Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Aristo
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AXC: Helga, I for one would love to join you and others to rebut SC's latest posts, many of which are hilarious. But i've been too strapped for time lately to deal with her insecurities. But thanks, Helga, for your sane rebuts. - Dear Aristo, All this time I was under the mistaken impression that this was a debate forum about matters relating to Goa. Had I known that this was a sort of WEBMD, where medical diagnosis of one's psychological conditions such as insecurities, paranoia, etc, were routinely diagnosed by post-graduates working in the computer industry, I would have long stopped paying my health insurance premiums in the US. Thank you for taking time out from your busy work schedule but if you want some advice, keep your day job. selma Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Helga
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HRG: I am all for an intelligent discussion on castes/discrimination and its implication for the present state of education in Goa. But I won't stand for derision and anecdotal evidence as data. Your comments are offensive and there are probably others like me who found them so. They could be silent because 1) They don't want to deal with these polemics 2) Are too well bred to say so. - Helga, I think all of us on this board can represent our views from our own perspective and experiences. From time to time, these are bound to clash with people who come from a different walk in life. That to me is what makes this board diverse and exciting. I'm sorry you've found some of my views offensive. I didn't mean to cause anyone offence but perhaps I did in my desire to defend my point of view. In anycase, to me this discussion is closed. selma Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Helga
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 3/7/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SC: One faction of society has it and the other is denied it. I can hardly be in a position to keep casteism alive and kicking. I don't have the power. HRG: Seems to me that you have the power to voice your opinion on this forum and every other power you would like to have! What powers would you like and what deters you from having them? Maybe we could help? AXC: So i guess SC feels she is in the wrong side of the colour, caste and sex. Chips, chips and more chips! SC: If your analogy was true, every struggle or opinion voiced against casteism would be considered a strategy to keep it alive and ticking. HRG: I am all for an intelligent discussion on castes/discrimination and its implication for the present state of education in Goa. But I won't stand for derision and anecdotal evidence as data. Your comments are offensive and there are probably others like me who found them so. They could be silent because 1) They don't want to deal with these polemics 2) Are too well bred to say so. AXC: Helga, I for one would love to join you and others to rebut SC's latest posts, many of which are hilarious. But i've been too strapped for time lately to deal with her insecurities. But thanks, Helga, for your sane rebuts. I noticed her insecurities when she accused me of twists and distortions when I innocently and impartially mentioned she used the word freaks for gays, and when she thought I said she was mentally retarted when I used the word paranoid in the colloquial sense for her. I have since stopped debating with this individual. Perhaps this link that I googled should help her: http://www.more-selfesteem.com/ Just wanted to add that Sunith, a long friend of mine, is not derisive towards Gulfies, (I know as I myself was one, and a son of one) and rightly didn't bother to justify himself against her illogic. Some good words though, it was because of the civility of debate that she brought to Goanet when it was in its nadir (or in one of many) that I decided to first voice my opinion. And she has encouraged the other members of the disadvantaged sex to voice their opinion. without malice, Aristo. PS. I found all the posts on the Educational System very interesting, and was thinking about doing something concrete. I do believe it is sufficient for one's survival in its current state, but can be improved to produce well rounded individuals. Will inform you'll if it is practical and if it ever materialises.
