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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Rich

I used to hate it because  costs so darn much but goland is my ide. I dnt 
hate vs code, I've done vm and really like neovim nv chad, but at the end I 
just am more productive in goland. Even tried fleet but always come back to 
goland.for me the time saved is worth the price.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 8:01:48 PM UTC-4 Justin Israel wrote:

> I usually hate this question and threads, because it's a bunch of people 
> arguing that their solution is superior. 
> There are always individuals stating how all they need is VIM or a plain 
> text editor with no syntax highlighting. 
> And then those like myself that feel very productive from the Jetbrains 
> ecosystem because of its superior performance in large codebases and 
> exceptional refactoring tools. No one is going to convince me that I would 
> be more productive learning all the vim hot keys and doing it in a terminal 
> without touching the mouse. It's just not my jam. And I wouldn't try to 
> convince those developers to switch away from vim if they are happy. I 
> prefer the visual feedback that I get from Intellij when refactoring and 
> making really complicated changes. Typing is typing and everything can do 
> that well to some degree with a language plugin. But things like the way my 
> personal choice lays out unit testing and making it easy to retry subsets 
> and see everything I need to see at once works for me. 
> I just don't get the point of these threads that try to narrow in on the 
> "best" ide. 
>
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:17:35 AM UTC+12 Robert Engels wrote:
>
>> Reread what I wrote. Vim with autocomplete, etc is not a simple text 
>> editor with syntax coloring. 
>>
>> Still every major software engineering org in the world uses an ide (or 
>> multiple). I guess they don’t know what they are doing. 
>>
>> Btw, Googles current IDE is based on VSCode. 
>>
>> > On Aug 19, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Jan Mercl <0xj...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:06 PM Christian Stewart 
>> >  wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> Autocomplete and a go language server (gopls) add a ton of speed 
>> because you don't need to look up the docs for function and variable names. 
>> And go to definition improves speed navigating code significantly. 
>> > 
>> > - Using autocomplete and go-to-definiton does not require VSCode or 
>> > any other IDE. 
>> > - I do use autocomplete and go-to-definition. When I said I use no 
>> > IDE, that does not mean I don't use those features. 
>> > - The speed of typing/inputting code is overally a rather negligible 
>> > factor of the total time cost of developing/debugging and maintaining 
>> > any non-toy project. IOW, it's not a significant metric of 
>> > productivity. 
>> > 
>> >> But vim-go can do both, so why not just use it? 
>> > 
>> > Because I use govim? ;-) 
>> > 
>> > (But not for my large projects, gopls chokes on them still too often 
>> > to tolerate it.) 
>> > 
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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Justin Israel

I usually hate this question and threads, because it's a bunch of people 
arguing that their solution is superior. 
There are always individuals stating how all they need is VIM or a plain 
text editor with no syntax highlighting. 
And then those like myself that feel very productive from the Jetbrains 
ecosystem because of its superior performance in large codebases and 
exceptional refactoring tools. No one is going to convince me that I would 
be more productive learning all the vim hot keys and doing it in a terminal 
without touching the mouse. It's just not my jam. And I wouldn't try to 
convince those developers to switch away from vim if they are happy. I 
prefer the visual feedback that I get from Intellij when refactoring and 
making really complicated changes. Typing is typing and everything can do 
that well to some degree with a language plugin. But things like the way my 
personal choice lays out unit testing and making it easy to retry subsets 
and see everything I need to see at once works for me. 
I just don't get the point of these threads that try to narrow in on the 
"best" ide. 

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:17:35 AM UTC+12 Robert Engels wrote:

> Reread what I wrote. Vim with autocomplete, etc is not a simple text 
> editor with syntax coloring. 
>
> Still every major software engineering org in the world uses an ide (or 
> multiple). I guess they don’t know what they are doing. 
>
> Btw, Googles current IDE is based on VSCode. 
>
> > On Aug 19, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Jan Mercl <0xj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:06 PM Christian Stewart
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> Autocomplete and a go language server (gopls) add a ton of speed 
> because you don't need to look up the docs for function and variable names. 
> And go to definition improves speed navigating code significantly.
> > 
> > - Using autocomplete and go-to-definiton does not require VSCode or
> > any other IDE.
> > - I do use autocomplete and go-to-definition. When I said I use no
> > IDE, that does not mean I don't use those features.
> > - The speed of typing/inputting code is overally a rather negligible
> > factor of the total time cost of developing/debugging and maintaining
> > any non-toy project. IOW, it's not a significant metric of
> > productivity.
> > 
> >> But vim-go can do both, so why not just use it?
> > 
> > Because I use govim? ;-)
> > 
> > (But not for my large projects, gopls chokes on them still too often
> > to tolerate it.)
> > 
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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Robert Engels

Reread what I wrote. Vim with autocomplete, etc is not a simple text editor 
with syntax coloring. 

