Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores
I have yet to find a pattern (online or otherwise)
Folkwear has a choli pattern. Is this the wrong shape? It looks like the
ones the Indian women in Northern CA wear around town.
for a modern Choli that
I use a t-shirt for a choli. Not traditional, but some parts of my body
look better covered up, and a real choli doesn't do it...
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[h-cost] Costumes of 1898, England - more books?
O.K. I have the chance of a very large commission for costumes of c.1898. I already have a huge library, but wondered if there was anything era specific that anyone would care to recommend. I already have the following books on my shelves, along with many, many others, and I do not wish to spend money on anything unless it gives me information I don't already have. I do not want books on Victorian sewing techniques, as I will not be necessarily be copying these. Jean Hunnisett, 1880-1909 Janet Arnold 1860-1930 Cut of Women's Clothes Cut of Men's Clothes Several Shep reprints of tailoring in the late Victorian era, male and female Costume in Detail Corsets and Crinolines Kristina Harris (the book on late Victorian fashion) Harpers Bazaar Cunnington - Englishwoman's Clothing of the 19th century. Fashion through Fashion Plates Hand coloured fashion Plates (Vyvyan Holland) My own fashion plates Any suggestions? I am very specifically looking for fashion as worn in England. suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 520
Yes, it's just $12 - $15 for the whole weekend. It's great that they found a place that is so inexpensive! Wish I could go... kate - Original Message - From: Kahlara [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 520 This sounds interesting and fun! Is it really just $12 - $15 for the whole weekend - plus what ever extra fees might be incurred by a particular class? Of course, just getting there is the big expense these days, isn't it? Annette M Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:36:06 -0500 From: Catherine Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] KWCS Update I don't know if any of the autocrats are on this list but since I haven't seen this posted yet: The registration fee for KWC/RS has changed, prices have been lowered. Also, the feast has been canceled. Please check the website for updates: http://www.dunard.org/KnownWorldCostuming/Index.htm They also still have some openings for classes so if you have been thinking about volunteering, now would be a good time :). For the non-SCA folks; this is an SCA sponsored Costume Symposium here in the states in October. While it is an SCA event, anyone interested in costuming is welcome to attend. Catherine __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: KWCS Update
For the non-SCA folks; this is an SCA sponsored Costume Symposium here in the states in October. While it is an SCA event, anyone interested in costuming is welcome to attend. Is this a replacement for, or in addition to the local costume event normally held in February? Dawn The February event is local (this year was the 20th). The one in October is 'Known World' and travels around the country with a different group sponsoring it each year. I think the continued succes of our local event helped get it started. And yes, the registration fee is for the whole event. If you can get there, the site has some fairly inexpensive accomodations available (dorm rooms). Catherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores
Katheryne, Where are you located? Could you possible use a scanner at a local Kinko's or something? Does your library have a scanner? I'll look around at some thrift stores, sometimes I find treasures there! Maybe I can find a choli and dismantle it too! Thanks, Wendi Message: 12 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:36:10 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I purchased one of the cotton cholis and took it apart for a pattern. Too bad there isn't someone near me with a scanner who can take pics of the pieces and help graph them out. My choli seperated into 7 pieces - (2) fronts, (1) back, (2) sleeves, (2) front facing pieces Katheryne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS Update
Does anyone know when it next will be in the East Coast? I live in NJ and it was a choice of either Pennsic or KWCS.. (SIGH) maybe next year. Katheryne - Original Message - From: Catherine Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] The February event is local (this year was the 20th). The one in October is 'Known World' and travels around the country with a different group sponsoring it each year. I think the continued succes of our local event helped get it started. Catherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS Update
On 8/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know when it next will be in the East Coast? I live in NJ and it was a choice of either Pennsic or KWCS.. (SIGH) maybe next year. Katheryne I'd love to hear otherwise (so I can plan ;-) ), but I doubt the location for next year has been announced yet (perhaps not even decided at this point). Last year was in eastern Ohio, and I didn't hear about this year's location until after that was over. They may announce it one year ahead of time, at the end of the current event? All that is a long way to say that I don't know, and can't find _any_ information about a KWCS after this one. As to someone else's question, although the kingdom calendar doesn't extend that far into the future, Calontir Clothier's Symposium is expected to be held in the beginning of February as usual. Some local people are already starting to produce new outfits for the walk through history, so I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't happening. Catrijn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian fabric stores
In a message dated 8/11/2005 11:37:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have yet to find a pattern (online or otherwise) for a modern Choli Me too. I was looking at The Mahabharata and the cholis seem to be all rectangles...or nearlyno darts, shaping done at side seams or by a small diamond shaped gusset under the arm, which also helps shape the short sleeve. Everything is very tight. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores
In a message dated 8/12/2005 9:11:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a really long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping there was a simple step-by-step website out there. Check this out: _SAREE WORLD -- Sari, Saree, Sarees, saris, silk sarees (sari), kanchipuram sar_ (http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html) _http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html_ (http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costumes of 1898, England - more books?
