Re: Mailing of GTS Phone Book
It can also be easily saved to Microsoft Word. That's what I did. In a message dated 04/13/2000 11:26:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can save it in a variety of formats.
Re: Mailing of GTS Phone Book
save it in Excel 95 97 format. Some people have the older version of Excel and Apple users should be able to open as well and save. -- Dave Kelly Cash wrote: Kelly, I cant open the GTS directory file. Is it possible for anyone close to Pa. to print it out and send it to me. Get in touch and I'll send my address, Dave Currently it's in Excel 7 format. I can save it in a variety of formats. What can you read? Greg's recommended I put it in PDF format. (funny, you'd think he works for Adobe or something ;-) Apparently there's a converter that allows me 10 free conversions to PDF, but I see my having to do it more often than that, and I don't particularly want to shell out $100 for the full Adobe s/w. But I can save it in a variety of spreadsheet formats. One thing I recommend is Star Office- it's free, and can read write Microsloth Office formats. -K == Kelly CashMain: 408-727-5497 Solid Data Systems FAX: 408-727-5496 2945 Oakmead Village Court [EMAIL PROTECTED] Santa Clara, CA 95051 www.soliddata.com ==
Re: ABS cycles (lengthy and technical--delete if not interested)
Terry, What you have experienced from improper assembly does not make it a design feature. What you describe would be a feature, a sales feature, that, certainly would be worth mentioning, if it exisited. It would also stand to reason that if this were supposed to happen, Yamaha has a responsibility to disclose how to diagnose and repair the condition if it did not exist. The components you described are indeed in the system, granted, but, your conclusions are not supportted. I also understand Yamaha does not go into detail about operation to the finite degree, which is by design. Yamaha, in my opinion, is a conservative company, and is sensitive to customer safety, and their own liability. If they do not want critical complex components disassembled, they niether offer them avaible as individual pieces, or offer information on how to service or repair them. I am guessing this is a corporate decision not made with out the assistance of lawyers. Further, not everyone that is passionate about their motorcycle is qualified to work on it, and not everyone understands the difference between the two, esp the passionate unqualified ones. Some know their limtis, and wisely never cross them, others have been known to just jump right in. Certainly, I respect your experience and insight. However, my understanding of how and why a corporation does what it does and does not do, will not allow me to believe you have uncovered something such as this. I agree, further discussion can continue off list, I felt it important to respond to your explanation on list, for the benefit of those that are interested. RSRBOB
Moto Guzzi Acquisition!
Aprilia just bought Moto Guzzi! Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000
RE: Moto Guzzi Acquisition!
Are you questioning my viscosity?er veracity? The Aprilia website announced it http://aprilia.com and so did http://amasuperbike.com Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Loss, Joe [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Moto Guzzi Acquisition! What's your source, Kevin? Joe (also a Guzzi owner) -Original Message- From: Hawkins, Kevin L, SITS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Moto Guzzi Acquisition! Aprilia just bought Moto Guzzi! Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000
Re: ABS cycles (lengthy and technical--delete if not interested)
Terry, What you have experienced from improper assembly does not make it a design feature. What you describe would be a feature, a sales feature, that, certainly would be worth mentioning, if it exisited. =-=-=-=-=-=-= I don't necessarily see the real process of what happens as a "feature" as long as it happens. A good analogy is that not many people are the least bit concerned about the actual process of opening a fuel injector pintle that takes place over a couple of microseconds. In reality--the computer typically sends a larger current during initial opening to speed up the process and force the injector open, then the current is reduced to a lower level that will maintain the injector opening until the decision is made to close the injector. See http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM1949.html for a justification for this statement. To the common consumer, or even the most seasoned mechanic, it's a complete "don't care"--to the design engineer, it's a way to save power (heat) in the electronics, increasing reliability. Granted, I only came across the information on ABS cycling by coincidence, but I feel confident that I understand what I experienced. I'm sure that there is more, but I don't think Yamaha is going to share their software flow diagrams any time soon. Basically, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than you will EVER find in a shop manual. I think you actually concur with this, if I interpret your response correctly. A consumer or mechanic just doesn't need to know the gory details--they need to know that it works, and if it doesn't, how to diagnose it and replace the "block" with a new one that does. Certainly, I respect your experience and insight. However, my understanding of how and why a corporation does what it does and does not do, will not allow me to believe you have uncovered something such as this. I'm curious as to what exactly it is that I've uncovered that you find so puzzling--is it the pre-emptive "getting things ready" for ABS operation or something else?? I guess I just find your overall response somewhat confusing--like I've exposed something that just doesn't make sense, or that would put Yamaha in a position to have to defend themselves for the idiotic things they've done, or what. Please clarify. BTW--I enjoy the banter--the list has been too quiet lately and this thread is even GTS related (for the most part.) Terry Baker