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Gilbert
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Frederick \FN\ Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Her argument that we men don't change nappies anyway isn't enough to justify a what's-good-for-me-is-good-for-India approach. --FN Has nothing to do with the topic, but as you mention the above, it is a tad incorrect to say that men don't change nappies - we do. Rather, I have done in the far past when my recent grown-ups were toddlers. A peep into the men's room at Singapore airport might just enough convince some that men do change nappies - there is a nappy-changing table there - at least in the one I visited (next to the food court), last Feb. Cheers, Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Helga
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Selma, To address your post: So your rebuttal was in the wrong mail. HRG: No my reply was in the right thread. Because your remark about 'Bamons' was in the' Much Maigned Gulfie 'discussion - I did not put it there - you did. I think that last sentence was most unwarranted and I'll tell you the reason why. Discrimination, biases, caste harassment, sexual harassment, are not about colour, caste or sex. They are all about power. HRG: Thanks for explaining that to me! How did I live all these years without knowing that ?! One faction of society has it and the other is denied it. I can hardly be in a position to keep casteism alive and kicking. I don't have the power. HRG: Seems to me that you have the power to voice your opinion on this forum and every other power you would like to have! What powers would you like and what deters you from having them? Maybe we could help? If your analogy was true, every struggle or opinion voiced against casteism would be considered a strategy to keep it alive and ticking. HRG: I am all for an intelligent discussion on castes/discrimination and its implication for the present state of education in Goa. But I won't stand for derision and anecdotal evidence as data. Your comments are offensive and there are probably others like me who found them so. They could be silent because 1) They don't want to deal with these polemics 2) Are too well bred to say so.
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Roland
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope I am not the only one to notice how she tore Judaline of Toronto to shreds with her cold sarcasm in a recent post. -- Dear Roland, I'm very Roman. Throw them to the lions, I say. If they come back then they're worth their weight in gold. See how Judaline has made a wonderful recovery. :-) I don't see any man rushing to my defence :-) Selma Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: [Goanet] the much-maligned gulfie
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Eugene Thanks for your very sensible contribution, among others, to the ongoing discussion on the seemingly much maligned Gulfie. It is a mystery to me why anyone should have cause to ridicule our fellow Goan brothers and sisters who opt to go to the Gulf to work hard and earn enough money to 'invest' in any legitimate manner of their choosing. It is definitely not our business to malign anyone seeking to leave Goa for gainful employment anywhere in the world, if in their judgement, it makes economic sense. After all, some 200 million people are currently on the move worldwide, and indeed, many of our grandfathers did just this, like mine, to East Africa in the 1890s, and indirectly provided me a valuable 'leg-up' which I truly value. In the past five or six years that I have been on Goanet, I have been quite impressed by news about the social and sporting activities among Goans in the Gulf economic sector and can only wish them well. To date, I have come across just one respondent from Kuwait, provably, with a very limited vocabulary and intelligence who could possibly be maligned but I would not stoop that low even in his case. Quite frankly, maligning fellow Goans in the Gulf is a very sad reflection on those articulating anti-Gulfie views rather than on those engaged in honest endeavour in the Gulf. Viva Gulfies! Cornel DaCosta, London, UK. - Original Message - From: Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] the much-maligned gulfie Just yesterday I called a relative and asked her if she would take up a job in a household. This relative has a good job with a high-sounding title in a hotel. I was frank in telling her that once she serves a year in the household of a very rich couple she could look for a job in her field in an hotel. I said I would help provide her some contacts in hotels. I said the choice is hers because she would make more money that what she is making in Goa...
[Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Roland, Thanks for rushing to my defence. Selma, being Selma, tried to shred me with her 'Culer' and 'Canto'. But did she succeed? I don't think so, sarcasm never kept me from giving my opinions. I'm alive and kicking, not scurring for the Solim hills. Ever since I discovered Goanet, I have had a lot of fun reading most of the posts. You bet, when I find something interesting to share, I will not hesitate to do so, come sarcasm or high-waters. Goanet is a great way to hear about Goans and their experiences in other countries. And Incidentally, how else would I have learned something new about my sleepy little village, Ucassaim and The Topic of Capricorn had it not been on goanet Digest Vol 2, Issue 218, courtesy of Frederick Menezes. I've spent too much time, at work, on goanet this morning, my boss (hubby) is threatening to sack me. So back to work. Cheers, Judaline (www.uaecourier.com) Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:01:54 -0500 From: Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Gilbert To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Frederick, I too am resigning from her fan club. On the grounds that she is so overpowering to any other female who dares post on Goanet, that said female scurries for the Siolim hills before you can say fork and knife. Hope I am not the only one to notice how she tore Judaline of Toronto to shreds with her cold sarcasm in a recent post.