Still every major software engineering org in the world uses an ide (or 
multiple). I guess they don’t know what they are doing. 

Btw, Googles current IDE is based on VSCode. 

> On Aug 19, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Jan Mercl <0xj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:06 PM Christian Stewart
>  wrote:
> 
>> Autocomplete and a go language server (gopls) add a ton of speed because you 
>> don't need to look up the docs for function and variable names. And go to 
>> definition improves speed navigating code significantly.
> 
> - Using autocomplete and go-to-definiton does not require VSCode or
> any other IDE.
> - I do use autocomplete and go-to-definition. When I said I use no
> IDE, that does not mean I don't use those features.
> - The speed of typing/inputting code is overally a rather negligible
> factor of the total time cost of developing/debugging and maintaining
> any non-toy project. IOW, it's not a significant metric of
> productivity.
> 
>> But vim-go can do both, so why not just use it?
> 
> Because I use govim? ;-)
> 
> (But not for my large projects, gopls chokes on them still too often
> to tolerate it.)
> 
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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Jan Mercl

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:06 PM Christian Stewart
 wrote:

> Autocomplete and a go language server (gopls) add a ton of speed because you 
> don't need to look up the docs for function and variable names. And go to 
> definition improves speed navigating code significantly.

- Using autocomplete and go-to-definiton does not require VSCode or
any other IDE.
- I do use autocomplete and go-to-definition. When I said I use no
IDE, that does not mean I don't use those features.
- The speed of typing/inputting code is overally a rather negligible
factor of the total time cost of developing/debugging and maintaining
any non-toy project. IOW, it's not a significant metric of
productivity.

> But vim-go can do both, so why not just use it?

Because I use govim? ;-)

(But not for my large projects, gopls chokes on them still too often
to tolerate it.)

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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread 'Christian Stewart' via golang-nuts

Autocomplete and a go language server (gopls) add a ton of speed because
you don't need to look up the docs for function and variable names. And go
to definition improves speed navigating code significantly.

But vim-go can do both, so why not just use it?

It's a significant speed increase to have these features... Sure you can
work without them, but it's definitely slower, right? Looking at docs for
every function signature?


On Sat, Aug 19, 2023, 12:57 PM Jan Mercl <0xj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 9:42 PM Robert Engels 
> wrote:
>
> > I guarantee that two developers of equal competence - the one with a
> powerful IDE will outperform the other using a text editor with syntax
> highlighting (but come on that is a crutch a real developer doesn’t need)
> by 2-10x depending on the task.
>
> Guarantee. You keep saying that word, but ...
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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Jan Mercl

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 9:42 PM Robert Engels  wrote:

> I guarantee that two developers of equal competence - the one with a powerful 
> IDE will outperform the other using a text editor with syntax highlighting 
> (but come on that is a crutch a real developer doesn’t need) by 2-10x 
> depending on the task.

Guarantee. You keep saying that word, but ...

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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Robert Engels

I guarantee that two developers of equal competence - the one with a powerful 
IDE will outperform the other using a text editor with syntax highlighting (but 
come on that is a crutch a real developer doesn’t need) by 2-10x depending on 
the task. 

You simply cannot work on large complex systems without the assistance of an 
IDE. 

If anyone thinks their ability to code without using an ide makes them a better 
developer they are sadly mistaken. 

If you’re coding a 20 line leet code solution you can skip the ide - but that 
isn’t modern software engineering in any aspect. 

> On Aug 19, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Andrew Harris  wrote:
> 
> The kinds of skills and knowledge covered by https://missing.csail.mit.edu 
> are important and hard to gain from an IDE. I think that's the badge of 
> competence earned here.
> 
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:21:44 AM UTC-7 Robert Engels wrote:
> The power of IDEs is the ease of refactoring and integration with other build 
> tools (git, lint, github/gerrit). If you’d added all of these plugins to vim 
> - you’ve created your own ide - and it probably pales in comparison to a real 
> IDE.
> 
> Using plain vim as a badge of competence was disproven long ago.
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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Andrew Harris

The kinds of skills and knowledge covered by https://missing.csail.mit.edu 
are important and hard to gain from an IDE. I think that's the badge of 
competence earned here.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:21:44 AM UTC-7 Robert Engels wrote:

The power of IDEs is the ease of refactoring and integration with other 
build tools (git, lint, github/gerrit). If you’d added all of these plugins 
to vim - you’ve created your own ide - and it probably pales in comparison 
to a real IDE.

