Re: [Goanet] Recent books from Goa... worth recommending

2009-10-10 Thread Santosh Helekar

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--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I thought Santosh was going to post ections
 from Priolkar's book for review and discussion.  I have
 not seen any.  But may be I missed them.
 

I had said I would write my own review of the book, which I will when I have 
some free time to do justice to it. I have already commented on Buchanan's mild 
account, reproduced in its entirety by Priolkar. Buchanan was another man 
Frederick had tried to smear and misrepresent in this forum, along with 
Priolkar.


Some defend using Dellon's account (which I have not read) as being a 
victim's account. This has minor validity. This is like trying to know about 
cholera by reading the account of a patient. 


Strange logic! How about a rape victim's account of a rape committed against 
her? Would that be of minor validity, as well?

I thought a good physician learned a lot about a disease from a patient's 
description of his/her own symptoms.

 
 I am sorry about a well known Christian research scholar
 too has endorsed this. This shows that scholars can make
 basic mistakes in judgment. Nothing new!!! I am glad M.
 D'mello and and FN are bold and have stood up. 
 

Incredible! Please note the emphasis on the religion of this research scholar 
and the posture of D'Mello and Noronha. This statement should tell us 
everything we need to know what this is all about.

I had provided the endorsements of not one, but two eminent scholars, Gerald 
Moser and Charles Boxer. I do not know what religion they belonged to. The 
scholarly journals did not mention it because it should be of no consequence, 
if one is solely interested in the dispassionate, unvarnished, unwhitewashed 
truth.

But any objective person would like to know what contributions to historical 
scholarship on the inquisition have Maurice D'Mello, Frederick Noronha and 
Gilbert Lawrence made for which they are standing up on Goanet, and opposing 
real historians. What profound independent insights have they achieved which 
lead them to believe that genuine historians and scholars have made basic 
mistakes?

M. D'Mello wrote:
 
 Is this a revised addition? If not, more and more will deem
 that this is the truth about inquisition in Goa as this
 book heavily relies on Dellon's biased account in the first
 place. 


The above tells me that D'Mello has not read Priolkar's book. The book relies 
on the works of 50 named scholars and one anonymous work. Regarding Dellon and 
Buchanan, Priolkar simply reprints their accounts in Part II of his book.


Unless some one brings out the truth, I am sorry to say, this will be the 
impression of the Inquisition.


How does this man decide what the truth is?

Noronha wrote:
 
 AK Priolkar's The Goa Inquisition (new edition). A book
 that has shaped the understanding of the Goa Inquisition,
 specially within South Asia, though I do not agree with its
 portrayal. 
 

Why does Noronha not agree with Priolkar's portrayal based on the works of 50 
historians and scholars? What does he know that nobody else does?

Cheers,

Santosh


  


Re: [Goanet] Recent books from Goa... worth recommending

2009-10-09 Thread M.D'MELLO

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* AK Priolkar's The Goa Inquisition (new edition). A book that has
shaped the understanding of the Goa Inquisition, specially within
South Asia, though I do not agree with its portrayal. Available in
bookshops, including at Rajhauns (Daulat Bldg, St Inez) or Broadway,
etc.


FN,

Is this a revised adition? If not, more and more will deem that this is the 
truth 
about inquisition in Goa as this book heavily relies on Dellon's biased account 
in 
the first place. Unless some one brings out the truth,Iam sorry to say,this 
will be 
the impression of the Inquisition.

Since a well known Christian reaearch scholar too has endorsed this, most
websites quote his article extensively.  You may be aware of this.

Regards
Maurice.




[Goanet] Recent books from Goa... worth recommending

2009-10-09 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

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I thought Santosh was going to post ections from Priolkar's book for review and 
discussion.  I have not seen any.  But may be I missed them.

As regards heavily relies on Dellon's biased account in the firs place.  Some 
defend using Dellon's account (which I have not read) as being a 
victim's account. This has minor validity.  

This is like trying to know about cholera by reading the account of a patient. 
However in- depth the account may be from a patient, about their sickness and 
stay in a hospital, including the details about their stools, there is no 
information or any idea of the cause of cholera, its epidemiology, its 
treatment and prognosis.  One patient's account may differ significantly from 
the next cholera patient's account.  So clearly such a victim's account is 
marginal at best; certainly not authoritative and unworthy of reference.