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Selma, HRG: Here I am address some of your comments. But not all stereotypes are negative. For instance, the stereotype of the Goan Catholic being a susegad, fun loving, peaceful creature has been our hallmark and we embrace it. HRG: I can't imagine any stereotype being good! Perhaps you do not know but the 'sussegado Goan' stereotype often has a negative connotation because it depicts people who are lazy, have no ambition and are happy with their little world. I certainly would not like to be called sossegada and much less sossegado! Let's analyse the stereotype that has arisen of the Gulfie. That he is uneducated, that he goes to the Gulf does a menial job, comes back with a lot of money but continues to be an uncouth buffoon. HRG: That is a stereotype but in my discussion of education I was not perpetuating it. I won't repeat what I have already said in that post. goes to the Gulf, often works from dusk to dawn, suffers unbearable conditions, separated from his family and returns to Goa to enrich it economically. HRG: That was the point of the discussion. Why do they do so? My point and I think Sunith's was to say that perhaps our not so bad (but could be better) education could be harnessed to get young men into good positions in the tourism industry. Money? Valuable but a short term gain.There is also job satisfaction, living amongst your family and career prospects that favor living in Goa. And if you say they suffer unbearable conditions then perhaps the our government, schools, churches and NGOs could sell the advantages of a good education and the doors that it can open. Is hard work and sacrifice to be ridiculed? Not only do we make fun of it, but government policies are such that the Gulf-worker is usually unduly discriminated against when he returns, right from the time of his arrival at customs. HRG: No its not but everyone works hard not only Gulf Goans. Its a pity that the countries where they labor and give their best years respect them even less. The scores of Gulf-workers are usually those of the disadvantaged castes. They are not Bamons, privy to opportunities that arise from wealth and connections. HRG: I think its my turn now to say that I have had it with the berating of 'Bamons' as you like to call them. As you have analyzed the Gulfie for me perhaps its my turn now to dissect the 'Bamon' for you? Yes, some families have been privy to wealth and the opportunities it offers but so have you thanks to your parents. Many of these families are not wealthy but being middle class they have understood the value of a good education and have encouraged their kids to do well and many have. Some of the kids that Sunith named and you dismissed as rich kids are kids of government workers with no property to sell and make a fast buck. But like the Gulf Goan they have worked very hard to get into good universities in India and overseas. Entrance into professional colleges in Goa is much less biased towards the wealthy than say Ivy League universities in the USA. That's why there are so many non Bamon doctors, priests, architects, engineers and Professors. If anything this derision is infact another way of keeping casteism, well, alive and kicking in Goa. HRG: I think you are contributing to keeping casteism well, alive and kicking on this forum. Helga
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Gilbert
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Frederick, I too am resigning from her fan club. On the grounds that she is so overpowering to any other female who dares post on Goanet, that said female scurries for the Siolim hills before you can say fork and knife. Hope I am not the only one to notice how she tore Judaline of Toronto to shreds with her cold sarcasm in a recent post. On 3/4/07, Frederick FN Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too subscribe(d) to the Selma Carvalho fan club. Don't know if it's because she occasionally flatters me in public or because of a certain proximity in our understandings of politics. Anyway, I was very disappointed (and am seriously considering resigning from the said fan club) after she sought to evaluate the entire transportation priorities in India on the basis of nappie-changing facilities in Dabolim. Or rather, the lack of them. Her argument that we men don't change nappies anyway isn't enough to justify a what's-good-for-me-is-good-for-India approach. --FN -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20070304/8d8f1669/attachment.htm
Re: [Goanet] the much-maligned gulfie
