[h-cost] Re: arsenic - napoleon and fine ladies and Costumers in Edinburgh
Hello (I'm catching up!) the random information my brain retains pinged at both of these notes 1. One theory is that the wallpaper in Napoleon's home contained arsenic which was released (as a vapour) by the damp weather, hence arsenic in his hair sample. It didn't actually kill him but made lots of those around ill too. See: http://www.victorianweb.org/history/arsenic.html and numerous other sources. 2. Arsenic gave a fashionable pallor to the face, hence its application (along with lead) by elegant ladies. again http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/mb/rouge.html or http://www.vintageconnection.net/ModesInMakeup.htm Some have even suggested that Mozart died from over-enthusiastic application of face cream! Hello Nicole - I'm in Edinburgh and I love your site! What are you working on now? I'm knee deep in a recreation of Eowyn's green velvet gown for myself for a wedding this weekend (I'm at the toile stage: don't ask, it's a deadline/kamikaze thing). Not strictly historical but fun. Katherine S A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question Quoting Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thank you, now to see if I can find an online image somewhere as it doesn't sound like something that I have I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's tiny. http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg And of course, if would have helped if I'd uncluded the URL! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary QoS Inventory
Could this be Vasquine, varthingale? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Wanda Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: H-Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] Mary QoS Inventory I started looking at the Google print on-line. It's not in French (always), it's in Scots/English for much of it. Any idea what is being described here: Item ane doublett of blak veluot/ and the vaskene of the same. I've got that we have a black velvet doublett here, but what is a vaskene (long S by the way)? The next article down is: Item ane uther doublett of satin / with the skirt of the same. and is under the title The Quenis Movables (pg 17) Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey Never attribute to malice what can as easily be attributed to simple social ineptness ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Art Hysteria
On the same level is this site: http://www.sirbacon.org/toc.html Which claims that Sir Francis Bacon is Shakespeare and the illegitimate son of Queen Elizabeth suggesting this painting is of her pregnant: http://www.sirbacon.org/slides_html/sld006.htm Cheers, Danielle At 10:55 PM 3/17/2006, you wrote: Just for fun--here's an analysis of a copy of Holbein's sketch of Thomas More's Family: http://www.holbeinartworks.org/bfourstmandtpitt.htm Anyone who makes it all the way through gets a cookie! -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tangled garden
Sounds lovely. The subject line certainly conjured up wonderful images. Yep, Dharma is where I would start. I have had great success in combining colors to get something they don't have off the shelf. Keep us posted! Sg Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, Perhaps Dharma Trading have, i should have looked before asking! sorry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Ah, but remember that boys of this time period did not wear distinctive dress until they had been breached! Kathleen --- Original Message - From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question I have this one, and it looks like three girls, not the boy and two sisters described. I've found a couple of James I family paintings, but not this one, yet. alex I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's tiny. http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg And of course, if would have helped if I'd uncluded the URL! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. Susan === Quoting Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's tiny. http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Most of the paintings I've seen of boys in this time period they are wearing a high neck doublet, with skirts, not the scooped neck of these bodices, so I think these are girls, in matching dresses. Pretty little dresses too alex On 3/22/06, Lloyd Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but remember that boys of this time period did not wear distinctive dress until they had been breached! Kathleen --- Original Message - From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question I have this one, and it looks like three girls, not the boy and two sisters described. I've found a couple of James I family paintings, but not this one, yet. alex I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's tiny. http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg And of course, if would have helped if I'd uncluded the URL! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