Suzi, What a comprehensive list of references! The only thing I could think of adding is a web site that was given on this list: http://lafayette.150m.com/thumbscourt.html . I don't know why I saved it since I don't do early 20th century anything, but the images are lovely. Joan At 03:11 AM 8/12/2005, you wrote: O.K. I have the chance of a very large commission for costumes of c.1898. I already have a huge library, but wondered if there was anything era specific that anyone would care to recommend. I already have the following books on my shelves, along with many, many others, and I do not wish to spend money on anything unless it gives me information I don't already have. I do not want books on Victorian sewing techniques, as I will not be necessarily be copying these. Jean Hunnisett, 1880-1909 Janet Arnold 1860-1930 Cut of Women's Clothes Cut of Men's Clothes Several Shep reprints of tailoring in the late Victorian era, male and female Costume in Detail Corsets and Crinolines Kristina Harris (the book on late Victorian fashion) Harpers Bazaar Cunnington - Englishwoman's Clothing of the 19th century. Fashion through Fashion Plates Hand coloured fashion Plates (Vyvyan Holland) My own fashion plates Any suggestions? I am very specifically looking for fashion as worn in England. suzi ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costumes of 1898, England - more books?
At 15:51 12/08/2005, you wrote: Suzi, What a comprehensive list of references! The only thing I could think of adding is a web site that was given on this list: http://lafayette.150m.com/thumbscourt.html . I don't know why I saved it since I don't do early 20th century anything, but the images are lovely. Joan Thanks - I had forgotten that - I may have a military costume to produce, as long as it isn't a known regiment - and those military images are brilliant. The ladies though are a bit dressy, even for my customers - I only do gentry you understand!! O.K. I have the chance of a very large commission for costumes of c.1898. I already have a huge library, but wondered if there was anything era specific that anyone would care to recommend. I already have the following books on my shelves, along with many, many others, and I do not wish to spend money on anything unless it gives me information I don't already have. I do not want books on Victorian sewing techniques, as I will not be necessarily be copying these. Jean Hunnisett, 1880-1909 Janet Arnold 1860-1930 Cut of Women's Clothes Cut of Men's Clothes Several Shep reprints of tailoring in the late Victorian era, male and female Costume in Detail Corsets and Crinolines Kristina Harris (the book on late Victorian fashion) Harpers Bazaar Cunnington - Englishwoman's Clothing of the 19th century. Fashion through Fashion Plates Hand coloured fashion Plates (Vyvyan Holland) My own fashion plates Any suggestions? I am very specifically looking for fashion as worn in England. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: KWCS Update
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Catrijn vanden Westhende wrote: I'd love to hear otherwise (so I can plan ;-) ), but I doubt the location for next year has been announced yet (perhaps not even decided at this point). Last year was in eastern Ohio, and I didn't hear about this year's location until after that was over. They may announce it one year ahead of time, at the end of the current event? All that is a long way to say that I don't know, and can't find _any_ information about a KWCS after this one. You can sign up for information here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KWCostume_Symposium/ Till now this has been used to post notices of bids and sites. There have been only 8 messages in 2005, so it's not at all burdensome, though there was a lot more traffic early on from people going to the first KWCS in 2000 (setting up carpools and classes, etc.). The SCA has changed the bidding system for events of this type, so I don't know how that will affect planning, but this would be the place to find out. The latest message (just last week) points to instructions on bidding and notes that there is not yet a bid for 2006. The events have not always been at the same time of year; sometimes it's more than a year between them. It seems to be useful for a group to try combining it with another major symposium -- the Denver KWCS was combined with a rapier symposium and also a smaller dance event, which meant it attracted a large enough number of attendees to allow them to get a great conference hotel and facilities. I see that this year's is combined with a rattan symposium, which must have something to do with either weapons or fighting though I don't know which. I've been to two KWCS events (as a guest speaker) and had a ball both times. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores