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Just yesterday I called a relative and asked her if she would take up a job in a household. This relative has a good job with a high-sounding title in a hotel. I was frank in telling her that once she serves a year in the household of a very rich couple she could look for a job in her field in an hotel. I said I would help provide her some contacts in hotels. I said the choice is hers because she would make more money that what she is making in Goa. She said she would let me know when she gets her passport which is with an agent for renewal. Another graduate Goan girl, who passed out from a college in Mapusa, came recently from working in a call centre in Pune for a year and in about a month or so she landed a job in a well-known electronics company. She is getting about dirhams 4,000 and lives in a shared room. She says she is happy with the job. I think Carmo is very harsh on those going to the Gulf. On the other hand, I can understand Cecil's humour and also the point he has made (according to Selma) that these Gulfies carry a chip on their shoulder. Ditto was the case with shippies, who came with loads of goods from their trip. They wore expenses watches. As for Gulfies, many of us in Canada were shocked to see these Goans migrate to their new land and immediately buy houses with full downpayment or a big sum. We could understand that these Goans made good money in the Gulf, much more than some of us made in Canada. We didn't envy them, but were rather shocked. That's the way it was, and that's the way it will remain at least for a long time. Gulf will remain a goldmine for a long time and Goans should take the opportunity to make their money and then return to Goa. However, the Gulf is not the same it was ten years ago or longer with regard to job opportunities and pay scales. The Phillipinos have taken over a large slice. They work for less money. Shockingly, most of them have college degrees but work in low-paying jobs. I may be wrong but, just like in some states in India, I believe it is easy to get fake degrees in the Phillipines. People move into places where they find comfort and money. Goa is a magnet for people from the neighbouring states because there the state offers a more comfortable life than in the places where the people originally belonged. It is nice if Goan youngsters finish school and then go for higher studies. But I have friends whose graduate sons were working in a call centre in Mumbai. So what difference in going to Mumbai or to the Gulf? Time to look at such cases from an economic perspective and not from a nationalistic viewpoint. Goa is looted by politicians and this very fact could weigh heavily on those young Goans who want to work hard but the rewards are far less. A hardworking and honest Goan could be a loser in Goa in economic terms while the corrupt and the powerful make hay. Eugene Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Gilbert
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I belong to the Selma Carvalho fan club and read her posts with eagerness and delight. Shucks Gilbert, the cheque's in the mail :-) How's your weekend coming along? Take care, Selma It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Gilbert
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I too subscribe(d) to the Selma Carvalho fan club. Don't know if it's because she occasionally flatters me in public or because of a certain proximity in our understandings of politics. Anyway, I was very disappointed (and am seriously considering resigning from the said fan club) after she sought to evaluate the entire transportation priorities in India on the basis of nappie-changing facilities in Dabolim. Or rather, the lack of them. Her argument that we men don't change nappies anyway isn't enough to justify a what's-good-for-me-is-good-for-India approach. --FN On 04/03/07, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I belong to the Selma Carvalho fan club and read her posts with eagerness and delight. Shucks Gilbert, the cheque's in the mail :-) How's your weekend coming along? -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com What bloggers are saying about Goa: http://planet.goa-india.org/
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/to Eugene Cecil