At 13:10 22/03/2006, you wrote: Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620 The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) Alexandria, I can scan this for you if it would help? Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620 The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) Alexandria, I can scan this for you if it would help? Suzi Please, please please, thank you thank you thank you Sending it directly to me would be wonderful and I'll post it with the other photos I have in case anyone else is interested in seeing it. alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Nancy Millis-MacHaffie wrote: This will make you really nervous Robin. :D I keep waking up thinking 3 more days! Oh, gee. I hope I live up to expectations! Serious question: Are you going to bring any copies of your book(s) for sale? I don't sell the books (I have to pay for my own copies!). But I've arranged for my publisher to send a discount flyer for both Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 (the latter just coming off the press now) so that people at the lecture can order either if they like. I'll bring a copy of Vol. 1 to show around. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 280
I haven't yet established an SCA name and will be wearing modern garband will have my sometimes reticent, sometimes talk your ear off fiance in tow. Don't take it personally if he stands to one side and glowers. Annette M Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:27:13 -0800 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: this list And some of us will be in garb, while others won't. Stickers for the whole lot Good Plan. :-) Robin, we are so looking forward to your visit this weekend--it's all we've been talking about! :D Safe journeys, and see you soon. Arlys On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:01:54 -0600 (CST) Robin Netherton writes: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: I think we need to all wear a red H or something to identify the H-Costumers at the Lectures. Sounds like a lot of us will be there. I deputize you to bring some stickers or something for the h-cost people ;-) I have a class list, but it's all SCA names! So there are probably people on it that I know from h-cost, but I'm not making the connection. --Robin - Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Hi, I get a little confused now. The cover book picture, shows 3 girls. First girl carries grapes in her right hand, second girl has pears and the little girl a doll. Bjarne The picture asked for was inside, and only in black and white. - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question At 13:10 22/03/2006, you wrote: Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620 The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) Alexandria, I can scan this for you if it would help? Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
At 16:16 22/03/2006, you wrote: Hi, I get a little confused now. The cover book picture, shows 3 girls. First girl carries grapes in her right hand, second girl has pears and the little girl a doll. Bjarne The picture asked for was inside, and only in black and white. That is the description you gave, but someone posted the picture on the cover. I was simply clarifying the situation, and Alexandria now has a copy of the picture inside, which is the one you described in the first place. Suzi At 13:10 22/03/2006, you wrote: Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620 The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Sorry Suzi, It was me having two much in my head at the time. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question At 16:16 22/03/2006, you wrote: Hi, I get a little confused now. The cover book picture, shows 3 girls. First girl carries grapes in her right hand, second girl has pears and the little girl a doll. Bjarne The picture asked for was inside, and only in black and white. That is the description you gave, but someone posted the picture on the cover. I was simply clarifying the situation, and Alexandria now has a copy of the picture inside, which is the one you described in the first place. Suzi At 13:10 22/03/2006, you wrote: Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620 The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] New book on medieval braid
From another list I use Suzi -- ADVANCE NOTIFICATION Tak v Bowes Departed: A 15th Century Braiding Manual Examined by Elizabeth Benns and Gina Barrett Tak v bowes departed is an in-depth study of Article 4, British Library Manuscript Harley 2320. This treatise, which dates to the fifteenth century, gives instructions for making forty different braids of varying complexity. Braids such as these were used for a variety of purposes during the medieval period; lacing clothes, purse strings, decorative trim and seal tags. This book discusses the background of the original manuscript; who may have owned it, how it was made, and compares the spelling and language with other similar documents. Tak v bowes departed concludes with modern instructions to make each of the braids; original errors have been corrected and noted, and each braid is clearly illustrated for reference. The instructions are provided as both text and diagrams, and include a detailed overview of the technique of 'fingerloop braiding' for those new to this skill. For further information and to order your advance copy, visit http://www.takvbowes.co.ukhttp://www.takvbowes.co.uk ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 280
