Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:50:39 -0500 From: "J. Colaco < jc>" c: Should I just drink carrot juice every day and hope that nothing bad happens to me? Mario observes: The subject line reminded me of this. I wonder how many people are aware of this but a scientific study conducted recently showed that some 85% of people who died during the study period had eaten carrots during the previous 90 days. The authors of the study recommended that carrots be banned as a health hazard. The study is currently being peer reviewed and under serious consideration by Al Gore and Rajendra Pachauri for UN action now that the earth has taken a hiatus from global warming:-))
Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise
Dear Fr. Ivo da C.Souza, The best of wishes for 2010 to you and yours. I found your first post (directed at me) for 2010 very intriguing, and I thought that I'd respond to it. There are some bits with which I agree with you, some with which I have some queries, and I do have a question at the end - which might benefit from the proclaimed expertise. ICS[1] : Catholic priests and sisters may know much more than you about love, marriage and family problems... jc 1: I AGREE with you entirely, but only because, just about everyone I know - knows much more than I do about everything i.e. including love, marriage and family problems... == ICS[2] : marriage courses are given by priests throughout the country, as well as abroad. Young people are having excellent counsellors among Catholic priests and sisters. jc 2: I AGREE with you entirely. What I am not sure is the attendance. Is the attendance of these courses voluntary or is it mandatory for couples to attend these course IF they wish to get married in the church? Voluntary attendance would have given a possible clue as to how "excellent" these courses were/are. Would you disagree? == ICS[3] : Let the married person "sacrifice" his "girl-friend"... jc3: I do have a problem with that answer. But first, please allow me to restate my point (to which you made the above response) i.e. "I definitely would NOT know about a Married person having a girlfriend" I personally do not believe that women are pieces of furniture which can be discarded at will, or mere pieces of meat which can be 'sacrificed'. What if the woman was led to believe that the 'married man' was a bachelor" ... Just sacrifice her? My advice would have been simple, albeit naive: As per Konfewcius: Married man have only One girl-friend. Her name is wife.. == Now a problem for which I will pick your counseling brains: Maggie (22) is married to John(23), a traveling salesman. They have 1 child. One day, the doctor telephones John and tells him that he has HIV and TB. Maggie overhears this conversation via the telephone extension. Later that night, John goes to the "taverna" to drown his concerns and returns feeling very jolly. He takes Maggie into confidence and tells her that he would like to have another child. Maggie telephones Fr Ivo and asks: a: Should I use the condom? b: Should I take the chance without the condom? c: Should I just drink carrot juice every day and hope that nothing bad happens to me? You know Father, if I do not "give in to his demands", John will throw me out of the house - He has become very hard-headed over the past 4 months. If he throws me out, what will I do for food and shelter for me and my child? I have no job nothing! OK ...one problem is enough for today sincerely jc
Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" << family planning. How do you, Samir, know what truly is a 'married man's love for a girl friend'? ***Catholic priests and nuns are excellent marriage counsellors. You (Samirbab) wrote the following (and even asked a question): True love is characterized by commitment. If a married man has true love for his girl friend, he will divorce his wife and marry his girlfriend. It is unfortunate if you havent still figured this out, Jose. RESPONSE: Thank you Samirbab. Even Fr. Ivo would be proud of your answer. ***Of course, there are excellent marriage counselling centres run by Catholic priests and sisters throughout the world. I'd, however, say the following: Commitment is NOT a one-way street. I definitely would NOT know about a Married person having a girlfriend. Would you? ***Let the married person "sacrifice" his "girl-friend"... > What do you say? Do you realise WHY I would not seek advice on Marriage (or Girl Friends) from a RC priest...? ***You are totally wrong, marriage courses are given by priests throughout the country, as well as abroad. Young people are having excellent counsellors among Catholic priests and sisters. You may stick to your opinions! > I'd venture to say that both you and the RC priest know equally about Marriage, and that, my dear Samirbab - is not very much. ***You are totally wrong, Catholic priests and sisters may know much more than you about love, marriage and family problems... I am praying that both you and the RC priests can somehow modify that situation sometime soon (:-) ***There is not need... Regards. Fr.Ivo
Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise
My dear Samirbab, I am happy that you are happy with the responses to the following questions. Q1: Grateful if you would please elucidate why you believe that Rajan's attack on Oscar was 'below-the-belt' Q2: Grateful if you would please advise us what Oscar has done more than Rajan (besides Medicine) To me ...the answers are fluff. Accordingly, I believe (unless you provide better answers) that your attack on Rajanbab was totally unjustified. I will however, concentrate on the following question from me and your answer. Q 3: You are like a RC priest doing marriage counselling and advising family planning. How do you, Samir, know what truly is a 'married man's love for a girl friend'? You (Samirbab) wrote the following (and even asked a question): True love is characterized by commitment. If a married man has true love for his girl friend, he will divorce his wife and marry his girlfriend. It is unfortunate if you havent still figured this out, Jose. jc's RESPONSE: Thank you Samirbab. Even Fr. Ivo would be proud of your answer. I'd, however, say the following: a: Commitment is NOT a one-way street. a1: It is difficult to love a person (or entity) who/which comes in and takes over running your house and does things without even bothering to ask May I come in? Never mind which other person was living with me previously. The place did not legally belong to you You trespassed when you came in. a2: It is difficult to love a person (or entity) who/which comes in and destroys your furniture (or environment) a3: It is difficult to love a person (or entity) who/which comes in and just places his/her /its own people (some lesser qualified) to Lord over you. In-laws are fine but please do not come and treat my property as yours. It isn't yours. Comprende? a4: It is difficult to love a person (or entity) who/which comes in takes away more funds which you generate than it invests into the development/infrastructure of the relationship/house etc b: I definitely would NOT know about a Married person having a girlfriend. Would you? c: Relationships are built on Trust - not on brute force, thiefing and politics. What do you say? Do you realise WHY I would not seek advice on Marriage (or Girl Friends) from a RC priest or from you? I'd venture to say that both you and the RC priest know equally about Marriage, and that, my dear Samirbab - is not very much. I am praying that both you and the RC priests can somehow modify that situation sometime soon (:-) When you do that . I will return to this topic jc boot-licker et al
[Goanet] fool's paradise
Josebab writes: >RESPONSE (for the record) >re #1: Grateful if you would please elucidate why you believe that >Rajan's attack on Oscar was 'below-the-belt' Apart from the fact that Oscar is no more the GBA convenor, suppose GBA is indeed hands-in-gloves with the govt., and you are concerneed about solving a problem, the right approach is to go your own way and start your own GPA. In fact, GPA was I think already started with Remo, Norma, Hema etc joining in. Whatever happened to that ? If GPA had gone on the right path and GBA had faltered, the Goan people would have supported GPA. After all GBA does not have exclusivity over "saving Goa". Instead, continuous negative attacks without anything positive doesnt help anybody. >re #2: Grateful if you would please advise us what Oscar has done more >than Rajan (besides Medicine) Oscar unlike Rajan worked in a team called GBA. GBA's major achievement was scrapping the RP 2011. Besides, GBA has taken on biggies such as DLF --- see the recent ruling on stopping Dabolim hill cutting. Rajan is a baby in comparison --- taking on ghantis in Panjim is a cinch compared to taking on the biggies in a court. >re #3: You are like a RC priest doing marriage counselling and advising family planning. How do you, Samir, know what truly is a >'married man's love for a girl friend'? True love is characterized by commitment. If a married man has true love for his girl friend, he will divorce his wife and marry his girlfriend. It is unfortunate if you havent still figured this out, Jose. regards, Samir >jc
Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise
2010/1/10 Samir Kelekar : Josebab: Making a few points clear. [1] Rajan Parrikar's citizenship had to be exposed not out of venom, but his below-the-belt attack on Oscar Rebello was uncalled for. [2] Oscar has done much more than Rajan . and no one will deny it. [3] Rajan's love for Goa is that of a married man's love for a girl friend period. Rest all is baloney. == RESPONSE (for the record) re #1: Grateful if you would please elucidate why you believe that Rajan's attack on Oscar was 'below-the-belt' re #2: Grateful if you would please advise us what Oscar has done more than Rajan (besides Medicine) re #3: You are like a RC priest doing marriage counselling and advising family planning. How do you, Samir, know what truly is a 'married man's love for a girl friend'? jc
[Goanet] fool's paradise
Josebab: Making a few points clear. 1) I have to attend the summons of the Goa Assembly on the 22 nd of this month. The matter is still on going. Just that like many others, I dont post every small thing on the Internet here. 2) Rajan Parrikar's citizenship had to be exposed not out of venom, but his below-the-belt attack on Oscar Rebello was uncalled for. He could have talked to Oscar, or even continued with his GPA or whatever. No one prevented him from doing so. Oscar has done much more than Rajan (what has Rajan achieved other than putting some pics. and one PIL ?) and no one will deny it. 3) Where was Rajan's love for Goa when he discarded Indian citizenship ? Rajan's love for Goa is that of a married man's love for a girl friend period. Rest all is baloney. The bloke is an opportunist that is all. If he has the guts, he needs to change his citizenship to Indian period. 4) I have alredy thanked Goanettters for what they have done for me, and everyone knows it. 5) Finally, me being a citizen the politicians can at the most imprison me; they certainly cant deport me. Rajan on the other hand can be asked to "vos mar" the moment he becomes a nuisance. 6) Goa govt. listens when thousands of Indians come on the street. It needs to be seen what happens if thousands of OCIs come on the street. It is one thing thumping the keyboard from the safety of a foreign country and another coming on the street or even doing it from India. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Happy New Year Twenty-Ten --- Samir Kelekar wrote: The political class in Goa is a bit smarter than what thos one goanet think. It also shows the complete political naivete of NRGs. Any wonder then why Goan political class doesnt take NRGs seriously? == Comment: I will take it from the above Samir Kelekar quote that the "Goan political class" takes Goa Resident Goans (GRGs) seriously. AND: that the only reason Samir Kelekar has not been taken seriously, is because he is a Bangalore Resident Goan (BRG), hence not really a GRG. I stand corrected IF Samir Kelekar is a GRG and if the "Goan political class" have taken him seriously. I am reminded that the "Goan political class" may have taken Samir so seriously that they even invited him (not too long ago) to testify in the Goa Assembly.and they have not even bothered to invite Rajan Parrikar, perhaps because he is a CRG (California Resident Goan). I am also reminded that Samir Kelekar truly respects (and then perhaps disrespects) the NRGs. He certainly approached NRGs before his 'anticipated' testimony in the Goa Assembly. And to the best of my knowledge, the GRGs openly supported Samir Kelekar even by way of an advert in the Panjim Heraldo/ Herald. If I recollect accurately, a number of those who supported Samir in that advert were NOT Indian citizens. Did not hear a word in protest about that fact from Samir Kelekar - on that occasion ...or thereafter. What happened since then. The stock market suddenly devalued NRGs? or is Samir Kelekar just another "Kama Purta Mama" iow "Kam Zalem Voiz Mello" ? Needless to say I personally am getting the impression (and I hope I am wrong) that Samir is really losing it. Why else would he go this personally after Rajan Parrikar whose only interest appears to be the welfare of the Goa-environment and heritage. For his part, Rajan has done what he has done He has put his sweat, money and time where his mouth is. I am sure that Samir has done more than 'mouth'. Has he? After all - he is a proud citizen who has effected change in Goa; has he not? jc Abuse about being a 'boot-licker' etc accepted in advance PS: I have taken the liberty of modifying the subject line by REMOVING the name of Rajan Parrikar - another GoaNetter. Request (us all) that, despite our differences in opinion, we exercise some degree of moderation in the venom we exude. Can we not disagree without the venom?
