RE: oil usage
if you are only using 4 oz in 3000 miles then can you tell me the speed you are traveling at? If I stay at 65 or 70mph I hardly use any oil in any of may bikes. but in France you will get passed by old ladies and that is on the side streets. Mike Coan www.warmnsafe.com Home of the Heat-troller www.ttg-global.com Motorcycle Travel Site -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Crisler, Jon Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: oil usage This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F09.3305A816 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have used Amsoil 20w-50 since my GTS-1000 had 9k miles on it, previously using Mobil 1. It now has 26k miles. I burn about 4 ounces over 3000 miles, in other words my oil check window is about 2/3's low when I am due for an oil change. It has been that way since new, I was told by a bike mechanic I respect that some slight oil use is normal. I have a 94 Honda Civic with 103k miles that has NO perceptable oil burn, and has used Mobil 1 since new (I just got the car from my brother). I have an 85 Camaro with 150k miles that has no perceptable oil burn, having Mobil 1 since new and Amsoil since abuot 110k miles. Jon Crisler Oracle DBA, Unix Admin CORVIS Corporation --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F09.3305A816 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLEoil usage/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2I have used Amsoil 20w-50 since my GTS-1000 had 9k = miles on it, previously using Mobil 1.nbsp; It now has 26k = miles.nbsp; I burn about 4 ounces over 3000 miles, in other words my = oil check window is about 2/3's low when I am due for an oil = change.nbsp; It has been that way since new, I was told by a bike = mechanic I respect that some slight oil use is normal./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2I have a 94 Honda Civic with 103k miles that has NO = perceptable oil burn, and has used Mobil 1 since new (I just got the = car from my brother).nbsp; I have an 85 Camaro with 150k miles that = has no perceptable oil burn, having Mobil 1 since new and Amsoil since = abuot 110k miles./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2Jon Crisler/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Oracle DBA, Unix Admin/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2CORVIS Corporation /FONT /P /BODY /HTML --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F09.3305A816--
RE: oil usage
In my experience, the GTS burns quite a bit of oil at high speed (+150km/h)on the highway. This at longer trips with an hot engine of course. My dealer tells me that it's a typical Yamaha-problem, and that every Yamaha burns oil. Since my last oil-change, I use semi-synthetic oil, and it seems to me that this type of oil is better to (partly) solve the problem. Best greetings, karl -Original Message- From: Motorcycle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: vrijdag 6 oktober 2000 9:51 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: oil usage if you are only using 4 oz in 3000 miles then can you tell me the speed you are traveling at? If I stay at 65 or 70mph I hardly use any oil in any of may bikes. but in France you will get passed by old ladies and that is on the side streets. Mike Coan www.warmnsafe.com Home of the Heat-troller www.ttg-global.com Motorcycle Travel Site -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Crisler, Jon Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: oil usage This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F09.3305A816 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have used Amsoil 20w-50 since my GTS-1000 had 9k miles on it, previously using Mobil 1. It now has 26k miles. I burn about 4 ounces over 3000 miles, in other words my oil check window is about 2/3's low when I am due for an oil change. It has been that way since new, I was told by a bike mechanic I respect that some slight oil use is normal. I have a 94 Honda Civic with 103k miles that has NO perceptable oil burn, and has used Mobil 1 since new (I just got the car from my brother). I have an 85 Camaro with 150k miles that has no perceptable oil burn, having Mobil 1 since new and Amsoil since abuot 110k miles. Jon Crisler Oracle DBA, Unix Admin CORVIS Corporation --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F09.3305A816 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLEoil usage/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2I have used Amsoil 20w-50 since my GTS-1000 had 9k = miles on it, previously using Mobil 1.nbsp; It now has 26k = miles.nbsp; I burn about 4 ounces over 3000 miles, in other words my = oil check window is about 2/3's low when I am due for an oil = change.nbsp; It has been that way since new, I was told by a bike = mechanic I respect that some slight oil use is normal./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2I have a 94 Honda Civic with 103k miles that has NO = perceptable oil burn, and has used Mobil 1 since new (I just got the = car from my brother).nbsp; I have an 85 Camaro with 150k miles that = has no perceptable oil burn, having Mobil 1 since new and Amsoil since = abuot 110k miles./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2Jon Crisler/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Oracle DBA, Unix Admin/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2CORVIS Corporation /FONT /P /BODY /HTML --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F09.3305A816--
Re: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage
Not mine! Dry clutch - transmission has it's own oil and the engine oil sits in the right 1/2 of the gas tank (that is, the oil tank) "Hawkins, Kevin" wrote: Harley's have wet clutches that shear the engine the oil? Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Crisler, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:23 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage Amsoil has addressed this concern (mostly with Harley owners) by coming out with a Motorcycle oil in 10w-40 and 20w-50 that uses friction modifiers compatible with wet clutches. I suspect that this motorcycle oil is identical to the regular Hi-PO synth 10w-40 and 20w-50 that they have always said is ideal for wet-clutch motorcycles.