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Kahlara wrote: I haven't yet established an SCA name and will be wearing modern garband will have my sometimes reticent, sometimes talk your ear off fiance in tow. Don't take it personally if he stands to one side and glowers. Oh, good, a man. It's nice to get men in the room! Tell him that my father, husband, and father-in-law (all engineers) were surprised to find that they enjoyed my lectures because I explained the structural engineering aspects of clothing construction; they all said it was the first time they found sewing interesting. Although it was a little weird to be demonstrating the bust-supporting aspects of the fitted dress when you know your parents *and* your in-laws are in the audience (which happened a year or two ago, when I finally gave the series within driving distance of our hometown). Try telling your mom that you go on these weekend trips so that you can jump up and down on a stage while a roomful of paying customers stare at your bosom... --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] simplicity
I seem to recall queue or something similar used for the Chinese immigrants in California. Just my .02 lira, Betsy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicity * True true. Except there's no bag or cue [I can't remember or find anywhere the real spelling of cue when it refers to a pony tail] in the picture. It looks very 1820s. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
Okay, I can't stand it anymore. Where is this lecture? Is there a mailing list to get on for notices for things like this and the big conference somebody mentioned in Michigan? Kalamazoo, maybe? My husband will not thank you for this information, since I am truly getting addicted to this researching. He was resigned to the state of my workroom before, but now that it is starting to overflow into the front parlor I begin to see fear in his eyes. --- Nancy Millis-MacHaffie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:12 PM 3/21/2006 -0600, you wrote: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Cynthia J Ley wrote: Robin, we are so looking forward to your visit this weekend--it's all we've been talking about! :D Whoa. That's scary! :-D --R. This will make you really nervous Robin. :D I keep waking up thinking 3 more days! Serious question: Are you going to bring any copies of your book(s) for sale? Nancy MM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Someone posted a link to the cover picture, not the one inside that you had described for me. Suzi has sent me a scan of the page in question, so I have both images in my collection now. every bit of information that I can find about the dolls is really wonderful. Oh and to make this really historical costume related, these dolls in these images aren't fashion dolls. Fashion dolls didn't really come into common use until the mid-17th or later centuries. Everything I've found with dolls from the 16th and early 17th century show the doll matching it's owner, so an English girl's doll wears English styles, the German girl's doll wears German styles and the Spanish girl's doll wears Spanish styles. If anyone has something different I'd love to see it! alex On 3/22/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I get a little confused now. The cover book picture, shows 3 girls. First girl carries grapes in her right hand, second girl has pears and the little girl a doll. Bjarne The picture asked for was inside, and only in black and white. - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question At 13:10 22/03/2006, you wrote: Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620 The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) Alexandria, I can scan this for you if it would help? Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] simplicity
In a message dated 3/22/2006 2:15:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I seem to recall queue That's the word! No wonder I couldn't remember how to spell it...it has 3 different letters and 2 of them repeat in the same orderright after each other! :-P Yes, in school we called a man's 18th century wig with a pony tail a queue wigand the bag a queue bag. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
The lecture that Robin is discussing right now is in Oregon, not too far from Portland, as the crow flies. I'm carpooling with 2 others down from the Seattle-Tacoma area to attend. Hey, anyone else willing to have a Red H or something so that we can identify ourselves at the lecture? I know there were others at the Sewing and Stitchery Expo at the beginning of this month, and would have liked to have been able to meet you. Angharad/ Jonnalyhn Wolfcat ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
