Re: service manual
Considering the extremely small market for GTS service manuals, I hardly think it will kill Yamaha if the thing is posted on the web in .pdf format as the microfiche is for the benefit of the owner who needs to occasionally look at it. It not like its a Metallica song that has a market potential in the millions. Yeah yeah, I know, its the principle of the thing. To hell with principles, I say Acrobat the damn thing and quit whining like goody two shoes out to save the snail darter :) On 7 Jun 2000, at 11:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice to hear the reminder that the manual (and microfiche) are copyrighted. AFAIK, the manual is still available from Yamaha (even if there's blah blah blah
Re: service manual
Well said. I am the proud owner of a legally purchased service manual and I'd like to purchase one of your .pdf copies when available. Hugh On 7 Jun 2000, at 14:08, Louis Tweed wrote: I have bought it. I also want a copy on my computer where I can easily cross reference. Since I have purchased the manual I think I have a certain right to make a .pdf file for my own use. Even though Greg and I have been working on getting the GTS manual on computer and in a .pdf file I don't believe we have ever said anything about distributing it. I don't have a problem distributing it to others who have purchased a Yamaha manual, that being said I am not doing the computer work on this, Greg is and if it costs him to put the file on a disk I have no problem selling the disk to recoup costs. I don't think anyone is trying to make a living on this. Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your message dated: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:03:48 EDT, your pithy ruminations on RE: service manual were: = I want to remind us all that Yamaha's service manual is copywrited 1993. We = can't legally make copies of it, or even portions of it, without their prior = written permission. I suggest that we start with them and see if they'd be = willing to allow us to do it, though I would doubt it, since they'd no = longer be able to sell the book. On the other hand, perhaps they'd be = willing to create said PDF file and place it on a CD and sell THAT. = = Regards, = = Henry S. Winokur = 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor = West Bethesda, MD Thank you! It's nice to hear the reminder that the manual (and microfiche) are copyrighted. AFAIK, the manual is still available from Yamaha (even if there's some back order delay), and it's not too outrageously expensive. Instead of people endlessly discussing how to copy the thing, why not just buy it? Mark =
Re: service manual
Here, herewell said! Grant Gall Hugh Hamilton wrote: Considering the extremely small market for GTS service manuals, I hardly think it will kill Yamaha if the thing is posted on the web in .pdf format as the microfiche is for the benefit of the owner who needs to occasionally look at it. It not like its a Metallica song that has a market potential in the millions. Yeah yeah, I know, its the principle of the thing. To hell with principles, I say Acrobat the damn thing and quit whining like goody two shoes out to save the snail darter :) On 7 Jun 2000, at 11:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice to hear the reminder that the manual (and microfiche) are copyrighted. AFAIK, the manual is still available from Yamaha (even if there's blah blah blah
looking for Kelly Cash
Sorry to the rest of the list--Kelly, I lost your current e-mail address, please reply to me off list. Thanks. Phil
IoM TT Fluff
Hey all, Speedvision has been covering the Isle of Man TT this week, next coverage is Friday I believe, catch it if you can, it's very well done. Gez..if Joey can do it at this age why can't I??? Phil
Re: service manual
I'm interested MB - Original Message - From: Louis Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:08 PM Subject: Re: service manual I have bought it. I also want a copy on my computer where I can easily cross reference. Since I have purchased the manual I think I have a certain right to make a .pdf file for my own use. Even though Greg and I have been working on getting the GTS manual on computer and in a .pdf file I don't believe we have ever said anything about distributing it. I don't have a problem distributing it to others who have purchased a Yamaha manual, that being said I am not doing the computer work on this, Greg is and if it costs him to put the file on a disk I have no problem selling the disk to recoup costs. I don't think anyone is trying to make a living on this. Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your message dated: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:03:48 EDT, your pithy ruminations on RE: service manual were: = I want to remind us all that Yamaha's service manual is copywrited 1993. We = can't legally make copies of it, or even portions of it, without their prior = written permission. I suggest that we start with them and see if they'd be = willing to allow us to do it, though I would doubt it, since they'd no = longer be able to sell the book. On the other hand, perhaps they'd be = willing to create said PDF file and place it on a CD and sell THAT. = = Regards, = = Henry S. Winokur = 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor = West Bethesda, MD Thank you! It's nice to hear the reminder that the manual (and microfiche) are copyrighted. AFAIK, the manual is still available from Yamaha (even if there's some back order delay), and it's not too outrageously expensive. Instead of people endlessly discussing how to copy the thing, why not just buy it? Mark =
Re: service manual
