[Goanet] Goan village names
For some Goanetters who feel disappointed that I did not mention his/her native village name in my previous three posts on the above topic, here below is the list of remaining villages. Bardez: Anjuna, Assagao, Baga ( Calangute ), Britona, Carona, Moira, Nachinola, Nagoa (Arpora), Nerul , Oxel, Parra, Pilerne, Pomburpa, Revora, Saligao, Sangolda and Verem. Ilhas: Caranzalem, Chimbel, Cumbarjua, Curca, Goavelha, Goltim, Neura, Malar, Mandur,Morombim, Pilar , Siridao and Taleigao Mormugao: Bhogmallo, Issorcim, Sancoale and Velsao. Salcete: Assolna, Carmona/Zalor, Chandor, Deussua/Dharmapur/Sarzora ( Chinchinim). Macazana, Majorda/Calata/Utorda, Raia, Rachol, Tolleacanto (Velim) ,Varca/Fatrade and Verem/Nagoa.
[Goanet] Goan village names
Dear Mr Menezes What about my village of Borda in Salcete what does it mean a border in Portuguese, and what was it called before the Portuguese i am not saying the original name was changed. And what about my Mum's village of Comba or Mungul or Seraulim near Colva. Any explanation would be most welcome. Thanking you in advance' Ignatius Fernandes. _ Imagine a life without walls. See the possibilities. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/
[Goanet] Goan village names
Dear Ignatius, Your query (Dec 18) is most welcome. I do not claim to possess knowledge of the Sanskrit language, leave alone of Kanada but I shall answer you to the best of knowledge. Seraulim is known as Sural'le in konkani language but the Konkan railway station has already been sanskritized as Suravalli.Mungul is a hamlet but is part of Margao and so are Borda and Comba, wards of Margao. Borda as you have already stated could possibly have been derived from the Portuguese border and Comba appears to be a genuine konkani name. By the way Comba is the ancestral home of today's Margao moneybags. Thinking of borders, I believe , old Margao's southernmost border was the road in front of the Post Office. All areas beyond it were parts of the Navelim village which were appropriated or misappropriated by the then colonial authorities in order to make way for Margao's new market area called Novo Mercado. So Margao Municipal Garden, Municipal Building,Fazenda or Collector's Office ,Grace Church,Police Hdqtrs (South) ,Loyola H.School, Fatima Convent,State Bank of India old Railway Station, not to speak of the bustling market area itself, were in olden times parts of the Navelim village. Antonio
[Goanet] Goan Village names
Miguel said It is said that Siolim was Shiva halli or Shivoli Benaulim was Bann-a- halli Vanelim was Vana halli while Panjim was Panjak halli. Miguel please confirm, There was nothing like panji or panaji in 1750 or before... in 1850 city of panaji came to existance...due to plague All that is called panaji now is a part of Taleigao/ taligao... and certaily there can not be panjak halli Shrikant Vinayak Barve 9403175973 Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourn...@rocketmail.com. Sign up now! http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address
[Goanet] Goan village names
Gilbert Lawrence ( Dec 13 ) asks:: ''Do we know the original names of the villages prior to the arrival of the Portuguese and the changes in their names ? '' Response: It is quite a valid point. I think I should not have used the word 'change' though I had subsequently corrected myself by saying they altered village names. Here is a story I had heard during my school days.In the nineteen or the eighteen century a primitive survey of Goa was carried out by the Portuguese surveyors with the assistance from mestisso subordinates for whom konkani was a strange language. When a survey team reached Guirim they asked local villagers for the name of their village to which they replied Girvod`dea. The mestisso subordinate wrote down Guir but was at loss to understand 'vod`dea' so he simply said Sim,Sim, Guirim i.e. yes, yes it is Guirim' The following are a few examples how konkani names were twisted by the Portuguese surveyors. Salcete: Benaulim ( Banavle), Betalbalim ( Berpatte)l Cavelossim (Kelshe), Sernabatim (Shirbatte).Loutulim ( Lotle or Rotre)Telaulim ( Torale),Seraulim (Surale) Colva ( Kolleam). Ilhas : Agassaim ( Agashe ), Chorao ( Chodnea ) Jua (Zumvear) Ribandar (Raibondra) Bardez: Aldona ( Oidonnea) Arpora ( Adfaddea) Assonora ( Asnodea) Bastora (Bostodde) Calangute (Kongotte) Antonio PS.Please Goanetters do correct konkani versions where necessary and please come out with more konkani village names for the benefit of other Goanetters.