Re: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage
Yes, so does my Ducatti. :) Louis :) "Hawkins, Kevin" wrote: Harley's have wet clutches that shear the engine the oil? Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000
RE: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C02FA0.51D39A0E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From what I understand, there is something in synthetic API SH oils that Harley (the company) did not like. Also, some wet clutch motorcycles do not like some SG/SH and some synthetic oils, because the anti-wear agents and other additives cause additional clutch slippage.I think Harleys use wet clutches, but I am not sure, never owned one and all the guys I know that have Harleys do not understand bike mechanics at all. "You got a wet clutch on that ?" A: "Clutch ? what clutch ?" Here is a link with some info: http://www.syntheticlubes.com/moreform.html -Original Message- From: Hawkins, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage Harley's have wet clutches that shear the engine the oil? Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Crisler, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:23 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage Amsoil has addressed this concern (mostly with Harley owners) by coming out with a Motorcycle oil in 10w-40 and 20w-50 that uses friction modifiers compatible with wet clutches. I suspect that this motorcycle oil is identical to the regular Hi-PO synth 10w-40 and 20w-50 that they have always said is ideal for wet-clutch motorcycles. --_=_NextPart_001_01C02FA0.51D39A0E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLERE: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2From what I understand, there is something in = synthetic API SH oils that Harley (the company) did not like.nbsp; = Also, some wet clutch motorcycles do not like some SG/SH and some = synthetic oils, because the anti-wear agents and other additives cause = additional clutch slippage.nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I think Harleys use wet = clutches, but I am not sure, never owned one and all the guys I know = that have Harleys do not understand bike mechanics at all./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2quot;You got a wet clutch on that ?quot;nbsp; A: = quot;Clutch ? what clutch ?quot;/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2nbsp; Here is a link with some info:nbsp; A = HREF=3D"http://www.syntheticlubes.com/moreform.html" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.syntheticlubes.com/moreform.html/A/FONT= /P PFONT SIZE=3D2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2From: Hawkins, Kevin [A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FON= T BRFONT SIZE=3D2Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:19 AM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To: Multiple recipients of list/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=3D2Harley's have wet clutches that shear the engine the = oil?/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC /FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2A HREF=3D"http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy/A/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=3D2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2From: Crisler, Jon [A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FON= T BRFONT SIZE=3D2Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:23 AM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To: Multiple recipients of list/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Subject: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=3D2Amsoil has addressed this concern (mostly with/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Harley owners) by coming out with a Motorcycle oil = in 10w-40 and 20w-50 that/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2uses friction modifiers compatible with wet = clutches.nbsp; I suspect that this/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2motorcycle oil is identical to the regular Hi-PO = synth 10w-40 and 20w-50/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2that they have always said is ideal for wet-clutch = motorcycles./FONT /P /BODY /HTML --_=_NextPart_001_01C02FA0.51D39A0E--
RE: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C02FA1.7123BBC2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK OK OK !! I get the point, my post was badly written and misleading !! Wet Clutch, Dry Clutch, Bad Clutch !! Here is a like with some crap about Harley's objections to SG/SH/SJ oil http://www.syntheticlubes.com/moreform.html -Original Message- From: Louis Tweed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 9:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage Yes, so does my Ducatti. :) Louis :) "Hawkins, Kevin" wrote: Harley's have wet clutches that shear the engine the oil? Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 --_=_NextPart_001_01C02FA1.7123BBC2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLERE: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2OK OK OK !!nbsp; I get the point, my post was badly = written and misleading !!nbsp; Wet Clutch, Dry Clutch, Bad Clutch = !!nbsp;nbsp; Here is a like with some crap about Harley's objections = to SG/SH/SJ oil/FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2A = HREF=3D"http://www.syntheticlubes.com/moreform.html" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.syntheticlubes.com/moreform.html/A/FONT= /P PFONT SIZE=3D2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2From: Louis Tweed [A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FON= T BRFONT SIZE=3D2Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 9:45 AM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To: Multiple recipients of list/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=3D2Yes, so does my Ducatti.nbsp; :)/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Louis :)/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2quot;Hawkins, Kevinquot; wrote:/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Harley's have wet clutches that shear the engine = the oil?/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt;/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; A HREF=3D"http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy/A/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha = GTS1000/FONT /P /BODY /HTML --_=_NextPart_001_01C02FA1.7123BBC2--
RE: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C02FFE.A90AB9E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The guy I signed up with is Vic Sledzinski, in PA. I ran across his web site and signed up with him. I too only became a dealer to get the stuff at dealer prices. However, some people also buy from me. Not enough to make any money though, I just do it as a favor. Yes, I charge only the actual cost. -Original Message- From: Henry S. Winokur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage A couple of us on the list use the Series 2000 20w-50 (Henry Winkour, I also use AMSOIL in the GTS, as Jon has noted. However, my history with AMSOIL goes back to the mid 80s when I started using it in my 84 Saab900 Turbo. For that car, I used the AMSOIL 10w-40, and I also used the 75-90 gear oil. I believe the gear oil allowed me to get close to 140,000 miles off the gear box (a 5 speed manual) before having to have it rebuilt--normal service life using non- synthetics, according to my mechanics (a Saab/Volvo shop) is about 100K. I started using the AMSOIL when the car had about 20K on it. I finally got rid of it in 95 with 158K on the clock. When I purchased my Concours, I switched it over to AMSOIL 10w-40 as soon as I had the 600 mile service done. Never looked back. Never had an oil related problem, but now that I think about it, I never had any problems with the cam chain tensioner, either, which as Jason can attest too, was a problem in the early Connie engines. In fact, when I sold the bike a year ago this Thanksgiving, it still had the original cam chain tensioner in it, and there was no noise. I changed my oil less frequently than Jon...once a year as AMSOIL said to (or every 25K whichever is shorter). In the spring I would change the oil, change the filter, change the drive oils, lube the throttle cable, clean the oil filter (KN), change the brake/clutch fluids and other spring maintenance items and generally clean up the bike. The bike served me pretty faithfully for 12 years. As for the GTS, I have just switched (2 weeks ago) to AMSOIL Series 2000 20w-50. Since I tend to ride far less than most of you, I will continue to change the filter at the 6 month interval, but only change the oil once per year--unless I get in 25K miles (HIGHLY unlikely). Or unless there is some indication that I should change more frequently. Also it should be noted that the AMSOIL SDF 20 oil filter is about 1/2" longer than the Yamaha stock filter. I haven't tried it, but Chris Caputo says the AMSOIL SDF 36 filter will also fit and it is longer than the 20. I can say this regarding the Series 2000 oils: I run the 0w-30 in 2 Saabs (94 900 and a 95 9000 CS Light Pressure Turbo) and our 95 Windstar. One of the first things I noticed when I put the Series 2000 in is that my gas mileage on each of the vehicles went up by about 10-15%. Both the Windstar and the 9000 have used the AMSOIL since break-in was over. The 900 we purchased used, and I do not know what was in it prior to our acquisition of it. Like Jon, I also am a dealer, but mostly to be able to buy the stuff at cost. Say, Jon, who's your dealer? Regards, Henry S. Winokur 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD --_=_NextPart_001_01C02FFE.A90AB9E8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLERE: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2The guy I signed up with is Vic Sledzinski, in = PA.nbsp; I ran across his web site and signed up with him.nbsp; I too = only became a dealer to get the stuff at dealer prices.nbsp; However, = some people also buy from me.nbsp; Not enough to make any money = though, I just do it as a favor.nbsp; Yes, I charge only the actual = cost./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2From: Henry S. Winokur [A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:57 PM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To: Multiple recipients of list/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=3D2gt; A couple of us on the list use the Series 2000 = 20w-50 (Henry Winkour,/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2I also use AMSOIL in the GTS, as Jon has noted.nbsp; = However, my history with/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2AMSOIL goes back to the mid 80s when I started using = it in my 84 Saab900/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Turbo.nbsp;