which site has the microfiche?? MB - Original Message - From: Lanouette, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:00 PM Subject: RE: service manual Guys, it's always the same argument every time. If you don't agree with that just don't look at it ! I am sure everybody is happy to be able to check the microfiche in the internet. Just yesterday I was ordering parts from my dealer. I just open my browser, did a couple of click and I was able to give him the exact part number. Same thing if you are on the road. A digital version make it portable and accessible. I don't see myself carrying the hardcopy with me. Richard BTW I think it's Copyright, not copywrite -Original Message- From: Henry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: service manual I have bought it. I also want a copy on my computer where I can easily cross reference. Since I have purchased the manual I think I have a certain right to make a .pdf file for my own use. Even though Greg and I have And therein lies the rub..."for my own use." What Hugh and I had been discussing was making the manual into a PDF file for distribution. I suppose that technically, copying the manual for your OWN use is no worse than copying a music CD or tape for your own use, but to talk about distributing it... well to me, that's a clear violation of the copywrite law. If Yamaha wants to give its blessing to such a project, in written form, signed off by the president of the company, then I don't see a problem. I see a big problem, legally, if they won't, which is what I expect of them. And that's not because Yamaha is a bad company, its just that they have the copywrite and that manual is theirs to do, or not do, with as they see fit. Henry been working on getting the GTS manual on computer and in a .pdf file I don't believe we have ever said anything about distributing it. I don't have a problem distributing it to others who have purchased a Yamaha manual, that being said I am not doing the computer work on this, Greg is and if it costs him to put the file on a disk I have no problem selling the disk to recoup costs. I don't think anyone is trying to make a living on this. Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your message dated: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:03:48 EDT, your pithy ruminations on RE: service manual were: = I want to remind us all that Yamaha's service manual is copywrited 1993. We = can't legally make copies of it, or even portions of it, without their prior = written permission. I suggest that we start with them and see if they'd be = willing to allow us to do it, though I would doubt it, since they'd no = longer be able to sell the book. On the other hand, perhaps they'd be = willing to create said PDF file and place it on a CD and sell THAT. = = Regards, = = Henry S. Winokur = 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor = West Bethesda, MD Thank you! It's nice to hear the reminder that the manual (and microfiche) are copyrighted. AFAIK, the manual is still available from Yamaha (even if there's some back order delay), and it's not too outrageously expensive. Instead of people endlessly discussing how to copy the thing, why not just buy it? Mark =
service manual......
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Toronto this weekend
I'll be travelling through Toronto this Saturday (spending the night). If any GTSers are interested in hooking up, let me know and we'll try to make it happen. Steve Confidential e-mail for addressee only
Flame Warriors - fluff
Here's a funny site with sketches and descriptions of the types of people who post to lists. Find yourself and your friends, then make sure you tell them which one they are. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html Fred Grefe
FICHE (was RE: service manual)
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/4904/PAGES/mfindex.htm With only the Reply history that is required and the correct subject line. Hey, I am getting good at this. =) Oh and A BIG "THANK YOU" to Richard Lanouette for having the Fiche online. I had to strip my bike of all of it plastic covers when I found a screw that did not look right. I found that many parts were damaged and missing by the last shop to work on my bike. And I needed part numbers to find replacements. Enjoy, Garrett Welch Happiness is the journey, not the destination. AMA#500406ICQ# 1730192 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gtser.kendra.com -- From: Michel Bijl[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: service manual which site has the microfiche?? MB
Re: Toronto this weekend
No I won't be there, but if you are a hockey fan - Wayne Gretzky's Restaurant and the Hockey Hall Of Fame are a pretty cool places to visit. I'll steal a line from George P. Grant Gall trying to get those Americans fired up about hockey! Giuntoli, Steve wrote: I'll be travelling through Toronto this Saturday (spending the night). If any GTSers are interested in hooking up, let me know and we'll try to make it happen. Steve Confidential e-mail for addressee only
Re: Sprocket Alert
Congrats on the effort, still quite an accomplishment!--sorry about the BBG :(, You're bad for making us jealous of your tank...--any way you could post some digi pics of the mods or are they copyrighted by your mod guy? FL Kev --- Dave Biasotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was also in the same rally as Roger. snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
FW: GTS1000 motorbike map required