RE: Moto Guzzi Acquisition! FLUFF
No, wasn't doubting you, just wanted to read more about it other than just "Aprilia just bought Moto Guzzi!" :-) -Original Message- From: Hawkins, Kevin L, SITS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Moto Guzzi Acquisition! Are you questioning my viscosity?er veracity? The Aprilia website announced it http://aprilia.com and so did http://amasuperbike.com Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Loss, Joe [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Moto Guzzi Acquisition! What's your source, Kevin? Joe (also a Guzzi owner) -Original Message- From: Hawkins, Kevin L, SITS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Moto Guzzi Acquisition! Aprilia just bought Moto Guzzi! Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000
Re:Moto Guzzi/Hawkins FLUFF
In a message dated 04/14/2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you questioning my viscosity? Okay, I've gotta question it: Kevin, just what is your viscosity? (Right now I'm about 200 weight.)
Side panels
I am in the market for a set of side panels for a 93 gts-1000. The red ones that run the length of the bike and form the rear tail section. Anyone got a pair or single to sell? Jason Cog #62
Re: ABS cycles (lengthy and technical--delete if not interested)
In a message dated 4/14/00 2:25:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for keeping us aware of Yamaha's perspectives. -K Thanks Kelly, however, in fairness to Yamaha, those were my observations, not theirs, which they would be happy to point out. RSRBOB
Re: ABS cycles (lengthy and technical--delete if not interested)
In a message dated 4/14/00 3:58:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't necessarily see the real process of what happens as a "feature" as long as it happens. SNIP Anything that can be sold as advanced, new or better technology is spun in the sales force as a feature. What you described would be tremendous in that department. If that feature occured as a result of other engineering, it is still touted as a feature. A good analogy is that not many people are the least bit concerned about the actual process of opening a fuel injector pintle that takes place over a couple of microseconds. In reality--the computer typically sends a larger current during initial opening to speed up the process and force the injector open, then the current is reduced to a lower level that will maintain the injector opening until the decision is made to close the injector. See http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM1949.html for a justification for this statement. To the common consumer, or even the most seasoned mechanic, it's a complete "don't care"--to the design engineer, it's a way to save power (heat) in the electronics, increasing reliability. SNIP I disagree with your analogy. You describe something that is imperceptible to the consumer in your analogy, however, in your ABS conclusion, it is noticable, and could be concieved as advantageous. Something so minute as varying voltages on individual injectors would be irrellevant to any one other than the designer, I presume, unless you can use a scope to diagnose a problem with them. What you described in your experience would be something someone could feel it doing or not doing, therefore, a consumer would be aware there is a problem, and, would expect a dealer to know that it does do it, and be able to fix it. That is the difference, to me. Granted, I only came across the information on ABS cycling by coincidence, but I feel confident that I understand what I experienced. SNIP I did not disagree you experienced what you described. I took exception to you finding something as significant as that, and being the first and only one to know about it. Not that it didnt happen, that it was supposed to happen, is where we differ. I'm sure that there is more, but I don't think Yamaha is going to share their software flow diagrams any time soon. Basically, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than you will EVER find in a shop manual. SNIP Correct, there is a very real thing called proprietary information. Look at any Yamaha graph of an ignition curve, two things you notice. First, there is no numbers to equate any discernable values to the curve, rendering it useless for anyone desiring to copy it or improve upon it, and second, there is a note saying the graph is only representative of the idea (loosely paraphrased) of the ingnition curve. Certainly, I respect your experience and insight. However, my understanding of how and why a corporation does what it does and does not do, will not allow me to believe you have uncovered something such as this. I'm curious as to what exactly it is that I've uncovered that you find so puzzling SNIP I am not puzzled by your findings. I do not feel what you found is inherent to the design. BTW--I enjoy the banter--the list has been too quiet lately and this thread is even GTS related (for the most part.) Terry Baker Agreed, we have their blood pumping again! RSRBOB
Re: ABS cycles (lengthy and technical--delete if not interested)