Shalincraft is OK, I've bought from them. I got fast service and reasonable (though not spectacular) quality items. There are a lot of saris and cholis for sale on eBay. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Karen R Bergquist wrote: Here are some sites that I have book marked. I haven't dealt with any of them as I live in Chicago and there's a sizeable Indian/Pakistani population and a really good Indian shopping district. http://www.salwarkameezindia.com/ http://www.shalincraft-india.com/ http://www.homeindia.com/ ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: KWCS Update
As to someone else's question, although the kingdom calendar doesn't extend that far into the future, Calontir Clothier's Symposium is expected to be held in the beginning of February as usual. Some local people are already starting to produce new outfits for the walk through history, so I'd be extremely surprised if it wasn't happening. Catrijn . Yup, it is always on the first full weekend of February (says the originating autocrat :) ). We were a little worried about catching a snowstorm every year but have been pretty lucky. This last one was the 20th. Now watch, I just jinxed it for next year! Catherine/Liriel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores
The Folkwear choli pattern (which compares, by the way, quite favorably with cholis I have had made in India) includes step-by-step illustrated directions for wrapping two different styles of sari. If you really want to have some fun, you can get Chantal Boulanger's book Saris: An Illustrated Guide to the Indian Art of Draping. I ordered this a year or two ago on recommendation from somebody on this list--maybe that person still has the author's website, from which I ordered directly. Publisher is Shakti Press International, 33 Greyhound Rd., London W6 8NH, GB. The ISBN is 0-9661496-1-0. She includes a CD. The book provides a wonderful historical discussion of wrapped clothing and illustrations for many many regional, religious, and/or class variations on the sari. All have detailed illustrated directions. From this book I learned to wrap the Chettiyar dhoti, which my Ganesha wore in my recent production of A Perfect Ganesh. Indian audience members were delighted with what they considered the ultimate accurate detail, and in fact one woman said she came to the show because she saw the publicity picture and was impressed with Ganesha's dhoti. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 12, 2005 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores In a message dated 8/12/2005 9:11:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a really long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping there was a simple step-by-step website out there. Check this out: _SAREE WORLD -- Sari, Saree, Sarees, saris, silk sarees (sari), kanchipuram sar_ (http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html) _http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html_ (http://www.sareeworld.com/sari.html) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE:KWCS Update
From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...attendees to allow them to get a great conference hotel and facilities. I see that this year's is combined with a rattan symposium, which must have something to do with either weapons or fighting though I don't know which. Furniture making. Marc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Muslin at JoAnn Fabrics (not)
I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area. It could be that there's more people using the muslin where I am and the bolts aren't used up as quickly in Everett. Ill bet there is more of this muslin in some places six months from now, but in the SF area, it seems to be gone. And that's why I'm so lucky - there are at least 20 other stores where I can find muslin in a 20 minute driving area. LynnD On 8/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! I was at my local Joanne's (Everett, Washington USA) and they had *whole* bolts of the 90 and 120. Where are you located? (Sorry for the cross-post. I wanted everyone to know what I've found out in case it pertains to you.) SNIP MYSELF. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores
I should say, I just looked at Shalincraft and they have a lot more embroidered stoles than last time I looked, some of which are very tempting. Fran Lavolta Press wrote: Shalincraft is OK, I've bought from them. I got fast service and reasonable (though not spectacular) quality items. There are a lot of saris and cholis for sale on eBay. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Karen R Bergquist wrote: Here are some sites that I have book marked. I haven't dealt with any of them as I live in Chicago and there's a sizeable Indian/Pakistani population and a really good Indian shopping district. http://www.salwarkameezindia.com/ http://www.shalincraft-india.com/ http://www.homeindia.com/ ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores
Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a really
long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping there was a
simple
step-by-step website out there.