Using plain vim as a badge of competence was disproven long ago.

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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan

Just my opinion. I believe Visual Studio Code (VSC) is really good, given
that it is available on multiple platforms and it's free.

Thanks
Dharani

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 11:21 AM Robert Engels 
wrote:

> The power of IDEs is the ease of refactoring and integration with other
> build tools (git, lint, github/gerrit). If you’d added all of these plugins
> to vim - you’ve created your own ide - and it probably pales in comparison
> to a real IDE.
>
> Using plain vim as a badge of competence was disproven long ago.
>
> On Aug 19, 2023, at 1:10 PM, William Rehwinkel 
> wrote:
>
>  I use vim for go with the standard syntax highlighting and gofmt. With
> gofmt catching errors when I save, compiler errors and looking up things
> with godoc, I don't see the need for anything else. But that's just me
>
> On 8/19/23 05:27, alex-coder wrote:
>
> Hi All !
> Gophers, there is at least 10 years as GO on a market, Good job !
>
> I found a list of the best IDE and Plugins there:
> https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/IDEsAndTextEditorPlugins
>
> As I remember Java came around 1995 and within 3-4 years several companies
> developed really great IDEs successful or less to develop commercial
> project
> on Java. Here is a list of but I may miss somewhat, sorry,
> it was relatively a long time ago:
>
> Forte for Java ( Praga, Czech republic)
> VisualCafe (Symantec)
> VisuailAge (IBM)
> JBuilder (Borland)
> Together Control Center (TogetherSoft, Germany)
> Eclipse, and set of commercial IDE on a base on: RSA,RSD,WID and so on
> (IBM)
>
> appear later:
>
> VS Code ( Microsoft)
> IDEA (JetBrain)
>
> What I'm looking for is the ability to manage dependencies not only in
> code,
> but entirely in a project from requirements to deployment.
> The feature should be inbuild into IDE or at least it would be possible
> to write plugin to implement it.
>
> It is quite possible that I'm missing somewhat here.
> Gophers, may be there is another place where I should look for IDE for GO ?
>
> Thank you.
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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Robert Engels

The power of IDEs is the ease of refactoring and integration with other build tools (git, lint, github/gerrit). If you’d added all of these plugins to vim - you’ve created your own ide - and it probably pales in comparison to a real IDE.Using plain vim as a badge of competence was disproven long ago. On Aug 19, 2023, at 1:10 PM, William Rehwinkel wrote:

I use vim for go with the standard syntax
highlighting and gofmt. With gofmt catching errors when I save,
compiler errors and looking up things with godoc, I don't see the
need for anything else. But that's just me

On 8/19/23 05:27, alex-coder wrote:

Hi All !
Gophers, there is at least 10 years as GO on a market, Good job !

I found a list of the best IDE and Plugins there:
https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/IDEsAndTextEditorPlugins

As I remember Java came around 1995 and within 3-4 years several
companies
developed really great IDEs successful or less to develop
commercial project
on Java. Here is a list of but I may miss somewhat, sorry,
it was relatively a long time ago:

Forte for Java ( Praga, Czech republic)
VisualCafe (Symantec)
VisuailAge (IBM)
JBuilder (Borland)
Together Control Center (TogetherSoft, Germany)
Eclipse, and set of commercial IDE on a base on: RSA,RSD,WID and
so on (IBM)

appear later:

VS Code ( Microsoft)
IDEA (JetBrain)

What I'm looking for is the ability to manage dependencies not
only in code,
but entirely in a project from requirements to deployment.
The feature should be inbuild into IDE or at least it would be
possible
to write plugin to implement it.

It is quite possible that I'm missing somewhat here.
Gophers, may be there is another place where I should look for IDE
for GO ?

Thank you.
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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread William Rehwinkel

I use vim for go with the standard syntax highlighting and gofmt. With
gofmt catching errors when I save, compiler errors and looking up things
with godoc, I don't see the need for anything else. But that's just me

On 8/19/23 05:27, alex-coder wrote:

Hi All !
Gophers, there is at least 10 years as GO on a market, Good job !