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Dear Antonio, The book written by Fr Joseph Vellinkar (he's at St Xavier's College Bombay), on the origin of Goan village names, makes for an interesting read. From the little I remember, the 'lim' ending you mention, is the abbreviated form of the Sanskrit 'halli', meaning hamlet. Regards, Reena Antonio Menezes wrote: The arrival of the Portuguese in Goa in 1510 was also accompanied by change in the names of villages throughout Goa. In keeping with the traditions of their language having words which often ended in nasal syllables, they altered Goan village names to suit their own palate to say the least. Most village names have ended in LIM as follows: Salcete: Ambelim (Assolna),Benaulim,Camurlim (Ambora),Cuncolim, Duncolim,Davorlim,Guirdolim, Loutulim,Navelim/Telaulim,Sirlim,Orlim,Seraulim, Vanelim and Velim. Mormugao: Cansaulim/Cuelim, Chicalim, Cortalim and Dabolim. Ilhas: Bambolim, Carambolim,Corlim, Gandaulim,Panelim,Navelim (Divar) and Talaulim ( Santana) Bardez: Camurlim (Colvale) ,Candolim, Cunchelim (Mapusa),Olaulim and Siolim. Names ending in AIM: Agassaim,Rassaim, Sirssaim,and Ucassaim Names ending in EM: Aquem,Bodiem, Caranzalem,Corjuem, Nuvem,Paliem,Sirvodem,Sodiem and Verem. Names ending in NIM : Chinchinim, Panzorconi and Vainguinim Names ending in RIM : Cavorim,Curtorim, Guirim,Panarim, Porvorim,Sinquerim and Tamborim. Names ending in SIM : Arossim, Azossim, Cavelossim,and Quelossim. Names ending in TIM : Batim, Betalbatim,Betim Goltim(Divar), Sernabatim,and Sinquetim Names ending in VEM : Tivim and Calvim Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. The mail is intended only for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed. The mail shall not be acted upon but destroyed promptly, if a person for whom it is not intended receives it. Opinions, conclusions and other information in the message that do not relate to the official role of the sender shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by ABP Pvt Ltd or its subsidiaries, associate companies, affiliates or its group companies.
[Goanet] Goan Village names
-- Forwarded message -- Dears, It is said that Siolim was Shiva halli or Shivoli Benaulim was Bann-a- halli Vanelim was Vana halli while Panjim was Panjak halli. Halli is a current Kannada word meaning village or hamlet. Dravidian language though the Devanagri Konkani lobby may callit,Kannada has more Sanskrit roots than Marathi. The word Angodd is also derived fromn the current Kannada wardAngddi meaning shopping place or even a ghaddo Goa , for most part of its pre-colonial era was a part of Karnataka-based Kingdoms from Vijaynagar, Bahamani, Bijapur, Sonde or evenKadambas of Banavasi, near Sirsi. Mog asundi Miguel Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:02:40 +0530 From: reena.martins reena.mart...@abp.in Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan village names Message-ID: 49437328.6060...@abp.in Dear Antonio, the 'lim' ending you mention, is the abbreviated form of the Sanskrit 'halli', meaning hamlet. Regards, Reena Antonio Menezes wrote: The arrival of the Portuguese in Goa in 1510 was also accompanied by change in the names of villages throughout Goa. Most village names have ended in LIM as follows: Salcete: Ambelim ,Benaulim,Camurlim (Ambora),Cuncolim,Duncolim,Davorlim,Guirdolim, Loutulim,Navelim/Telaulim,Sirlim,Orlim,Seraulim, Gandaulim(Colva),Vanelim and Velim. Mormugao: Cansaulim/Cuelim, Chicalim, Cortalim and Dabolim. Ilhas: Bambolim, Carambolim,Corlim, Gandaulim,Panelim,Navelim (Divar) and Talaulim ( Santana) Bardez: Camurlim ,Candolim, Cunchelim ,Olaulim and Siolim. -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 miguelbraga...@yahoo.co.in -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Goan village names
Hi Antonio, Do we know the original names of the villages prior to the arrival of the Portuguese and the changes in their names? Thanks in anticipation Regards, GL - Antonio Menezes The arrival of the Portuguese in Goa in 1510 was also accompanied by change in the names of villages throughout Goa.
[Goanet] Goan village names
The arrival of the Portuguese in Goa in 1510 was also accompanied by change in the names of villages throughout Goa. In keeping with the traditions of their language having words which often ended in nasal syllables, they altered Goan village names to suit their own palate to say the least. Most village names have ended in LIM as follows: Salcete: Ambelim (Assolna),Benaulim,Camurlim (Ambora),Cuncolim, Duncolim,Davorlim,Guirdolim, Loutulim,Navelim/Telaulim,Sirlim,Orlim,Seraulim, Vanelim and Velim. Mormugao: Cansaulim/Cuelim, Chicalim, Cortalim and Dabolim. Ilhas: Bambolim, Carambolim,Corlim, Gandaulim,Panelim,Navelim (Divar) and Talaulim ( Santana) Bardez: Camurlim (Colvale) ,Candolim, Cunchelim (Mapusa),Olaulim and Siolim. Names ending in AIM: Agassaim,Rassaim, Sirssaim,and Ucassaim Names ending in EM: Aquem,Bodiem, Caranzalem,Corjuem, Nuvem,Paliem,Sirvodem,Sodiem and Verem. Names ending in NIM : Chinchinim, Panzorconi and Vainguinim Names ending in RIM : Cavorim,Curtorim, Guirim,Panarim, Porvorim,Sinquerim and Tamborim. Names ending in SIM : Arossim, Azossim, Cavelossim,and Quelossim. Names ending in TIM : Batim, Betalbatim,Betim Goltim(Divar), Sernabatim,and Sinquetim Names ending in VEM : Tivim and Calvim