Are you implying we're Red herrings? :D Actually I'm a pike. Althea On Mar 22, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Angharad ver' Reynulf wrote: The lecture that Robin is discussing right now is in Oregon, not too far from Portland, as the crow flies. I'm carpooling with 2 others down from the Seattle-Tacoma area to attend. Hey, anyone else willing to have a Red H or something so that we can identify ourselves at the lecture? I know there were others at the Sewing and Stitchery Expo at the beginning of this month, and would have liked to have been able to meet you. Angharad/ Jonnalyhn Wolfcat ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things. William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New book on medieval braid
From another list I use Suzi COOL! Thanks for sharing :~ You people are so evil Diana ADVANCE NOTIFICATION Tak v Bowes Departed: A 15th Century Braiding Manual Examined by Elizabeth Benns and Gina Barrett Tak v bowes departed is an in-depth study of Article 4, British Library Manuscript Harley 2320. This treatise, which dates to the fifteenth century, gives instructions for making forty different braids of varying complexity. Braids such as these were used for a variety of purposes during the medieval period; lacing clothes, purse strings, decorative trim and seal tags. This book discusses the background of the original manuscript; who may have owned it, how it was made, and compares the spelling and language with other similar documents. Tak v bowes departed concludes with modern instructions to make each of the braids; original errors have been corrected and noted, and each braid is clearly illustrated for reference. The instructions are provided as both text and diagrams, and include a detailed overview of the technique of 'fingerloop braiding' for those new to this skill. For further information and to order your advance copy, visit http://www.takvbowes.co.ukhttp://www.takvbowes.co.uk ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer Become the change you want to see in the world. --Ghandi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, REBECCA BURCH wrote: Okay, I can't stand it anymore. Where is this lecture? Is there a mailing list to get on for notices for things like this and the big conference somebody mentioned in Michigan? Kalamazoo, maybe? OK, two different things here. Second question first. The International Congress on Medieval Studies is the world's largest interdisciplinary conference on the Middle Ages. Every May, thousands of scholars and students from around the world converge on Kalamazoo, Michigan for four days and nights of sessions and events devoted to medieval studies. This includes more than 500 sessions with an average of three paper presentations each, as well as meetings, receptions, concerts, book shopping, and more. Papers and session topics cover the full range of medieval studies, with strong emphases on literature (mostly English and other European languages), history (including political history, social history, economic history, etc.), art history, music, religion, and other traditional fields of study. Four of those 500-odd sessions are sponsored by DISTAFF, a group I organized with Gale Owen-Crocker for the sole purpose of sponsoring conference sessions on medieval dress and textiles. In addition, there are often other papers and even occasional sessions elsewhere on the Congress program that have a dress and textiles focus. This year I count eight such sessions total (including the four DISTAFF sessions) plus about a dozen individual papers scattered around other sessions. Kalamazoo is an academic conference, and geared to the academic researcher. It is not a re-enactment event. However, quite a few re-enactors who are interested in scholarly research in medieval studies do go there, with the understanding that they are there as students/scholars. The conference is hard to get to and expensive, but if this is up your alley, it is a heady and rewarding experience. Further information, including the full schedule of sessions, is at the Congress website, http://www.wmich.edu/medieval/congress/ . If you are interested in going, be aware that dorm space fills up FAST and may already be full. Preregistration ends April 15; cost at the door is slightly higher. Kalamazoo has a mailing list for sending the annual call for papers and registration materials. If you're specifically interested in costume sessions, you're welcome to e-mail me privately to get on the DISTAFF e-mail announcement list, and you'll get notices of what we're doing with our sessions both at Kalamazoo and the other major medieval conference in Leeds, England. I'll also be happy to answer questions about K'zoo via direct e-mail, but be warned I probably won't write you back till next week, since I'll be away lecturing this weekend. Which brings us to your other question. As a scholar of medieval dress and textiles, I do academic research and present my findings at conferences such as Kalamazoo. I'm not affiliated with a college or university, but occasionally I also am asked to do guest lectures. And sometimes I'm asked to speak for private groups, particularly the SCA and other costuming or re-enactment organizations. For these sorts of groups, I've taken a number of my scholarly presentations and adapted them for a re-enactor/costumer audience -- more information on construction, for instance. These are the lectures people