RE: oil usage
I have used Amsoil 20w-50 since my GTS-1000 had 9k miles on it, previously using Mobil 1. It now has 26k miles. I burn about 4 ounces over 3000 miles, in other words my oil check window is about 2/3's low when I am due for an oil change. It has been that way since new, I was told by a bike mechanic I respect that some slight oil use is normal. Jon.. How often do you change your AMSOIL? I did what you recommended and changed to the Series 2000 20w-50, plus the SDF 20 oil filter (which is about 1/2" longer than the stock one). Regards, Henry S. Winokur 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD
RE: oil usage
Jon What is better about the series 2000 oil for cycles? --- "Henry S. Winokur" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon.. How often do you change your AMSOIL? I did what you recommended and changed to the Series 2000 20w-50, plus the SDF 20 oil filter (which is about 1/2" longer than the stock one). Regards, Henry S. Winokur 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
RE: oil usage
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F16.D40DF2A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I change my oil every 3000k miles. I had been using the standard Yamaha/NipponDenso filter, but just switched to the Amsoil SDF-13. I had a SDF-20 but needed it for my Honda Civic, and I was not sure it would fit perfectly, although I heard others had used it. I also did not have a removal wrench for the SDF-20 (cap style adapter), so it was a last minute choice to go with the SDF-13. Let me know if you have any fitment/removal problems with the SDF-20, I might use that next time. It is a bigger filter by at least 40% capacity. Since my GTS-1000 is my baby, I try to maintain it carefully, and do not stretch oil changes. When I use Amsoil in my cars/trucks/boats, I usually go 5000-7500 miles. My boat gets Amsoil Series 2000 20w-50 once a year or every 75-100 hours, depending on useage. Also, two interesting things: 1) I just put a dual-bypass filter on my Suburban. This has a regular filter like normal filters, and a special filter that will get particles below 1 micron, compared to the 20-40 micron range of full flow filters. 10% of the oil is diverted to the fine filter. You cannot run the entire amount of oil through the fine filter because it has much lower flow rates due to the media being used. 2) I caught a sample of the oil from my GTS-1000 and sent it off for oil analysis. It will be interesting to compare the results of the GTS to my boat, truck and cars. -Original Message- From: Henry S. Winokur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: oil usage I have used Amsoil 20w-50 since my GTS-1000 had 9k miles on it, previously using Mobil 1. It now has 26k miles. I burn about 4 ounces over 3000 miles, in other words my oil check window is about 2/3's low when I am due for an oil change. It has been that way since new, I was told by a bike mechanic I respect that some slight oil use is normal. Jon.. How often do you change your AMSOIL? I did what you recommended and changed to the Series 2000 20w-50, plus the SDF 20 oil filter (which is about 1/2" longer than the stock one). Regards, Henry S. Winokur 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F16.D40DF2A6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLERE: oil usage/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2I change my oil every 3000k miles.nbsp; I had been = using the standard Yamaha/NipponDenso filter, but just switched to the = Amsoil SDF-13.nbsp; I had a SDF-20 but needed it for my Honda Civic, = and I was not sure it would fit perfectly, although I heard others had = used it.nbsp; I also did not have a removal wrench for the SDF-20 (cap = style adapter), so it was a last minute choice to go with the = SDF-13.nbsp;nbsp; Let me know if you have any fitment/removal = problems with the SDF-20, I might use that next time.nbsp; It is a = bigger filter by at least 40% capacity./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2Since my GTS-1000 is my baby, I try to maintain it = carefully, and do not stretch oil changes.nbsp; When I use Amsoil in = my cars/trucks/boats, I usually go 5000-7500 miles.nbsp; My boat gets = Amsoil Series 2000 20w-50 once a year or every 75-100 hours, depending = on useage./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2nbsp;Also, two interesting things:nbsp; /FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D21) I just put a dual-bypass filter on my = Suburban.nbsp; This has a regular filter like normal filters, and a = special filter that will get particles below 1 micron, compared to the = 20-40 micron range of full flow filters.nbsp; 10% of the oil is = diverted to the fine filter.nbsp; You cannot run the