You don't need a pattern for a saree - it's six yards of fabric. Folkwear
has a pattern for a choli.
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Re: [h-cost] Re: Indian Fabric Stores
Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: Folkwear doesn't really have a pattern for a Sari, it is simply a really long rectangle? I'm such a visual person that I was hoping there was a simple step-by-step website out there. You don't need a pattern for a saree - it's six yards of fabric. Folkwear has a pattern for a choli. I'm big enough that I like 7 yards. liz young ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: KWCS Update
:-D The rattan schedule contains fighting classes. -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:01:53 -0500 From: Marc Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] RE:KWCS Update From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...attendees to allow them to get a great conference hotel and facilities. I see that this year's is combined with a rattan symposium, which must have something to do with either weapons or fighting though I don't know which. Furniture making. Marc __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Uses of Dupioni?
Kahlara wrote: Still ruminating on the wedding dress. I found a pretty dupioni that I thought would make a nice underdress. Late 14th cent. Opinions from the more experienced? (It will be a heat wave if it gets up to 70 F on the day of) I made my dress out of dupioni. It was a simple princess gown with a neckline drape. The only real problem I had with it was that the stuff I had frayed if I so much as looked at it so I had to finish every seam. I tested it and found that it shrunk, so I pre-washed it by simply soaking it and then ironing the heck out of it afterward. I'm glad I did. The sky opened up during the photo-taking session and I got soaked to the skin. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Uses of Dupioni?
In a message dated 8/12/2005 7:06:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so I had to finish every seam You don't anyway?? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: transcription, translation, and ... ?
Charlene Charette wrote: What it is called when you take a work and put into the same language but fix spellings, punctionation, etc. Eg, Shakespeare or Chaucer into modern English, Renaissance German into modern German, etc.? I thought there was another term for this, other than translation, but I'm drawing a blank. Not sure which word you're looking for, but here's the online thesaurus with a bunch of selections: http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=translation Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Uses of Dupioni?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so I had to finish every seam You don't anyway?? Nope, I'm lazy. If the fabric doesn't unravel by itself I leave it. I get tired of wearing it or garment is outmoded before it ever becomes a problem. And a lot of costumes, wedding dress included, I only wear once. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: transcription, translation, and ... ?
In a message dated 8/12/2005 9:58:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought there was another term for this, other than translation, but I'm drawing a blank. Not sure which word you're looking for, but here's the online thesaurus with a bunch of selections: http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=translation Either adaptation, or rendition from the above, sounds like what you are looking for. However, keep in mind that even a translation, or at least, a good one, requires a certain amount of skill beyond strict word-for-word rendering. For example, if an idiom is used, the good translator finds an idiom that has a similar meaning, but is not a strict translation. And thanks for the reference to the online thesaurus--a good site to know about. And reminds me, REALLY OT, of the (I think) Steve Wright question, What's another word for thesaurus? Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