on this list are talking about when they say they've heard me speak. Sometimes I give just one or two classes as an invited speaker at an SCA university event. Other times, a group brings me in to do a full day of lectures. That's what I'm doing this weekend in Portland, Oregon. The webpage about the event is here: http://www.ithra.antir.sca.org/idisplay.php?topic=classesit=5433 ...but I'm afraid it's sold out. I always announce my public appearances on this list. You can also write me privately and tell me where you're located, and I'll put you on my list of people to contact if I'm going to be speaking in your area. If your group wants to discuss to bringing me in, e-mail me directly. --Robin == Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1333 Life is just a bowl of queries. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Drawn Wire Thread
Fortuitous tripping upon this page pretty much clears up the question I asked recently about gold wire-wrapped embroidery thread: http://www.et-tu.com/soper-lane/access/gold.htm Incidentally, written by the same woman that wrote this upcoming book: http://takvbowes.et-tu.com/index.shtml (second posting of this link, I know, ignore it if it bores you.) Kathy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re:Mary QoS Inventory
what is a vaskene (long S by the way)? Hi Regina/Wanda, Long time no see, but I'll see you this weekend. My understanding is that a vasquine (or vasquina) would be a kirtle, skirt, or petticoat, (interchangeably!). So sayeth me and The Bob, amen. Best regards, Meagn (who will be there this weekend, and knew Robin when she was still in high school.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New book on medieval braid
At 20:11 22/03/2006, you wrote: From another list I use Suzi COOL! Thanks for sharing :~ You people are so evil Who me? Never. She has made a woven silk medieval belt for me, so I am delighted to advertise her book. Suzi Diana ADVANCE NOTIFICATION Tak v Bowes Departed: A 15th Century Braiding Manual Examined by Elizabeth Benns and Gina Barrett Tak v bowes departed is an in-depth study of Article 4, British Library Manuscript Harley 2320. This treatise, which dates to the fifteenth century, gives instructions for making forty different braids of varying complexity. Braids such as these were used for a variety of purposes during the medieval period; lacing clothes, purse strings, decorative trim and seal tags. This book discusses the background of the original manuscript; who may have owned it, how it was made, and compares the spelling and language with other similar documents. Tak v bowes departed concludes with modern instructions to make each of the braids; original errors have been corrected and noted, and each braid is clearly illustrated for reference. The instructions are provided as both text and diagrams, and include a detailed overview of the technique of 'fingerloop braiding' for those new to this skill. For further information and to order your advance copy, visit http://www.takvbowes.co.ukhttp://www.takvbowes.co.uk ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer Become the change you want to see in the world. --Ghandi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
the big conference somebody mentioned in Michigan? Kalamazoo, maybe? Here is the link to the Medieval Congress in Kalamazoo http://www.wmich.edu/medieval/congress/ . This is a major event for medieval scholars from around the world that takes place every year in early May. An organization called DISTAFF (founded in part by Robin) has actively worked for several years to give medieval costuming research a presence there. You will find the full list of sessions on the web site but a couple of the interesting ones are: Old Clothes, New Tools I: Computer-Related Tools for the Study of Dress and Clothing Culture Dress and Textiles IV: Headwear Personal Effects: What They Carried and What They Wore Dress and Textiles I: Weaving and Spinning and several more costume ones and a great many non-costume ones depending on what other interests you have. There are also dozens of booksellers. Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Costume Society Journal, No.7 U.K. version
If anyone has a copy of the Costume Society Journal number 7, with the pattern of the boy's 18th century suit, please could you contact me - I can't find mine, and I need the pattern slightly urgently!! (Or at least some information from the pattern.) Suzi, panicking slightly! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] re:Mary QoS Inventory
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meagn (who will be there this weekend, and knew Robin when she was still in high school.) Ohmygoodness -- I've known only one person who spells her name that way! Yes, Meagn knew me when I was a ditzy teenager. And hasn't seen me for more than a quarter of a century. Oh, I'm looking forward to this weekend. I don't think I've ever had an audience where I've known this many people. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list (at the lecture in Portland)