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't read Cecil's column, but going by what Selma has said it is improper to malign the Gulf Goan -- Dear Eugene, I don't want to give the wrong impression that Cecil has maligned the Gulfie. In his capacity as a humorist he was caricaturing the uneducated man who goes to the Gulf and makes a lot of money but carries a chip on his shoulder. Although the caricature offends me, I do apologise to Cecil if I have given the impression that Cecil has done anything more than present a this caricature which unfortunately prevails in Goa. Selma Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/response to Cecil
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Well done Elisabeth ! While Cecil has established his reputation as a man of mirth and humor on Goanet.. denying any misdeed ,.you`ve pulled up the evidence from yore as you`ve described the archiving of GoaNet does not lie ! While average folk like us tend to make intemperate remarks in a moment of weakness... some more erudite persons happen to mention this in a column... frankly , i wonder if you`ll ever get an acknowledgement or or an apology from him ! twiga. - Original Message - From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie/response to Cecil * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think misquoting me on GoaNet is a good way to 'share a good laugh' please think twice next time. You are not only endangering my livelihood you are also putting a shadow on my relationships with friends and relatives. -- Dear Cecil, Luckily for me, this is the cyber-age and everything is recorded somewhere in the annals of history. Also luckily for me, I have a razor sharp memory and I'm not in the habit of pulling things out of thin air. In your December article, Decks the Halls with Sticks and Folli, this is what you wrote: - Godfrey Gonsalves, passed the decorated Sequeira and Almeida residences and stopped at Bar Manuel nearby for a drink, and to find out why the whole area was lit up well in advance of Christmas. Godfrey queried the barman Edwin D'Souza who decided to pull the Moidekar's leg and told him that it was a sign of good education. The well educated always put out their decorations early, like in the West. Now our Moidekar Godfrey was quite wealthy, having worked in the Gulf for a good thirty years and having built his regulation RCC bungalow bang on the road in Moira. But Godfrey always carried a chip on his shoulder because of his lack of education. He had just managed to scrape through his SSC exam and then studied AC Refrigeration at a private ITI before finally getting a lucky break in Bahrain. Godfrey wanted to show that he was as educated as the others so he promptly went home and told his sons and daughters-in-law to put out the Christmas décor. --- Poor Godfrey Gonsalves, the hapless soul who just managed to scrape through his SSC exam. Obviously, all that wealth he acquired in the Gulf, didn't earn him any respect back in Goa, constantly having to carry his back of chips and having to prove himself with Christmas decorations. No need to come back with an apology or a threat, One you're unacquainted with and the other comes too easily to you. By the way, I don't crave as much attention as you give me credit for. You see, unlike you my ego is resilient, not boundless. Selma Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
[Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I guess I belong to the Selma Carvalho fan club and read her posts with eagerness and delight. I open her post with the expectant What now? With her great penmanship, she outlines the problem and provides a laser-sharp solution to it. On the rare occasion when she slips, she is very gracious in apologizing and moving on. That is something we all can learn. This as opposed to others who write posts that are false, derogatory, demeaning or demagoguery. When the faux pas is exposed, the author defends it; calling it satire, caricature or humor and then try to credit themselves once again. That's when I say, Saibha Bogos. True humor is self-deprecating comedy. And not a cheap shot at someone else or at their expense. Dusreacheo khoddi kaddta to apnnancher kirodd apoita. (One who criticizes others, invites wrath upon himself.) OK! A cheap shot at the mother-in-law or former spouse is still permitted.:=)) Kind Regards, GL - Selma Carvalho wrote: I don't want to give the wrong impression that Cecil has maligned the Gulfie. In his capacity as a humorist he was caricaturing the uneducated man who goes to the Gulf and makes a lot of money but carries a chip on his shoulder. Although the caricature offends me, .
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Well said! Reena Carvalho wrote: I've just about had it with the constant maligning of the so-called Gulfie.