Guys, I asked the folks at KN if they plan to make a Power Commander II for the GTS1000. There reply is included below. I want one of these units, as even with all the tweaks that I have taken off this list, I still find that 1st and 2nd gear are a bugger between 3K and 4K rpm. Any more bright ideas? For those of you planning a trip to the IOM in 2001, I would love to join you if you have room for another GTS in your group. My reasons for this are simple 1) My family moved there in 1980. 2) Half off them still live there..including 4 of my 5 brothers. ( Be afraid.. they range from 18 to 4.5 yrs old) 3) I have taken the GTS round the circuit a couple of times, and it is just the best ride ever. When I first passed my bike test 2 years ago, I was introduced to one of the TT race marshals, and spent a frantic afternoon trying to catch him on his jetted VTR1000. (I was on my 1st bike, a Suzuki GSX600F, with about 2 months experience behind me). Anyone on this list in GB? I just got my insurance renewal notice at ?655.00 TPFT! This is through Carol-Nash. Any recommendations. Since my bike was imported specially into the UK several brokers won't touch it. And finally.. after only 5K miles my Chain ( cleaned and lubed after every ride) has developed tight and slack sections. How bad can this get before I need to change things, and is there a measurement I can do to check my chain, to find out exactly how bad things are. Also, can anyone recommend a brand of chain that might last me a bit longer. Regards,, David Evans 99 T GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Michael Belcher [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 2:11 AM To: David Evans Subject:Re:GTS1000 motorbike map required David, due to the low production of the GTS1000 we have no plans to produce a PCII for it. Regards. Subject: GTS1000 motorbike map required Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:34:21 +0100 From: David Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: unique To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Sirs, I am riding a Yamaha GTS1000 motorbike, which has a notoriously glitchy Engine Management System. Do you have any plans to create a new Map for your Power Commander II product to fit the GTS1000? Regards, David Evans
IoM 2001 (was Re: FW: GTS1000 motorbike map required)
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, David Evans wrote: For those of you planning a trip to the IOM in 2001, I would love to join you if you have room for another GTS in your group. My reasons for this are simple 1) My family moved there in 1980. 2) Half off them still live there..including 4 of my 5 brothers. ( Be afraid.. they range from 18 to 4.5 yrs old) 3) I have taken the GTS round the circuit a couple of times, and it is just the best ride ever. There are about half a dozen in my group making somewhat serious plans. We will likely have three from New Mexico, and two or three from Oregon. As for "another" GTSI plan to rent, not ship mine over. Would love to have the GTS for a Euro-tour, but think that for shorter time frames renting is so much more reasonable. And.uh...a Blackbird sounds fun anyway. :) You'd be welcome at any rate. Let me know off list if you're interested in being included in the planning. Phil P.S. Any other GTSs going to be there? ~
Re: FICHE (was RE: service manual)
--- "Welch, Garrett R" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/4904/PAGES/mfindex.htm With only the Reply history that is required and the correct subject line. Hey, I am getting good at this. =) Oh and A BIG "THANK YOU" to Richard Lanouette for having the Fiche online. I had to strip my bike of all of it plastic covers when I found a screw that did not look right. I found that many parts were damaged and missing by the last shop to work on my bike. And I needed part numbers to find replacements. Enjoy, Garrett Welch Happiness is the journey, not the destination. AMA#500406ICQ# 1730192 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gtser.kendra.com You too?! I've found (didn't find?) several missing fasteners, ripped/wadded up and stuffed in the frame rubber skirts, not to mention a missing oil tube in the cam gallery after being serviced by shops in my area. 'Course I didn't really discover the missing oil tube, it just spit a valve and the next shop discovered that... But that's all in the past now, almost like a dream The moral is--choose wisely and question aggressively!! FL Kev __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
Re: FW: GTS1000 motorbike map required
--- David Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I asked the folks at KN if they plan to make a Power Commander II for the GTS1000. There reply is included below. I want one of these units, as even with all the tweaks that I have taken off this list, I still find that 1st and 2nd gear are a bugger between 3K and 4K rpm. Any more bright ideas? Only the careful following of the synch procedure along with a tune up with Oxygen analyzer. Some have had good luck with the 1:00 o'clock setting on the pots but mine was smoother with the careful tune (done by one of the shops I bitch about all the time--they do some good work, just not enough of it!) For those of you planning a trip to the IOM in 2001, snip stuff I can't help with And finally.. after only 5K miles my Chain ( cleaned and lubed after every ride) has developed tight and slack sections. How bad can this get before I need to change things, and is there a measurement I can do to check my chain, to find out exactly how bad things are. Also, can anyone recommend a brand of chain that might last me a bit longer. The stock chain is a monster--I suspect yours was defective from the start (or a bad sprocket) or you have an alignment problem, considering your maintenance. Check the sides of the sprockets--any unusual wear only on one side? Straight edge the tires or spin the back wheel and see if the chain seeks the center line of the sprocket. Regards,, David Evans 99 T GTS1000 snip bad news from KN--I just wish they could make an air filter for it... Good luck! FL Kev __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