The lecture that Robin is discussing right now is in Oregon, not too far from Portland, as the crow flies. I'm carpooling with 2 others down from the Seattle-Tacoma area to attend. Hey, anyone else willing to have a Red H or something so that we can identify ourselves at the lecture? I know there were others at the Sewing and Stitchery Expo at the beginning of this month, and would have liked to have been able to meet you. I'll be coming down from Seattle for the lecture as well, but am spending the rest of the weekend at a gaming con. I think that a red H is a good idea - I'd just have to find time to make one :-) Susan Paraventur Angharad/ Jonnalyhn Wolfcat ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
Hey, anyone else willing to have a Red H or something so that we can identify ourselves at the lecture? We did this a couple years back at a Costume Society of America meeting. I brought a red Sharpie marker with me and it was easy for list members to write a red H on their name badges. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
Well, we can't be holograms, or the class wouldn't be sold out! *grin* Angharad/ Jonnalyhn Wolfcat (who will resist the urge to place the H on her forehead) - Original Message From: Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:01:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: this list Are you implying we're Red herrings? :D Actually I'm a pike. Althea ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
Hey, anyone else willing to have a Red H or something so that we can identify ourselves at the lecture? I know there were others at the Sewing and Stitchery Expo at the beginning of this month, and would have liked to have been able to meet you. Angharad/ Jonnalyhn Wolfcat Regina's cooking up something in that regard ;) Arlys ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: Costume Society Journal
My back issues don't go back that far, but they have a full set in our college library and I'll be there tomorrow - I'll take a copy of it and the associated info, so if you still need it by tomorrow night, I'll be able to help. Kate From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Costume Society Journal, No.7 U.K. version To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed If anyone has a copy of the Costume Society Journal number 7, with the pattern of the boy's 18th century suit, please could you contact me - I can't find mine, and I need the pattern slightly urgently!! (Or at least some information from the pattern.) Suzi, panicking slightly! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Kalamazoo conference
Robin Netherton wrote: Kalamazoo is an academic conference, and geared to the academic researcher. It is not a re-enactment event. However, quite a few re-enactors who are interested in scholarly research in medieval studies do go there, with the understanding that they are there as students/scholars. The conference is hard to get to and expensive, but if this is up your alley, it is a heady and rewarding experience. The $125 registration fee is not that expensive. I know I've paid quite a bit more than that to go to some conferences in other fields of study. It's a bit daunting to pay for the hotel room and travel expenses, but really, it's not as bad as all that, especially if you partner with someone else for the hotel room. And if I was in Kalamazoo or within a few hours of there that weekend, I'd go. Just looking through the list of sessions, I'd have a hard time deciding which sessions to attend, but I'd go. The Old Clothes, New Tools sessions are rather enticing, but there are a host of others I'd love to attend also. Roger ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Tudor costumes for dummies? Help for a theatrical group
Right, my question/dilemma is this: There is a very nice theatrical amateur dramatics group in my new Scottish hometown near Edinburgh, called the Linithgow Players. In the summer months they do plays dressed in Tudor costume at Linlithgow Palace, the birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. They set place at the Court of James V and act out scenes with Mary, all for Historic Scotland (very similar to the National Trust or English Heritage). Anywya, that said, the costumes are.. ermm... uhm... not so very good, to be kind. I offered, because I just moved here on my own three weeks ago (my partner's still serving and staioned 500 miles away *sniff*) and would like to get stuck in with costumes and people and to have something nice to do, to help with their costumes. That's all very well, but, while I know a hellofa lot about clothing 1660 - 1715 I know next to nothing about Tudor costumes. HELP! I am ordering Ninya's book, but as Teddy said rightly, this is a theatrical group, we don't need to nor want to make it authentic (they wouldn't even have the budget for that) but to make it look GOOD and make it look better than it is now. Bless them, some costumes are quite nice, but others, I think, we could definitely do something about that and I would love to help and get the needle going (and spend some time in the pub with company ;-) This is their photo page: http://www.linlithgowplayers.org.uk/LPsite/PhotosRe-enactments.htm Don't let yourself be fooled by the reenactment bit, I don't think they got the terminology quite right. It's