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I haven't read Cecil's column, but going by what Selma has said it is improper to malign the Gulf Goan or, for that matter, anyone working in the Gulf. Like many communities such as Sri Lankan, Phillipons, Russians, British, they all work here for a reason -- economic fulfillment. Same is the case with Indians and Goans in Canada. Many work there in low-paying jobs and many gave up good jobs in India to settle in their new adopted land. I know of cases where a Phillipino who did nothing in Goa is now earning dirhams 1500 as a maid in a very good house as I know the family -- an Egyptian bank executie and an Englishman husband and no children. They have given her a separate room with TV and also a mobile. She does not cook. Besides there is a gardener and a driver. I can say the maid is doing well when one considers that many graduates working in offices earning between 2500 to 3500 dirhams. At least half that salary goes for rooming, food and travel (unless company provides transport). Now this employer is looking for a new maid because the maid complained that the driver touched her. The driver said the maid came sat close to him. The employer also wants a new driver. She says she cannot handle such things. She would prefer a husband-wife team. Nowadays lot of graduates are in the Middle East. Lot of journalists from Goa who have come for better salaries. So what's wrong with that? Was the tarvotti a much-maligned person? Now many young goans want to go on cruise ships so that they can earn lot of money. I have said before that unless Goa has an employment policy for the new graduates and also for those who have not much of education, the beeline for Goa will continue. I met diplomats in Canada who have settled there after retirement. I asked one why and he was struggling for an answe. Let's not deride those who left Goa. I don't know whether to praise those who have stayed in Goa or not. eugene Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
[Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie - response for newbies
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I beg long-term GoaNetters to forgive me for repeating below what I have said so many times in so many ways. Selma so loves the sound of her own voice that she hears nothing else. She has to be forced to drink from the fountain of knowledge. You can take someone to the fountain but... --- Selma wrote: Luckily for me, this is the cyber-age and everything is recorded somewhere in the annals of history. Also luckily for me, I have a razor sharp memory and I'm not in the habit of pulling things out of thin air. Cecil wrote: I am truly impressed by your razor sharp memory. To recall verbatim so many paragraphs from my humour column must mean you are a dedicated fan of my writing. I myself have a bad memory and resort to Search + Copy + Paste. Unfortunately Selma the sharpness of your memory has probably been gained at the expense of the loss of another critical faculty - comprehension. I do not deny what I wrote. I also thank you for quoting the entire context. I will not repeat what I have told you earlier on this forum. But since your razor sharp memory seems rather selective, remember this. There are no holy cows where my humour writing goes. I will poke fun at everyone and everything including myself and my loved ones. Long back I had brought up the Gulfee / Shipee terminology query and had got brilliant and insightful resonses from Floriano, Melinda and many others. Here is the link: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2004-November/021138.html Fortunately you were not around here on GoaNet in 2004 and so the discussion was civil, and more importantly, on track and not led astray and made convoluted by your prejudices. If you follow the thread, and somehow manage to comprehend what is being discussed, you will see how far off the mark you are in trying to characterise me as a Gulfee baiter. The chip on your shoulder is of your own making, and nobody shares it. Closer to the present I am reproducing verbatim below my response to George Pinto in June of 2005. If this does not prove my admiration for the Gulfee I don't know what will. Quoting: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2005-June/030102.html [Goanet]Holiday offer --- George Pinto wrote: I think Cecil's Kashmir holiday request was in jest (is it safe to travel there now)? Cecil: Yes indeed George. I was just kidding with Mervyn. -- George: I know Eric is very serious in his offer. Cecil: I am aware of that. I have interacted with Eric before and am amazed at his kindness. - George: However, cybergoans have greatly benefited from Cecil's humour and it is only fitting we collectively thank him. We should share in the cost of Cecil's holiday to a place of his choosing in India. Cecil, tell us the total cost of a family holiday and I will chip in. Cecil: Thanks George. I know you mean it sincerely but your talent for fund raising can be utilised much better elsewhere and for a more deserving cause. If Cyber Goans have benefited from my humour writings then let me assure you that I enjoy writing them as much. And I have been amply repaid by the wonderful friends I have made and the feedback I have got. Let me share with you an e-mail sent to me by a female Cyber Goan (Gulf based and EXPRESSIONS' client) some three years back at Christmas time. I am not mentioning her location and Xing out her husband's name to conceal her identity. I have not edited anything else and am reproducing it verbatim (typos and all) below. - quote Dear Cecil and Beatrice Want to tell you how much X (my husband) and I have enjoyed reading your very clean humourous articles, depicting how observant you are of human behaviour. X has an extremely tight schedule at work, yet whenever I forward him your emails, he is thrilled at the site/thought that there is some laughter in store for him..only when he gets home, he prints your Emails to be read only at his tea and bo`bo` at 6:00pm. X has very stressful moments at work, but your humour has lighted him many times. I want to thank you in a special way this Christmas and Keep up the Good Humour!!! - unquote --- I have received similar e-mails from others but cannot reproduce them here without inadvertently revealing their identities. What better payment than that can I ask for George? If God has gifted me with a an ability to make people laugh for a while then have I not been
Re: [Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. We all know that stereotypes are hurtful even if you know you were not deliberately targeted. Its natural to take umbrage. Unfortunately there are few of us who have not stereotyped often unconsciously or unaware that someone may take offence. Helga Well said! Reena Carvalho wrote: I've just about had it with the constant maligning of the so-called Gulfie.
[Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've just about had it with the constant maligning of the so-called Gulfie. For those not familiar with this slur, it is in reference to that poor, hapless soul that makes his way to the Gulf to suffer unheard of heat and humidity and then return back to a Goa that obviously does not respect him. If it's not Cecil Pinto, writing in his columns that a 10th standard drop-out Gulfie tried to outdo his much sophisticated stayed-in-Goa neighbour at Christmas time, it's Sunith Velho telling us that Gulfies are only good for carry crates and setting up STD booths in Goa (let's hope for the sake of those Goans based in Goa, there is not pun on the abbreviation STD). Now, somewhere in all the hodge-podge, I read Gulfies, shippies and hippies in one sentence, written by the renowned Dr Carmo. Since when have Gulfies come to be equated with hahish-induced hallucinating hippies? I have to wonder why and when the Gulf-worker became the target of such contempt? Is it because he works hard, remits faithfully back to Goa, buffers the economy with his remittances, builds bungalows galore thus revving up the construction industry, invests in small businesses like STD booths, tourist hostels, Xerox services, video libraries, etc, buffs up the local market providing employment to a host of small service vendors, and generally keeps the economy buoyant. Goans have never appreciated the dignity of labour but to be so condescending of a worker who contributes so much to the well being of Goa is rich indeed. And the fact that most of this disdain comes from Goans who stay behind is telling of Goan mentality. selma Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
[Goanet] The much maligned Gulfie
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Selma Carvalho wrote: I've just about had it with the constant maligning of the so-called Gulfie. For those not familiar with this slur, it is in reference to that poor, hapless soul that makes his way to the Gulf to suffer unheard of heat and humidity and then return back to a Goa that obviously does not respect him. If it's not Cecil Pinto, writing in his columns that a 10th standard drop-out Gulfie tried to outdo his much sophisticated stayed-in-Goa neighbour at Christmas time, it's Sunith Velho telling us that Gulfies are only good for carry crates and setting up STD booths in Goa (let's hope for the sake of those Goans based in Goa, there is not pun on the abbreviation STD). - Dear Selma, I can only hope that what you have written above goes with your earlier statement I take Goanet for what it is. A cybercafe to pontificate and share a good laugh. I have time and again, on this and other forums stated my respect for the Gulfee and the Shipee. The former in fact, by far, provides me with a livelihood by using my flower delivery services. I also have very close friends and relatives employed in the Gulf. If you had the sense to browse through the archives, before making bombastic statements, you will have realised how I have constantly expressed my gratitude to, and respect for, the Gulfee. If you think misquoting me on GoaNet is a good way to 'share a good laugh' please think twice next time. You are not only endangering my livelihood you are also putting a shadow on my relationships with friends and relatives. Frivilous quotes, totally out of context, might get you the attention you crave but please bear in mind there can be serious repercussions that effect other people's lives and relationships. Considering your obvious naivety in these matters I stop short of demanding an apology, but I absolutely insist that in future you not quote me (within, or, out of context) in your postings. I have weeks back stopped responding to your (often illogical) arguments on this forum. I have neither the time, energies or inclination to indulge in your frivilous I-must-have-the-last-word games. You could respond by not dragging my name in to your postings. Unlike you I have a lot to lose in terms of credibility and friendships. Cheers! Cecil =
