Lobo Sardessai. They are not communal [just anti-church, if one may grant]. All that is TRUE, I told him. However, it is also true that the VCD ,in one burst of sudden Government efficiency, was delivered personally by the Asst.Dist Education Inspectors [ADEI] or senior officials on 17 or 18 December, 2004 with instructions to show it to the students after flag hoisting on 19 December, 2004. He DENIED that. The VCD was sent to the schools for their LIBRARY RECORDSby peronal delivery. I do not know if you can believe that. It does not go down well with me. 19 Dec. is one day in the year when the nationalist feeling[ anti-Portuguese, if one would call it] runs rife in Goa. It is a wonderful day to criticise the missionaries. Most of us are familiar with the missionary position. It brings one down on one's knees. that happened to the BJP in January, 2005. I supported Mr. Manohar Parrikar as a man of integrity, even though he was part and parcel of the BJP. Today that is tough. As Mark Twain once wrote.It is easier to find a woman who has never sinned than one who has sinned just once. Ditto for a man. Jose wrote I believe that Goans today are faced with three choices ... (1) a Rock (2) A Hard Place and (3) a third choice that Fred Noronha is threatening to come up with ...but hasn't. The third choice is very, very difficult to find in most constituencies. The MGP and the UGDP may offer some alternatives in some. I doubt the Congress and NCP can give us anyone but the 'rejects' and the 'veterans' of yesteryears...and Churchill does not even know how to say, Where's the Party tonight? Charisma without intelligence is like advertising without a product...what can one profit if there is no saleable product? We will have to 'weigh' our choices...and choose the lightweight...he is ithe easier burden to bear for five years. The heavy-weights have given us spondylitis just keeping track of their actions on the internet! The only choice that I see is what we have decided to do: elect anyone that we see best of the bad choices...and ensure that they perform once elected. Our job is not now but post elections. Some one has to SAVE GOA on a daily basis: it better include each one of us who want to be saved. The rest be damned in the icy regions of apathythe Siberia and hell of most people who call themselves as Gone's...ooops... Goans. We have gone that way before. Mog asundi. Miguel
Re: [Goanet] Fred, Rajan, Roland, VCD and K3
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Roland Francis wrote: With regard to the recent international markets setback, wonder if Carmo's two lads J.. and J.. correctly forecasted the sudden plunges in the Shanghai and other Chinese Stock Markets... Now if the same program could somehow forecast the Manohar Parrikar win in the Goa May 2007 elections, the D'Cruz sofware would be as widely distributed in Goan schools as the infamous Parrikar VCD Rajan Parrikar wrote thus about Fred Noronha: [FN]wrote that intellectually dishonest screed in EPW on the VCD for which I issued a rebuttal on scig (and didn't hear a peep from you about it). === jc's response === re: the Roland Francis post: I hope that, some day, we will resolve not to involve children in our cyber-rants - esp when these children are not personally part of the rave and rant club. Just because K3 behaves in the sad way he does, does not mean that we have to join him by behaving like him. That infamous VCD is another reason that Goans may wish to pause and think. What was the purpose behind that VCD? Why was such a bogus and communally spun VCD produced and distributed in the schools? Do Goans wish to return to the VCD days? Perhaps, they do. Then again, what choices (read Goveian choices) do Goans have? === re: the Rajan Parrikar post: I'd say that it is unfair to GoaNet readers that Rajan is slamming Fred on GoaNet about something that was posted somewhere else (SCIG). I suggest that those FN views and the rebuttal from Rajan be posted on GoaNet. Let others be the judge. May be Fred was intellectually dishonest. May be Rajan is being unfair to Fred. May be, both have valid points. May be ...not. From my point of view, I personally find the 'mirsangh' in the spat these two are having quite puzzling. After all, Fred is a regular down to earth and hard working journo with tremendous daily output, and Rajan's photo essays are crucial to Goan awareness of what is happening to their homeland. It is possible that both have their minuses (like surely, all of us do) but on the balance of probabilities it is my opinion that both have a lot positive to offer. Something which is being obscured with this Ambott-Tikk in public. Never mind the 'pretence of having honest difference or public airing of opinions - so crucial in a vibrant democracyetc etc just my view jc
Re: [Goanet] Fred, Rajan, Roland, VCD and K3 ( a response to Rajan Parrikar)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 02/03/07, Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: Dear Jose, I am reluctant to post my rebuttal on Goanet since I am almost on the verge of signing off from Goanet. Also, I do not wish to rake up past unpleasant issues like the VCD since it serves no useful purpose, and people react emotionally to these things. I don't have any views on the VCD itself since I have not seen it (and I say so clearly in my rebuttal to Frederick). I can email it to you privately if you wish. Warm regards, r ps: Also - despite the harshness in tone in my rejoinders I have no ill-will towards Frederick and I look forward to having chai with him again at Cafe Tato. I have my severe political disagreements with him but on a human level he is a jolly good fellow. Dear Rajan, Thank you for the courtesy of your response. As a person who has seen the VCD, all I say is that it is despicable. No sensible or decent Goan could have perpetrated that obscenity on one's brother Goan. You may have gathered by now that I have a very healthy disrespect for politicians. I admired Manohar Parrikar both because he had intellect and also because we had dodo heads as alternatives. A person ( related to my God-child) who I consider my friend called me one day from the UK inviting me to leave what I am doing here and join him in helping the BJP throw out the corrupt Congress crooks out of power in Goa. I almost did. I however told him that I would think about it - as I do not trust politicians. In my view, they are different shades of the same crookedness. Then, I spent a few days reviewing the antecedents of the BJP. I came to the conclusion that (Whatever they say) the BJP are the public face of the Hindu Maha Sabha. Growing up in Poona, I had seen enough of them. They were no better than the Salazarists in Goa, or the Right Wing Christian bigots in the West. I thought to myself .If I would not even spend one second of my time to support the Righties that the Goveians support, or the merciless Thatcherites why would I support these 'neo-incarnations with gloss' of those very people who spread hate in this world. It would be akin to supporting the Catholic IRA or the Protestant UDV or the Mugabes, Pinochets, Castros, Sadaams or os senhores 'Jorges ani Deeks' of this world. I turned down the invitation of my friend Aires Rodrigues. He returned to Goa.canvassed heavily for the BJP and the rest is history. Even so, I thought Isn't it better to have Parrikar there than Churchill Alemao ? and I thought ...It is. I was very disappointed by his 'compromise of principles' when he made allowances convenient enough to capture the chair. He made deals with the very same crooks who are presently presenting you with the opportunity to use your delightful digital camera. Then came the totally despicable VCD. I believe that Goans today are faced with three choices ... (1) a Rock (2) A Hard Place and (3) a third choice that Fred Noronha is threatening to come up with ...but hasn't. I will submit that IF you have not seen the despicable VCD . you are opining about the BJP without having complete background info. I would have accepted it IF you had seen the despicable VCD and then come to the same conclusion you now are at. About the tone of your discussion with Fred Noronha, I'd say this . It is discouraging that two (out of many) Goan individuals who can be of such usefulness to the future of Goa are having such a 'picante' discussion at such base levels. As my good e-friend Prof Ranjan Sardessai (from Margao and Texas) often says ... We Goans should not think of ourselves as Hindus or Christians (or others ... as FN says he thinks like), we should think of ourselves as Goans. If not those who are not Goans will come, divide us and destroy the Goan ethos and communal harmony we now enjoy and ...which might become extinct along with Amchem Goem. just my view jc PS: please do send my your response and Fred's post that you responded to. BTW: I thank you for your photographic ability. I will write to you privately wrt that in a couple of days.