entire amount of = oil through the fine filter because it has much lower flow rates due to = the media being used./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D22) I caught a sample of the oil from my GTS-1000 and = sent it off for oil analysis.nbsp; It will be interesting to compare = the results of the GTS to my boat, truck and cars./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2-Original Message-/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2From: Henry S. Winokur [A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:04 PM/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2To: Multiple recipients of list/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Subject: RE: oil usage/FONT /P BR PFONT SIZE=3D2gt; I have used Amsoil 20w-50 since my GTS-1000 had = 9k miles on it, previously/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2gt; using Mobil 1.nbsp
Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F1E.6726E320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I can tell you whats better about it, but sometimes better for normal gas engines is not so good for bikes. The Series 2000 stuff (in 0w-30 and 20w-50 only) has a very high quality base oil, with special anti-wear additives and shear stable additives. It has better long-term stability, dirt fighting ability, high flashpoint (which means reduced oil consumption). There is a Series 3000 in 5w-30 that has a slightly different additive package that makes it ideal for diesels, but is great for gas engines. The problem is the friction modifiers. Some people have complained about other synthetics that the friction modifiers sometimes used can give problems with wet clutches slipping and starters. The stuff is that slippery. I have not heard that problem with the Amsoil stuff on the GTS, but somebody had that problem with Mobil 1 on the GTS list, and had to change away from Mobil 1. Amsoil has addressed this concern (mostly with Harley owners) by coming out with a Motorcycle oil in 10w-40 and 20w-50 that uses friction modifiers compatible with wet clutches. I suspect that this motorcycle oil is identical to the regular Hi-PO synth 10w-40 and 20w-50 that they have always said is ideal for wet-clutch motorcycles. A couple of us on the list use the Series 2000 20w-50 (Henry Winkour, myself, another whose name escapes me). Others use the standard 10/40 and 20/50 (which is a great oil, the stats are better than Mobil 1). The problem is cost: The Series 2000 is about $7.95 retail. The Hi-Po Synth is about $5.50 a quart. Not sure about the Motorcycle oil. Now, keep in mind that I am biased on two counts: I have used synthetics since the early 80's (Mobil 1) and started using Amsoil about a 2 years ago. AND, I sell the stuff, but only to friends, and only those that want it. I am not allowed by Amsoil to sell for less than the suggested retail. I am also not allowed to speed on my GTS, and spit on the sidewalk :) I switched from dino juice on my Suburban to Amsoil 0w-30, and my gas mileage went from 12 to 14. Thats about a 15% improvement. There have been dyno tests were synth was compared to dino in different weights, this was published in Mustang World I think. In a very hot 351 V8, a 5w-30 Mobil 1 made 640 hp, where the dino 5w-30 made 615 hp, and the dino 20w-50 made 605 hp. It is a well known fact that lighter weight oils can give you back a few hp, but you may sacrifice some engine protection, which is why you want to go to a SYNTH light oil. For my GTS, I want engine protection and hp, which is why I use the 20w-50. Enough of my speachifying !!! -Original Message- From: Kevin Harrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: oil usage Jon What is better about the series 2000 oil for cycles? --- "Henry S. Winokur" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon.. How often do you change your AMSOIL? I did what you recommended and changed to the Series 2000 20w-50, plus the SDF 20 oil filter (which is about 1/2" longer than the stock one). Regards, Henry S. Winokur 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --_=_NextPart_001_01C02F1E.6726E320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLESynthetic Oil RE: oil usage/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2Well, I can tell you whats better about it, but = sometimes better for normal gas engines is not so good for = bikes./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2The Series 2000 stuff (in 0w-30 and 20w-50 only) has = a very high quality base oil, with special anti-wear additives and = shear stable additives.nbsp; It has better long-term stability, dirt = fighting ability, high flashpoint (which means reduced oil = consumption).nbsp;nbsp; There is a Series 3000 in 5w-30 that has a = slightly different additive package that makes it ideal for diesels, = but is great for gas engines./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2nbsp;The problem is the friction modifiers.nbsp; = Some people have complained about other synthetics that the friction = modifiers sometimes used can give problems with wet clutches slipping = and starters. The stuff is that slippery.nbsp; I have not heard that = problem with the Amsoil stuff on the GTS,
