Re: [Goanet] GOAN CLUBS THE VIEW FROM MOSHI
How much could be true that in a racialized society, in early history of Moshi and et al, where hierarchies were naturalised by the appearance of physical differences. It is an established fact, Goans in Africa were excluded from certain professions or living in areas where Europeans preferred to settle. Even though some Goans were invited to the inner echelons of power or positions, but to large extent were excluded from the same inner circle as second class citizens. Ironically, Goans embraced the same ideology from the colonizers, and relegated the native African further down the rung of human existence. Abhar, Voznadik Vojem
Re: [Goanet] GOAN CLUBS THE VIEW FROM MOSHI
GL responds: Goans replace their own ignorance and stupidity with discrimination and verbal put-down of others. This starts even within our family; then the negativity extends progressively the further the individuals are from us. There is peculiar attitude and feeling that critiquing others somehow reflects how superior and smart one is. Also critiquing others helps pass the time when one is a betel in a pile of dung. There is a saying out in America - "One cannot fix stupid". What is sad, even the educated who should know better have the same attitudes. Discriminating against others is not a solution to "having a chip on one's shoulder." Jealousy does not achieve success. Persistent hard work and dedication is the only way to progress and advancement. Regards, GL -From: Dom Martin The verbalization 'Goanism' was coined by me to address the arrogantly repulsive and discriminatory trait perpetrated by those in the upper echelon of the caste system against those further down that hierarchy. From: Vivian A. D Souza the need of the hour is a Goan Catholic Truth Commission. It could be in Cyberspace. We Goan Catholics are guilty of a whole lot of discrimination, both within our community and without.
Re: [Goanet] GOAN CLUBS THE VIEW FROM MOSHI
The verbalization “Goanism”,was coined by me to address the arrogantly repulsive anddiscriminatory trait perpetrated by those in the upper echelon of thecaste system against those further down that hierarchy. Whether byintent, plot or coincidence: the ones that set up the art critic todefame me in the Times in a case of criminal libel (which took me 10+years before they were convicted); the ones that attempted to shutdown the Basilica art gallery, and the one who acquitted the accusedall belong in that exclusive ilk/echelon. Dom Martin -- Message:3Date:Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:56:17 + (UTC)From:"Vivian A. DSouza" To:"goa...@goanet.org", Adolfo Mascarenhas Cc:Frederick Noronha , Tony de Sa Subject:Re: [Goanet] GOAN CLUBS THE VIEW FROM MOSHIMessage-ID:<1647921678.1773476.1586253377...@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type:text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ProfessorAdolfo, the need of the hour is a Goan Catholic Truth Commission.? Itcould be in Cyberspace.We Goan Catholics? are guilty of a whole lotof discrimination, both within our community and without.Wediscriminated against each other because of Caste, althoughsupposedly there is no room in the Catholic faith for Caste, as thatwas? a Hindu concoction.We discriminated against tailors mechanicsand cooks, as supposedly they were not? of our social status, thoughour social status was that of lowly clerks n the colonial?administration..We discriminated against, non-Goans includingMangloreans even though they are of Goan ancestry,Hindus, Muslims,Anglo-Indians, Seychellois, Chinese etc. etc. In the Africancolonies, we discriminated against the indigenous Africans, mimickingthe discrimination inflicted? on us by the white man.We need to bareour souls and cleanse ourselves of the baggage that is weighing usdown.Who among us has the moral fibre and personal record to lead sucha commission but thee ?
Re: [Goanet] GOAN CLUBS THE VIEW FROM MOSHI
Professor Adolfo, the need of the hour is a Goan Catholic Truth Commission. It could be in Cyberspace.We Goan Catholics are guilty of a whole lot of discrimination, both within our community and without.We discriminated against each other because of Caste, although supposedly there is no room in the Catholic faith for Caste, as that was a Hindu concoction.We discriminated against tailors mechanics and cooks, as supposedly they were not of our social status, though our social status was that of lowly clerks n the colonial administration..We discriminated against, non-Goans including Mangloreans even though they are of Goan ancestry,Hindus, Muslims, Anglo-Indians, Seychellois, Chinese etc. etc. In the African colonies, we discriminated against the indigenous Africans, mimicking the discrimination inflicted on us by the white man.We need to bare our souls and cleanse ourselves of the baggage that is weighing us down.Who among us has the moral fibre and personal record to lead such a commission but thee ? On Tuesday, 07 April 2020 13:14:37 IST, Adolfo Mascarenhas wrote: Tony Thanks a million for your Message: 5 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 202022:46:48 +0530 Mge-ID: From: Tony de Sa Subject: [Goanet] The Goan Club - EastAfrica The same Goans so proud to be Western discriminate against fellow Goans in this case because he was a Goan Hindu Police man . I will leave the story below xxx. I want to write about heroes in Moshi: both Goans and Non Goans: 1) The Shah family decided to employ handicapped people to man the leather goods factor...they made caps, calendars etc. 2) Have you heard of the Martin Family I meet them in Goa about 14 years ago. Dom Martin is a great artist but also a poet. He is in defense of the rights of the Palestinians. Than you Tony .Your Perspectives stand not like some who pretend that Goan Clubs make us Dark Skinned English Regards Adolfo I can remember a peculiar situation in Moshi, then Tanganyika. We had a club called the Goan Association and we were given a plot ofland for a clubhouse. We first had a wooden clubhousewhich came down one day and we had a new one built at the top of theproperty. One fine day a Hindu Goan whose name was MoluDesai and was from Cuncolim walks into the club demanding membership. Themanaging committee of the club was in a tizzy. Such a situation had neverhappened. Most of our community laboured under a delusion that allGoans were necessarily Catholic. Molu Dessai was reluctantly granted membership.But he also joined the Hindu Gymkhana where he felt he was morewelcome. Molu Dessai worked for the Tanganyika Police. Regards, Tony de Sa Technical Editor ? Graphics ? IT Stuff
[Goanet] GOAN CLUBS THE VIEW FROM MOSHI
Tony Thanks a million for your Message: 5 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 22:46:48 +0530 Mge-ID: >From: Tony de Sa Subject: [Goanet] The Goan Club - East Africa The same Goans so proud to be Western discriminate against fellow Goans in this case because he was a Goan Hindu Police man . I will leave the story below xxx. I want to write about heroes in Moshi: both Goans and Non Goans: 1) The Shah family decided to employ handicapped people to man the leather goods factor...they made caps, calendars etc. 2) Have you heard of the Martin Family I meet them in Goa about 14 years ago. Dom Martin is a great artist but also a poet. He is in defense of the rights of the Palestinians. Than you Tony .Your Perspectives stand not like some who pretend that Goan Clubs make us Dark Skinned English Regards Adolfo I can remember a peculiar situation in Moshi, then Tanganyika. We had a club called the Goan Association and we were given a plot of land for a clubhouse. We first had a wooden clubhouse which came down one day and we had a new one built at the top of the property. One fine day a Hindu Goan whose name was Molu Desai and was from Cuncolim walks into the club demanding membership. The managing committee of the club was in a tizzy. Such a situation had never happened. Most of our community laboured under a delusion that all Goans were necessarily Catholic. Molu Dessai was reluctantly granted membership. But he also joined the Hindu Gymkhana where he felt he was more welcome. Molu Dessai worked for the Tanganyika Police. Regards, Tony de Sa Technical Editor ? Graphics ? IT Stuff