I found a list of the best IDE and Plugins there:
https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/IDEsAndTextEditorPlugins

As I remember Java came around 1995 and within 3-4 years several
companies
developed really great IDEs successful or less to develop commercial
project

on Java. Here is a list of but I may miss somewhat, sorry,
it was relatively a long time ago:

appear later:

VS Code ( Microsoft)
IDEA (JetBrain)

What I'm looking for is the ability to manage dependencies not only in
code,

but entirely in a project from requirements to deployment.
The feature should be inbuild into IDE or at least it would be possible
to write plugin to implement it.

It is quite possible that I'm missing somewhat here.
Gophers, may be there is another place where I should look for IDE for
GO ?

Thank you.
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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Robert Engels

I would just have chatgpt write all your Go code. 

> On Aug 19, 2023, at 7:41 AM, peterGo  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:23:39 AM UTC-4 TheDiveO wrote:
> Nothing better than an IBM card puncher as my IDE!  
> 
>  I prefer a Teletype Model 33 ASR.
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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread peterGo

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 6:23:39 AM UTC-4 TheDiveO wrote:

Nothing better than an IBM card puncher as my IDE!  

 I prefer a Teletype Model 33 ASR.

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[go-nuts] Re: Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread TheDiveO

 Well, the title about something "best" is probably making most skip it. 
Best is highly subjective. Also your list seems to include IDEs that to my 
knowledge don't have Go support at all, but I might be mislead here.  I 
don't understand what seems to be yourreal question at the end,  do you 
want some graphics dependency management? What are you looking for?   
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:27:34 AM UTC+2 alex-coder wrote:

> Hi All !
> Gophers, there is at least 10 years as GO on a market, Good job !
>
> I found a list of the best IDE and Plugins there:
> https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/IDEsAndTextEditorPlugins
>
> As I remember Java came around 1995 and within 3-4 years several companies 
> developed really great IDEs successful or less to develop commercial 
> project 
> on Java. Here is a list of but I may miss somewhat, sorry, 
> it was relatively a long time ago:
>
> Forte for Java ( Praga, Czech republic)
> VisualCafe (Symantec)
> VisuailAge (IBM)
> JBuilder (Borland)
> Together Control Center (TogetherSoft, Germany)
> Eclipse, and set of commercial IDE on a base on: RSA,RSD,WID and so on 
> (IBM)
>
> appear later:
>
> VS Code ( Microsoft)
> IDEA (JetBrain)
>
> What I'm looking for is the ability to manage dependencies not only in 
> code, 
> but entirely in a project from requirements to deployment.
> The feature should be inbuild into IDE or at least it would be possible 
> to write plugin to implement it.
>
> It is quite possible that I'm missing somewhat here.
> Gophers, may be there is another place where I should look for IDE for GO ?
>
> Thank you.
>

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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread TheDiveO

Nothing better than an IBM card puncher as my IDE!  
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:38:33 AM UTC+2 Jan Mercl wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 11:27 AM alex-coder  wrote:
>
> > Gophers, may be there is another place where I should look for IDE for 
> GO ?
>
> Unix is my IDE and vim is its prophet.
>
> IME IDEs make programmers write low quality code while enjoying the
> illusion of being "more productive".
>

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Re: [go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread Jan Mercl

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 11:27 AM alex-coder  wrote:

> Gophers, may be there is another place where I should look for IDE for GO ?

Unix is my IDE and vim is its prophet.

IME IDEs make programmers write low quality code while enjoying the
illusion of being "more productive".

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[go-nuts] Best IDE for GO ?

2023-08-19 Thread alex-coder

Hi All !
Gophers, there is at least 10 years as GO on a market, Good job !

I found a list of the best IDE and Plugins there:
https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/IDEsAndTextEditorPlugins

As I remember Java came around 1995 and within 3-4 years several companies 
developed really great IDEs successful or less to develop commercial 
project 
on Java. Here is a list of but I may miss somewhat, sorry, 
it was relatively a long time ago:

Forte for Java ( Praga, Czech republic)
VisualCafe (Symantec)
VisuailAge (IBM)
JBuilder (Borland)
Together Control Center (TogetherSoft, Germany)
Eclipse, and set of commercial IDE on a base on: RSA,RSD,WID and so on (IBM)

appear later:

VS Code ( Microsoft)
IDEA (JetBrain)

What I'm looking for is the ability to manage dependencies not only in 
code, 
but entirely in a project from requirements to deployment.
The feature should be inbuild into IDE or at least it would be possible 
to write plugin to implement it.

It is quite possible that I'm missing somewhat here.
Gophers, may be there is another place where I should look for IDE for GO ?

Thank you.

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