I am sorry about a well known Christian research scholar too has endorsed 
this. This shows that scholars can make basic mistakes in judgment. Nothing 
new!!! I am glad M. D'mello and and FN are bold and have stood up. 

Regards, GL

 M.D'MELLO 

Is this a revised addition? If not, more and more will deem that this is the 
truth about inquisition in Goa as this book heavily relies on Dellon's biased 
account in the first place. Unless some one brings out the truth, I am sorry to 
say, this will be the impression of the Inquisition.
Since a well known Christian research scholar too has endorsed this, most 
websites quote his article extensively.  You may be aware of this.

-- FN

AK Priolkar's The Goa Inquisition (new edition). A book that has shaped the 
understanding of the Goa Inquisition, specially within South Asia, though I do 
not agree with its portrayal. 


  


[Goanet] Recent books from Goa... worth recommending

2009-10-08 Thread Frederick Noronha

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* Gerard da Cunha-published 'Mario de Miranda', a bulky book costing
approx Rs 2700. Coffeetable, large-sized and hardbound ... on the
cartoonist's life works. Including work from his boyhood! Available at
http://mariodemiranda.com/

* The Goa Migration Study 2008, NRI Commission. Unpriced. Also
available freely in PDF. Contact me via goa1...@gmail.com if you'd
like a free copy.

* Teotonio R de Souza's Medieval Goa. Rs 495 hb Rs 395 pb Focussing on
Goan lives in the 17th century. Available via goa1...@gmail.com

* Lambert Mascarenhas' new novel (though not set in Goa). Heartbreak
Passage. Available at Broadway.

* Aureliano Fernandes (GU, political sc dept) Panchayatantra, on
panchayats in Goa. Hb. Available at bookshops in Goa, Broadway and
Varsha, etc. a...@rediffmail.com

* Francis Rodrigues' Greatest Konkani Song Hits. In Goa, Rs 850.
Available via mail-order at http://www.facebook.com/reqs.php

* AK Priolkar's The Goa Inquisition (new edition). A book that has
shaped the understanding of the Goa Inquisition, specially within
South Asia, though I do not agree with its portrayal. Available in
bookshops, including at Rajhauns (Daulat Bldg, St Inez) or Broadway,
etc.

* Architect Gerard da Cunha's Museum Houses of Goa Monograph Series.
Easily recommendable. Approx Rs 100 each, two separate thickish
booklets. One on Hindu houses of Goa. One of the two 'monograph'
titles I came across was titled 'Study of Hindu Domestic Architecture
in Goa'. What was more surprising is that this study was done way back
in 1947, and that too by a Tanzanian architect of Goan origin. Anthony
Almeida (b. 1921). Om V. Prabhugaonkar's 'Houses of Canacona' looks at
the socio-cultural factors there. The author is himself from Canacona,
and that part of Goa is geographically very rich and with a long
coastline, khazan lands and forests which extend upto the Western
Ghats, says D'Cunha. The inhabitants too come from different
communities -- shepherds, tribal, agriculturists, fishermen and the
priestly class. Available at Porvorim (Torda) at Architect Gerard's
Houses of Goa Museum. http://www.archgoa.org/

* Rochelle Pinto's Between Empires: Press and Politics in Goa... 20th
century history/sociology. Worth a read. Available in Goa at
Broadway's and Literati.

* Panteleão Fernandes' 100 Goan Experiences Rs 395
In keeping with what one would expect from his book,
Fernandes tells a visitor to Goa -- or even the potential
local reader, since we barely know our own state well enough -- what
are the possible things one could spend time doing while here. Email
pantale...@gmail.com

* Jose Lourenco Amazing Goa infocards
Interesting tidbits about Goa. Like a quiz game. Contact the
compiler/publisher joseloure...@rediffmail.com

* 'Roteiro dos Aquuivos da India Portuguesa'
In Portuguese, about the holdings of the Goa Archives.
2009 reprint. Rs 220. Available at the Goa Archives, Rua de Ourem,
Panjim during office (cash) hours.

* Archdiocese of Goa Directory 2009-10 Rs 50. A very thorough listing
of almost every church-related institution (religious, educational and
social work oriented) in Goa and Daman. Available at the Diocesan
Centre for Social Communication Media, c/o Archbishop's Palace, Panjim
and at some other church outlets. dcscm...@gmail.com or
pxg...@gmail.com

* Sarasvati's Children, on the Mangalore Christians and their
connections with Goa. By Alan Machado Prabhu alan.macha...@gmail.com

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