definitely acting, not re-enacting and we would see it. :-) Anyway, I don't know where to start, I feel lost in a jungle of Too Much Information. Can anyone, please pleae please point me into the right direction of where to start getting a really good feel for Tudor period costumes and, most importantly, which patterns could be adapted (I have Margo Anderson's Lady's wardrobe and Man's wardrobe) and if I can even use some commercial big companies patterns, because those are usually quite easy. Any and all help appreciated, I'd love it if I could help them get the look a bit more right and at the same time do it on a tiny (!!!) budget and a shoestring with only four hands to help (another lady's and mine - and I'm actually overworked at my new work anyway thus haven't got 'that' much time). Thanks ever so much in advance, I really am drowning in websites, books, info, and just don't know where to start and where to go to for a theatrical good looking budget version (it has to be court costume) of Tudor costume. Nicole If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] re:Mary QoS Inventory
Meagn (who will be there this weekend, and knew Robin when she was still in high school.) Ohmygoodness -- I've known only one person who spells her name that way! Yes, Meagn knew me when I was a ditzy teenager. And hasn't seen me for more than a quarter of a century. Oh, I'm looking forward to this weekend. I don't think I've ever had an audience where I've known this many people. --Robin One in the same. You were no ditzier than any of us, then! Keep in mind I was in a rather turbulent phase of my early 20s at the time. I admit to more than a bit of passing envy (the good sort) for what you've been able to do with clothing history; my own work has been limited by personal circumstances. I'm looking forward to the lecture - I know you'll be swamped there, but you'll get a smile from me. I understand you look no different now than you did then, too! Meagn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Kalamazoo conference
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, rwfranz wrote: The $125 registration fee is not that expensive. I know I've paid quite a bit more than that to go to some conferences in other fields of study. It's a bit daunting to pay for the hotel room and travel expenses, but really, it's not as bad as all that, especially if you partner with someone else for the hotel room. For those who don't mind spartan accommodations, the dorms are cheap and have the advantage of being smack in the middle of the action. If you have very good fortune, you get a dorm room in the same building that houses the book rooms, a sprawling orgy of medieval delights. And if I was in Kalamazoo or within a few hours of there that weekend, I'd go. Just looking through the list of sessions, I'd have a hard time deciding which sessions to attend, but I'd go. The Old Clothes, New Tools sessions are rather enticing, but there are a host of others I'd love to attend also. Beth McMahon, the organizer of the OCNT sessions, is a sometime member of this list and a DISTAFF member (and past speaker) from way back. We are both very happy that the Institute granted our request not to cross-schedule her sessions with the DISTAFF track! --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Book on Lace Question
On 3/21/06, Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have posted the majority of my image collection on the Yahoo group Miniature Costumers Guild in the photo section under Alexandria - 16th C Doll art For those that wanted to see the images from the lace book I've posted the new image, of James 1 family and the cover painting, GLarkin to this group, the doll art photo. Thanks for all the help from everyone in indentifying and locating copies of these two painting. Alexandria ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Tudor costumes for dummies? Help for a theatrical group
Historic costume for the Stage by Lucy Barton, is a great place to start. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicole Kipar Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Tudor costumes for dummies? Help for a theatrical group Right, my question/dilemma is this: There is a very nice theatrical amateur dramatics group in my new Scottish hometown near Edinburgh, called the Linithgow Players. In the summer months they do plays dressed in Tudor costume at Linlithgow Palace, the birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. They set place at the Court of James V and act out scenes with Mary, all for Historic Scotland (very similar to the National Trust or English Heritage). Anywya, that said, the costumes are.. ermm... uhm... not so very good, to be kind. I offered, because I just moved here on my own three weeks ago (my partner's still serving and staioned 500 miles away *sniff*) and would like to get stuck in with costumes and people and to have something nice to do, to help with their costumes. That's all very well, but, while I know a hellofa lot about clothing 1660 - 1715 I know next to nothing about Tudor costumes. HELP! I am ordering Ninya's book, but as Teddy said rightly, this is a theatrical group, we don't need to nor want to