In a message dated 04/14/2000 7:21:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anything that can be sold as advanced, new or better technology is spun in the sales force as a feature. Lemme tell ya as a guy on the inside of sales brochure writing, that ain't so. Before it can be sold as a "feature" in the brochure, the write has to understand it. And I assure you there is not a single soul working or who has ever worked as a copy writer who would ever try to take Mr. Baker's excellent and lengthy explanation and turn it into ad copy. No way, no how. When saying something like, "It's got ABS so the wheels won't lock and you won't crash as much," already needs so many legal footnotes, that's gonna be it. If that. There's not a bike out there that doesn't have several hundred technically cool things that will never be found in a brochure, ad or even in a lengthy magazine article. If the ABS "guesses" the wheels might lock up in the way Terry described, that's interesting and impressive. It's not a feature, but a technical detail that I can't imagine Yamaha would describe in any literature that could ever find it's way to a dealership, much less a consumer. It would be buried in an internal engineering document and being at a dealership would never get you close to learning about such proprietary technical functions of a non-serviceable part. In a message dated 04/14/2000 7:21:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I took exception to you finding something as significant as that, and being the first and only one to know about it. He wasn't supposed to know about it, Bob and neither are you. (And in the overall scheme of things, I would take issue with it being that significant.) Just like we all weren't supposed to know our ABS systems were failing. And they still won't tell us why. Or how often. Or how many. And that's something they should be obligated to do. Of course, with Terry available to explain such technical details, maybe I'll go pitch Yamaha to do their GTS1000 advertising account. Oh yeah, they don't sell 'em any more. Never mind. -Jay
[Fwd: [Fwd: LDRider: Rumors.GTS comeback?]
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --D98D98BCA7DF2BF8DA54B525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was forwarded to me from a contact on the LD riders list. Somewhat dated (last fall), but always fun to speculate. click on the link and go down to the Yamaha section. -- Dave Biasotti // Fremont, CA Dir of Procurement, LSI Logic Corp 93 GTS-1000 // 83 Honda CX650Turbo --D98D98BCA7DF2BF8DA54B525 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from h7.mail.home.com ([24.0.95.42]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:06:08 -0700 Received: from mx6-rwc.mail.home.com (mx6-rwc.mail.home.com [24.0.95.35]) by h7.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA03818 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spdmraac.compuserve.com (ds-img-rel-3.compuserve.com [149.174.206.154]) by mx6-rwc.mail.home.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00635 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id OAA15277 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from compuserve.com (sfr-tgn-sff-vty92.as.wcom.net [216.192.8.92]) by spdmraac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA15236 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:05:58 -0700 From: Alan Barbic [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Biasotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: LDRider: Rumors...:)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="E3847C0A4ACA47B45DB731F8" X-Mozilla-Status2: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --E3847C0A4ACA47B45DB731F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --E3847C0A4ACA47B45DB731F8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from yucca.anv.net (yucca.anv.net [207.168.92.4]) by sphmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id MAA14863; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28711 for ldrider-outgoing; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandia.aug.com (sandia.aug.com [205.216.79.3]) by yucca.anv.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28701 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.14.183.224] (cvx0-r23.aug.com [209.27.71.151]) by sandia.aug.com (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21443; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: f04310103b51cf6bb8d83@[208.14.183.224] Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:33:43 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Laurenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LDRider: Rumors...:) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: John Laurenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mozilla-Status2: Now I know why the Yamaha rep at the Daytona Booth said the new touring bike was going to be heavy. It didn't figure a touring version of the R1 would be heavy. The R1 engine in a lightened up GTS sounds interesting. you heard it hear first:) Canadian Motorcycle Guide Online http://www.cmgonline.com/CMG99/articles/regulars/cmgnews/cmgnews990802/cmgnews990802.html "Yamaha - There's a vicious rumour going around that Yamaha might re-launch their floppy GTS1000. Remember the GTS? Bit of a radical bike with it's Omega frame and hub centre steered front end. Unfortunately, the technology came at too high a price and no-one bought it. Another case of a good idea gone bad. Anyway, they might (and I think they should, if they can get the price right) reintroduce it. That's all I know." hawke --E3847C0A4ACA47B45DB731F8-- --D98D98BCA7DF2BF8DA54B525--