make it authentic (they wouldn't even have the budget for that) but to make it look GOOD and make it look better than it is now. Bless them, some costumes are quite nice, but others, I think, we could definitely do something about that and I would love to help and get the needle going (and spend some time in the pub with company ;-) This is their photo page: http://www.linlithgowplayers.org.uk/LPsite/PhotosRe-enactments.htm Don't let yourself be fooled by the reenactment bit, I don't think they got the terminology quite right. It's definitely acting, not re-enacting and we would see it. :-) Anyway, I don't know where to start, I feel lost in a jungle of Too Much Information. Can anyone, please pleae please point me into the right direction of where to start getting a really good feel for Tudor period costumes and, most importantly, which patterns could be adapted (I have Margo Anderson's Lady's wardrobe and Man's wardrobe) and if I can even use some commercial big companies patterns, because those are usually quite easy. Any and all help appreciated, I'd love it if I could help them get the look a bit more right and at the same time do it on a tiny (!!!) budget and a shoestring with only four hands to help (another lady's and mine - and I'm actually overworked at my new work anyway thus haven't got 'that' much time). Thanks ever so much in advance, I really am drowning in websites, books, info, and just don't know where to start and where to go to for a theatrical good looking budget version (it has to be court costume) of Tudor costume. Nicole If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE:Address?
How do I get to that site, please? If I go to Yahoo.com, and put in miniature costumers guild, I don't get it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Book on Lace Question On 3/21/06, Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have posted the majority of my image collection on the Yahoo group Miniature Costumers Guild in the photo section under Alexandria - 16th C Doll art For those that wanted to see the images from the lace book I've posted the new image, of James 1 family and the cover painting, GLarkin to this group, the doll art photo. Thanks for all the help from everyone in indentifying and locating copies of these two painting. Alexandria ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
dolls -- mini costume guild (was Re: [h-cost] RE:Address?
Quoting Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How do I get to that site, please? If I go to Yahoo.com, and put in miniature costumers guild, I don't get it. I don't think that this has been answered yet, but it's http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mini_costume_guild Susan Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] houpelande fabric?
What would be a good fabric to use to make a houpelande? Is taffeta too stiff to use? This would be for a man's, thigh length and perhaps bag or wing type sleeves. Thanks for your input, in advance. Lyonet (delurking for a moment) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
You sure did when I flew to Boise to see you! --Sue - Original Message - From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: this list On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Nancy Millis-MacHaffie wrote: This will make you really nervous Robin. :D I keep waking up thinking 3 more days! Oh, gee. I hope I live up to expectations! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Again on the Portland lectures
When I looked yesterday they were sold out ... but there appear to have been some cancellations. Three spaces showing right now. I don't know if there's a waiting list already, but if you missed out and want to go, now is the time to check with the event planners. Info here: http://www.ithra.antir.sca.org/idisplay.php?topic=classesit=5433 --Robin packing frantically ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] NESAT IV
I telephoned David Brown Book Company, the American affiliate of Oxbow Books, to find out whether they could get any more copies of NESAT IV, which they had been advertising on their website about a year ago. I was told that they still had 3 copies. So I ordered one. However, that leaves two other copies. I mention this in case anyone on this list has been looking for this increasingly hard-to-find work. The price is about $66 USD. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish. --General Fillmore (from The Tick, episode 2) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] houpelande fabric?
Do not overlook the upholstery/drapery section of your fabric store- Heavier weights, but good/large patterns, and reasonably flowy drape -just avoid the ones with the rubber/vinyl backing! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mischele1 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:53 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] houpelande fabric? What would be a good fabric to use to make a houpelande? Is taffeta too stiff to use? This would be for a man's, thigh length and perhaps bag or wing type sleeves. Thanks for your input, in advance. Lyonet (delurking for a moment) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
